Whitey Grandad Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 12:24, Lee On Solent Saint said: It doesn't take a football genius to work out that Armstrong wasn't going to step up. He struggled painfully the last time we graced this league. Aribo is also shit at this level, just shows how far we have fallen that fans think he is any good. Bree also is absolutely shocking at this level. Bottom line is that we were far too loyal to the players that got us up. Whether that's on the board or RM, I doubt we will ever know. Expand Was it loyalty or the fact that they’re under contract?
Lee On Solent Saint Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 12:24, Whitey Grandad said: Was it loyalty or the fact that they’re under contract? Expand Probably a bit of both. But I'm sure we could have moved a few on. Didn't we give Armstrong a new contract after promotion? 1
Whitey Grandad Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 12:26, danjosaint said: Well RM said himself he was too loyal Expand Too loyal to himself. 3
Charlie Wayman Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 12:16, Maggie May said: Those 'good' players have only mustered six points and on course to be the worst Premier League team of all time. Expand Not only that but after the exodus of these so-called "best" players fans will be stuck with the depressing prospect of having to watch the dregs represent us next season in the Championship whether we like it or not. Juric's insistence on staying on in the summer and "building a team that can compete (sic)" next season sounds overly much like wishful thinking and hot air rather than grounded belief for our future. How he expects to buy better players than the ones we will lose to achieve his stated aim is beyond me; the whole host of promising kids on our books cannot be turned into world beaters overnight. We heve to accept that rebuilding will take time and mid table mediocrity is the most likely course for the next two or three seasons, maybe not Stoke but probably not Leeds either.
Lord Duckhunter Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) Looks like he’s staying. Dragan Solak on talksport “Ivan Juric signed a contract for a year and a half and he is our manager for next season." Edited January 27 by Lord Duckhunter 4
Lord Duckhunter Posted January 27 Posted January 27 “We obviously have a very ambitious manager who is trying to change how we play. Unfortunately the squad has been assembled for a different style. He’s trying to do the best he can.” 5
Disco Stu Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) After saying we'd learn from our mistakes from the last time we were relegated, saying it again doesn't hold much weight. Edited January 27 by Disco Stu
Midfield_General Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) On 27/01/2025 at 12:56, Lord Duckhunter said: “We obviously have a very ambitious manager who is trying to change how we play. Unfortunately the squad has been assembled for a different style. He’s trying to do the best he can.” Expand Sports Republic literally have no idea of the concept of a strategy, do they? Each manager they hire has a completely different style to the last. They buy shit players to support that style, then when it doesn't work they sack the manager, bring in someone who plays a completely different way, need different players for that style, rinse and repeat. For a club like ours where using what money we have is paramount, it's so inefficient as to be suicidal. Dragan should be cleaning house right now of all the jokers who have advised him so badly and wasted hundreds of millions of pounds of his money. He's clearly not a stupid man, so surely he must be able to see that? Edited January 27 by Midfield_General 11
leesaint88 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 12:47, Lord Duckhunter said: Looks like he’s staying. Dragan Solak on talksport “Ivan Juric signed a contract for a year and a half and he is our manager for next season." Expand I'm not against Juric being in charge next season. He spoke recently about having the right player for the right role, sounds simple but it goes back to some of the old school managers bringing in a tall CB to ensure domination in the air. I think if he has the freedom with transfers then we could have a very efficient team next season. 6
Lord Duckhunter Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) One good thing about him staying (or the owner saying he’s staying) is players won’t be able to see him out. If they want to play they’ll need to conform and do what they’re fucking told. I always think it’s harder to get your ideas across & harder to drive the players with criticism & hard work if they think “he’ll be gone in the summer”. He’s got the authority to deliver some home truths and knock the softness out of some of them. He’s also got the chance to see who has the character to bounce back and who is a son-in-law. Edited January 27 by Lord Duckhunter 10
ErwinK1961 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 13:10, Lord Duckhunter said: One good thing about him staying (or the owner saying he’s staying) is players won’t be able to see him out. If they want to play they’ll need to conform and do what they’re fucking told. I always think it’s harder to get your ideas across & harder to drive the players with criticism & hard work if they think “he’ll be gone in the summer”. He’s got the authority to deliver some home truths and knock the softness out of some of them. He’s also got the chance to see who has the character to bounce back and who is a son-in-law. Expand Don’t think it matters personally. The ones that want to go will be sold because we need the cash, the ones that stay will either be because we need them at Championship level / no-one else wants them.
