The Great Escape 2025

[Toussaint]

Well?…

I’m irrationally positive now we have rid ourselves of the footballing dementor. The second half against Liverpool shows what can be done if effort and positivity are applied, “hard work beats talent” etc. realistically it may not beat it but it does give you a much better chance. I think we’ll see more of that under Juric.
 

Hopefully we’ll rid ourselves of some of the deadwood and make a decent signing or two in the January window.

 

it ain’t over ‘till it’s over. 
 

in Ivan we trust. 

[CB Fry]

We need to win 8 in half a season. We might have a flurry but we're not going to do that.

[Pwoite]

7 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We need to win 8 in half a season. We might have a flurry but we're not going to do that.

Actually, there are 22 games left. What do we need, say, 37 points, so 32 more. With eight wins we’d also need eight draws, or in other words, lose no more than six……….we’re not going to do that.

[NewYorkSaint]

9 wins, 5 draws, 8 losses...     it's hard to remember what it's like being on a winning streak, but stranger things have happened. 

[ErwinK1961]

We’ve got 6 homes games that we would have to win all of you’d think if we were to have a chance - West Ham, Brentford, Wolves, Palace, Bompey and Fulham. Plus Ipswich and Leicester away. That ain’t going to happen.

Not forgetting that our squad is pretty crap for this level.

Edited 21 December, 2024 by ErwinK1961

[trousers]

[Doctoroncall]

Depends on how shit the other relegation candidates get to lower the points needed for 17th place. But I just can’t see an imminently successful turnaround over the next 22 games. The change in Manager was too late. 

[Harry_SFC]

27 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We need to win 8 in half a season. We might have a flurry but we're not going to do that.

Agreed. The best thing we can do as a fan base is accept we are going to get relegated. Pressure off and hopefully we can enjoy a few more wins and better performances between now and the end of the season. It's a real shame but that's on SR for total mismanagement yet again. 

Edited 21 December, 2024 by Harry_SFC

[Lighthouse]

15-20 points is probably on the optimistic end of a reasonable-ish prediction for this season (total, including the 5 we have so far). Staying up would probably require 35 ish, so 30 from 22 games looks highly unlikely. I’m not asking anyone to like Martin but I think some people are grossly overestimating the achievements he was holding us back from.

[Toadhall Saint]

Too late 

[Football Special]

We are down, come on we've all known that for a while, unfortunately it's also looking likely we get a local derby next year as well, dopey skates singing about it already 

[skintsaint]

[SambaMaverick]

No

[AlexLaw76]

it was over away to Bournemouth, in all honesty

[Tamesaint]

Remember.... Its the hope that kills you. 

[OldNick]

31 minutes ago, Football Special said:

dopey skates singing about it already 

I think it goes 2 ways as the Northam were singing 'we're coming for you' the other day

[SaintStinger]

I know were doomed, but I would really like to avoid this list so 20 points is the minimum.

https://theanalyst.com/2024/09/lowest-points-totals-in-premier-league-history

[Football Special]

16 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I think it goes 2 ways as the Northam were singing 'we're coming for you' the other day

I'd suggest that's a tongue in cheek way of singing we're going down, gallows humour, whereas they are starting to foam at the mouth at the prospect of playing us on equal terms for the first time in 13 years 

[Saint_clark]

10 wins and we stay up. After tomorrow it's only 9.

[EssEffCee]

1 hour ago, Football Special said:

We are down, come on we've all known that for a while, unfortunately it's also looking likely we get a local derby next year as well, dopey skates singing about it already 

Why wouldn't they? 

[SNSUN]

[East Kent Saint]

In the great escape although there was a mass out break only 3 made it home . 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Lego head has well and truly fucked us. We might catch Ipswich, but we ain’t catching 2 others. Had Mr “I’m not here to grind out results” ground out another 3 or 4 points I’d say it was possible, but there’s no chance unless somebody suddenly does a Saganowski and has a remarkable run of scoring.  

