Ivan Juric - Official: Leaves Club

[badgerx16]

We hoped that Juric could get a different tune out of the squad, but all that happened was we went from beginners' keyboards to beginners' strings.

[OldNick]

26 minutes ago, trousers said:

Any prizes for those of us that were calling for Rusk and/or Lallana to be installed as caretaker for the rest of the season after Martin was sacked...?

No prize as it woud have been ridiculous to not have tried an experienced manager. It didnt work as Juric had the players yearning for Russ back and their total messed up minds as the muscle memory of playing negative pass back football. I hope Ruskcan somehow work his magic to get oneor 2 more points 

[East Kent Saint]

Unfortunately he couldn't get the players to perform but as the situation was so bad who could ?

[The Realist]

I find it strange that people say SR have continually made bad appointments and then list RM amongst those.  They guy did have success! He got us promoted at the first time of asking having inherited a dispirted team and united them.  I agree he didn't adapt his philosophy to keep us up but he wasn't a complete failure either.

Anyway, Rohl will be the new manager.  Don't know if that is the best choice.  I would not have a problem if Rosenior was appointed.  Either of these two for me.

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It said left not sacked on Sky so that was my interpretation as well.

Guardian report now says he was sacked

[goodymatt]

6 minutes ago, The Realist said:

I find it strange that people say SR have continually made bad appointments and then list RM amongst those.  They guy did have success! He got us promoted at the first time of asking having inherited a dispirted team and united them.  I agree he didn't adapt his philosophy to keep us up but he wasn't a complete failure either.

Anyway, Rohl will be the new manager.  Don't know if that is the best choice.  I would not have a problem if Rosenior was appointed.  Either of these two for me.

Agree, Martin was only a failure in the PL. 4th place wasn’t exactly our target but he got us up at the first attempt and that was success.

[miserableoldgit]

 

[Charlie Wayman]

7 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Guardian report now says he was sacked

Probably mutual disatisfaction. Bet he's glad to be out of this madhouse. He's probably still just about on the right side of sanity. I wish him well, he's had a rough ride not least from an unsympathethic press corp and fans who expected miracles form him. Good luck and thanks Ivan.

[CB Fry]

6 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Probably mutual disatisfaction. Bet he's glad to be out of this madhouse. He's probably still just about on the right side of sanity. I wish him well, he's had a rough ride not least from an unsympathethic press corp and fans who expected miracles form him. Good luck and thanks Ivan.

Couldn't be further from reality.

Pretty much all Saints fans thought we were down when he took over, none were "expecting miracles" just an improvement. And the "press corps" was what? Adam Blackmore softballing questions and the rest of the media not caring if we go up or down? We had a fortnight of every commentator going on about Death Metal but nothing at all since.

No "rough ride" on any level.

Edited 8 hours ago by CB Fry

[miserableoldgit]

3 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Probably mutual disatisfaction. Bet he's glad to be out of this madhouse. He's probably still just about on the right side of sanity. I wish him well, he's had a rough ride not least from an unsympathethic press corp and fans who expected miracles form him. Good luck and thanks Ivan.

I am not sure that any fans expected miracles from him. We were basically relegated before he came in. I was just hoping that he would steady the ship and get the team to perform to a more acceptable level. That didn't happen.....

[beatlesaint]

If Crook is correct (big IF, I know) that the players basically lost belief in Juric after just two training sessions that underlines what a gutless, pathetic bunch of overpaid twats they really are. Shift the blame off themselves at the first opportunity !

Pathetic.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by beatlesaint

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

17 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

If Crook is correct (big IF, I know) that the players basically lost belief in Juric after just two training sessions that underlines what a gutless, pathetic bunch of overpaid twats they really are. Shift the blame off themselves at the first opportunity !

Pathetic.

 

Especially as they were performing so brilliantly before he arrived. I'm sure the Flynn Downes situation is indicative of what was happening behind the scenes. I have a feeling he was selected as someone to come in and shake things up, to see if a stronger management style would work. Sadly, all that happened was the players seemed to have downed tools completely. The only ones who seemed to pick up (a bit) were those who were on the outside of the Martin regime looking in.

Edited 7 hours ago by Ivan Katalinic's 'tache

[Sir Ralph]

Guy was on a hiding to nothing. Feel sorry for him.

[Saint Billy]

2 hours ago, Lard said:

I genuinely have sympathy for Juric. He’s had a shit hand dealt him since the moment he arrived. 
ok he knew that, but all the same,seems a decent fella and suspect he could get a tune out of a better squad and given time. 
he inherited a clusterfuck. 

