Ivan Juric

[pimpin4rizeal]

He comes across great . Very calm convincing demeanour. It’s encouraging he takes a lot from gasoerini when you look at how well Atalanta are doing .. very happy with this appointment atm

[saintant]

43 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Second is to stop calling the premier league the premiership. Twice I’ve heard him say it already 

If he saves us from relegation he can call the league whatever he likes 🙂

[Andy Hill]

Time will tell - but the likes of AA, BBD and JS need to be well away from the 1st team.

[skintsaint]

1 hour ago, Andy Hill said:

Time will tell - but the likes of AA, BBD and JS need to be well away from the 1st team.

Yep save them for next season on the likelihood we go down.

[Cascadia Saint]

39 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Yep save them for next season on the likelihood we go down.

Save them for if we run out of cones at staplewood.

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

He looks like a proper manager.

Everything that Jones/Martin isn't.

Concern is, he's giving all the soundbites that Pellegrino gave and look what we ended up with almost the exact opposite of the words coming out of his mouth.

That said, he CANNOT do any worse than Martin on 5 points from 16 games ffs. 

Those players need proper coaching and fitness levels need drastic improvement.

Juric looks to me like someone who will be their manager and not their mate, which was Martin's biggest downfall.

At this level, you can't act like their your mates in for a kickabout.

Our squad is piss-fucking-poor theires no doubt about that, but it's better than 5pts/16 that's for sure.

I would've liked Moyes, but after the job he did at West Ham his stock is high and to come here in the situation we're in, he would have wanted MEGA money.

Welcome Ivan.

[HarvSFC]

It's going to be harder to criticise the club for trying to emulate Atalanta's philosophy. A club traditionally associated with lower mid-table Serie A with the occasional Serie B season who for a number of years now have disrupted the status quo in Italy, winning a Europa League, getting Champions League football and currently sitting top. They also play exciting, pressing football whenever I've seen Atalanta on TV.

Rather, than Manchester City's, a side funded by a state, the richest club in the world who can go out and sign any player they want to fit their system.

Now lets raid Atalanta for their behind the scenes staff, their version of Shields/Wilcox. 😉

[31cc]

Nice article in the Grauniad, have to say he comes across as a good dude. Don't think he's going to feck around, some of our boys are in for a bit of a shock I reckon.

 

Ivan Juric sets sights on ‘death metal football’ at struggling Southampton | Southampton | The Guardian

[sadoldgit]

The big question is…

How long before Duckie turns on him and changes his avatar to Travis Bickle?

[Mattio]

I woke up to this update on my phone, I’m taking it as a sign of things to come 

[Convict Colony]

8 hours ago, HarvSFC said:

It's going to be harder to criticise the club for trying to emulate Atalanta's philosophy. A club traditionally associated with lower mid-table Serie A with the occasional Serie B season who for a number of years now have disrupted the status quo in Italy, winning a Europa League, getting Champions League football and currently sitting top. They also play exciting, pressing football whenever I've seen Atalanta on TV.

Rather, than Manchester City's, a side funded by a state, the richest club in the world who can go out and sign any player they want to fit their system.

Now lets raid Atalanta for their behind the scenes staff, their version of Shields/Wilcox. 😉

Agree am going to refreshmy memory of atalanta's tactics so i can see where we are going to hope

 

[Convict Colony]

Honestly if you have 10mins watch that video its really well explained and help fans understand what we will be doing, both defensively (which is pretty cool) and offensively, love the committment to man marking and quick transitions.

Am super excited what juric could do with us, i expect sulemana to our lookman in this system as well and think we might see the best of him and because we will be man marking rather than pressing Tall paul might have the endurance for it as the focal point.

Edited 24 December, 2024 by Convict Colony

[gio1saints]

The style that Juric wants us to play demands intelligence, technical skill AND super fitness. 

Im pretty certain the team are technically capable - enough - although I don’t think we are as fit as I’ve ever seen Saints teams and wonder if we got the puff for 90 minutes of hard pressing.

They won’t get that extra sharpness and fitness this week ~ so supporters ought to be aware that he and players will need extra support from us last twenty minutes of matches in particular. 

We will go out fast v West Ham but if it’s still tight at the end that’s when our supporters can really make a difference. And if West Ham score first even more so. Got a feeling the crowds going to be lively and the atmosphere electric Boxibg Day! 
 