Wade Garrett Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 13:01, Midfield_General said: Sports Republic literally have no idea of the concept of a strategy, do they? Each manager they hire has a completely different style to the last. They buy shit players to support that style, then when it doesn't work they sack the manager, bring in someone who plays a completely different way, need different players for that style, rinse and repeat. For a club like ours where using what money we have is paramount, it's so inefficient as to be suicidal. Dragan should be cleaning house right now of all the jokers who have advised him so badly and wasted hundreds of millions of pounds of his money. He's clearly not a stupid man, so surely he must be able to see that? Expand He is cleaning house. Getting a new DOF in and just got rid of Kraft. He has also abandoned the ridiculous possession propaganda football. Mistakes have been made. In my opinion Ankersen and Kraft have been culpable. To me, it looks like Dragan lost patience with them and has stepped in himself. I think this should have all been done much earlier, hindsight is a wonderful thing. 4
trousers Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) On 27/01/2025 at 00:10, HKsaint said: How could SR find someone who is worse than Russell Martin Expand It's going to take much more than 6 games to corroborate that opinion. Given Juric joined in a hopeless situation, and was never going to be able to turn things around this season, I would venture that, say, 10 games into next season is probably the soonest we can logically and directly judge how good Juric is (in comparison with Martin). Edited January 27 by trousers 4 1
Charlie Wayman Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 13:01, leesaint88 said: I'm not against Juric being in charge next season. He spoke recently about having the right player for the right role, sounds simple but it goes back to some of the old school managers bringing in a tall CB to ensure domination in the air. I think if he has the freedom with transfers then we could have a very efficient team next season. Expand 1
revolution saint Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 12:47, Lord Duckhunter said: Looks like he’s staying. Dragan Solak on talksport “Ivan Juric signed a contract for a year and a half and he is our manager for next season." Expand He would say that though wouldn't he? I can't imagine he'd come out with anything to undermine a manager midway through a season even if he does decide to reassess at the end of the season. I'm not that fussed if Juric stays or goes. There's enough mitigating factors to warrant giving him another chance but equally I expected better than zero points from a possible 18. 1
The Realist Posted January 27 Posted January 27 I am not fussed whether he stays - granted as the owner, the right thing to do is to say that he stays beyond this season, otherwise players will completely give up. That said, zero points from 18 is bad. I never really felt that Martin's team was ever thrashed (aside from Spurs). Most of the time, we were in games but didn't look dangerous in attack. This was Martin's biggest mistake in that he focussed too much on the risk playing at the back and not enough on the risk of the players in the final third. That has changed under Juric but we still look terrible. I would be much happier if we got Rohl in the summer. I see more of an identity of the team and a style that would be enjoyable to watch. Not convinced Juric's style is good to watch or successful. 1
Harry_SFC Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 14:29, The Realist said: I am not fussed whether he stays - granted as the owner, the right thing to do is to say that he stays beyond this season, otherwise players will completely give up. That said, zero points from 18 is bad. I never really felt that Martin's team was ever thrashed (aside from Spurs). Most of the time, we were in games but didn't look dangerous in attack. This was Martin's biggest mistake in that he focussed too much on the risk playing at the back and not enough on the risk of the players in the final third. That has changed under Juric but we still look terrible. I would be much happier if we got Rohl in the summer. I see more of an identity of the team and a style that would be enjoyable to watch. Not convinced Juric's style is good to watch or successful. Expand We lost 5-1 to Chelsea as well this season and 5-0 to Sunderland and Leicester under Martin last season. Some pretty nasty thrashings right there. 4
SteveO1985 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 26/01/2025 at 22:02, Saint_clark said: We had no such problem under Adkins last time. He even tried being a bit TOO ruthless and dropped Lambert for Rodriguez first game of the season. Expand Not quite true. We recognised very quickly that Barnard / Jack Cork / Danny Fox / Kelvin Davies were not good enough and upgraded accordingly (Clyne / Rodriguez, Boruc etc)
