Ivan Juric

[FarehamSaintJames]

I wouldn’t feel sorry for him. He inherited a squad which is vastly shit compared to any seen in the Premier League - even Wigan and Blackpool back in the day had more fight.

He is guaranteed a very nice bonus if he keeps the team up and will get a huge payoff if they go down, plus a comfortable salary on the way.

Why anyone says they feel sorry for a manager in this position is hilarious.

[sfc4prem]

7 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I wouldn’t feel sorry for him. He inherited a squad which is vastly shit compared to any seen in the Premier League - even Wigan and Blackpool back in the day had more fight.

He is guaranteed a very nice bonus if he keeps the team up and will get a huge payoff if they go down, plus a comfortable salary on the way.

Why anyone says they feel sorry for a manager in this position is hilarious.

I feel sorry for the fans. Oh, wait... 🤡🫣😞

[adrian lord]

He has not been employed to keep us up, no-one seriously expects that, it is too late. If he does manage a miracle he will get the keys to the city, and will probably turn his hand to walking on water. He has been employed with mission instructions  to get us straight back up next season, hence the 18 month contract. Succeed, then he gets a new contract. 

[HarvSFC]

Where's his coaching staff? 

[Harry_SFC]

1 hour ago, adrian lord said:

He has not been employed to keep us up, no-one seriously expects that, it is too late. If he does manage a miracle he will get the keys to the city, and will probably turn his hand to walking on water. He has been employed with mission instructions  to get us straight back up next season, hence the 18 month contract. Succeed, then he gets a new contract. 

Agreed. If the club expect us to stay up after the shit show they themselves enabled then Jesus Christ. 

You can't just change a style of play overnight. It'll take time on the training ground. If he does ok this season and wants to manage us in the championship then great.

[CSA96]

At this point, I would be surprised if he is here next season

[danjosaint]

I know he loves his 343 but he really needs to go 4atb, with comments about ABK wouldn't surprise me to see him come in, please play a 4231 and regain a little bit of midfield 

[Viking Saint]

12 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

I know he loves his 343 but he really needs to go 4atb, with comments about ABK wouldn't surprise me to see him come in, please play a 4231 and regain a little bit of midfield 

Agree. Bednarek was torn a new one today and proved he isn't EPL quality. Maybe time to try ABK and THB, Suga and KWP at FB, sit Les and Downes in front of them with Fernandes, Dibling and SAA behind Archer 

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Viking Saint said:

Agree. Bednarek was torn a new one today and proved he isn't EPL quality. Maybe time to try ABK and THB, Suga and KWP at FB, sit Les and Downes in front of them with Fernandes, Dibling and SAA behind Archer 

That's Bednarek in a nutshell really, a very, very, very limited defender. Gets away with it at Champ level, but without a decent player alongside him at PL level he is utter piss. Teams will always concede goals with Bednarek in the side.

[goodymatt]

37 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

At this point, I would be surprised if he is here next season

What gives you this impression?

Alfie House mentioned on the Total Saints Pod that he thought the 6 month break clause didn’t exist. Sky and Athletic reported there is one. Guess we will find out in the summer!

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

Gets almost a full week on the training ground, are all his new coaching team in place now?

Can't see too many points coming our way again in Jan tbh.

[Lighthouse]

44 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That's Bednarek in a nutshell really, a very, very, very limited defender. Gets away with it at Champ level, but without a decent player alongside him at PL level he is utter piss. Teams will always concede goals with Bednarek in the side.

I've seen some people point to the number of PL appearances he's made as proof that he's a PL defender. In reality all it really proves is how awful our recruitment has been for a sustained period of time. We weren't exactly fighting off buyers when we last went down and I doubt we will be in summer either.

[Harry_SFC]

59 minutes ago, Viking Saint said:

Agree. Bednarek was torn a new one today and proved he isn't EPL quality. Maybe time to try ABK and THB, Suga and KWP at FB, sit Les and Downes in front of them with Fernandes, Dibling and SAA behind Archer 

Mateta is an absolute beast - the only defender we have capable of playing against players like him physically is ABK. Need to get him up to speed ASAP. 

[Whitey Grandad]

13 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

We have a manager who now surrenders the middle of the park.

great

Three central defenders innit.

[Kenilworthy]

I am disappointed to see the continuing nonsense of KWP on the left - with God help us Bree on the right yesterday or the poor error-prone Sugawara. Just play Manning, who verges on the adequate, on the left and put KWP in his best position.