[Turkish]

52 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

The big question is…

How long before Duckie turns on him and changes his avatar to Travis Bickle?

So sick of people following you round aren't you. So sick of it, just leave me alone i want to post in peace. 

You're frigging obsessed with certain posters on here

 

[Harry_SFC]

11 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

The style that Juric wants us to play demands intelligence, technical skill AND super fitness. 

Im pretty certain the team are technically capable - enough - although I don’t think we are as fit as I’ve ever seen Saints teams and wonder if we got the puff for 90 minutes of hard pressing.

They won’t get that extra sharpness and fitness this week ~ so supporters ought to be aware that he and players will need extra support from us last twenty minutes of matches in particular. 

We will go out fast v West Ham but if it’s still tight at the end that’s when our supporters can really make a difference. And if West Ham score first even more so. Got a feeling the crowds going to be lively and the atmosphere electric Boxibg Day! 
 

I'd be surprised if we tried to press loads in his first few matches. Unfortunately it's going to take time to get this side fit, something we don't really have at the moment. He may have to implement things slower than everyone would ideally like. 

[JustinR]

From the Guardian 2 years ago, talking about his Torino side. Loving the potential for sh*thousery

The broad strokes of Juric’s gameplan were nothing new. Like his mentor, Gasperini, he frequently pairs players up one-on-one with opponents all over the pitch and trusts them to engage in individual duels. Where the approach sometimes differs is in the sheer levels of aggression. Juric encourages his forwards to attack the ball-carrier at almost every opportunity.

That approach can make for messy matches. Torino commit more fouls than any other team in Serie A, and it’s not close: averaging 17.6 per game compared with just 14.5 for the second-most prolific offenders, Verona – the team who Juric coached for the preceding two seasons.

Yet Torino sit middle of the pack when it comes to yellow cards, with 11 other teams collecting more. Their fouling is not reckless but often tactical, premised on the idea that it is better to give away an innocuous free-kick deep in opposition territory than to let a move get started. Such infringements are also far less likely to draw bookings.

And the longer that a team stay trapped in their own half, the more likely that they become impatient and flustered. As the above piece from ultimouomo.com also observed, Torino give up fewer passes per loss of possession to opponents than any other team in the league.

[trousers]

17 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

I don’t think we are as fit as I’ve ever seen Saints team

Really? Can't think why... 

[gio1saints]

FWIW Roma are my second team and I have many Roma supporting cousins and friends. 
The first reaction from them was “ oh dear” after what happened at Roma - but I see it differently. We are more Verona and Torino than Roma end of the table -as Juric put it at the press thing.

I think Roma and its supporters - and the squad - were still reeling from losing the idolised De Rossi but who could not get a tune out of his team. Juric came in and it seems some of the players got a rude awakening. High profile players were dropped and results did not improve fast enough so they pulled the plug. 
Many going on about seeing Sulemana but I Would not be surprised, certainly in short term, to see the work rate of Fraser back on the pitch - which, sadly reminds us that Juric can only cut the suit according to his cloth. And ours is pretty thin. BBD , an injured striker who has hardly played, invisible Wesley and frankly our main ( and only realistic) hope apart from Cam and AA both not top EPL players and Tall Paul is what he’s got to pull something out the bag. 
I think most Saints fans will understand and value the commitment shown no matter the results under the new man. COYS! 

[Osvaldorama]

22 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

FWIW Roma are my second team and I have many Roma supporting cousins and friends. 
The first reaction from them was “ oh dear” after what happened at Roma - but I see it differently. We are more Verona and Torino than Roma end of the table -as Juric put it at the press thing.

I think Roma and its supporters - and the squad - were still reeling from losing the idolised De Rossi but who could not get a tune out of his team. Juric came in and it seems some of the players got a rude awakening. High profile players were dropped and results did not improve fast enough so they pulled the plug. 
Many going on about seeing Sulemana but I Would not be surprised, certainly in short term, to see the work rate of Fraser back on the pitch - which, sadly reminds us that Juric can only cut the suit according to his cloth. And ours is pretty thin. BBD , an injured striker who has hardly played, invisible Wesley and frankly our main ( and only realistic) hope apart from Cam and AA both not top EPL players and Tall Paul is what he’s got to pull something out the bag. 
I think most Saints fans will understand and value the commitment shown no matter the results under the new man. COYS! 