To be honest he carried on making the same mistakes as RM. I'm betting Rusk will get more out of them 

[OttawaSaint]

All I'm thinking about is next season. Yes Juric inherited a shit and dispirited team but I didn't want him anywhere near us next season. 

Relieved. Hope we get in someone capable of looking at what he has (whoever is left and he recruits) and THEN sets the formation tactics etc.

We've had too many come in with a system, shoehorn players, and then stubbornly stick to it. 

[trousers]

1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

Well if that was a dose of death metal football, we could all do with ambient chill out next! 

Didn't we already try that under Martin...?

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, Mr X said:

A bizarre appointment from day one!

 

What was bizarre about it? 
 

Turned out a failure, but it’s not as if they choose a bird, Franny Benali or someone who had never managed above league 1 before. Nothing “bizarre” about the appointment. 
 

I didnt meet anyone who thought he’d keep us up, but most expected an improvement. Personally, I preferred his philosophy to Lego head’s possession pony, but the results were pretty much the same. Didn't deserve  next season, so makes sense to part company now. 
 

[BotleySaint]

1 minute ago, OttawaSaint said:

We've had too many come in with a system, shoehorn players, and then stubbornly stick to it. 

That's what irritates me so much about the whole Juric debacle. We had Martin who rigidly stuck with a broken tactic. Then brought in Juric who rigidly stuck to a broken tactic. Literally both managers who seem to have no brain. 

[disconnect]

I liked his honesty and thought the switch was good to at least mean that we weren't playing favourites with certain players (and completely alienating others). Obviously some like Downes, Armstrong, Fraser and perhaps one or two others didn't like not being besties with their boss anymore, but bringing back in Sulemana and Onuachu were decent moves as two of our better players. However, the damage was already done and you could see the lack of confidence in some of the players since only getting 5 points in 16 matches from Martin's reign of arrogance which completely killed us. Would've taken a superstar to save us from that point.  

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

Thank God for that. Hate to say it but I did try and warn you when he was appointed. As usual, I was met with the same old response from the usual mob.

I was aware of Juric when he was linked with Saints in the past. I'd done my homework and translated many comments about him from supporters of his past clubs, and news articles about his poor conduct and bad relationships with players. There's plenty of material out there and very little of it is positive. 

If I was able to find out so much about him then how did our joke of a board not have alarm bells ringing?

The signs were there to see but a collection of idiots still went ahead and gave him the job. I don't know why I'm surprised really. They're the same idiots who employed Nathan Jones and Russell Martin. 

 

 

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What was bizarre about it? 
 

Turned out a failure, but it’s not as if they choose a bird, Franny Benali or someone who had never managed above league 1 before. Nothing “bizarre” about the appointment. 
 

I didnt meet anyone who thought he’d keep us up, but most expected an improvement. Personally, I preferred his philosophy to Lego head’s possession pony, but the results were pretty much the same. Didn't deserve  next season, so makes sense to part company now. 
 

You only had to look at his track record to see that it was a bizzare appointment that lacked any ambition. If that was the best option (which it wasn't at the time) then they should have just kept RM. 

[Zorba]

NEXT!!

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Probably mutual disatisfaction. Bet he's glad to be out of this madhouse. He's probably still just about on the right side of sanity. I wish him well, he's had a rough ride not least from an unsympathethic press corp and fans who expected miracles form him. Good luck and thanks Ivan.

The past few weeks he’s on record as saying that both he and the players have it easy at Southampton and in this country. And he’s said it more than once. He’s literally been telling everyone he’s not had a rough ride. 

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

2 hours ago, Miltonaggro said:

Well if that was a dose of death metal football, we could all do with ambient chill out next! 

Danny Rohl's Europop?

[AlexLaw76]

Well, this is a positive (new) start

[AlexLaw76]

14 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

The past few weeks he’s on record as saying that both he and the players have it easy at Southampton and in this country. And he’s said it more than once. He’s literally been telling everyone he’s not had a rough ride. 

Very true.

He was probably mistified at why the fans have been so compliant about it all.

[Edmonton Saint]

The Aribo centre-back and playing 3 right backs at once experiment means he deserved his fate. In saying that though , I’ll be happy to see the Frasers, Stephens, Armstrongs, Downes, Mccarthys of this world never play for Saints again. Gutless clowns.

[gecko]

As with all managers, I was hoping he'd do well. His history suggested he might be able to do so.

