Fitzhugh Fella Posted February 23 Posted February 23 12 hours ago, Maggie May said: This is an absolute fact. The Spurs fiasco has obviously slipped from your mind. One of the reasons we have been so bad recently is Martin's appalling legacy. I'm not saying Juric is the answer but he couldn't have inherited a bigger shit show. 17
Maggie May Posted February 23 Posted February 23 10 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said: The Spurs fiasco has obviously slipped from your mind. One of the reasons we have been so bad recently is Martin's appalling legacy. I'm not saying Juric is the answer but he couldn't have inherited a bigger shit show. We’ve played a lot worse than the Spurs game under Juric. In my opinion, there are too many on here shrouded by their dislike of Russell Martin as a person. There were more performances under Martin this season where we were still in games but dropped points to ridiculous individual errors. We look totally clueless under Juric. Where is the fight and the passion? The heavy home defeats to Brentford and Brighton have to be there with our worst defeats in decades. Definitely up there with both 9-0s under Ralph - and there are still people reminiscing they were the good old days. 8 1 4
Harry_SFC Posted February 23 Posted February 23 8 hours ago, woodsaint1 said: The cheek of him to throw in the 19 clean sheets from last season comment. Nobody cares, you're in a different league with a different team in different circumstances. Since hes come in we've conceded 25 in 9 PL games - nearly 3 per game and god knows what it'll be if he lasts the season. In fact, without Ramsdale, who knows what the numbers would look like. The players may not be be good enough to play his system, but this is a guy who prides himself on organisation and defensive solidity. Finding a quick fix to make us more solid is what I would have been hoping for. We could have then backed him in the summer with transfers to suit his system. But we're so far off being a competitive side and he just looks lost. This is the issue, he just hasn't adapted to the different style of football. Almost as if it was a total gamble appointing someone who has never managed in England. 4
S-Clarke Posted February 23 Posted February 23 6 hours ago, LoyalSaintSO50 said: Should have stuck with Russ as I’ve said repeatedly, blatantly obvious we’d be in a better situation going into next season if we had a bit of loyalty to the fella, but no, the launch it forward brigade, who’ve probably never played a game in their lives… our lefty historian etc and plenty on here, you know who you are. Most lads I meet and speak to in the ground are of the same opinion which gives me a bit of hope Let's just revisit the Martin tenure a second. We started the Championship season terribly and were bottom half, the writing was on the wall but he got us moving again during the middle third of the season - and we flirted with the automatic spots. In the final third of the season we were shit again, losing to Stoke, Cardiff, being thrashed by Leicester etc etc. We were one of the 'top 4' because our players relative to that league were good, and lots of last min wins kept us in there. Whilst we did get promoted, I didn't feel like we were ever a promotion looking side. We were caught out by teams like Huddersfield, couldn't keep clean sheets to save our life and let in 60 odd goals. The style Martin implemented caused us more problems than solutions and our quality on the pitch, relative to the level, had to dig us out of lots of holes. I appreciate that he got us promoted, but getting promoted under him playing the same way did give me nightmares - I'm not going to lie. I had a tiny bit of hope that maybe we'd recruit better players, he'd adapt and we'd improve, but we spent the summer chasing failed PL players and Martin's mates so we were no better off, but playing the same way in a league that's 10x stronger. We were always going to struggle. Martin's philosophy, of all the chatter about it, had failed - and we stuck with him for too long. My argument against replacing Martin at the time was that the same people were in charge, so whilst it needed to happen it probably won't lead to a good choice. And here we are today, with another left-field oddball choice to continue where we have been under SR. 26
Gloucester Saint Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 6 hours ago, LoyalSaintSO50 said: Should have stuck with Russ as I’ve said repeatedly, blatantly obvious we’d be in a better situation going into next season if we had a bit of loyalty to the fella, but no, the launch it forward brigade, who’ve probably never played a game in their lives… our lefty historian etc and plenty on here, you know who you are. Most lads I meet and speak to in the ground are of the same opinion which gives me a bit of hope What’s Duncan’s or anyone’s politics go to do with valid opinions on the team we follow? Why don’t you and you lads have a read of S-Clarke’s post above. You might learn something. Edited February 23 by Gloucester Saint 3