Surprised to see you still posting on here even after your sacking Russ   

 

Roma are even more of a basket case than us, so I am happy to write that time off and see what he can do. His record elsewhere is very good and exactly what we need. The antithesis of Russball. I’m excited. 

[skintsaint]

33 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

FWIW Roma are my second team 

😆 state of football fans today...

How many half n half scarfs you got?

Back on subject. Will be interesting to see how long it takes to transition into his style of tactics....and are ours patient enough to wait? I'll give it 2 games if things aren't going right....

[SWLondon Saint]

Found the article @JustinR mentioned above, interesting reading.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jan/17/ivan-juric-death-metal-approach-torino-devilish-team-serie-a

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

FWIW Roma are my second team

Second team 😂 What a nod….

[Suhari]

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

Honestly if you have 10mins watch that video its really well explained and help fans understand what we will be doing, both defensively (which is pretty cool) and offensively, love the committment to man marking and quick transitions.

Am super excited what juric could do with us, i expect sulemana to our lookman in this system as well and think we might see the best of him and because we will be man marking rather than pressing Tall paul might have the endurance for it as the focal point.

Good video.

Seems the opposite of RussBall, and likely to deliver excitement. Curious to see how results improve. Think we are in for some fun over the rest of the season.

[Pamplemousse]

11 minutes ago, Suhari said:

Good video.

Seems the opposite of RussBall, and likely to deliver excitement. Curious to see how results improve. Think we are in for some fun over the rest of the season.

Hopefully not the same fun that Russell Martin was having

[Suhari]

40 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Hopefully not the same fun that Russell Martin was having

Yeah. That didn't happen did it......who's going to tell Russ?

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Suhari said:

Good video.

Seems the opposite of RussBall, and likely to deliver excitement. Curious to see how results improve. Think we are in for some fun over the rest of the season.

Kind of makes me question all this philosophy bollocks SR seem to want. We've had 4 managers appointed since they came in. Jones and his shite long ball, data driven nonsense, Selles who was clearly a stop gap, Martin and his ridiculous idea, now Juric who seems different again. I get Martin might have been a Wilcox appointment but it certainly doesn't seem like "the philosophy" is coming from Rasmus and co.

Edited 24 December, 2024 by Turkish

[suewhistle]

On 22/12/2024 at 12:56, trousers said:

Apologies for the pedantry, but it's Thursday

During the Christmas period it seems a different time-space continuum is in operation; or it could be just me age. I'm sure I'll make the game on the right day now.

 

I thought the shots of Jurić at Craven Cottage were interesting: covered mouths but very expressive hands.. Not quite sure how to interepret them though..

 

[Toadhall Saint]

43 minutes ago, suewhistle said:

During the Christmas period it seems a different time-space continuum is in operation; or it could be just me age. I'm sure I'll make the game on the right day now.

 

I thought the shots of Jurić at Craven Cottage were interesting: covered mouths but very expressive hands.. Not quite sure how to interepret them though..

 

Did someone say his a bit like Conte on TV be touch line? That will be fun if true 

[Turkish]

52 minutes ago, suewhistle said:

During the Christmas period it seems a different time-space continuum is in operation; or it could be just me age. I'm sure I'll make the game on the right day now.

 

I thought the shots of Jurić at Craven Cottage were interesting: covered mouths but very expressive hands.. Not quite sure how to interepret them though..

 

You lived in Italy right? Given this and you're a know it all i'd have thought you'd be able to enlighten us all

[east-stand-nic]

4 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

The big question is…

How long before Duckie turns on him and changes his avatar to Travis Bickle?

Stalking and stirring again I see. 

[saint francis]

That Gasparini, Atalanta style of play looks more like a Hassenhutl strategy than any other we've seen recently.  Watch out for the ball in behind!

[Convict Colony]

56 minutes ago, saint francis said:

That Gasparini, Atalanta style of play looks more like a Hassenhutl strategy than any other we've seen recently.  Watch out for the ball in behind!

hopefully we have a better keeper to deal with those

[Ted Bates Statue]

On 21/12/2024 at 18:58, david in sweden said:

Oh Trousers.  Sorry if... "the spacing".. is troubling you . I'm not overly fond of underlining which (to me ) looks/feels like  a shout, or  an order.