Lee On Solent Saint Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 14:29, The Realist said: I am not fussed whether he stays - granted as the owner, the right thing to do is to say that he stays beyond this season, otherwise players will completely give up. That said, zero points from 18 is bad. I never really felt that Martin's team was ever thrashed (aside from Spurs). Most of the time, we were in games but didn't look dangerous in attack. This was Martin's biggest mistake in that he focussed too much on the risk playing at the back and not enough on the risk of the players in the final third. That has changed under Juric but we still look terrible. I would be much happier if we got Rohl in the summer. I see more of an identity of the team and a style that would be enjoyable to watch. Not convinced Juric's style is good to watch or successful. Expand Out of interest, if Rohl had not been here before, would the clamour for him to be our next manager be so great? I'll freely admit I've not seen anything of Sheffield Wednesday this season so have no idea what he brings to the table. 3
64saint Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 12:47, Lord Duckhunter said: Looks like he’s staying. Dragan Solak on talksport “Ivan Juric signed a contract for a year and a half and he is our manager for next season." Expand Ah yes, the dreaded vote of confidence from the owner !!! He'll be gone by the end of the season then. 🙄
danjosaint Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 14:52, Harry_SFC said: We lost 5-1 to Chelsea as well this season and 5-0 to Sunderland and Leicester under Martin last season. Some pretty nasty thrashings right there. Expand The chelsea game should've been 10, also last year think it was hull that gave us a right pasting
2Morrow Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 15:08, Lee On Solent Saint said: Out of interest, if Rohl had not been here before, would the clamour for him to be our next manager be so great? I'll freely admit I've not seen anything of Sheffield Wednesday this season so have no idea what he brings to the table. Expand Wednesday were absolutely dead and buried before he took over last year, bottom and 7 points from safety (below Rotherham, Huddersfield etc.) He now has kept them up and has them in touch of playoffs, a huge improvement. As much as I loved martin and the style of play in the champ, he had never markedly improved anyone (Mk Don's or Swansea). If you imagine it goes: dead and buried (us now, sheff wed then) -> relegation battle -> lower mid table -> play off hopeful -> top 4 -> title challenger a rough hopeful theory would be he could improve us similarly, from play off hopefuls to being able to contest a relegation battle in the Prem potentially. Conpletely un scientific madness but there is some logic that he can take players like Valery and Barry Bannan (the team we trounced first game last season) to nearly the playoffs, then he should be able to help us. 1
Turkish Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 16:57, 2Morrow said: Wednesday were absolutely dead and buried before he took over last year, bottom and 7 points from safety (below Rotherham, Huddersfield etc.) He now has kept them up and has them in touch of playoffs, a huge improvement. As much as I loved martin and the style of play in the champ, he had never markedly improved anyone (Mk Don's or Swansea). If you imagine it goes: dead and buried (us now, sheff wed then) -> relegation battle -> lower mid table -> play off hopeful -> top 4 -> title challenger a rough hopeful theory would be he could improve us similarly, from play off hopefuls to being able to contest a relegation battle in the Prem potentially. Conpletely un scientific madness but there is some logic that he can take players like Valery and Barry Bannan (the team we trounced first game last season) to nearly the playoffs, then he should be able to help us. Expand Since when has "trounced" been a 2-1 win with the winner in the 87th minute? 1 1
SWLondon Saint Posted January 27 Posted January 27 If Rohl had come in when Juric did, there's an extremely high chance he'd have just lost exactly the same 6 games and everyone would now be calling for his head and a new manager next season. The players were just broken by the end of the Spurs game, it was obvious to anyone watching. I said around then I thought it'd be better to have a caretaker till the end of the season as there was a high chance it would be a total shitshow given the low morale and quality of the squad. 3
goodymatt Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 17:00, Turkish said: Since when has "trounced" been a 2-1 win with the winner in the 87th minute? Expand We trounced them on successful passes and possession.