trousers Posted February 23 Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Let's just revisit the Martin tenure a second. We started the Championship season terribly and were bottom half, the writing was on the wall but he got us moving again during the middle third of the season - and we flirted with the automatic spots. In the final third of the season we were shit again, losing to Stoke, Cardiff, being thrashed by Leicester etc etc. We were one of the 'top 4' because our players relative to that league were good, and lots of last min wins kept us in there. Whilst we did get promoted, I didn't feel like we were ever a promotion looking side. We were caught out by teams like Huddersfield, couldn't keep clean sheets to save our life and let in 60 odd goals. The style Martin implemented caused us more problems than solutions and our quality on the pitch, relative to the level, had to dig us out of lots of holes. I appreciate that he got us promoted, but getting promoted under him playing the same way did give me nightmares - I'm not going to lie. I had a tiny bit of hope that maybe we'd recruit better players, he'd adapt and we'd improve, but we spent the summer chasing failed PL players and Martin's mates so we were no better off, but playing the same way in a league that's 10x stronger. We were always going to struggle. Martin's philosophy, of all the chatter about it, had failed - and we stuck with him for too long. My argument against replacing Martin at the time was that the same people were in charge, so whilst it needed to happen it probably won't lead to a good choice. And here we are today, with another left-field oddball choice to continue where we have been under SR. 1
Gloucester Saint Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Good article about how Pep’s possession-focused style stopped working a few months ago. Which of course is what Martin styles rigidly on. Put simply, we artexed all of the ceilings in 1989 or went to the barbers and asked for curtains https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c20l7lw3ypzo 1
S-Clarke Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: Good article about how Pep’s possession-focused style stopped working a few months ago. Which of course is what Martin styles rigidly on. Put simply, we artexed all of the ceilings in 1989 or went to the barbers and asked for curtains https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c20l7lw3ypzo I read that, I thought it was a good article. I'd put it down to another cause though. Their core players are getting older, and their recruitment for the replacement/evolving of their roles has been really really poor by them. I don't look at their side and see any future Rodri's or De Bryune's - they're recruiting 'good' players, but not who I believe will go on to be elite level. The jury is still out on their January signings, I don't really know much about them. Their midfield has been decimated with the absence of Rodri and De Bruyne through injury over the last year, and it's hard to emphasise how important a strong and reliable '6' is when trying to control football matches. If you lose that central structure in a tiki-taka style, then the walls around it crumble. I can't imagine Barca would have done as much without Busquets or Xavi. I don't think it's the end of 'passing football' per-say, I still believe if you have good enough players then you can probably play in any way. City just haven't been good enough in the transfer market under Pep. Edited February 23 by S-Clarke 4
Lord Duckhunter Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Lego’s position had become untenable, the atmosphere would have turned toxic by now had we kept him in charge. He made his position untenable by refusing to change and continually defending his ridiculous “project”. Week after week, there were articles from ex pros or managers criticising his tactics, co commentators & pundits all saying the same thing, yet Lego arrogantly ploughed on. No amount of rewriting history can change that. You got the felling he’d rather lose the “right way”, rather than compromise. He was done…. We’re not quite at that stage yet with Ivan. I haven’t heard much criticism from non Saints people of his tactics, but this is probably because nobody gives a fuck about us now. The key difference for me is it “appears” from his post match talk yesterday that the penny is dropping for him. We’re now at the “Bournemouth away” stage, when it was apparent to everyone bar Lego that tactical change was needed. It’s now apparent that the players we have aren’t suited to Ivan’s preferred system, is he going to Lego it and double down, or will he change and adapt? Given the right players, I prefer Ivan’s approach to Lego ball (it was pretty boring for long spells last year, and I find Man C in their prime pretty boring). But that’s not the point. The point is, what you do when you haven’t got the right players. We know what Lego did, let’s see what Ivan does. 13 1
