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Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

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The Croatian Nathan Jones

 

Yes, he’s been dealt a bad hand. Yes, the squad is awful. But he is another terrible appointment. 
 

Stubbornly sticking to this ridiculous formation that doesn’t suit that squad at all.… suicide. Again. 

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Bob60

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1 minute ago, Osvaldorama said:

The Croatian Nathan Jones

 

Yes, he’s been dealt a bad hand. Yes, the squad is awful. But he is another terrible appointment. 
 

Stubbornly sticking to this ridiculous formation that doesn’t suit that squad at all.… suicide. Again. 

Not really picking on your post but have seen this a lot about the formation

 Being a long suffering season ticket holder I have seen this squad and others in recent years played in a variety of systems, 4:2:2:2, 4:2:3:1, 4:3:3, 3:4:3 etc. None of these have made us look any better and we still concede goals at an alarming rate. 

Think it's time to conclude that the players are just not good enough.

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Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

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2 hours ago, Bob60 said:

Not really picking on your post but have seen this a lot about the formation

 Being a long suffering season ticket holder I have seen this squad and others in recent years played in a variety of systems, 4:2:2:2, 4:2:3:1, 4:3:3, 3:4:3 etc. None of these have made us look any better and we still concede goals at an alarming rate. 

Think it's time to conclude that the players are just not good enough.


Yes but a good manager gives you a chance. 
 

The u21 manager was in charge for a handful of games yet got more out of the players than the last 2 managers just by doing the basics. 

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Lighthouse

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17 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Yes but a good manager gives you a chance. 
 

The u21 manager was in charge for a handful of games yet got more out of the players than the last 2 managers just by doing the basics. 

Rusk was in charge for two games. The first half against Liverpool in the cup was as bad as anything we’ve played this season. Fulham we got a backs to the wall 0-0 in a game where they wasted enough chances to beat us three or four - nil.

No manager who would ever realistically come here is going to do anything other than lose pretty much every game with our squad. Even the unrealistic names thrown around, like Moyes and Potter, wouldn’t do much better than we’ve done with RM and IJ.

Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

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20 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Rusk was in charge for two games. The first half against Liverpool in the cup was as bad as anything we’ve played this season. Fulham we got a backs to the wall 0-0 in a game where they wasted enough chances to beat us three or four - nil.

No manager who would ever realistically come here is going to do anything other than lose pretty much every game with our squad. Even the unrealistic names thrown around, like Moyes and Potter, wouldn’t do much better than we’ve done with RM and IJ.


Yep, probably right  

But still, Juric is doing a very bad job. His team selections and subs are awful. 
 

Both can be true. I hope he’s not here into next season personally. The thought of this formation all next season too fills me with dread  

 

 

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Bewildered

Bewildered

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Juric should call his strategy the guard of honour the way the players move aside and let opponents run clean through the middle.

The guy should be gone at final whistle on the last game at the latest, even if it means appointing the tea lady as Caretaker until summer.

Dusic

Dusic

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We have definitely become worse under Juric than we were under Martin (except for perhaps the last game).

He is even more inflexible and clearly doesnt have the players needed to play his way, hence ending today with a back of a RB who couldnt get in our team in the Champipnship, an attacking midfielder and a player who hasnt played for 2 years. Madness.

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trousers

trousers

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It's still a tad unfair to judge him after 2 months, and with the number of mediocre players at his disposal but, much like Martin before him, he doesn't do himself any favours with his 'random' selections and rigid adherence to a system that's not working.

However, the signs aren't good and, sad to say, I think we're probably looking at yet another poor manager decision from the ownership group. 

I think the club needs to be sold and start again from the top down. 

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Dusic

Dusic

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4 minutes ago, Dirkdiggler said:

How do the powers in charge fuck up 99% of the appointments they make? 
 

Notice they have all gone quiet too.

Rudderless.

All we can do is trust in Spors that he makes a good decision in the summer.

 

Football Special

Football Special

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10 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

All I wanted was for someone to come in and make us a bit harder to play against - obviously just too much to ask 

A combination of tactics and lack of effort / running from our players today, we are so so so easy to play against, as professionals they should be so embarrassed 

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Saint Fen

Saint Fen

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Tactically terrible again. I don’t he’s got too much right since his appointment. I’d get rid now. While we don’t have good enough players that I agree with however have to be more competitive. Our squad is bad but should still be capable to be on more than 9 points.

Rusk to end of season and Rohl in the summer, or just change it now and try and get Rohl now.

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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Tracked and brought in by the people who brought us Jones, Martin and Selles.

As I posted earlier, obsessed with getting up and coming or managers with at least one failure on their record with a point to prove.

Tactics, systems, approaches and personalities are secondary to this. Pay them less and reap the rewards.

Our reward has been supporting 2 of the worst top league teams in our history drop out of the league with a whimper. We've also had some of the least successful managers in league history along the way. We have a bloated squad of lifeless automatons at this level, recruited to fit any tactic we're currently not employing.

