Ivan Juric

[chivvy]

1 hour ago, 2Morrow said:

Answering for them , as we have now:

Ramsdale

KWP THB Bednarek Welington 

Ugochukwu downes

Dibling fernandes sulemana

Onuachu

If Dibling off form switch sulemana to the right have archer coming in from the left.  Every one can see it apart from the managers 

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

Blah, blah, blah. Dress it up how you like. The reality is that Juric is a clueless prick. We're worse under him that with Martin and that's saying something. 

The board had an oportunit to go out and get a manager who had managed in the Prem and they went and got Juric. 

SR are a bunch of c***s and they've destroyed the club. Next season will be just as big a disater as this one. 

[CB Fry]

48 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

The board had an oportunit to go out and get a manager who had managed in the Prem and they went and got Juric. 

Not entirely sure who you think this "Premier League experienced manager" was going to be, but the main point is we were already relegated by the time the club got round to sacking dogshit Martin and no one any good was going to take the job.

 

[Farmer Saint]

15 hours ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

Blah, blah, blah. Dress it up how you like. The reality is that Juric is a clueless prick. We're worse under him that with Martin and that's saying something. 

The board had an oportunit to go out and get a manager who had managed in the Prem and they went and got Juric. 

SR are a bunch of c***s and they've destroyed the club. Next season will be just as big a disater as this one. 

Which PL manager? We're all ears.

Edited Monday at 12:09 by Farmer Saint

[AlexLaw76]

I hope to god he is not our manager next season 

[Harry_SFC]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Which PL manager? Were all ears.

People saying why didn't we go for Moyes, Potter etc. Maybe because they wouldn't touch the job with a bargepole? Even Juric was stupid for taking it - any reputation he had is dwindling away. 

[Wade Garrett]

24 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

People saying why didn't we go for Moyes, Potter etc. Maybe because they wouldn't touch the job with a bargepole? Even Juric was stupid for taking it - any reputation he had is dwindling away. 

He didn’t have much of a reputation really, but he’s found a bunch of mugs to pay him top dollar for 18 months.

Edited Monday at 09:47 by Wade Garrett

[leesaint88]

43 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

People saying why didn't we go for Moyes, Potter etc. Maybe because they wouldn't touch the job with a bargepole? Even Juric was stupid for taking it - any reputation he had is dwindling away. 

The usual from the moon shouters. Any credible manager could see the squad wasn't good enough straight away and any potential lower league manager will wait until the summer when they know the current state of affairs. 

Rusk set us up against Fulham in a negative way which got a result, i'd always argue that he should of got the job till the end of the season over Juric. 

[Mr X]

Saints fans have been through so much shit with SR and soo many disterous decisions that if they want to try and turn around the rot and build a bit of good faith with the supporters again they need to admit just how badly wrong they have got managerial appointments!

take stock of things learn from the mistakes and get the advice from an actual director of football with an experienced football background in recruitment instead of taking wild punts on candidates with questionable records to begin with.

I know we aren't  going to attract world beaters but we can do a lot better than we have done

Somehow I don't think SR are bothered about getting supporters onside or they would have done so long ago!

We are doomed to the same continuous cycle of terrible decisions!

Would It be better all around for a change of ownership?

Edited Monday at 10:36 by Mr X

[gio1saints]

Juric does have a bit of a problem on his hands convincing this bunch of players to actually play in his style after 18 mths of another style being drilled into them until it was automatic. 
 

Neither does he have the benefit of having a bunch of super fit athletic fighters in his team able to execute his style either. Technical ability aside this squad do not look as fit as anyone we’ve played so far this season - Swansea excepted. 
 

 So I get the feeling he’s becoming increasingly irrelevant in players eyes, especially those who are going to move at season end ( which is at least half the entire squad- a team-full at least). Those that play are playing to get attention for themselves and that it, so it’s not a team anymore. He won’t win this season so they can try put themselves in shop window. 