LoyalSaintSO50 Posted Sunday at 11:44 Posted Sunday at 11:44 29 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: What’s Duncan’s or anyone’s politics go to do with valid opinions on the team we follow? Why don’t you and you lads have a read of S-Clarke’s post above. You might learn something. Yeah I’ve read it, I’ll send it to the lads lol S-Clarke talks a lot of sense on here to be fair. Agree with some of it, maybe picked out a few of our less successful defensive displays and worth remembering us managing to beat decent sides like West Brom twice before the playoffs, Leeds etc. Even defeats like Ipswich away we dominated Players were clearly right behind him and if we’d have got his signings in like delap and O’reily it could have been very different We’re now stuck with an absolute fruitcake and players have not a clue what they’re up to. As is said, that was always going to be the case if we got rid of Martin and thanks again to you and others that made that happen. Trying to be as polite as I can 1 2 1
Gloucester Saint Posted Sunday at 11:55 Posted Sunday at 11:55 (edited) 13 minutes ago, LoyalSaintSO50 said: Yeah I’ve read it, I’ll send it to the lads lol S-Clarke talks a lot of sense on here to be fair. Agree with some of it, maybe picked out a few of our less successful defensive displays and worth remembering us managing to beat decent sides like West Brom twice before the playoffs, Leeds etc. Even defeats like Ipswich away we dominated Players were clearly right behind him and if we’d have got his signings in like delap and O’reily it could have been very different We’re now stuck with an absolute fruitcake and players have not a clue what they’re up to. As is said, that was always going to be the case if we got rid of Martin and thanks again to you and others that made that happen. Trying to be as polite as I can The WBA and Leeds games by Martin’s own admission the ‘philosophy’ was banished, partly because of McCarthy replacing Bazanu and partly the wretched form before the Leeds away game. The play off final in his own words was ‘driven by emotion’ after the goal. I’m not suggesting Juric is any better it’s another left field pick from SR so the extent of the mess can’t be exposed by the limitations of Juric’s language but at the Chelsea and Spurs games under Martin we’d easily have conceded double figures if they hadn’t taken their foot off the gas/woodwork. The lack of any defensive organisation and structure was evident right across those defeats, the shambles at Bournemouth, and Juric’s heaviest defeats. And it correlates directly with conceding 64 goals last season. Edited Sunday at 11:57 by Gloucester Saint 3
Give it to Ron Posted Sunday at 11:57 Posted Sunday at 11:57 10 minutes ago, LoyalSaintSO50 said: Yeah I’ve read it, I’ll send it to the lads lol S-Clarke talks a lot of sense on here to be fair. Agree with some of it, maybe picked out a few of our less successful defensive displays and worth remembering us managing to beat decent sides like West Brom twice before the playoffs, Leeds etc. Even defeats like Ipswich away we dominated Players were clearly right behind him and if we’d have got his signings in like delap and O’reily it could have been very different We’re now stuck with an absolute fruitcake and players have not a clue what they’re up to. As is said, that was always going to be the case if we got rid of Martin and thanks again to you and others that made that happen. Trying to be as polite as I can Jeesh I thought your other post was nuts this one beats that - stuck with Martin and his 75% possession and 0 shots. No-one on here or any forum got Martin the sack the owner did it after watching him fail again versus Spurs. 2
trousers Posted Sunday at 12:01 Posted Sunday at 12:01 2 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said: Jeesh I thought your other post was nuts this one beats that Hugely entertaining though. It's almost got a whiff of a certain Scottish city about it... 1
Fabrice29 Posted Sunday at 12:11 Posted Sunday at 12:11 12 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said: Jeesh I thought your other post was nuts this one beats that - stuck with Martin and his 75% possession and 0 shots. No-one on here or any forum got Martin the sack the owner did it after watching him fail again versus Spurs. We had more shots against Spurs than we did yesterday by the way. 2
BARCELONASAINT Posted Sunday at 12:20 Posted Sunday at 12:20 it is painfully clear to everyone we need a complete reset at the end of this season. 60/70% of our squad need to go, our recruitment has been a complete shit show. Juric is not the answer anymore than RM was. I don't know what i watched yesterday but it looked like 11 players that had never met each other until 5 minutes before kick off. The only player that came out of yesterdays performance with head held high was Ramsdale. 5