[saintant]

44 minutes ago, Kenilworthy said:

I am disappointed to see the continuing nonsense of KWP on the left - with God help us Bree on the right yesterday or the poor error-prone Sugawara. Just play Manning, who verges on the adequate, on the left and put KWP in his best position.

What has Charlie Taylor done? A left back with Premier League experience and yet he doesn't get a look in.

[Fabrice29]

6 hours ago, Kenilworthy said:

I am disappointed to see the continuing nonsense of KWP on the left - with God help us Bree on the right yesterday or the poor error-prone Sugawara. Just play Manning, who verges on the adequate, on the left and put KWP in his best position.

He's better at left back imo. Whole pitch opens up to him when he plays there because he's comfortable cutting inside onto his preferred foot and going outside around the edge of the box for those short cut backs on his left foot. I'll be surprised if we don't cash in on him in January though. From memory the stats show this as well. More key passes and more shots from left back over his career.

As for the manager, he's hampered at this level by the squad, like previous managers since Ralph. Quality and mentality both lacking at this level. Not fair to judge him and the problem transcends tactics and will manifest itself just in different ways but hopefully this way of frantic football will produce some results and better vibes. If we can get some goals in January there's a chance of some credibility to be gathered. He isn't staying without some better results though.

Edited 30 December, 2024 by Fabrice29

[Saint86]

On 30/12/2024 at 06:54, Whitey Grandad said:

Three central defenders innit.

The sports republic way. 

[CSA96]

In: Matteo Paro (assistant manager), Stjepan Ostojić (fitness coach)
Out: Matt Gill (assistant manager), Colin Calderwood (coach), Rhys Owen (sports scientist)

Remaining from RM's staff: Dean Thornton (GK coach), Ben Parker (analyst)

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/article/jurics-coaching-additions-confirmed

[Lord Duckhunter]

Suga on new boss and the difference from Lego ball. 
 

“It's only been 10 days, so we don't know everything (about Juric's style) but I feel the new manager wants to see us be more aggressive in attack.

"And in defence, in the situations when we steal the ball (he wants us to be aggressive). Under the old gaffer, when we stole the ball, we tried to keep it.

"The new gaffer wants to score a goal immediately. We have to go attack, attack. We have to see the situation to attack and get the goal.

"In training, if we steal the ball and try to pass backwards, he says 'no, try and see the pass forward and find a way to attack'.

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Suga on new boss and the difference from Lego ball. 
 

 

“It's only been 10 days, so we don't know everything (about Juric's style) but I feel the new manager wants to see us be more aggressive in attack.

"And in defence, in the situations when we steal the ball (he wants us to be aggressive). Under the old gaffer, when we stole the ball, we tried to keep it.

"The new gaffer wants to score a goal immediately. We have to go attack, attack. We have to see the situation to attack and get the goal.

"In training, if we steal the ball and try to pass backwards, he says 'no, try and see the pass forward and find a way to attack'.

Thank Christ for that. Even if it doesn't work at least he's identified the problem immediately. 

[trousers]

38 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

"In training, if we steal the ball and try to pass backwards, he says 'no, try and see the pass forward and find a way to attack'.

[coalman]

On 30/12/2024 at 14:59, Fabrice29 said:

As for the manager, he's hampered at this level by the squad, like previous managers since Ralph. Quality and mentality both lacking at this level. Not fair to judge him and the problem transcends tactics and will manifest itself just in different ways but hopefully this way of frantic football will produce some results and better vibes. If we can get some goals in January there's a chance of some credibility to be gathered. He isn't staying without some better results though.

Martin was primarily hampered by Martin. Jones was hampered by being Jones. Selles wasn't ready for the hospital pass he got. We'll see how Juric does.

Mentality comes from whoever is in charge. Sadly the previous manager had a losers mentality and worked hard to instill that in his team. So it'll take time to run this intervention.

As for the players being good enough. We'll get a better idea over the next few months.

[Pamplemousse]

I'm glad we've got a new fitness coach, think that is a key upgrade.

[Fabrice29]

5 hours ago, coalman said:

Martin was primarily hampered by Martin. Jones was hampered by being Jones. Selles wasn't ready for the hospital pass he got. We'll see how Juric does.

Mentality comes from whoever is in charge. Sadly the previous manager had a losers mentality and worked hard to instill that in his team. So it'll take time to run this intervention.