To cap it all we no longer have any sense of spirit or on pitch leadership either. Downes was never a particularly vocal captain, Jack Stephen’s has impressive 😄aggression but not so good self control but Jan is positively mute whilst Adam never is fit enough to get on the pitch for all his talking when he’s on- and poor old Aaron is having canary fits at the rabble in front of him when he’s got the armband. I personally would appreciate THB given the armband and giving out on pitch bollockings to players not working hard rather than the current silence. 
 

People maybe are upset nobody “fights”for the shirt anymore. It’s been this for many many years. When a players kisses the badge he’s 99% kissing his bank balance and social media following0.91% he’s pretending it’s the missus and 0.01 actually doing it for the club and the fans. The only ones with loyalty are US. 
 

Saints used to be able to avoid relegation by sheer guts tenacity (and an MLT.) We don’t have gut s we don’t have tenacity and our version of MLT ( TD) is still too young to take on that responsibility it seems. 
 

Next season is massive project reset. 

Edited Monday at 10:51 by gio1saints

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

People saying why didn't we go for Moyes, Potter etc. Maybe because they wouldn't touch the job with a bargepole? Even Juric was stupid for taking it - any reputation he had is dwindling away. 

We approached both in October, and both said "F off, not interested".

[Lighthouse]

4 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Which PL manager? Were all ears.

I don’t think Lineker is interested in management jobs.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

We approached both in October, and both said "F off, not interested".

It wouldn’t surprise me and Moyes pretty much said as much in his interview before taking the Everton role again. Didn’t specifically mention Saints but talked about avoiding relegation battles. 

[gio1saints]

Juric was a hard to criticise prospect given the cards SR had. He has /had credibility due to the Torino spell, he was/is known for a more proactive pressing aggressive and direct football- which many fans were calling for , and he was both relatively cheap ( compared to some unlikely names touted) AND available AND amenable to an 18mth gig on what was obviously a sinking ship. He was also not obviously an ex top player fancying himself as a manager - a la Neville, Gerrard, our very own RM and, notoriously, Wayne Rooney. A foreign coach from a country famous for defensive ability, which seems a la mode, and can speak fair English, no, well he ticked pretty much every box. 
 

Perhaps a fair criticism would be that his spell at Roma was a total disaster. Fans hated him, players hated him, even the press blamed him. All my Italian friends expressed regret for me as a Saints fan on the news of his recruitment!
 

Saints players are not Roma players but I guess some fancy themselves as top “ballers “ so running hard and man for man marking is not for them - it’s for dinosaurs and donkeys. Cue rude awakening and the dysfunctional shit we are watching every week from our team. 
 

I don’t blame SR for picking him and I don’t blame Juric even if it seems he has been a failure so far. But I do blame a lack of energy effort from many of the squad, and that’s v upsetting. One example : BK has been fit enough to be in the bench last half dozen games. Yet when he came on it was obvious to me he was breathing out of his arse after ten minutes. Team is basically UNFIT! 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Saw this online. Apologies if it’s been posted on another thread, because quite frankly it could have been put on about 6 different ones, 

Don’t know who wrote it, but he’s 100% spot on and it’s Ivan’s job to sort the fuckers out. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

So in the press conference he’s now saying he’s not sure he does wanna change and is still gonna play three at the back 😒. That’s pretty much him done then he’s not gonna change just like russ .. why is it so hard to just get a manager who can be flexible and isn’t wedded to one system ?

[Football Special]

2 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

So in the press conference he’s now saying he’s not sure he does wanna change and is still gonna play three at the back 😒. That’s pretty much him done then he’s not gonna change just like russ .. why is it so hard to just get a manager who can be flexible and isn’t wedded to one system ?

I struggle with the mentality, "I did something once in a different place with different people which worked well and because of that I'm going to keep trying the same thing here with new people. I know my system is right so if it doesn't work it must be everyone else's fault" 

Feels like we're stuck on a loop with these "systems" continually failing again and again. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

23 minutes ago, Football Special said:

I struggle with the mentality, "I did something once in a different place with different people which worked well and because of that I'm going to keep trying the same thing here with new people. I know my system is right so if it doesn't work it must be everyone else's fault" 

Feels like we're stuck on a loop with these "systems" continually failing again and again. 