S-Clarke Posted Sunday at 12:51 Posted Sunday at 12:51 1 hour ago, LoyalSaintSO50 said: Yeah I’ve read it, I’ll send it to the lads lol S-Clarke talks a lot of sense on here to be fair. Agree with some of it, maybe picked out a few of our less successful defensive displays and worth remembering us managing to beat decent sides like West Brom twice before the playoffs, Leeds etc. Even defeats like Ipswich away we dominated Players were clearly right behind him and if we’d have got his signings in like delap and O’reily it could have been very different We’re now stuck with an absolute fruitcake and players have not a clue what they’re up to. As is said, that was always going to be the case if we got rid of Martin and thanks again to you and others that made that happen. Trying to be as polite as I can You've picked out Ipswich as a game we dominated, but we lost it. In many ways that game highlighted the flaws of Martin's approach. Some good moments in the attacking third, but absolute nuts at the back - always giving teams a chance. That was the story of our season really, we vary rarley put teams to the sword - I can think of a handful of games at best. We gave everyone else we played a chance. We gave Huddersfield a two goal head start, we allowed Rotherham back into the game against us, we dominated a first half away at Swansea, went 3-0 up and managed to just about scrape a 3-1 from the second half. We got absolutley destroyed by Sunderland at their place, Leicester home and away. It wasn't as good a season as many try to make out. We were a bit of a oddball in how we approached games and saw them out, which is why I was really happy we got promoted but dreading how we'd cope with better teams. Alas, we haven't. 5
Lighthouse Posted Sunday at 13:04 Posted Sunday at 13:04 "A tactical change is needed." The tactics we've tried so far this season The weird U shape formation in a couple of the early fixtures No recognised striker at Bournemouth Passing patiently around the defence and retaining possession Four at the back against Spurs Getting it forward direct and early to Tall Paul Fullback tombola with KWP, Bree, Welington, Suga, Manning andTaylor being tried at various times as full backs, wing backs and outside CBs. Aribo dropping in at CB Surrendering the central midfield to allow for extra defenders Every combination of TP, Archer, Sully and AA up front, with none of them managing more than two goals. How many tactical changes are we going to try before people stop demanding tactical shanges? 2
saintwbu Posted Sunday at 13:14 Posted Sunday at 13:14 8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: "A tactical change is needed." The tactics we've tried so far this season The weird U shape formation in a couple of the early fixtures No recognised striker at Bournemouth Passing patiently around the defence and retaining possession Four at the back against Spurs Getting it forward direct and early to Tall Paul Fullback tombola with KWP, Bree, Welington, Suga, Manning andTaylor being tried at various times as full backs, wing backs and outside CBs. Aribo dropping in at CB Surrendering the central midfield to allow for extra defenders Every combination of TP, Archer, Sully and AA up front, with none of them managing more than two goals. How many tactical changes are we going to try before people stop demanding tactical shanges? Ironically almost all of those tactical changes came under the previous manager, who apparently wouldn’t change, whilst the current manager hasn’t moved away from this shite formation for a minute.
Whitey Grandad Posted Sunday at 13:30 Posted Sunday at 13:30 1 hour ago, LoyalSaintSO50 said: Yeah I’ve read it, I’ll send it to the lads lol S-Clarke talks a lot of sense on here to be fair. Agree with some of it, maybe picked out a few of our less successful defensive displays and worth remembering us managing to beat decent sides like West Brom twice before the playoffs, Leeds etc. Even defeats like Ipswich away we dominated Players were clearly right behind him and if we’d have got his signings in like delap and O’reily it could have been very different We’re now stuck with an absolute fruitcake and players have not a clue what they’re up to. As is said, that was always going to be the case if we got rid of Martin and thanks again to you and others that made that happen. Trying to be as polite as I can This is the fundamental problem with the possession-based approach. The intention is to dominate and not to conquer. Martin had more than a fair chance to see if he could manage in the Premier League and he failed. More than miserably. The fact that his replacement is also struggling and appears to be making things up as he goes along doesn’t mean that getting rid of Martin was the wrong thing to do. 7
Whitey Grandad Posted Sunday at 13:33 Posted Sunday at 13:33 1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said: We had more shots against Spurs than we did yesterday by the way. Yesterday’s shots were mostly blocked early and so don’t feature in the published figures. 1
Whitey Grandad Posted Sunday at 13:40 Posted Sunday at 13:40 2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said: Good article about how Pep’s possession-focused style stopped working a few months ago. Which of course is what Martin styles rigidly on. Put simply, we artexed all of the ceilings in 1989 or went to the barbers and asked for curtains https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c20l7lw3ypzo “Attacking quickly after a transition - when possession changes hands - is arguably overtaking Guardiola's philosophy at elite level, with emphasis increasingly placed on direct football that runs deliberately in contrast to possession and territory.” It’s also more entertaining to watch. It’s like the triumph of Blitzkrieg over static defences.
