Ivan Juric

[Farmer Saint]

23 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Yup . It’s just totally bizarre that you would play one proper centre back .. and then you  have the two man midfield with only one of them being anything close to defensive ..  absolutely dumb 

4231 is such a blatant obvious system for us but no one plays it 

Didn't we play that under Martin last season though? And we conceded 60+ goals in the Championship with the same defenders.

[saintant]

5 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

What you mean is why cant the manager actually do something that get results isn't it? We've flip flopped between various different people trying different things over the last 5 managers and nobody actually wants that either it seems. 

Thought that was obviously what I mean.

[captainchris]

16 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Didn't we play that under Martin last season though? And we conceded 60+ goals in the Championship with the same defenders.

Errrrrrr no

[Farmer Saint]

7 minutes ago, captainchris said:

Errrrrrr no

Odd, I though we pretty much played the following when we didn't have the ball?

KWP - Beds - THB - Manning

Smallbone - Downes

Armstrong - Aribo - Fraser

Adams

[trousers]

Ok. Time's up. The guy is a certified nutter. Early request for a normal manager next please. 

[Lighthouse]

I think some of you misunderstand, Ivan Juric transcends football. Think of this experience as a sort of ironic kitsch, you don’t have to ‘get it’ as such, just appreciate it for what it is.

[bugenhagen]

What a waster
What a fucking waster

[manji]

8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I think some of you misunderstand, Ivan Juric transcends football. Think of this experience it it as a sort of ironic kitsch, you don’t have to ‘get it’ as such, just appreciate it for what it is.

Brilliant answer . Can’t change it just go with it . It’s like being a soldier loads of crap with good bits. Maybe I’m exaggerating things but you are in WW1 you don’t knock  it on the head because you’ve only advanced half a mile before you get pushed back again. 

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, manji said:

Brilliant answer . Can’t change it just go with it . It’s like being a soldier loads of crap with good bits. Maybe I’m exaggerating things but you are in WW1 you don’t knock  it on the head because you’ve only advanced half a mile before you get pushed back again. 

A more accurate WWI analogy would be General Juric marching his troops across no man’s land dressed as Egyptian pharaohs, because the enemy sentries will be on the look out for people in army uniforms.

[Greenridge]

It’s like the good ‘ol’ days of Burley and Puell team tombola selection.

[SaintTex]

On 23/02/2025 at 12:26, SaintTex said:

a trio of ABK, Bree, and Aribo at CB gave up 4 goals? Shocking.

......well probably the least shocking thing i have every heard. Yet we have a manager that thought that could work.

you got a Championship RB, a middling midfielder, and a one true CB who hasn't seen the pitch in 2 years. What could do wrong? I mean, do they even know each other?

 

....and then our manager started these three at the back again.

 

you know, at my work place, we have this thing called "Lessons Learned" where we meet to discuss errors made on past projects so we don't repeat them on future ones.

pretty evident no one is learning any lessons at this club.

 

 

 

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Edited Tuesday at 22:01 by SaintTex

[aintforever]

Only Sports Republic could make Saints the worst team in Premier League history, then sack the manager and appoint someone who makes us worse.

[Osvaldorama]

Sack the cunt immediately 

 

Utterly shocking manager. 
Couldn’t pick worse line ups if he was doing it to deliberately throw games 

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

1 minute ago, Osvaldorama said:

Sack the cunt immediately 

 

Utterly shocking manager. 
Couldn’t pick worse line ups if he was doing it to deliberately throw games 

Sacking him is moot.

We're down.

Every manager SportsRepublic have appointed has been worse than the one they just sacked. Incredibly.

They have been an unmitigated disaster for us.

[Osvaldorama]

He’s made us even worse than under Martin. This is beyond appalling.
 

He can’t stay 

[Mr Saints]

Any chance he gets binned today/tomorrow? 🙏 

[trousers]

I always felt we should've appointed a caretaker manager when Martin's doomed reign came to an end. Lallana, Rusk, whoever. Was the most logical approach given we were all but relegated anyway. Another SR cock-up to appoint a full-time manager, and one that appears equally out-of-his-depth as Martin to boot. 