Yup . It’s just totally bizarre that you would play one proper centre back .. and then you  have the two man midfield with only one of them being anything close to defensive ..  absolutely dumb 

4231 is such a blatant obvious system for us but no one plays it 

[Dusic]

25 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Feels like we're stuck on a loop with these "systems" continually failing again and again. 

Its actually more of an issue that

a.) Our recruitment track record the last 6 or 7 years is poor, and

b.) we keep changing the "systems" and therefore have players who are not suited to what the current manager wants, e.g having no left footed CB for a manager who exclusively plays with 3 CBs.

Recruitment is at the core of the reason we have been so poor the last two PL seasons and the 5 permanent managers we have had in that time have all wanted different things. Recipe for disaster.

 

[Gloucester Saint]

4 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Its actually more of an issue that

a.) Our recruitment track record the last 6 or 7 years is poor, and

b.) we keep changing the "systems" and therefore have players who are not suited to what the current manager wants, e.g having no left footed CB for a manager who exclusively plays with 3 CBs.

Recruitment is at the core of the reason we have been so poor the last two PL seasons and the 5 permanent managers we have had in that time have all wanted different things. Recipe for disaster.

 

It was summed up by the Mark Bowen video where Les suggested buying Jannik Vestergaard. Both Mark Hughes and him said ‘no Les, come on, he might be very tall but he can’t run, no good in the PL’. They come back off holiday and find that Reed had signed him anyway! 

Les was poor without a big name manager with him, and Rasmus far worse again. Ralph had to feed off all of scraps and off cuts in the transfer market under Gao. 

[Football Special]

9 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Its actually more of an issue that

a.) Our recruitment track record the last 6 or 7 years is poor, and

b.) we keep changing the "systems" and therefore have players who are not suited to what the current manager wants, e.g having no left footed CB for a manager who exclusively plays with 3 CBs.

Recruitment is at the core of the reason we have been so poor the last two PL seasons and the 5 permanent managers we have had in that time have all wanted different things. Recipe for disaster.

 

Yep and in that time we've not had anyone sticking around for consistency, had Joe Shields and Jason Wilcox and the whole Man City academy recruitment policy 

[pimpin4rizeal]

42 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Its actually more of an issue that

a.) Our recruitment track record the last 6 or 7 years is poor, and

b.) we keep changing the "systems" and therefore have players who are not suited to what the current manager wants, e.g having no left footed CB for a manager who exclusively plays with 3 CBs.

Recruitment is at the core of the reason we have been so poor the last two PL seasons and the 5 permanent managers we have had in that time have all wanted different things. Recipe for disaster.

 

My problem with B is if you just wed yourself to one continuous system over a long period it becomes predictable and other sides can figure you out eventually .. for me I’d rather we just get someone who is tactically flexible . This sticking to one system shit is getting really tiresome now we should be aiming to be able to adapt to other teams and ideas when it’s not working 

[LGTL]

5 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Saw this online. Apologies if it’s been posted on another thread, because quite frankly it could have been put on about 6 different ones, 

Don’t know who wrote it, but he’s 100% spot on and it’s Ivan’s job to sort the fuckers out. 

 

Daniel Storey wrote it I think, he’s very good.

The line that stands out for me is ‘everybody seems to act as if ugly football is beneath them’. He’s spot on, the arrogance that exudes from this football club is shambolic considering where we find ourselves. 

[Forester]

10 hours ago, leesaint88 said:

The usual from the moon shouters. Any credible manager could see the squad wasn't good enough straight away and any potential lower league manager will wait until the summer when they know the current state of affairs. 

Rusk set us up against Fulham in a negative way which got a result, i'd always argue that he should have got the job till the end of the season over Juric. 

Fairly or unfairly, there would have been wild complaints on here if Rusk had have been given the job at the time.  This feels like 20/20 hindsight 

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

11 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Daniel Storey wrote it I think, he’s very good.

The line that stands out for me is ‘everybody seems to act as if ugly football is beneath them’. He’s spot on, the arrogance that exudes from this football club is shambolic considering where we find ourselves. 

He's pretty scathing of Ipswich too - although, of course, even they ain't quite as abject as our sorry shower of shit.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/ipswich-town-quietly-getting-away-appalling-season-3551123

I see the first date we can get relegated if all the stars align is, very appropriately, April the first...

