Ivan Juric

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

2 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I've warmed to Juric so far but yesterday was a bit of a rude awakening; firstly with his team selection and secondly with his post-match comments. A manager that goes into denial mode is usually at the top of the slippery slope.

This is where I sit. Last week went home happy, but disappointed with that team selection yesterday and he does seem to like the 5 at the back and man-marking which isn't for every situation. I'm looking for a manager that can pick a team that plays to its strengths and is prepared to adapt. Hopefully we'll see that in the coming matches.

[benjii]

11 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Seriously? Martin fucked this club right over with his culture of mates and easy ride for the players. Juric might not be the right guy, but he's ten times the manager Martin was.

Next season we need to dominate matches, not mince about with a load of full backs, hoping for a lucky counter attack. 

[trousers]

4 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

I see there are a couple of Russell Martin fanboys, mainly on Twitter, who come out of the woodwork every time we lose berating Juric.

It's almost as if some people would rather we lost to be proven correct. But it doesn't prove anyone right, Martin had to go, the football was terrible and we were uncompetitive.

 

Indeed. The intellectually challenged 'pat ourselves on the back' brigade don't seem to get that just because the replacement may turn out to as bad as the guy he replaced, it doesn't justify keeping the previous bad guy in the first place. Russell Martin was a "dog shit" manager in the PL and therefore had to go. If Juric turns out to be equally "dog shit" then he too will have to go. All quite simple really.

Edited Sunday at 15:10 by trousers

[trousers]

34 minutes ago, benjii said:

I'd rather have Martin next season than Juric. 

Which is a bit like choosing between which chronic disease you'd prefer to have rather than wishing you were healthy....?

(Better analogies no doubt available!)

Edited Sunday at 14:22 by trousers

[S-Clarke]

1 hour ago, sfc4prem said:

We now know certainly that the squad is piss poor.

 

Does this make the claim that Russell was a shite manger a bit less convincing? If the players are so poor, what else could Russ have done?

I know he recruited many of the squad, but I guess 1) we don't really know how much influence he has over who was recruited and 2) we aren't certain on exactly how hamstrung we were in terms of who we could bring in with our budget in terms of initial outlay and wages...

 

What do you reckon, then? Russ not as bad as some make out? Both him and Juric working with their hands tied behind their backs?

He is the one who built a squad so ill-prepared for top flight football, he thought it was a good idea to spend resources on the likes of BBD, Wood, Fraser, Archer etc. So it's on him.

I wouldn't say the style got us promoted last season, it was the level of quality relative to that level which dug us out of lots of holes - those holes were created by the style and farting around. As we've gone up a level, the quality in our squad has dropped (which is a really poor indicment of the recruitment) - but he still persisted on playing the same style but without the required quality level to dig us out of the holes it continuously stuck us in.

[east-stand-nic]

RM style was to brainwash players to believing his way is best that they can never get over it, or so it seems. With this being the case I think we now have a squad of very confused players who have probably had enough of SFC.

[Maggie May]

Thankfully I don’t think Juric will be here next season. 

[ErwinK1961]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Indeed. The intellectually challenged 'pat ourselves on the back' brigade don't seem to get that just because the replacement may turn out to as bad as the guy he replaced, it doesn't justify keeping the previous bad guy in the first place. Russell Martin was a "dog shit" manager in the PL and therefore had to go. If Juric turns out to be equally "dog shit" then he too will have to go. All quite simple really.

Or, people are entitled to criticise Juric and his tactics in the same way people used to do the same when Martin was here. Not sure that makes them ‘intellectually challenged.’

[InvictaSaint]

1 hour ago, Maggie May said:

Thankfully I don’t think Juric will be here next season. 

Despite Dragan saying on record that he will be….? 

[miserableoldgit]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Which is a bit like choosing between which chronic disease you'd prefer to have rather than wishing you were healthy....?

(Better analogies no doubt available!)

Nope! That one works very well......

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Maggie May said:

Thankfully I don’t think Juric will be here next season. 

Is this your opinion or something you have heard??

[trousers]

12 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Or, people are entitled to criticise Juric and his tactics in the same way people used to do the same when Martin was here. Not sure that makes them ‘intellectually challenged.’

Missing my point.... Where did I say people weren't entitled to criticise Juric in the same way people criticised Martin...? I was calling out those who say we should have kept Martin because the next guy turns out to be equally poor... #skewedlogic

Edited Sunday at 15:57 by trousers

[SouSaint]

The set up in this 5-2-3 formation when we dont have the ball is a joke. The midfield are non-existent and easily bypassed. 

Heavy metal football? More like scrap metal. 

[ErwinK1961]

15 minutes ago, trousers said:

Missing my point.... Where did I say people weren't entitled to criticise Juric in the same way people criticised Martin...? I was calling out those who say we should have kept Martin because the next guy turns out to be equally poor... #skewedlogic

Who are these people? Can’t say I’ve seen many saying that.