As for the players being good enough. We'll get a better idea over the next few months.

Yeah man, always the manager, manager manager manager. Not working? Have a new one. Football is weird sometimes but that’s the way it is I suppose 

[Matthew Le God]

5 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

I'm glad we've got a new fitness coach, think that is a key upgrade.

Only if he is good at his job!

[coalman]

2 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Yeah man, always the manager, manager manager manager. Not working? Have a new one. Football is weird sometimes but that’s the way it is I suppose 

The manager is the one held responsible for results. They coach the team. They pick the team. They choose the tactics. They work with the team that brings in new players to fit their system. They choose when training happens or whether to take days off. So, yes, the first place you look is the manager.

Unless you're the fucking excuse monkey we just had where he couldn't see what he could do short of stopping the game to tell the players they were great (his words) and kept banging on about how his points total was undeserved.

Now, it may well be this group of players couldn't have stayed up but I struggle to understand how Martin could have got less out of them this season.

Edited Friday at 21:32 by coalman

[Osvaldorama]

Worrying signs yesterday. 
 

Only a fucking idiot would have picked those players and expected anything other than a big defeat. 
 

[OttawaSaint]

He's the only guy we could get. He doesn't mind the relegation on his CV cos he's getting £££s. His CV ain't that stellar anyway so he's got nothing to lose. 

The players are shit and ones that are less shit have given up. Be surprised if we get more than 3 more points from the remaining fixtures.

[pimpin4rizeal]

8 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Worrying signs yesterday. 
 

Only a fucking idiot would have picked those players and expected anything other than a big defeat. 
 

But the biggest problem was that we only had aribo and Lesley available for midfield .. aribo doesn’t have the engine to play in a two and Lesley looks quite a donkey .. it’s not that surprising we got overrrun with that midfield but it’s all juric had to choose from ?

[AlexLaw76]

The man needs to depart the club at the end of the season

[danjosaint]

It's so blatent to see 343 doesn't work unless u have 2 world class cm's ,even if you had those 2  the formation will never work in the Epl,  fucking awful formation 

[Turkish]

22 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

But the biggest problem was that we only had aribo and Lesley available for midfield .. aribo doesn’t have the engine to play in a two and Lesley looks quite a donkey .. it’s not that surprising we got overrrun with that midfield but it’s all juric had to choose from ?

Yep absolute pathetic. That first goal was a joke and the penalty was ridiculous. I like THB but he was dreadful yesterday too at fault for two of them with Suga. Was it the third goal there were four players round the Brentford player and he walked through them without anyone making a tackle?

[AlexLaw76]

The clown is persisting with 3 at the back.

hilarious

[Harry_SFC]

5 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

It's so blatent to see 343 doesn't work unless u have 2 world class cm's ,even if you had those 2  the formation will never work in the Epl,  fucking awful formation 

Agreed. We get overrun in the middle of the pitch so easily. I'd rather see us go to a 4 and use Dibling in his best position on the right. Stick SAA on the other side, because why the hell not.

Ramsdale; KWP, Wood, Bednarek, Manning; Downes, Les, Fernandes; Dibling, SAA, Archer.

 

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The clown is persisting with 3 at the back.

hilarious

Feel a bit sorry for the bloke to be fair. with Downes and Fernandes out who else did we have who could play in midfield. Then we've got the clowns that do play arsing around with it, pulling out of tackles, giving away stupid penalties etc. 

I've no idea why he started Sulemana though, absolutely shite and done nothing to warrant it. Record signing 🤣

Edited Sunday at 18:03 by Turkish

[Whitey Grandad]

47 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

But the biggest problem was that we only had aribo and Lesley available for midfield .. aribo doesn’t have the engine to play in a two and Lesley looks quite a donkey .. it’s not that surprising we got overrrun with that midfield but it’s all juric had to choose from ?

Five at the back innit.

[benjii]

30 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Feel a bit sorry for the bloke to be fair. with Downes and Fernandes out who else did we have who could play in midfield. Then we've got the clowns that do play arsing around with it, pulling out of tackles, giving away stupid penalties etc. 

I've no idea why he started Sulemana though, absolutely shite and done nothing to warrant it. Record signing 🤣

Agreed, although I thought Sulemana was probably our best player in the first half. He wasn't particularly good, mind, and he's usually awful.