Martin needed to go, and we all needed confirmation that the players were crap regardless of the manager, so the Juric experiment puts both of those to rest i guess; although it might have been nice to see a manager who wasn't so religiously tied to one system.... In my eyes, he'll just be another guy who couldn't get a tune out of a squad not good enough for the Premier League.

Hard to know where we need to go from here; stick with most of these losers as they're probably good enough to get out of the Champ? knowing that we'll need to recruit much more effectively if we do win promotion again. Or bin loads of them off this summer, and start relatively anew. Don't know which offers a better long-term chance of staying in the Prem.

All eyes on Rusk to get us over the record points low, and Spors to kick off the championship revolution then...

[Miltonaggro]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Well, it can't get any worse.

So little faith in the chasmic depth of Sport Republic. 

[davefizzy14]

As much as I wanted Jurić to succeed when he was appointed, the right decision has been made now to part ways with him. Too many times over the last couple of months there have been questionable set ups of the team. Just one win in fourteen I think, is just not acceptable. Hope he finds another club back in Italy. Looking forward to seeing what Rusk and Lallana can do now for the rest of the season. 

[OldNick]

48 minutes ago, Edmonton Saint said:

 the Frasers, Stephens, Armstrongs, Downes, Mccarthys of this world never play for Saints again. Gutless clowns.

I feel you are out of order calling those players gutless clowns , they may not be the most talented but they had the fibre to get us up on the red hot pressure of the play oofs. Be unkind for their ability but their courage cannot and should not be faulted IMO

[ApprenticeBillionaire]

3 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Well, it can't get any worse.

SportsRepublic says hold my drink

[OldNick]

6 minutes ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

SportsRepublic says hold my drink

especially as I read that SR have taken note of Frank Lampard !!!

[saintwbu]

1 hour ago, Edmonton Saint said:

The Aribo centre-back and playing 3 right backs at once experiment means he deserved his fate. In saying that though , I’ll be happy to see the Frasers, Stephens, Armstrongs, Downes, Mccarthys of this world never play for Saints again. Gutless clowns.

The first time we’ve so much as resembled a Premier League team under him was with Downes and Stephens back against Palace mid-week, so maybe he should’ve played them more and not the utter shite who don’t get criticised like THB. 

[Ted Bates Statue]

1 hour ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

Hate to say it but I did try and warn you when he was appointed. As usual, I was met with the same old response from the usual mob.

 

 

I remember your posts on Nathan Jones (and the response) but not Ivan Juric.

Appreciate there can be a delay before things coming to pass, so maybe your warnings over Juric got lost in the post, similar to how Lallana has only just learned about his new role as player-coach which you informed us of last summer 😉

[Toadhall Saint]

No surprises- I was hoping he could set us up defensively but he was not capable add to that some absolutely bizarre formations and I’m surprised he lasted as long as he did.

[Saint86]

4 hours ago, The Realist said:

I find it strange that people say SR have continually made bad appointments and then list RM amongst those.  They guy did have success! He got us promoted at the first time of asking having inherited a dispirted team and united them.  I agree he didn't adapt his philosophy to keep us up but he wasn't a complete failure either.

Anyway, Rohl will be the new manager.  Don't know if that is the best choice.  I would not have a problem if Rosenior was appointed.  Either of these two for me.

People can't have it both ways on Martin.

1.) He was a manager who was going to play his style of football for his own sake, regardless of what it meant for his club's performances.

2.) His style of football was flawed, giving away far to many chances to the opposition albeit at times we were very pleasing on the eye.

I would say we got away with it in the championship last time because we had one of the best squads. The end. I would probably give him an average score for promotion. 4 teams could have gone up in 3 spots, and he got the last of those spots. Fair play - and thank you to him for a great day out at Wembley and a season as a whole. But equally, if we hadn't got promoted you could only view last season as a failure. He then showed in the premier league that he was going to refuse to change, and that he would quite happily continue losing with his style than to adapt and try to grind out points. Similarly, last season there were warning signs of this attitude, where we were shocking and didn't make any kind of change.

In summary then, i think the people that highlight martin as a sign of great recruitment are incorrect. Neither Wilcox nor Martin were great appointments, they were average. (Jury out of Wilcox frankly - not left a great legacy, our recruitment last year was suspect re building for the prem, his manager couldn't hack it in the prem, and he pissed off the first chance he had).

What i will say for Sports Republic, is that Wilcox demonstrated and acknowledgement that they were out of their depth and needed an experienced person to head up the recruitment side of the club. Lets hope Spors will prove better than average and that he'll stick around - its badly needed.