davefizzy14 Posted Sunday at 13:49 Posted Sunday at 13:49 Surely Jurić now has to have a complete rethink and go to a back four and put another DM in to at least try and make us more solid. 3
Wade Garrett Posted Sunday at 13:59 Posted Sunday at 13:59 9 hours ago, LoyalSaintSO50 said: Should have stuck with Russ as I’ve said repeatedly, blatantly obvious we’d be in a better situation going into next season if we had a bit of loyalty to the fella, but no, the launch it forward brigade, who’ve probably never played a game in their lives… our lefty historian etc and plenty on here, you know who you are. Most lads I meet and speak to in the ground are of the same opinion which gives me a bit of hope You’re talking to onions in the ground.
Osvaldorama Posted Sunday at 14:07 Posted Sunday at 14:07 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: "A tactical change is needed." The tactics we've tried so far this season The weird U shape formation in a couple of the early fixtures No recognised striker at Bournemouth Passing patiently around the defence and retaining possession Four at the back against Spurs Getting it forward direct and early to Tall Paul Fullback tombola with KWP, Bree, Welington, Suga, Manning andTaylor being tried at various times as full backs, wing backs and outside CBs. Aribo dropping in at CB Surrendering the central midfield to allow for extra defenders Every combination of TP, Archer, Sully and AA up front, with none of them managing more than two goals. How many tactical changes are we going to try before people stop demanding tactical shanges? We haven’t played our best 11 in their best positions a single time Its nearly March. I think if you ask fans their best 11 it would be fairly similar. And we haven’t played it once. 1
Give it to Ron Posted Sunday at 14:18 Posted Sunday at 14:18 (edited) 4 hours ago, Fabrice29 said: We had more shots against Spurs than we did yesterday by the Edited Sunday at 16:40 by Give it to Ron
Lord Duckhunter Posted Sunday at 14:42 Posted Sunday at 14:42 15 years ago someone like Fat Sam, Dyche or another “dinosaur”, would have come in after Lego. Paired Janny B & THB, played 2 full backs as full backs. Sat Downes & Big Les in front, with 2 from Dibling, Sully & MF wide, with Tall Paul & Archer up top. We’d have defended with 2 banks of 4, and been harder to beat. We”d probably have more points, but still be going down. The players would all know their roles because it was drummed into them and they would have grown up playing 4-4-fucking 2. Now the games been complicated so much, that managers don’t want to overcome deficiencies with graft and organisation. 10
Whitey Grandad Posted Sunday at 14:53 Posted Sunday at 14:53 10 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: 15 years ago someone like Fat Sam, Dyche or another “dinosaur”, would have come in after Lego. Paired Janny B & THB, played 2 full backs as full backs. Sat Downes & Big Les in front, with 2 from Dibling, Sully & MF wide, with Tall Paul & Archer up top. We’d have defended with 2 banks of 4, and been harder to beat. We”d probably have more points, but still be going down. The players would all know their roles because it was drummed into them and they would have grown up playing 4-4-fucking 2. Now the games been complicated so much, that managers don’t want to overcome deficiencies with graft and organisation. Indeed. All we needed was Mike Bassett.