I like to think of it / them as a breath, or pause for thought instead.  I was amused to read a while ago, that some well-known recipients of the 

Nobel Prize for Literature mistreated the English language  and use of grammar to an extreme, but it was the content of their work that was most

interesting - irrespective of misuse. Occasionally  I get a comment from an angry Grammarian, but at least my spelling is reasonably acceptable.

 

b.t.w.  I quite enjoy many of your posts, compared to some others who show less respect.

 

On this occasion @trousers has completely left you off the hook. First off, you casually mention your dislike of underlining, but the use of different font styles is literally your trademark posting style. Then, you completely fail to address his actual question about paragraphs. My theory is that you draft your posts in something like Notepad with word wrap turned off, so by default all the words appear on a single infinite

line. Nice anecdote about how substance is king, btw. All in all, it's a classic response. Never change, David.

[Saint86]

Just watched part 1 of his initial press conference. How nice it is to have a serious, intelligent/thoughtful, and mature manager again. Its like a breath of fresh air has blown through the club. All of Martin's nonsense baggage that he carried around with him has evaporated. Back to having a serious football manager again!

We're going to make a real fist of staying up i reckon. I'm optimistic at least.

Very interesting that he said the reason he wanted this job was because he wanted to manage Southampton. Building on the fact that he said prior to that how he's basically been watching us for 2 years ever since he originally stated at Torino.

Work with a couple of Croatians at work and they've got very similar mannerisms - one in particular that i noted is that when asked a question or querying something that they might not like / understand, they'll suddenly raise their voice and the intensity of what they're saying to query it, it brokers no nonsense for the next reply - like you've stepped on a landmine and they better like the next words you're say. You can tell Blackmore isn't used to it, properly tiptoed around him with his questions 😄. Should keep the players on edge and wanting to perform for him - something they defo need.

Edited 24 December, 2024 by Saint86

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Stalking and stirring again I see. 

I sincerely hope that someone gets you a sense of humour (and irony) for Christmas.

Ask someone what stalking means and check your own behaviour. You are literally stalking me! 😘

Edited 24 December, 2024 by sadoldgit

[johnnyboy]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

I sincerely hope that someone gets you a sense of humour (and irony) for Christmas.

Ask someone what stalking means and check your own behaviour. You are literally stalking me! 😘

Maybe just leave it the pair of you it adds nothing to the debate and makes you both look a little silly , try being nice for Xmas you might both enjoy it 

Feliz Navidad !

Edited 24 December, 2024 by johnnyboy
Vital word missing !

[Saint Keef]

My girlfriend says I'm a stalker.  Well, she's not actually my girlfriend..................yet!

Anyway, wishing you all a Happy Christmas. Peace & Love.

 

[Tommy Mulgrew]

Interesting thoughts on how Ivan might improve us defensively - see first link.

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/team-analysis/ivan-juric-southampton-202425-tactical-analysis-tactics

I think I have already put the second one on here somewhere; whatever, here it is again.

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/article/head-coach-analysis-ivan-juric-201920-tactical-analysis-tactics

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to one and all.

[Saint_clark]

8 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Just watched part 1 of his initial press conference. How nice it is to have a serious, intelligent/thoughtful, and mature manager again. Its like a breath of fresh air has blown through the club. All of Martin's nonsense baggage that he carried around with him has evaporated. Back to having a serious football manager again!

We're going to make a real fist of staying up i reckon. I'm optimistic at least.

Very interesting that he said the reason he wanted this job was because he wanted to manage Southampton. Building on the fact that he said prior to that how he's basically been watching us for 2 years ever since he originally stated at Torino.

Work with a couple of Croatians at work and they've got very similar mannerisms - one in particular that i noted is that when asked a question or querying something that they might not like / understand, they'll suddenly raise their voice and the intensity of what they're saying to query it, it brokers no nonsense for the next reply - like you've stepped on a landmine and they better like the next words you're say. You can tell Blackmore isn't used to it, properly tiptoed around him with his questions 😄. Should keep the players on edge and wanting to perform for him - something they defo need.

I much prefer managers who value players respect more than their friendship. Sounds like this guy fits the bill.