Edited Tuesday at 21:54 by trousers

[LGTL]

41 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Only Sports Republic could make Saints the worst team in Premier League history, then sack the manager and appoint someone who makes us worse.

Just about sums it up. 

[tdmickey3]

Sports Republic completely culpable for this continuing shambolic shit show, awful player recruitment and absolute joke managerial appointments.

Nothing will change until they are gone.

A long time at lower level beckons until they go

[The Kraken]

6 minutes ago, trousers said:

I always felt we should've appointed a caretaker manager when Martin's doomed reign came to an end. Lallana, Rusk, whoever. Was the most logical approach given we were all but relegated anyway. Another SR cock-up to appoint a full-time manager, and one that appears equally out-of-his-depth as Martin to boot. 

Tbf the club did the next best thing and appointed someone in a very short term contract. When we appointed Selles it was pretty much “well it’s February and we’re down, let put a cheapo in place and plan for next season”. Juric was appointed before Christmas so a bit more chance to turn some things around. Sadly he’s proving himself wildly inferior to Ruben Selles, and he certainly doesn’t have the boyish good looks or stylish roll necks to give him a +1 in the fashion department.

Heavy metal football my arse. This guy is just a massive lead weight.

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

Juric, you clueless wanker. If you've got anything about you then you'll walk into St. Mary's tomorrow morning and put your notice on the desk. I only say this because the board haven't got the bollocks to sack you. 

In the short time you've been at the club you've shown nothing to make anyone think that you capable of managing this team. You've upset the players to the point that they've had to draft in the U-21 manager to try and patch things up and act as a mediator.  

Just fuck off. 

 

[tdmickey3]

Just now, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

Juric, you clueless wanker. If you've got anything about you then you'll walk into St. Mary's tomorrow morning and put your notice on the desk. I only say this because the board haven't got the bollocks to sack you. 

In the short time you've been at the club you've shown nothing to make anyone think that you capable of managing this team. You've upset the players to the point that they've had to draft in the U-21 manager to try and patch things up and act as a mediator.  

Just fuck off. 

 

Upset the players Ffs, you need to calm down, the players are equally culpable 

[The Realist]

Adam Blackmore like Juric and wants him to stay on as our manager next season.  Weird.  Yes he puts himself in front of the press and answers difficult questions. Thats it, otherwise, clueless. Has made the team worse.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 minutes ago, The Realist said:

Adam Blackmore like Juric and wants him to stay on as our manager next season.  Weird.  Yes he puts himself in front of the press and answers difficult questions. Thats it, otherwise, clueless. Has made the team worse.

 

Meanwhile Blackmore continues work on his Grounds of League 1 podcast he's planning for 26/27. 🙂

[Wade Garrett]

3 minutes ago, The Realist said:

Adam Blackmore like Juric and wants him to stay on as our manager next season.  Weird.  Yes he puts himself in front of the press and answers difficult questions. Thats it, otherwise, clueless. Has made the team worse.

 

Blackmore is the ultimate lickspittle.  Absolute joke of a journalist.

[Saint Fen]

Juric has to go, get rid of him after a hammering from Liverpool.

Edited Tuesday at 22:38 by Saint Fen

[Saint Fen]

12 minutes ago, The Realist said:

Adam Blackmore like Juric and wants him to stay on as our manager next season.  Weird.  Yes he puts himself in front of the press and answers difficult questions. Thats it, otherwise, clueless. Has made the team worse.

 

Doesn’t Adam Blackmore loose credibility as a boardcaster doing this with no basis apart from history on a manager who has a record in Italy but none in England. I like Adam but think this is totally wrong.

I’ve been watching since the 90s and the best manager I’ve seen is Koeman, tactically better than everyone however Porch improved players so is the best coach.

Juric has done nothing to show he deserves anymore time. Tactics won’t work in premiership but it’s not going to work in the Championship either. 

Edited Tuesday at 22:39 by Saint Fen

[Saint NL]

Most consistent manager and team in the league 

[Pamplemousse]

I'd get Rusk in tbh. We just need a new manager bounce to get 1 more win ffs.