[Chez]

31 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

My problem with B is if you just wed yourself to one continuous system over a long period it becomes predictable and other sides can figure you out eventually .. for me I’d rather we just get someone who is tactically flexible . This sticking to one system shit is getting really tiresome now we should be aiming to be able to adapt to other teams and ideas when it’s not working 

I used to get a bit annoyed at Ralph for changing the formation 5 times in one half as I felt he was confusing the players a little, but now we pick the same formation and never deviate from it during the entire game. Is Juric worried his players might be confused, because to be frank, I am not sure we'd fucking notice.

[Dusic]

No issue with flexibility but you certainly need some overarching principles. Both Iraola and Frank play slightly different shapes but regardless the type of players they need are the same despite that.

Same with Pep who often switches between 3 and 4 CBs but the overall style remains.

We have shifted from pressing to long ball to men behind the ball to extreme possession to man-to man...no wonder the squad is a bit of a mess.

We need to stick with something for longer than 6 months and back it up with 3 or 4 windows in a row of decent recruitment, get better at managing contracts, selling assets rather than losing them for free and somehow get fans engaged again (I like many are as unbothered as I have ever been about games now).

Over to Spors. Massive job on his hands.

[Saint Fan CaM]

The Chelsea presser was embarrassing to watch. Juric is defeated and has no way forward - that’s why he’s falling back on the only method/system he’s got in his kit bag.

[Saint_clark]

Maybe i've got battered wife syndrome but I still feel there's something in Juric as manager. But, I fully expect him to be gone in the summer and a Championship manager brought in again. 

[leesaint88]

12 hours ago, Forester said:

Fairly or unfairly, there would have been wild complaints on here if Rusk had have been given the job at the time.  This feels like 20/20 hindsight 

Totally agree and that's partly down to a large part of the support still believing we're a 'top 10' club.

Certainly there needs to be a dose of realism to where we are as a club and to be honest the next managerial appointment will probably reflect this, personally I can't see Rohl joining us as I have a sneaky suspicion that he'll head back to Germany this summer. Which leaves a very small list of anyone reasonably suitable and to be honest if Cooper wanted the gig I'd give it to him. 

[S-Clarke]

Just now, leesaint88 said:

Totally agree and that's partly down to a large part of the support still believing we're a 'top 10' club.

Certainly there needs to be a dose of realism to where we are as a club and to be honest the next managerial appointment will probably reflect this, personally I can't see Rohl joining us as I have a sneaky suspicion that he'll head back to Germany this summer. Which leaves a very small list of anyone reasonably suitable and to be honest if Cooper wanted the gig I'd give it to him. 

If we do decide to switch 'again', I'd like our next appointment to be someone our fan base would look at as a no brainer - relative to the level we're at. I don't want any stupid gambles on unknown coaches or up and coming assistant managers from other clubs. I just feel we need someone all fans can agree on from the start, someone aligned with a 'project' (i hate that term though).

Will that happen? Probably not. Going by SR's record up to now, they love to go for left field.

[hypochondriac]

Please can we just have a manager that is flexible and not wedded to one particular style. Ideally it be that can make a neutral assessment of our players and then devise a system that is most suitable for them? 

[Whitey Grandad]

11 hours ago, Chez said:

I used to get a bit annoyed at Ralph for changing the formation 5 times in one half as I felt he was confusing the players a little, but now we pick the same formation and never deviate from it during the entire game. Is Juric worried his players might be confused, because to be frank, I am not sure we'd fucking notice.

I’m not even sure that we have a formation.

[leesaint88]

6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

If we do decide to switch 'again', I'd like our next appointment to be someone our fan base would look at as a no brainer - relative to the level we're at. I don't want any stupid gambles on unknown coaches or up and coming assistant managers from other clubs. I just feel we need someone all fans can agree on from the start, someone aligned with a 'project' (i hate that term though).

Will that happen? Probably not. Going by SR's record up to now, they love to go for left field.