Juric was a face saving appointment. Someone SR had been interested in, who was available after a bust with Roma. Rather than address any of the many, many failings, it was just another turn of the SR tombola. They even said he didn't have the right players to suit at the club. Planning for failure, once again, right from the start.

A fair number of clubs have reached Europe over the years. There's plenty of European competitions to get into. Plenty of those managers have managed to keep their sides in their countries top division for a few seasons.

We're just about to drop out of the most lucrative league. But into one where we have a big squad and parachute money. Let's start looking their across the top 10 leagues for candidates, both current and historically. They don't have to be in those positions now. Simply that they've managed sustainably at that level at some point.

Responding to @gio1saints taking the time to respond earlier (thanks!), it didn't have to be a manager with his sights set on elite level clubs. As our stock sinks, we can safely rule out a number of names and levels. Moyes saw the SR disaster a mile off. Before Martin, Marsch saw the same signs too. But there are others who have coached with success at that level, who may be interested for various reasons, not least the massive wage.

It would be nice if SR finally conceded that they don't have the competency to make these decisions and start recruiting coaching staff already at a level to instill levels aimed at success, rather than those learning and failing on the path there. Until they do, they are just going to repeat the same mistakes they've made with their player recruitment.

 

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Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd

Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd

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3 points since he's been here! 

When I saw him linked with the job I started digging and I couldn't find much that was positive. I posted my concerns here and was met with the usual abuse.

"I bet you'd never heard of him before"

Well, actually, I had. His name came up in the past so I'd already done some research. 

It wasn't hard to find out that he had fractious relationships at all of the clubs he'd been at. He was filmed fighting with a club owner in a car park, ffs. 

There were a couple of Italian press articles that I found which were very damning. Then there was also the very negative material from the fans on the forums - Thank God for Google translate. 

For some reason our board seems to be impressed by absolute pricks. Either that of they just don't want to spend the money on paying for someone who knows what they're doing. 

Next season is going to be another complete car crash. 

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Football Special

Football Special

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When Juric was appointed he said he'd been close to joining us previously? Who at Saints decided he was the man for us? 

Talk of his high points return vs budget spent reminded me of the Nathan Jones appointment, recruited without any clear plan on how he'd replicate that at Saints. 

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Toadhall Saint

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9 minutes ago, Football Special said:

A combination of tactics and lack of effort / running from our players today, we are so so so easy to play against, as professionals they should be so embarrassed 

But it’s the same every week. No midfield protection. No defence. No attack. Even Rusk got us a point by being harder to play against.

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Streaky

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Guardiola, Klopp or anyone else couldn't do any better with this crap squad. Actually think we were stronger last season which says alot for our summer recruitment. 

Why we decided to sign Diaz and Archer who were relegated with a wimper last season is beyond moronic. Wasted millions again, club is so badly run I'm no longer spending my money on supporting this turd of a club.

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The Kraken

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14 minutes ago, Football Special said:

A combination of tactics and lack of effort / running from our players today, we are so so so easy to play against, as professionals they should be so embarrassed 

I didn’t watch today as I was on airport duty but listened on the radio. The summary was scathing; only Ramsdale did anything slightly decent, the rest of the side “threw the towel in”. We knew at the start of the season it would be a massive ask to stay up, simply no chance of competing in this league when those players gave completely given up. Unforgivable really.

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Mr X

Mr X

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1 hour ago, Saint Scott said:

Honestly, just sack him tonight

Where have we heard that before.... Oh yes four four times under SR 

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Harry_SFC

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5 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

 

Somewhat refreshing honesty. Martin would've blamed the fans or snapped at the reporter.

Glad he's finally realised it. I've got nothing against him though, unlike Martin who was so far up his own arse. Juric seems a decent guy. Just sadly not what we need. 

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Sheaf Saint

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6 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

 

Somewhat refreshing honesty. Martin would've blamed the fans or snapped at the reporter.

Baby steps I suppose. But surely it should have been glaringly obvious to him long before now. How has it taken him so long to grasp what everyone else could already see?

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Holmes_and_Watson

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6 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Baby steps I suppose. But surely it should have been glaringly obvious to him long before now. How has it taken him so long to grasp what everyone else could already see?

Yup. Clear very early on it wasn't working but kept with it regardless.

Huffton

Huffton

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15 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

 

Somewhat refreshing honesty. Martin would've blamed the fans or snapped at the reporter.

Here's a radical idea. Play your fucking centre backs at centre back. Only saints could actually find someone worse than mad nate. Cunt. 

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trousers

trousers

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11 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Baby steps I suppose. But surely it should have been glaringly obvious to him long before now. How has it taken him so long to grasp what everyone else could already see?

Indeed. Especially as he said when he joined that he'd been keeping a close eye on Saints since the club first approached him after Hassenhuttl left. (IIRC)

The Kraken

The Kraken

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1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

I question the sanity of anyone who feels Aribo and Bree are capable CB's at a competitive level of football.

Not so long ago we had a prime Virgil and Toby Alderweireld / Jose Fonte at centre back. The comparison is………stark. 

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