[Winnersaint]

He’s been about as effective as Felix Magath at Fulham

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

17 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Upset the players Ffs, you need to calm down, the players are equally culpable 

What do you expect? If you were a player and you had to go to work every day knowing that Ivan Juric was going to be there, what would you do? You'd switch off. 

His appointment did nothing for the players. Imagine knowing you were going to get a new manager at work and then coming in to find him there - A relatively unknown Croatian with a bad reputation for man management. His appointment shows no inspiration. He hasn't brought the group closer together, he's divided it further. 

He has to go. The damage he's doing is going to impact the club for years. 

Saints won't be in a position to compete in The Championship next season. Do you think Shea Charles and Ronnie Edwardd will want to come back to this when they're both very settled elsewhere and playing good football. 

The job of a manager is to motivate the players. You can't expect them to perform if they're being led by a clown. 

[Saint Fen]

Juric is clueless, head down. Looking away in interview looks awkward. Let’s gets rid as he hasn’t got anything right. Let’s be fair and put this guy out of his misery. 3 lucky points against Ipswich that’s it. Tactically ridiculous.

Edited Tuesday at 22:49 by Saint Fen

[Lighthouse]

29 conceded in 10 games, which extrapolated over a 38 game season would be 110. The current worst in Premier League history is Swindon with 91.

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

29 conceded in 10 games, which extrapolated over a 38 game season would be 110. The current worst in Premier League history is Swindon with 91.

Sheffield United conceded 104 last season.

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

Sheffield United conceded 104 last season.

Ah fair point, the article I found must have been a year or two old.

[Harry_SFC]

19 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

I'd get Rusk in tbh. We just need a new manager bounce to get 1 more win ffs.

I like how Rusk changed his game plan in the Liverpool cup game to suit the situation. Started with a 5 at the back, wasn't working so changed it at half time and we very nearly came back and got the equaliser. Haven't seen that from Martin or Juric. 

[Fabrice29]

On 16/12/2024 at 16:18, CanadaSaint said:

I don’t want to overplay this, but opening the door and pushing Russ out actually creates a kind of transfer window by letting some fresh air in.

There are some decent players in our bloated squad (not great but decent) who haven’t had a sniff under Martin because they aren’t the conformists he demands. There are others who have been in and out of the side, or asked to play unfamiliar roles, due to his constant chopping and changing. And most of the squad have been cowed into submission and have seen their self-confidence, performance and reputation plummet. They know they’re being required to do things they’re not capable of doing at this level, and “playing scared” has triggered some negative body language that has been apparent for weeks. All those players can ‘improve’ with Russ’s departure.

Something else could make a big difference. I’ve long felt that Russ had a loyalist inside the dressing room who made sure that everyone toed his line. This suppressed the squad feedback that Russ desperately needed to hear. We’ve seen his reaction to anyone who dares to question his tactics, so I can understand why nobody “inside the room” would speak up.

We won’t automatically become a mid-table side with all those negative dynamics removed, but I think we’ll start seeing much more positive energy from both players and supporters.

It’ll hopefully be a good example of addition by subtraction.

The above post had such hope and summed up the mood on here that one person was such a big problem that was weighing everyone else down. The anger and disappointment was so focused on the manager at the time that anyone suggesting that it might not all be one persons fault was shouted down and scoffed at if they even suggested that changing the manager wouldn’t really change anything other than piss off the players. Maybe if you’re angry at the manager just check if you were one of the few that laughed at the below post just a few months ago.

On 05/12/2024 at 08:20, Fabrice29 said:

 

There’s not a chance the new guy gets patience after losing games on a regular basis for 4-5 months which will include mistakes from players similar to the ones made now and games where we look toothless in attack and games in which we get hammered. It’s not happening unless like Sheffield United you appoint someone with already a lot of good standing at the club. And that only happens if said person is so desperate to come back because of failings elsewhere. But anyway, you can all believe you’ll be super patient and great super fans if you like. I’ll just bring all your posts up again like I did last season when you all said we wouldn’t be promoted.  
 