Also not convinced Rohl is going to be the best man, but he's done a decent enough job at Wednesday, and he was Ralph's deputy during a decent period. Can saints afford another philosophy manager though? Or is it time to be realistic and get someone like cooper, get promoted, get established, and then start faffing around with styles and philosophies (aka Brighton).

 

[SaintsBarry74]

5 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Well, it can't get any worse.

After that first 9-0, I thought I'd seen it all... turns out, that was just the opening act.

[Chez]

2 hours ago, gecko said:

 

All eyes on Rusk to get us over the record points low, and Spors to kick off the championship revolution then...

if the Fulham game is anything to go by, expect 11 behind the ball with the aim of not conceding.

[Eric The Red]

Just now, Chez said:

if the Fulham game is anything to go by, expect 11 behind the ball with the aim of not conceding.

Well 2 nil nil draws will do us. 

[Chez]

the bbc website has a poll about wether martin should have been sacked - 62% suggest the club was wrong to sack Martin even though we would be relegated anyway, 27% say yes we were right to sack martin but wrong man appointed to replace him.

[Chez]

3 minutes ago, Eric The Red said:

Well 2 nil nil draws will do us. 

aha, but will any of the seven teams play as badly as Fulham did when he was at the helm last time. we were terrible.

to be fair, at that point we were on our knees after the the Spurs nightmare. perhaps we are in a better place, marginally.

[Cabrone]

He inherited a car crash and failed to improve it.

Despite his bad record IMO this season is on RM, he started the nose dive whilst Juric couldn't pull us out.

That said the people who deserve to be sacked more than anyone are SR but we are stuck with them.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

6 hours ago, trousers said:

Yay... My first ever "told you so" award! 😂 

I told you, you'd get one. 🙂

[USaintA]

Arguably the 3rd best Ivan Saints have ever employed.

[Oisin]

3 hours ago, Saint86 said:

People can't have it both ways on Martin.

1.) He was a manager who was going to play his style of football for his own sake, regardless of what it meant for his club's performances.

2.) His style of football was flawed, giving away far to many chances to the opposition albeit at times we were very pleasing on the eye.

I would say we got away with it in the championship last time because we had one of the best squads. The end. I would probably give him an average score for promotion. 4 teams could have gone up in 3 spots, and he got the last of those spots. Fair play - and thank you to him for a great day out at Wembley and a season as a whole. But equally, if we hadn't got promoted you could only view last season as a failure. He then showed in the premier league that he was going to refuse to change, and that he would quite happily continue losing with his style than to adapt and try to grind out points. Similarly, last season there were warning signs of this attitude, where we were shocking and didn't make any kind of change.

In summary then, i think the people that highlight martin as a sign of great recruitment are incorrect. Neither Wilcox nor Martin were great appointments, they were average. (Jury out of Wilcox frankly - not left a great legacy, our recruitment last year was suspect re building for the prem, his manager couldn't hack it in the prem, and he pissed off the first chance he had).

What i will say for Sports Republic, is that Wilcox demonstrated and acknowledgement that they were out of their depth and needed an experienced person to head up the recruitment side of the club. Lets hope Spors will prove better than average and that he'll stick around - its badly needed.

Also not convinced Rohl is going to be the best man, but he's done a decent enough job at Wednesday, and he was Ralph's deputy during a decent period. Can saints afford another philosophy manager though? Or is it time to be realistic and get someone like cooper, get promoted, get established, and then start faffing around with styles and philosophies (aka Brighton).

 

Agree with your assessment of RM but not sure you’re correct in Rohl being another philosophy manager. He does have a playing style it’s true, but so do most coaches (it’s also a style I like and I think most of us generally enjoyed under Ralph).

However, Rohl is tactically flexible, having played 3 at the back, 4231 (mostly), and also 433 and 442. He seems able and prepared to flex to accommodate both what he has available and what the opposition or game situation dictates. He is absolutely not intransigent in the way both RM and IJ have been.

The Wednesday fans love him and there’s a lot to like here - whether it happens and whether he’s successful if it does is clearly not guaranteed, but I’d be far more excited about him being appointed than I have been about any appointments since Ralph.

[madge]

I liked juric for his honesty and that he wasn’t prepared to take any shit from what appears to be a mentally weak squad of players who were disappointed to see Martin leave. He  had no hope really as the squad had completely gone. Juric tried different things, some were odd but I suppose he tried a different formula. His career won’t be defined by the shit show at saints. He seemed a decent bloke and wish him luck. Sports republic though have destroyed this club. Alex crook completely nailed it when he said Rasmus Ankerson had broken SFC, Ankerson should be absolutely destroyed by our fan base if he ever attends a game here again.