Osvaldorama Posted Sunday at 15:41 Posted Sunday at 15:41 58 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: 15 years ago someone like Fat Sam, Dyche or another “dinosaur”, would have come in after Lego. Paired Janny B & THB, played 2 full backs as full backs. Sat Downes & Big Les in front, with 2 from Dibling, Sully & MF wide, with Tall Paul & Archer up top. We’d have defended with 2 banks of 4, and been harder to beat. We”d probably have more points, but still be going down. The players would all know their roles because it was drummed into them and they would have grown up playing 4-4-fucking 2. Now the games been complicated so much, that managers don’t want to overcome deficiencies with graft and organisation. Funny part is. We’d be doing much better if we’d have done that. As proven in Rusk’s games. He kept it simple. We looked more solid. Every game before and after has basically been a joke 1
Fabrice29 Posted Sunday at 15:53 Posted Sunday at 15:53 2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: Yesterday’s shots were mostly blocked early and so don’t feature in the published figures. Along with your recent post about not believing in XG like it's a conspiracy theory, I slightly worry you actually believe this. 1
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted Sunday at 16:08 Posted Sunday at 16:08 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: 15 years ago someone like Fat Sam, Dyche or another “dinosaur”, would have come in after Lego. Paired Janny B & THB, played 2 full backs as full backs. Sat Downes & Big Les in front, with 2 from Dibling, Sully & MF wide, with Tall Paul & Archer up top. We’d have defended with 2 banks of 4, and been harder to beat. Agreed and we don't need superstars to do it so why doesn't Juric at least try it? This man-for-man marking can be done for corners but yesterday you saw ABK being pulled totally out of position leaving a massive gap at the back. At Ipswich, it was Bednerek being pulled out of position leaving Delap to power through. Learn by mistakes Mr Juric.
Dr Who? Posted Sunday at 16:08 Posted Sunday at 16:08 Sack the bloody lot of them. The club is rotten from the top down. Rotten to the core. We need to put pressure on the board, hopefully find a buyer, get shot of this useless manager and shift out the deadwood of talentless players who which most have their heads so far up their own arses they cannot hear the music playing. I am fed up of players who are not playing for the shirt because they do not give a shit about the club, and in turn the paying supporters. Just about had enough. It also causes friction in the fan base at games. I don’t give a shit about in here because most of you lot would argue over the colour of the sky!
Whitey Grandad Posted Sunday at 16:09 Posted Sunday at 16:09 13 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: Along with your recent post about not believing in XG like it's a conspiracy theory, I slightly worry you actually believe this. Then I suggest that you look at the criteria regarding ‘shots on goal’. You might even be surprised. “Furthermore, blocked shots by other players also do not register as shots on target, unless that person is the last man in the defence.”
Lighthouse Posted Sunday at 16:28 Posted Sunday at 16:28 Dyche is not the answer and would not make us hard to beat. Both Burnley and Everton have seen massive improvement after they sacked him. 1
Ken Tone Posted Sunday at 16:35 Posted Sunday at 16:35 Regardless of whether Juric's tactics are right or not, I find it hard to understand his team selection . If he wanted 3/5 at the back he could have started yesterday with a defence of KWP, Stephens, Bednarek, ABK and Welington. Instead he picked 2 players who are not centre backs. Also he could have recalled Charles and kept Edwards to give himself more options in defence.