Any new manager should be appointed with the aim of salvaging this season, which is possible, although would be helped by having players defend properly, pass the ball properly and a decent goal scoring option in January (which I’d rather spend any compensation money on personally).

 

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

I like how Rusk changed his game plan in the Liverpool cup game to suit the situation. Started with a 5 at the back, wasn't working so changed it at half time and we very nearly came back and got the equaliser. Haven't seen that from Martin or Juric. 

Saw us play quite well against a better Liverpool just one month prior to that under Martin though. 

[Harry_SFC]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

Saw us play quite well against a better Liverpool just one month prior to that under Martin though. 

Well yes but my point was more that he actually tried something different to influence a game. Something Martin was incapable of.

[FarehamSaintJames]

Two things:

Russell Martin got more out of these players and arguably had them playing better football than Ivan Juric.

Nathan Jones wasn’t even as bad as Juric. At least Jones you could understand the formation he was playing and he put round pegs in round holes etc.

[SNSUN]

If it's not working, don't keep doing it. Juric has shown no flexibility with this god awful 3 CB formation. Two games running we've played one CB alongside a RB and an AM. Both games we've been spanked 4 nil.  For that crime alone, he needs to go. 

I don't like 3 CBs. I never have, it removes an attacking player or midfielder and replaces them with another defender. Against bigger clubs maybe that's fine. It would also be acceptable if we actually played 3 of our actual CBs in that formation. But we aren't, we are sticking to this formation and shoe Horning players into it. There's no flexibility there. To start today with 3 CBs on the bench and Bree and Aribo in the back 3 is just mind blowing.

Liverpool will murder us unless something miraculous happens.

[ally_uk]

Who the f##k appointed this Twonk 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Fabrice29]

10 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Well yes but my point was more that he actually tried something different to influence a game. Something Martin was incapable of.

Except that’s not true. There was a very good post on here somewhere a day or so ago explaining all the things we’ve tried doing differently. What you actually mean is why didn’t we defend on the edge of the box and try to luck out with a draw which is all well and good but in the very example you’ve given we lost by exactly the same way we did when Martin applied his different method. 

[Fabrice29]

Honestly can’t stress enough how utterly deluded you are if you are talking about tactics or different combinations of players as if they will make a difference and it’s so incredibly obvious to everyone except the manager. Take Joe Aribo for example, we’ve been in the PL 2 seasons and he came here as an attacking midfielder and is now playing at the back. If you think we haven’t tried every single combination in between you are seriously deluded.

The ‘try something different and be adaptable ’ brigade need to reign it in too. People like to be romantic about RH’s time here so let’s remember that he was pretty stubborn/steadfast/arrogant whatever you want to call it in how he wanted to play. He created a play book ffs. And guess what, it was fairly successful. Until obviously when we got relegated and we flipped between 3 managers. Only then getting success again when we went back to an arrogant/stubborn manager who was pretty unwavering in his desire to do certain things. It’s almost as if having a plan, a long term goal is a good thing and not just flipping between potentially 3 different ways of playing again like we might this season. We 100% should have doubled down on a style, even if everyone was adamant Martin had to go we should have continued to stick with that way. OR if we really did think changing the style was the answer then we should be doubling down on that again now. Drumming it into players that this is how it’s going to be so they will need to get on board. Setting out a plan. I’m pretty sure that’s what the technical directors job and message will be, to drum that home, so just like when everyone hated the previous manager, now is the time to stay true to the long term plan, not jump to Rusk again so we can play a different way for a few weeks for no real benefit. But, my biggest issue with SR is it seems pretty eager to play to the crowd when things go shit so I would not be shocked to see them do exactly that again.

Edited Tuesday at 23:33 by Fabrice29

[Forester]

1 hour ago, Saint Fen said:

Doesn’t Adam Blackmore loose credibility as a boardcaster doing this with no basis apart from history on a manager who has a record in Italy but none in England. I like Adam but think this is totally wrong.

I’ve been watching since the 90s and the best manager I’ve seen is Koeman, tactically better than everyone however Porch improved players so is the best coach.