I bet Russell was the target of banter all the time - can't see the players taking the piss out of Juric.

Edited 24 December, 2024 by Saint_clark

[east-stand-nic]

12 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I sincerely hope that someone gets you a sense of humour (and irony) for Christmas.

Ask someone what stalking means and check your own behaviour. You are literally stalking me! 😘

Once again an incredible lack of awareness. You say I am literally stalking you and need to check my behavior, yes? So your post above that I replied to where you talk about Duckie, is that not also Stalking? Do you not need to check your own behavior? Or is it different because you are doing it? It is incredible you say these things when all the while it is YOU who is all the things you claim others to be DOING. I sincerely hope you get the mental health help you so clearly need.

Edited 25 December, 2024 by east-stand-nic
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[CanadaSaint]

12 hours ago, Turkish said:

Kind of makes me question all this philosophy bollocks SR seem to want. We've had 4 managers appointed since they came in. Jones and his shite long ball, data driven nonsense, Selles who was clearly a stop gap, Martin and his ridiculous idea, now Juric who seems different again. I get Martin might have been a Wilcox appointment but it certainly doesn't seem like "the philosophy" is coming from Rasmus and co.

This is exactly what has been doing my head in. We supposedly went after Marsch and were in discussions with Juric two years or so ago, and both of them are committed to fast transition using both flanks. Marsch's Canadian men's team is exhilarating to watch, punches well above its weight, and gave fits to some of the best sides in the world at Copa America, including a full-strength Argentina. Just what a club like Saints needs to be, not Russell Martin's version of Monty Python's Fish Dance.

The point isn't that we didn't hire Marsch or Juric, or even why we didn't, but that we went after them in the first place - and then settled for Jones, Selles and Martin. That's not a carefully-orchestrated philosophy at work, being guided by people who know football.

Hopefully, we're now on the right track but a lot of damage has been done.

[Patches O Houlihan]

2 hours ago, CanadaSaint said:

... not Russell Martin's version of Monty Python's Fish Dance.

😁 Thanks for that! Great start to the morning

Merry Christmas!

[badgerx16]

19 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Stalking and stirring again I see. 

 

16 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I sincerely hope that someone gets you a sense of humour (and irony) for Christmas.

Ask someone what stalking means and check your own behaviour. You are literally stalking me! 😘

 

5 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Once again an incredible lack of awareness. You say I am literally stalking you and need to check my behavior, yes? So your post above that I replied to where you talk about Duckie, is that not also Stalking? Do you not need to check your own behavior? Or is it different because you are doing it? It is incredible you say these things when all the while it is YOU who is all the things you claim others to be DOING. I sincerely hope you get the mental health help you so clearly need.

Thanks for your insightful contribution towards the discussion of our new manager.

Edited 25 December, 2024 by badgerx16

[east-stand-nic]

14 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

 

 

Thanks for your insightful contribution towards the discussion of our new manager.

Ditto, right here and on many other threads where you have chosen to attack people and not discuss the subject yourself. All too easy.

[Saint NL]

Corberan has been appointed manager of Valencia.

I wonder if that was already on the cards and influenced our decision?

Fwiw, I wasn't a fan, so much preferred Ivan.

[Convict Colony]

15 hours ago, Saint NL said:

Corberan has been appointed manager of Valencia.

I wonder if that was already on the cards and influenced our decision?

Fwiw, I wasn't a fan, so much preferred Ivan.

Missed this, was he sacked from brom or left them

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Missed this, was he sacked from brom or left them

He had a release clause in his contract, according to the BBC.

[Raging Bull]

Russ to West “brave” Brom

[Sarnia Cherie]

I

On 23/12/2024 at 20:28, Andy Hill said:

Time will tell - but the likes of AA, BBD and JS need to be well away from the 1st team.

Personally, I don't want BBD in a Saints shirt ever again. One of the biggest wastes of money we have ever signed and there's a long list. 

[Mr X]

On 24/12/2024 at 09:43, Osvaldorama said:

Surprised to see you still posting on here even after your sacking Russ   

 

Roma are even more of a basket case than us, so I am happy to write that time off and see what he can do. His record elsewhere is very good and exactly what we need. The antithesis of Russball. I’m excited. 

Every decent manager seems to have at least one club where they were poor these days....