[VectisSaint]

48 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

It's so blatent to see 343 doesn't work unless u have 2 world class cm's ,even if you had those 2  the formation will never work in the Epl,  fucking awful formation 

It really doesn't matter what formation we play the players are basically not good enough, and when your only defensive midfielder is injured you are totally screwed (even though he is not really good enough either). 

[washsaint]

I just hope we send Cornet and Big Les back and get a striker and JWP in on loan.

[Lord Duckhunter]

People need to calm down a bit. It was untenable for Lego to continue and it’s going to take more than 3 games to turn this round, particularly when the players don’t seem fit enough. 
 

Let’s see where we are after he’s managed a similar number of premier league games to Lego, as we can’t change manager again. 
 

 

[FarehamSaintJames]

Ditch the back five. Actually have a go at attacking.

We can’t hold teams out so we don’t we try and lump an extra attacker into the mix.

[UpweySaint]

8 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

People need to calm down a bit. It was untenable for Lego to continue and it’s going to take more than 3 games to turn this round, particularly when the players don’t seem fit enough. 
 

Let’s see where we are after he’s managed a similar number of premier league games to Lego, as we can’t change manager again. 
 

 

He’s here for the season and I agree Martin’s position was basically untenable but I think it highlights that recruitment has been a bigger issue than coaches for too many years.

it’s easy to be revisionist but Ralph wasn’t crap and would have kept us up with a half decent striker.

Jones is Jones but Selles is showing he’s a decent coach.

Juric deserves more than three games before being judged though a 5-0 pasting at home hurts. We’re down and I think the players know it - doesn’t help with their heads dropping - but it would be good to finish the season with a little credibility and a semblance of a plan for next year. 

[Dark Munster]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The man needs to depart the club at the end of the season

Not at the end of the season. He needs to go now.

(You're talking about Rasmus, right?)

[FarehamSaintJames]

My hope was the whole point in getting a new manager would sparks. Change in something. Attitude. Formation. Tactics.

We saw a change (to a point) against West Ham and that is it. 

He isn’t the man to keep us up. And I most certainly don’t think he will be the man to take us back up when we inevitably go down.

[Pamplemousse]

I'm not blaming Juric, hopefully he'll have learnt a huge deal i.e. who not to play.

The mentality from the players was wrong right from the start, we have a team full of losers who can't deal with setbacks. That can't be coached out of them.

[Mr Saints]

Far from his fault but if yesterday continues (which it will) the he’ll only last 8 or so games, as our cuntish players had zero interest in playing for him.  I imagine it will then be Lallana in charge with Rusk until the end of the season. 

[saintant]

On 03/01/2025 at 20:37, Matthew Le God said:

Only if he is good at his job!

However good he is he'll only be able to have a limited impact. It's well known that if you don't put in the hard yards pre-season you can't catch up while playing competitive games. This is one of Martin's legacies I'm afraid and we're stuck with it. If anyone needs proof of how lax it was just look at the constant days off from training and the fact that RM had given them Xmas day off despite having a Boxing Day match. We've been run like a pub team by SR, the manager and coaches so no surprise that we resemble one on the pitch. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

1 hour ago, danjosaint said:

It's so blatent to see 343 doesn't work unless u have 2 world class cm's ,even if you had those 2  the formation will never work in the Epl,  fucking awful formation 

 

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The clown is persisting with 3 at the back.

hilarious

Right but on this occasion we only had 2 cms available anyway so juric hand is kinda forced  .. we where nowhere near as bad in his other two matches.. fernandes and Downes where obvious big misses even though downes hasn’t been all that really .. I’d be getting Shea Charles back asap Sod his development we need him !

Edited Sunday at 19:21 by pimpin4rizeal

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 minutes ago, saintant said:

However good he is he'll only be able to have a limited impact. It's well known that if you don't put in the hard yards pre-season you can't catch up while playing competitive games. This is one of Martin's legacies I'm afraid and we're stuck with it. If anyone needs proof of how lax it was just look at the constant days off from training and the fact that RM had given them Xmas day off despite having a Boxing Day match. We've been run like a pub team by SR, the manager and coaches so no surprise that we resemble one on the pitch. 

Trying to shake off the effects of 18 months & 2 preseasons of Lego ball will be incredibly difficult to achieve, particularly when you’ve got players like Downes, Manning & Archer who look like they were specifically brought in to play it. He needs a few out of favour and haven’t been playing it week in, week out, like Tall Paul, Big Les, Salamana, ABK and maybe SAA to step up. However, there’s no sign of that anytime soon.