Juric has done nothing to show he deserves anymore time. Tactics won’t work in premiership but it’s not going to work in the Championship either. 

As someone who payed to watch tonight I am as pissed off as everyone else.  And I agree with your Koeman and Poch choices.  However…….….…..I firmly believe we would have been relegated this season with either of them at the helm.  Just think back to the players they had (and the careers some had away from Saints):

Poch had Clyne, Fonte, Shaw, Wanyama, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Jay Rod (pre injury), Lambert, Davis.  
 

Koeman had Bertrand, VVD, Alderweirald, Romeu, Davis, Tadic, Pelle and Mane

The gulf in quality is literally incredible

[Mixedkebab]

55 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

What do you expect? If you were a player and you had to go to work every day knowing that Ivan Juric was going to be there, what would you do? You'd switch off. 

His appointment did nothing for the players. Imagine knowing you were going to get a new manager at work and then coming in to find him there - A relatively unknown Croatian with a bad reputation for man management. His appointment shows no inspiration. He hasn't brought the group closer together, he's divided it further. 

He has to go. The damage he's doing is going to impact the club for years. 

Saints won't be in a position to compete in The Championship next season. Do you think Shea Charles and Ronnie Edwardd will want to come back to this when they're both very settled elsewhere and playing good football. 

The job of a manager is to motivate the players. You can't expect them to perform if they're being led by a clown. 

The keeper, KWP and Fernandes generally put a good shift in. Bednarek and THB also even though they are sub standard players. The rest have downed tools while getting paid a fucking fortune. Yeah the manager is wank but what a load of bollocks about them being upset 😂 

Doing the basics like running, tackling and attempting to win is the minimum these weaselly little  fucks should be doing for their wages 

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

2 hours ago, Greenridge said:

It’s like the good ‘ol’ days of Burley and Puell team tombola selection.

Dear God.

By comparison to our last FOUR managers under this racket, Puel was pure Man City Pep Guardiola football.

[Mboto Gorge]

2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Sports Republic completely culpable for this continuing shambolic shit show, awful player recruitment and absolute joke managerial appointments.

Nothing will change until they are gone.

A long time at lower level beckons until they go

Exactly this. We get people like MLG  insisting that we should wait and see how Spors gets on before giving SR any grief. Fuck that, I’ve seen enough to know how this will go. 3 years of some of the worst running of a football club anywhere in Europe, with over 90% of decisions a complete disaster. They can fuck right off. They’d be getting absolutely run out of town at most other clubs by now. They’re very lucky we are such a passive fanbase on the whole but I think even our fanbase is on the verge of collectively giving them both barrels now

Edited Wednesday at 00:09 by Mboto Gorge

[Saint Keef]

2 hours ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Exactly this. We get people like MLG  insisting that we should wait and see how Spors gets on before giving SR any grief. Fuck that, I’ve seen enough to know how this will go. 3 years of some of the worst running of a football club anywhere in Europe, with over 90% of decisions a complete disaster. They can fuck right off. They’d be getting absolutely run out of town at most other clubs by now. They’re very lucky we are such a passive fanbase on the whole but I think even our fanbase is on the verge of collectively giving them both barrels now

PASSIVE? PASSIVE? How can you say that? I am on the verge of writing an extremely strongly worded letter to SR......or maybe I'll leave it a couple of weeks and see how things pan out.

[Saint Fen]

7 hours ago, Forester said:

As someone who payed to watch tonight I am as pissed off as everyone else.  And I agree with your Koeman and Poch choices.  However…….….…..I firmly believe we would have been relegated this season with either of them at the helm.  Just think back to the players they had (and the careers some had away from Saints):

Poch had Clyne, Fonte, Shaw, Wanyama, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Jay Rod (pre injury), Lambert, Davis.  
 

Koeman had Bertrand, VVD, Alderweirald, Romeu, Davis, Tadic, Pelle and Mane

The gulf in quality is literally incredible

I completely agree with you, no one would keep this team up but other managers would do a better job and be more competitive. We are not even competing in games now.

Tactically the worst I’ve seen so open. We’ve had some bad managers but this guy is the worst.