Fabrice29 Posted Sunday at 16:41 Posted Sunday at 16:41 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Then I suggest that you look at the criteria regarding ‘shots on goal’. You might even be surprised. “Furthermore, blocked shots by other players also do not register as shots on target, unless that person is the last man in the defence.” It's lovely you've provided the definition of shots on target but its not really relevant to the point Give it Ron was making about shots. And fwiw we had more shots, shots on target, shots off target and 1 less shot blocked in the Spurs game than yesterday. I'd argue we were defensively worse yesterday by any shot based definition you wish to talk about too but that goes against the "Martin is the worst ever and everything he did was terrible and we definitely will improve if Martin isn't in charge" narrative you seem to enjoy so much. Edited Sunday at 16:46 by Fabrice29 1
Lord Duckhunter Posted Sunday at 16:47 Posted Sunday at 16:47 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Dyche is not the answer and would not make us hard to beat. Both Burnley and Everton have seen massive improvement after they sacked him. You don’t half come out with some bollocks. How have Burnley got on in the premier league without him? He’s the only manager that’s kept Burnley up in nearly 50 years, and the first to take them to Europe for 50 years, yet in your warped world, they’ve somehow had a massive improvement since he left. 😂😂 They’ve been relegated every time they’ve been in the league since he left…..Some improvement 😂😂😂 Edited Sunday at 16:49 by Lord Duckhunter 1
Lighthouse Posted Sunday at 16:53 Posted Sunday at 16:53 3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: You don’t half come out with some bollocks. How have Burnley got on in the premier league without him? He’s the only manager that’s kept Burnley up in nearly 50 years, and the first to take them to Europe for 50 years, yet in your warped world, they’ve somehow had a massive improvement since he left. 😂😂 They’ve been relegated every time they’ve been in the league since he left….. He got them relegated, was sacked in April and his replacement immediately won the next three games, they were then promoted as Champions with 101 points the following season. Hope this helps (I notice you've ignored Everton's fortunes and how utterly dire they were to watch until Dyche was sacked).
Lord Duckhunter Posted Sunday at 17:17 Posted Sunday at 17:17 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: He got them relegated, was sacked in April and his replacement immediately won the next three games, they were then promoted as Champions with 101 points the following season. They were 18th when Dyche left and finished……18th, massive improvement 😂. (His first game was drawn by the way) They then got promoted first attempt, which is exactly what Dyche did previously, however post Dyche they were relegated the following season, a massive improvement on his 6 years of staying up and actually qualifying for Europe when he took them up 😂😂 It’s just not true that Burnley have seen “massive improvement” since Dyche left, it’s actually quite weird you think they have, not that this fact stops you posting it on numerous occasions. Your “massive improvement “ seems to be the fact that the caretaker manager won 1 more game from his 8 in charge than Dyche did in his last 8. Edited Sunday at 17:23 by Lord Duckhunter 1
Give it to Ron Posted Sunday at 17:26 Posted Sunday at 17:26 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: It's lovely you've provided the definition of shots on target but its not really relevant to the point Give it Ron was making about shots. And fwiw we had more shots, shots on target, shots off target and 1 less shot blocked in the Spurs game than yesterday. I'd argue we were defensively worse yesterday by any shot based definition you wish to talk about too but that goes against the "Martin is the worst ever and everything he did was terrible and we definitely will improve if Martin isn't in charge" narrative you seem to enjoy so much. Why did we sack the manager it was oh so good watching that game….fwiw I don’t think Martin is the worst ever. The blame is solely SR and our recruitment in the last 3 years. Juric isn’t the answer either but let’s see what happens in summer. Edited Sunday at 17:30 by Give it to Ron
CB Fry Posted Sunday at 17:31 Posted Sunday at 17:31 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: He got them relegated, was sacked in April and his replacement immediately won the next three games, they were then promoted as Champions with 101 points the following season. Hope this helps (I notice you've ignored Everton's fortunes and how utterly dire they were to watch until Dyche was sacked). Let us know how many seasons this new improved Burnley have ever finished in a higher position than Shaun Dyche got them to, which is seventh place. Burnley have, like, massively improved since those woeful days so it must be loads of times, right? Let's see if your godlike genius Russell Martin ever achieves that with any club ever in his career. Edited Sunday at 17:33 by CB Fry 1
