Ivan Juric

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

On 02/02/2025 at 12:15, Hodgey said:

FWIW so far I think he is getting better and getting a tune out of some players Martin couldn’t.

He's getting more from a number of players. From what I've seen, he's getting a tune out of Sule, Tall Paul & Big Les. Fernandes seems to have more freedom. Even Bree has improved. The football has been a lot more interesting so overall I like him even though I was also there to witness the Brentford debacle first hand.

The chasms at the back need to be addressed where teams seem to walk through our central defence but I think he is starting to make an impact.

[FarehamSaintJames]

He’s getting more from a few players but let’s not kid ourselves that he’s some great tactical genius. 

It’s unfortunate that he’s inherited such an awful squad at an awful time but like RM he doesn’t help himself with things like formation, substitutions etc.

It was an extremely low bar for him to be any better than Russell Martin. It’s great that he’s got four points but if he doesn’t get much more than that until the end of the season realistically would you want him in charge for next season?

[Paul Chuckle]

1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

He’s getting more from a few players but let’s not kid ourselves that he’s some great tactical genius. 

It’s unfortunate that he’s inherited such an awful squad at an awful time but like RM he doesn’t help himself with things like formation, substitutions etc.

It was an extremely low bar for him to be any better than Russell Martin. It’s great that he’s got four points but if he doesn’t get much more than that until the end of the season realistically would you want him in charge for next season?

He's only got 3 points. Matt Le God Mode deactivated 😕

[suewhistle]

1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

He’s getting more from a few players but let’s not kid ourselves that he’s some great tactical genius.

I don't think anybody has said he is, but getting rid of our famous U shaped heat map is an excellent start, he's demanding more from the players and I suspect he's a better judge of them too, having been round the block a bit.

[trousers]

1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

let’s not kid ourselves that he’s some great tactical genius. 

You're in luck.... Precisely zero people have been kidding themselves that...

[Galway saint]

I think he's doing ok bearing in mind the squad is crap. The  football is less soporific and frankly after the total dog shit managers we have had to endure over the past few years to have someone who is competent and not self obsessed is a welcome change. 

[washsaint]

3 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

He’s getting more from a few players but let’s not kid ourselves that he’s some great tactical genius. 

It’s unfortunate that he’s inherited such an awful squad at an awful time but like RM he doesn’t help himself with things like formation, substitutions etc.

It was an extremely low bar for him to be any better than Russell Martin. It’s great that he’s got four points but if he doesn’t get much more than that until the end of the season realistically would you want him in charge for next season?

He hasn't got 4 points, he's got 3.  He had 6 straight defeats to start his tenure.  The draw at Brighton was under Rusk.

I think he's an extremely limited manager and is absolutely wedded to the 3 at the back nonsense.

[Convict Colony]

5 hours ago, washsaint said:

He hasn't got 4 points, he's got 3.  He had 6 straight defeats to start his tenure.  The draw at Brighton was under Rusk.

I think he's an extremely limited manager and is absolutely wedded to the 3 at the back nonsense.

Its all well and good being pedantic but make sure your right... it was fulham not brighton as russ was still in charge then.

[cortee]

I like him and hope he can also grow along with the team.

[Football Special]

6 hours ago, washsaint said:

He hasn't got 4 points, he's got 3.  He had 6 straight defeats to start his tenure.  The draw at Brighton was under Rusk.

I think he's an extremely limited manager and is absolutely wedded to the 3 at the back nonsense.

Don't forget the win v SWANSEA 

[tdmickey3]

7 hours ago, washsaint said:

He hasn't got 4 points, he's got 3.  He had 6 straight defeats to start his tenure.  The draw at Brighton was under Rusk.

I think he's an extremely limited manager and is absolutely wedded to the 3 at the back nonsense.

Was he not in charge for draw at Fulham???

[CamSaint]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Was he not in charge for draw at Fulham???

No, his work permit had not come through yet so Rusk was still in charge. Rusk took the previous midweek cup game against Liverpool and the Fulham match. IJ's first match in charge was West Ham.

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[tdmickey3]

15 minutes ago, CamSaint said:

No, his work permit had not come through yet so Rusk was still in charge. Rusk took the previous midweek cup game against Liverpool and the Fulham match. IJ's first match in charge was West Ham.

Cheers

 

[franniesTache]

On 01/02/2025 at 18:32, Wsaint said:

 

 As a Ralph fan, not backing him properly whilst he was here was the fuck up. He was completely and utterly done with us by the end and he probably needed to go, for his own good.

It's been death by a thousand cuts really, I liked Ralph for large periods but by the end he was completely spent, the mistake with him was not getting rid sooner - especially as he said he was off at the end of that season and became a lame duck.

We should've sacked Ralph at the end of the season and spent the summer getting the right man in. We didn't so it went to shit.

Then we brought in Jones, some of the stuff he did i actually still don't think was as terrible as people made out, he kicked the players up the arse which needed doing and he called out our more self entitled parts of fanbase which needed doing, but on the pitch he was fundamentally not even close to being good enough.

Unfortunately once again we waited far too late to get rid of him, which should've happened after the Forest home game when it was obvious how bad he was.

Then we brought in Selles who just felt like SR had basically given up, held their hands up, said "fucked if we know" and put him in. The major mistake there was bringing in a person who'd never managed a club and expecting them to learn their trade at possibly the worst time you could learn your trade, during a catastrophic relegation battle where what we needed was someone who had been there before (but probably wouldn't have been popular with our more hipster elements in our support).

So obviously we went down and sacked him, that brought in Martin. I still think Martin was the wrong choice from day one but luckily we had a squad good enough to get us up anyway.

I think it was obvious to anyone with half a brain that if Martin continued with his footballing style we'd be torn apart every week, he took a team that conceded a ton of goals and created a small amount in the championship, but managed to win because we had better players, into a league where we'd concede loads of goals, create very few and have significantly worse players.

It was a recipe for disaster.

In my opinion a good owner would've said thanks for promotion and here's your P45 the day after the play offs, but i could sort of understand the logic that said give him a chance in the premier league.

The issue once more came about because we didn't just give him a chance, we hung on way, way too long, put the club in a position that meant we couldn't rescue it, destroyed the players confidence and made us deeply unattractive to any other manager.

So when the finally sacked him and brought in Juric they basically had to bring in a "Mark Hughes" style coach. Juric probably wouldn't have been my first choice.

We had two choices in reality, give up on the season completely, look at the long term and build going forward. For me that choice would've been spending what was needed and getting Rohl in, and given the way Rohl plays it would take time for that to bed so doing it now wouldn't be the worst thing, because if we do sack Juric and go for him we'll potentially fuck up the start to the championship season.

Or option two get in a pragmatist like Juric who will spot fix the worst things - an inability to attack, playing players in the wrong position, the beaver like approach to damn building through slow, ponderous, insane passing and the woefully poor fitness levels of the squad. But know we'd probably still go down and know that we've got ourselves a fairly bog standard, nothing special but competent manager.

SR obviously went with option two, the big question now is if it goes wrong will they finally learn to act faster. I very much doubt it, and i'm not that confident about coming straight back up next time round either.