[Saint Billy]

What we needed was a dynamic manager who noticed the shortfalls, which were bloody obvious, and changed it. No signs of that, same old lethargic negative approach, same old ridiculous formations, lineups, substitutes and same old results. Does SR have it in them just to get one feckin decision right, seems not.

[Maggie May]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Is this your opinion or something you have heard??

My opinion. I called it after the West Ham game. He hasn’t improved us. He doesn’t deserve to stay on and it would be embarrassing if he does.

[trousers]

Slot out!

(Oops, sorry, wrong club... )

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

22 hours ago, trousers said:

If it's possible to get a fairly ordinary bunch of players to the top of the premier league (line-up when that happened below) surely there's a manager out there that could've got more than 9 points from 24 games out the current bunch of mediocre players...?

There is, and who knows, it might still be Juric.

I heard on TV about a quote from the Irish rugby union manager when asked about his team's success. He said he focused the team on being the best at things that require no talent. You inherit an ordinary bunch so you focus on fitness, on tracking back, on set pieces, on marking or whatever. The old phrase, do the simple things well is what we need to do.

[trousers]

1 hour ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Who are these people? Can’t say I’ve seen many saying that.

I've no idea, but try reading further up the thread.... I was simply responding to someone who had seen posts from such people. Granted, might not be many people in the general scheme of things, of course. 

Edited Sunday at 17:19 by trousers

[trousers]

20 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

I called it after the West Ham

That's the beauty of "calling out" lots of things over the years... Every now and then one of them comes true....

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 hour ago, SouSaint said:

The set up in this 5-2-3 formation when we dont have the ball is a joke. The midfield are non-existent and easily bypassed. 

Heavy metal football? More like scrap metal. 

But when your midfield consists of players like Aribo and Smallbone, what hope have you got? 

[West end Saints]

1 hour ago, InvictaSaint said:

Despite Dragan saying on record that he will be….? 

I don't think it was the strongest endorsement, left me thinking it was far from definite, and even if I chairman backed a manager that isn't worth much a week later, let alone several months

[Harry_SFC]

3 minutes ago, West end Saints said:

I don't think it was the strongest endorsement, left me thinking it was far from definite, and even if I chairman backed a manager that isn't worth much a week later, let alone several months

If we don't get another win this season (very likely) then i'll be shocked if he's still in charge.

[Saint Keef]

It's surely only a matter of time before the clueless hierarchy running this shit show, look around them and go "Oooooh look. Wayne Rooney's out of work. We've heard of him. Didn't he used to be a good footballer? Let's see if he wants to be our coach". It really wouldn't surprise me. Fuck me......I hope I haven't put any ideas in their heads.

[Football Special]

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

Ah! The 90's

[Doctoroncall]

10 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Can I have a jam sandwich Mrs Patterson, thank you!

[pimpin4rizeal]

26 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Looks like he’s about to go stealing drugs with Tony tucker 😆

[Toussaint]

2 hours ago, Maggie May said:

My opinion. I called it after the West Ham game. He hasn’t improved us. He doesn’t deserve to stay on and it would be embarrassing if he does.

He only has to win one more game between now and the end of the season to “improve us”

Edited Sunday at 19:31 by Toussaint

[CB Fry]

54 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Curtains nipper

[FarehamSaintJames]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

If we don't get another win this season (very likely) then i'll be shocked if he's still in charge.

Agreed.

It would be a very weak statement from the club if he was to stay in charge on the back of a relegation, a fractured dressing room and if he only accumulated say an additional few points.

 

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Looks like he’s about to go stealing drugs with Tony tucker 😆

😂😂😂😂😂 you beat me too it thought exactly the same thing, good work mate 

[Osvaldorama]

Another fucking shit appointment 

 

It’s like they’re deliberately trying to find the worst managers possible at this point. 
 

Yes the players are terrible, but what the fuck is this clown doing 

[skintsaint]

3 hours ago, Football Special said:

Hope he didn't go to heavy metal gigs with a barnet like that! Take That gigs maybe?

[pimpin4rizeal]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

😂😂😂😂😂 you beat me too it thought exactly the same thing, good work mate 

Haha looks just like him doesn’t he ?

Great movie btw 

[Saint Fan CaM]

A difficult call to make to know if Juric could do better with better players - he probably could - but his insistence at retaining the back five whatever does concern me greatly. And it’s certainly possible that an even worse Manager will be identified next time round in the Championship - I’m quite pessimistic about how next season will pan out unless a significant change to the squad is made.

[chivvy]

I was hoping for more flexibility  from Juric.    I was hoping for 4 at the back yesterday in a game we could be winning.  Ok play 5 against premier league clubs that are expected beat us but not in a game like yesterday .. play downes and ugochuckwu if you want some solidity but need more up front than sule and a kid, who despite what we think is going to be inconsistent .

I'm not sure I want Juric staying next season.. I've not seen enough and I'd question his man management and tactics.. it's like he arrived and knows nothing about the players.