CB Fry Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) On 27/01/2025 at 17:00, Turkish said: Since when has "trounced" been a 2-1 win with the winner in the 87th minute? Expand ......a little thing called possession stats. I went to that game and keeping the ball for what felt like hours on end was something of a novelty and quite exciting. We learnt. We didn't trounce them but we should have. Edited January 27 by CB Fry 1
Turkish Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 17:41, CB Fry said: ......a little thing called possession stats. I went to that game and keeping the ball for what felt like hours on end was something of a novelty and quite exciting. We learnt. We didn't trounce them but we should have. Expand ah yes, apologies. A few weeks without Russball and im already forgetting what really matters. The real score, of course, was 20 - 80. 3
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 13:01, leesaint88 said: I think if he has the freedom with transfers then we could have a very efficient team next season. Expand He should have some connections and idea of players in Italy who could help the team. Like last time we were relegated, I can see players leaving in dribs and drabs and players joining at different stages. Hopefully, Juric (or whoever is manager) can demonstrate their adaptability because the first 11 and the start the season could be a lot different from that at the end of the transfer window.
2Morrow Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Hey it's the Internet so let's focus on one word. I retract trounced and replace it with 'comfortably beaten' The rest stands Match stats Sheffield Wednesday vs Southampton 8 Shots 23 1 Shots on target 7 20% Possession 80% 236 Passes 987 72% Pass accuracy 94% 12 Fouls 10 4 Yellow cards 4 0 Red cards 0 2 Offsides 0 3 Corners 6
Green Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Rohl wasn’t in charge of Sheff Wed for the first game of the season. He was in the home game in January though.
Turkish Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) On 27/01/2025 at 18:04, Green said: Rohl wasn’t in charge of Sheff Wed for the first game of the season. He was in the home game in January though. Expand Where we trounced them 4-0. How can this be? (or 70-30 in what really matters) Edited January 27 by Turkish 1
Matthew Le God Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 18:13, Turkish said: Where we trounced them 4-0. How can this be? Expand Martin had better players at his disposal 3
Convict Colony Posted January 27 Posted January 27 "Solak expressed optimism about the club despite its struggles this season. He emphasized support for manager Ivan Juric, acknowledging that Juric is trying to implement a new style of play which the current squad was not initially assembled for. He noted Juric's dedication and lack of complaints, indicating that the club will try to assist him in his efforts." Fairplay to Juric and even if he does leave for a job back in Italy its would still dovetail nicely that any players we get to suit his style would also suit Rohls.
Turkish Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 18:14, Matthew Le God said: Martin had better players at his disposal Expand You’ve obviously waded in and not read the thread, yet again 🙄🙄🙄 2 1
Guest Posted January 27 Posted January 27 He won’t be staying if he picks up little points. That would be another Sport Republic masterclass. 😂
notnowcato Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Can’t say there’s been much so far to suggest he’s worth sticking with. Not writing him off yet though. 1 2
Saint_clark Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 08:06, Matthew Le God said: The gap in quality between the leagues is bigger than it was 13 years ago. Expand Are you AI now or something? That is completely irrelevant to the point I was making.
Saint_clark Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 15:07, SteveO1985 said: Not quite true. We recognised very quickly that Barnard / Jack Cork / Danny Fox / Kelvin Davies were not good enough and upgraded accordingly (Clyne / Rodriguez, Boruc etc) Expand Same as MLG, you didn't read the thread. I am saying we didn't have a problem with being ruthless under Adkins and replacing the players that got us promoted.
Colinjb Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 15:07, SteveO1985 said: Not quite true. We recognised very quickly that Barnard / Jack Cork / Danny Fox / Kelvin Davies were not good enough and upgraded accordingly (Clyne / Rodriguez, Boruc etc) Expand Debatable on that one. 2
Guest Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 27/01/2025 at 20:18, notnowcato said: Can’t say there’s been much so far to suggest he’s worth sticking with. Not writing him off yet though. Expand This entirely. We might be playing slightly better but it was a low bar to clear. Also the games has had to pick up points: Fulham, Crystal Palace, West Ham, Forest, even United were there for the taking. There’s no justification for him being here if he doesn’t start picking up points. It’s not difficult to understand. 😂
woodsaint1 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 27/01/2025 at 15:08, Lee On Solent Saint said: Out of interest, if Rohl had not been here before, would the clamour for him to be our next manager be so great? I'll freely admit I've not seen anything of Sheffield Wednesday this season so have no idea what he brings to the table. Expand Exactly my thoughts. Young, up and coming manager, but not sure its what we need right now. Fans a bit more invested in him because he was here before obviously
woodsaint1 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Every chance we still look elsewhere in the summer despite Solak's comments. He was hardly going to say that Juric will be replaced in the summer as that kills any incentive for Juric and just creates more uncertainty for the players. Hard to see how he can be kept on if we dont win a game or two the rest of the season, despite the demoralised team hes inherited.
leesaint88 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 27/01/2025 at 21:26, Colinjb said: Debatable on that one. Expand Agree. Solid player, his career after Saints shows he was PL level.