Lighthouse Posted Sunday at 17:37 Posted Sunday at 17:37 13 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: They were 18th when Dyche left and finished……18th, massive improvement 😂. (His first game was drawn by the way) They then got promoted first attempt, which is exactly what Dyche did previously, however post Dyche they were relegated the following season, a massive improvement on his 6 years of staying up and actually qualifying for Europe when he took them up 😂😂 It’s just not true that Burnley have seen “massive improvement” since Dyche left, it’s actually quite weird you think they have, not that this fact stops you posting it on numerous occasions. Your “massive improvement “ seems to be the fact that the caretaker manager won 1 more game from his 8 in charge than Dyche did in his last 8. You can ignore Everton and post all the laughing emojis you want, it won’t change the facts. Burnley in 2021/22 Dyche - 24 points from 30 games - 0.8 points per game Caretaker manager Mike Jackson - 11 points from 8 games - 1.4 points per game Dyche was once a reasonable enough manager at Burnley. Now he’s yesterday’s man. He’s not the answer to our problems and he won’t come in and make us hard to beat playing ‘4-4-f**king 2’. 1
CB Fry Posted Sunday at 17:43 Posted Sunday at 17:43 2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: You can ignore Everton and post all the laughing emojis you want, it won’t change the facts. Burnley in 2021/22 Dyche - 24 points from 30 games - 0.8 points per game Caretaker manager Mike Jackson - 11 points from 8 games - 1.4 points per game Dyche was once a reasonable enough manager at Burnley. Now he’s yesterday’s man. He’s not the answer to our problems and he won’t come in and make us hard to beat playing ‘4-4-f**king 2’. All this is telling me is Mike Jackson absolutely pisses all over Russell Martin's pathetic record in the Premier League. 4 points in 16 0.25. Is that better or worse than shitty old useless Shaun Dyche? 2
SaintTex Posted Sunday at 18:26 Posted Sunday at 18:26 23 hours ago, Huffton said: Here's a radical idea. Play your fucking centre backs at centre back. Only saints could actually find someone worse than mad nate. Cunt. a trio of ABK, Bree, and Aribo at CB gave up 4 goals? Shocking. ......well probably the least shocking thing i have every heard. Yet we have a manager that thought that could work. you got a Championship RB, a middling midfielder, and a one true CB who hasn't seen the pitch in 2 years. What could do wrong? I mean, do they even know each other? 2
SaintTex Posted Sunday at 18:30 Posted Sunday at 18:30 4 hours ago, Osvaldorama said: We haven’t played our best 11 in their best positions a single time Its nearly March. I think if you ask fans their best 11 it would be fairly similar. And we haven’t played it once. i am sincerely curious.. what do you think our best 11 is?
Lord Duckhunter Posted Sunday at 18:51 Posted Sunday at 18:51 55 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Burnley in 2021/22 Dyche - 24 points from 30 games - 0.8 points per game Caretaker manager Mike Jackson - 11 points from 8 games - 1.4 points per game 😂😂😂😂 Manchester United 2018/19 Jose -26 points from 17 games- 1.5 points per game. Caretaker manager Ole Gunnar Solskjær 32 points from 13 games- 2.4 points per game. Manchester United have shown a “massive improvement “ since Jose left haven’t they😂😂😂😂
Lord Duckhunter Posted Sunday at 18:56 Posted Sunday at 18:56 1 hour ago, CB Fry said: All this is telling me is Mike Jackson absolutely pisses all over Russell Martin's pathetic record in the Premier League. 4 points in 16 0.25. Is that better or worse than shitty old useless Shaun Dyche? Don’t forget Vinny . Massive improvement on what came before. 100 points in the championship far greater achievement than actually staying in the premier league for 6 years and qualifying for Europe.
2Morrow Posted Sunday at 19:02 Posted Sunday at 19:02 30 minutes ago, SaintTex said: i am sincerely curious.. what do you think our best 11 is? Answering for them , as we have now: Ramsdale KWP THB Bednarek Welington Ugochukwu downes Dibling fernandes sulemana Onuachu 2
danjosaint Posted Sunday at 19:23 Posted Sunday at 19:23 18 minutes ago, 2Morrow said: Answering for them , as we have now: Ramsdale KWP THB Bednarek Welington Ugochukwu downes Dibling fernandes sulemana Onuachu ^^ best we can hope for
E_H_Saints Posted Sunday at 20:17 Posted Sunday at 20:17 In all honesty, I think it hurts Juric as much as it hurts the Saints to stay. He may as well leave to save face and we need to bring someone in who can bring the group together, bring back a style that it's competitive and fun to where players want to stay and play for the manager. At least it would allow us to build a positive transition from one league to another and hopefully give us confidence in the season to come. This just has a feeling of manager, players and fans screaming and being dragged through the mud as we are booted out of the league and everyone looking forward to playing us next season. 2
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