I dunno, for some reason I think SR will try and play it safe this summer. Which why I think they'll sound out someone like Cooper for the job especially as there isn't any compensation needed, but even then I can't see the appointment being particularly welcomed by all elements of the support.  

Edited Tuesday at 09:13 by leesaint88

[Gooderz]

23 hours ago, leesaint88 said:

The usual from the moon shouters. Any credible manager could see the squad wasn't good enough straight away and any potential lower league manager will wait until the summer when they know the current state of affairs. 

Rusk set us up against Fulham in a negative way which got a result, i'd always argue that he should of got the job till the end of the season over Juric. 

abso fucking lutely! be tough to beat at least . . surely with the shit that they've got to work with you would try to stop conceding ! we can.all moan.that we ,re not getting any shots on target but it would be better getting some nil Nils than getting thumped every week 

[beatlesaint]

I kind of wanted this guy to suceed. I thought his no nonsense approach might make a few of these players man up a bit. I realised it wouldn't be an overnight fix BUT some of his decisions with line ups and subs, some of his tactics, some of the things he says (I knew the players before I got here.....err you effin didnt mate). I wanted him to have a full pre-season, to bring his own style of players into the club and to see what happens next season.....

 

With every passing game I'm wanting this less and less to the point where I'm really past caring but I do think we need a clean sweep and start again cos this is just complete shite ! 

Edited Tuesday at 10:20 by beatlesaint

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Please can we just have a manager that is flexible and not wedded to one particular style. Ideally it be that can make a neutral assessment of our players and then devise a system that is most suitable for them? 

The problem here is the assumption that there is a solution that would stop us being shit, we could play 3 styles for the remaining games and be equally crap, at least with 1 there is another assumption that the players would improve playing that style the more familar they are.

I think in Ivan's case he is the little boy with the finger in the dyke, he's trying to stop the flood but he can't hold back the flood of shitness that is our squad.  They can't play posession game well and now we are finding they cant play Ivans way well.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Convict Colony said:

The problem here is the assumption that there is a solution that would stop us being shit, we could play 3 styles for the remaining games and be equally crap, at least with 1 there is another assumption that the players would improve playing that style the more familar they are.

I think in Ivan's case he is the little boy with the finger in the dyke, he's trying to stop the flood but he can't hold back the flood of shitness that is our squad.  They can't play posession game well and now we are finding they cant play Ivans way well.

I don't think there is a solution to stop us being shit. I'm merely saying that had we had some more flexibility from the start of the season we would likely have been less shit. 

[saintant]

10 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Maybe i've got battered wife syndrome but I still feel there's something in Juric as manager. But, I fully expect him to be gone in the summer and a Championship manager brought in again. 

I thought he'd do well and wanted him to succeed but he has been unable to even slow down our headlong hurtle into oblivion as a completely hopeless team in terms of fitness, tactics, effort and performance. Another manager welded to one system that is clearly not working. Why is it so difficult for us to appoint a manager who is adaptable and willing to try different things.

Edited Tuesday at 12:49 by saintant

[Chez]

He's bound to change it tonight, but not sure it will make any difference, what with all the injuries, Les being unavailable (not that he was any good on Saturday) and the side looking totally beaten and devoid of confidence.

[Fabrice29]

56 minutes ago, saintant said:

I thought he'd do well and wanted him to succeed but he has been unable to even slow down our headlong hurtle into oblivion as a completely hopeless team in terms of fitness, tactics, effort and performance. Another manager welded to one system that is clearly not working. Why is it so difficult for us to appoint a manager who is adaptable and willing to try different things.

What you mean is why cant the manager actually do something that get results isn't it? We've flip flopped between various different people trying different things over the last 5 managers and nobody actually wants that either it seems. 

[Sunglasses Ron]

What I don't get is how unsuccessful he's been at keeping us tighter defensively.

We've conceded 24 goals in 9 league games since he took over, which is absolutely mental.

Surely the first job was to make us hard to beat and build from there?

We could probably have surpassed Derby's 11 points just with some scrappy draws or sneaky 1-0s, but right now we look like getting absolutely battered every game. 