Matthew Le God Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) On 26/01/2025 at 22:02, Saint_clark said: We had no such problem under Adkins last time. He even tried being a bit TOO ruthless and dropped Lambert for Rodriguez first game of the season. Expand On 27/01/2025 at 08:06, Matthew Le God said: The gap in quality between the leagues is bigger than it was 13 years ago. Expand On 27/01/2025 at 20:44, Saint_clark said: Are you AI now or something? That is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. Expand On 27/01/2025 at 15:07, SteveO1985 said: Not quite true. We recognised very quickly that Barnard / Jack Cork / Danny Fox / Kelvin Davies were not good enough and upgraded accordingly (Clyne / Rodriguez, Boruc etc) Expand On 27/01/2025 at 20:47, Saint_clark said: Same as MLG, you didn't read the thread. I am saying we didn't have a problem with being ruthless under Adkins and replacing the players that got us promoted. Expand We only signed 7 players in the summer of the 2012/13 season and then only one player in Janaury (Forren who never played a game). My point is that the gap between the leagues is a lot bigger now than 13 years ago and we may need more significant squad changes than just 7 players like we had in 2012/13. The summer of 2024 was the time to move on Armstrong, Aribo, Bree, Smallbone, Stephens, Manning etc. They aren't good enough for the Premier League and we needed a complete squad overall. Instead, Russell Martin openly admitted he was loyal to the promotion squad. A larger turnover of players may have caused gelling issues, but it is player quality that has let us down this season so I think it should have been a risk worth taking. Edited January 28 by Matthew Le God 2
Matthew Le God Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 27/01/2025 at 18:13, Turkish said: Where we trounced them 4-0. How can this be? (or 70-30 in what really matters) Expand On 27/01/2025 at 18:14, Matthew Le God said: Martin had better players at his disposal Expand On 27/01/2025 at 18:15, Turkish said: You’ve obviously waded in and not read the thread, yet again 🙄🙄🙄 Expand How is my post not a valid answer to your question?
Turkish Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 28/01/2025 at 09:24, Matthew Le God said: How is my post not a valid answer to your question? Expand Because you ignored my initial point further up the thread and yet again have failed to quote this when you were trying to prove your case above. Therefore you are missing the entire point being made. You fucked up, admit it and move on with your life.
Matthew Le God Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) On 28/01/2025 at 09:28, Turkish said: Because you ignored my initial point further up the thread and yet again have failed to quote this when you were trying to prove your case above. Therefore you are missing the entire point being made. You fucked up, admit it and move on with your life. Expand What exactly are you suggesting invalidates an answer of 'Martin had better players at his disposal' to a question of how 'Where we trounced them 4-0. How can this be?'. Edited January 28 by Matthew Le God
Turkish Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 28/01/2025 at 09:34, Matthew Le God said: What exactly are you suggesting invalidates an answer of 'Martin had better players at his disposal' to a question of how 'Where we trounced them 4-0. How can this be?'. Expand You are correct, Martin did have better players at his disposal. However where you are failing is that this wasn't the point being made in the wider discussion. You consistent failure to comprehend this is not my fault, it's yours.
Matthew Le God Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 28/01/2025 at 09:38, Turkish said: You are correct, Martin did have better players at his disposal. However where you are failing is that this wasn't the point being made in the wider discussion. You consistent failure to comprehend this is not my fault, it's yours. Expand It wasn't a point. You asked a question. A question isn't a point. I answered the question. So how is my answer not a valid answer to that question? Do you not know the difference between points/statements and questions? Plus even if there was something, which I can't see how there would be. This thread is 15 pages long. All I did is answer a question that was asked. Do you really expect everyone to read every post in a long thread to see if there was something else that changed the question so it can't be taken on face value?
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