Edited Monday at 06:18 by chivvy

[Sarnia Cherie]

2 hours ago, chivvy said:

I was hoping for more flexibility  from Juric.    I was hoping for 4 at the back yesterday in a game we could be winning.  Ok play 5 against premier league clubs that are expected beat us but not in a game like yesterday .. play downes and ugochuckwu if you want some solidity but need more up front than sule and a kid, who despite what we think is going to be inconsistent .

I'm not sure I want Juric staying next season.. I've not seen enough and I'd question his man management and tactics.. it's like he arrived and knows nothing about the players.

I agree. There was a faint glimmer of hope in his first couple of games but that has been snuffed out very quickly. Where on earth do SR find this endless line of clowns?

[Miltonaggro]

14 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Curtains nipper

Probably by mid-May.

[Miltonaggro]

17 hours ago, InvictaSaint said:

Despite Dragan saying on record that he will be….? 

He did indeed, but a results driven business and Juric looks knackered and a tad bemused already to be honest - not even sure he'll want to extend tenure.  After Martin Rohl was Board's first choice, and they sounded him out, so maybe they go back early summer.  The Spors appointment might reinforce that link.  What we need more than anything is energy and a coach with the flexibility to adapt, that and about ten first team players.  

Edited Monday at 09:22 by Miltonaggro

[macca155]

I wouldn't get too exercised by Juric. He is clearly just a caretaker until the end of the season. A short term contract and zero support in the transfer window tells us that.

His short tenure is allowing the club to clear out some of the deadwood.

I presume the new Technical director will bring in someone on a more long term contract.

Let's hope it gives us hapless fans something to cheer.

[Dan Johnson]

15 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Looks like he’s about to go stealing drugs with Tony tucker 😆

[egg]

8 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

A difficult call to make to know if Juric could do better with better players - he probably could - but his insistence at retaining the back five whatever does concern me greatly. And it’s certainly possible that an even worse Manager will be identified next time round in the Championship - I’m quite pessimistic about how next season will pan out unless a significant change to the squad is made.

Agreed. A back 5 on Saturday was daft, and that he didn't is either down to a lack of tactical flexibility or trust in his players. I'm not sure which, but  I fear it's the former. 

I'd loved to have seen us go into that playing a 4231. We had the players to play that, and win comfortably. 

[AlexLaw76]

15 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Looks like he’s about to go stealing drugs with Tony tucker 😆

😂😂😂

[OldNick]

15 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Agreed.

It would be a very weak statement from the club if he was to stay in charge on the back of a relegation, a fractured dressing room and if he only accumulated say an additional few points.

 

You have to take into account that the club did not buy anybody and so he has been left with the tatered rabble who could only get 6 points until his arrival. I fail to see how we will bounce back up, that many fans were confident we would do so.

As time goes on I really am feeing that Semmens did us a major disservice by choosing these jokers instead of the 2 other bids who were going to offer us more. We were in the PL then and had we had a proper owner may well have settled the boat and we stayed up, rather than the rubbish these charlatans have brounght on us

[gio1saints]

18 hours ago, trousers said:

Missing my point.... Where did I say people weren't entitled to criticise Juric in the same way people criticised Martin...? I was calling out those who say we should have kept Martin because the next guy turns out to be equally poor... #skewedlogic

Except nobody is saying that. One poster has suggested both Rm and IJ have had weak  cards to play. Fair point. 

@Trousers your ability to sit on the fence is almost legendary in here. I’m unsure I’ve ever heard a definitive opinion from you that was not couched in your recognisable style …. So you can imagine my surprise when I read that youve invented a secret sect of RM worshippers who wallow in SFC defeats and rush to post the equivalent of  “ Ivan out” and “ Bring back russell” after each miserable result. Really! 😂

[Dusic]

21 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

He is the one who built a squad so ill-prepared for top flight football, he thought it was a good idea to spend resources on the likes of BBD, Wood, Fraser, Archer etc. So it's on him.

Usually you are fairly balanced and reasonable but this is an odd one.

RM was the manager but he wasn't the person negotiating signing players and wasn't the Head of Recruitment. I doubt any of our genuine first team signings were first choices, we already know most of them weren't because we were clearly in for players like Delap, Carvalho, Clarke (just off the top of my head). Its fairly likely many were quite far down the list.

The blame for recruitment clearly lies at the door of Sport Republic. They failed RM in the summer, as much as he messed things up himself.

Re Juric...seems odd in our situation to get a manager who is very fixed in terms of formation when we knew we didnt have some profiles for his setup.

 

 

 

[danjosaint]

I agree to an extent to the above but you've got to take into account Fraser, Manning, Wood and Lumley I believe where all his 'mates' from previous 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, danjosaint said:

I agree to an extent to the above but you've got to take into account Fraser, Manning, Wood and Lumley I believe where all his 'mates' from previous 

Indeed they were but they are all capable footballers at their level.

[danjosaint]

And hereby lies the problem, we were so far off being prepared for epl, be it from RM,  Sports Republic, the finances, pretty much most facets we got wrong