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

He's bound to change it tonight, but not sure it will make any difference, what with all the injuries, Les being unavailable (not that he was any good on Saturday) and the side looking totally beaten and devoid of confidence.

I reckon he will give up on the man marking and return to zonal and maybe make 1 of the wingback sit in when the other goes, aside from that i cant really think of anything else cos he is playing 3 CBs still.

Will be interesting, hopefully the team news tells us more.

[S-Clarke]

1 hour ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

What I don't get is how unsuccessful he's been at keeping us tighter defensively.

We've conceded 24 goals in 9 league games since he took over, which is absolutely mental.

Surely the first job was to make us hard to beat and build from there?

We could probably have surpassed Derby's 11 points just with some scrappy draws or sneaky 1-0s, but right now we look like getting absolutely battered every game. 

What I have noticed with the 'press' approach is that guys like Airbo, THB/Bednarek and the full backs push high, if they miss the tackle then we are wide open. Some of the aspects of the Brighton and Brentford games reminded me of our suicidal high line we played under Ralph, at the start of the season 4 or 5 years ago. We also have zero midfield cover now, the only player offering us an ounce of physicality is Lesley.

We don't have the legs or the pace to recover and it's really exposing the limitations of players such as Bree, THB, Bednarek and such. I think it should be the job of a manager to make the players feel comfortable in their own skin, understanding their limitations and not asking them to do things they simply can't do. I get that a manager will play around a bit during his first few weeks, but surely by now he should realise that Aribo and Bree are not central defenders.

I fail to believe that Lutons 11 last season was better than our team this year, but first and foremost the players their manager had available were playing in roles which suited their attributes.

Edited Tuesday at 15:46 by S-Clarke

[Toussaint]

42 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

I reckon he will give up 

Fixed it!

[Harry_SFC]

33 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

What I have noticed with the 'press' approach is that guys like Airbo, THB/Bednarek and the full backs push high, if they miss the tackle then we are wide open. Some of the aspects of the Brighton and Brentford games reminded me of our suicidal high line we played under Ralph, at the start of the season 4 or 5 years ago. We also have zero midfield cover now, the only player offering us an ounce of physicality is Lesley.

We don't have the legs or the pace to recover and it's really exposing the limitations of players such as Bree, THB, Bednarek and such. I think it should be the job of a manager to make the players feel comfortable in their own skin, understanding their limitations and not asking them to do things they simply can't do. I get that a manager will play around a bit during his first few weeks, but surely by now he should realise that Aribo and Bree are not central defenders.

I fail to believe that Lutons 11 last season was better than our team this year, but first and foremost the players their manager had available were playing in roles which suited their attributes.

I still think our best approach this season would've been to really focus on our defensive shape, keep the middle of the pitch tight and make teams play around us, aiming to hit teams on the break. Ok we don't have the fastest side on the world but Archer and Sulemena are pretty quick. 

[Green]

37 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Some of the aspects of the Brighton and Brentford games reminded me of our suicidal high line we played under Ralph, at the start of the season 4 or 5 years ago.

Yes, I thought that, it reminded me of that game against Spurs during lockdown. Pathetic defending when we just don’t seem to learn. That’s one of the most frustrating things about Juric because he must be able to see what we can and surely he could try something to combat that.

[Toadhall Saint]

57 minutes ago, Green said:

Yes, I thought that, it reminded me of that game against Spurs during lockdown. Pathetic defending when we just don’t seem to learn. That’s one of the most frustrating things about Juric because he must be able to see what we can and surely he could try something to combat that.

Nah it’s all the fault of the players - not capable of taking his tactics on board (mind you he does tell them in mandarin).

[Maggie May]

The players don’t want to play for him. Hopefully he’ll go tonight.

[Gloucester Saint]

40 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

The players don’t want to play for him. Hopefully he’ll go tonight.

Judging by the rest of this season’s displays, capitulations and lack of running/organisation/being bothered, they clearly didn’t want to play for Russell either. Including his supposed best mate Flynn from TOWIE (or the only way is Suffolk)

Hopefully 95% of them find new homes during the summer because the thought of them still wearing SFC shirts next season is horrifying.

Edited Tuesday at 18:14 by Gloucester Saint