[coalman]

2 hours ago, Toussaint said:

Well?…

I’m irrationally positive now we have rid ourselves of the footballing dementor. The second half against Liverpool shows what can be done if effort and positivity are applied, “hard work beats talent” etc. realistically it may not beat it but it does give you a much better chance. I think we’ll see more of that under Juric.
 

Hopefully we’ll rid ourselves of some of the deadwood and make a decent signing or two in the January window.

 

it ain’t over ‘till it’s over. 
 

in Ivan we trust. 

I'm so here for this.

[SNSUN]

7 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Lego head has well and truly fucked us. We might catch Ipswich, but we ain’t catching 2 others. Had Mr “I’m not here to grind out results” ground out another 3 or 4 points I’d say it was possible, but there’s no chance unless somebody suddenly does a Saganowski and has a remarkable run of scoring.  

And even then we need our leaky defence to suddenly start performing as a unit and stop the individual mistakes.

All I'm hoping for is to just see improvement. It won't be enough but improvement would be not hitting Derbyesque levels of shiteness.  I'd like to see us drag ourselves off the floor and at least get close... especially if we suddenly find out teams get points deductions and suddenly we're right back into the mixer for safety. 

False hope would suck but id take it. As it stands at least we know we're down but hypothetically it'd be worse to see others get points deductions and suddenly realise a bit of an improvement could have seen us safe.

Clinging to straws a bit there with the points deductions but still, we can dream.

[macca155]

Bookies will give you excellent odds and happily take your money.

With 22 games left its obviously possible, but it's not happening is it.

It needs a major uplift in form and at least 3 of the other 4 contenders, to be as as abysmal as Saints. You can guarantee they'll all conspire to keep Saints exactly where they are. Watch the suspicious draws to start appearing.

Everton have a 10 point advantage already. That takes the pressure off them a bit. Real scrap will probably be between Wolves and Leicester.

I'd say getting more than 20 is a suitably ambitious target and try to avoid finishing last.

At the very least go into next season with some hope and a better plan than this year.

[CB Fry]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I’m not asking anyone to like Martin but I think some people are grossly overestimating the achievements he was holding us back from.

We just wanted to be in the mix. You know, like Ipswich. Or are we going to pretend that was some unreasonable impossible dream.

[Wsaint]

We're 5000/1 to win the league with William hill... Worth a quid.

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, Pwoite said:

Actually, there are 22 games left. What do we need, say, 37 points, so 32 more. With eight wins we’d also need eight draws, or in other words, lose no more than six……….we’re not going to do that.

Or.. Increase our current average from 0.313 points per game to 1.46 per game.

Doesn't seem achievable.

[Lord Duckhunter]

24 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We just wanted to be in the mix. You know, like Ipswich. Or are we going to pretend that was some unreasonable impossible dream.

You know exactly what’s going to happen. Every mistake, every loss, the posters that supported Martin will be banging the same old tune, “its the players”, “not Russ’ fault”, “cant coach this lot”, Of course, “scar tissue” won’t be an issue, that’s healed already. Fulham away, piece of piss, can’t believe he hasn’t turned it round yet…

[coalman]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You know exactly what’s going to happen. Every mistake, every loss, the posters that supported Martin will be banging the same old tune, “its the players”, “not Russ’ fault”, “cant coach this lot”, Of course, “scar tissue” won’t be an issue, that’s healed already. Fulham away, piece of piss, can’t believe he hasn’t turned it round yet…

They just miss the free scoring dominant football they became used to under Martin.

[Toadhall Saint]

45 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We just wanted to be in the mix. You know, like Ipswich. Or are we going to pretend that was some unreasonable impossible dream.

I thought we would get relegated before a ball was kicked this season but I did expect us to compete. 

[Topcat]

3 hours ago, Doctoroncall said:

The change in Manager was too late. 

Sad but true.

[CB Fry]

39 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You know exactly what’s going to happen. Every mistake, every loss, the posters that supported Martin will be banging the same old tune, “its the players”, “not Russ’ fault”, “cant coach this lot”, Of course, “scar tissue” won’t be an issue, that’s healed already. Fulham away, piece of piss, can’t believe he hasn’t turned it round yet…

100%.

You can see the Martinettes on this forum positioning themselves on here already.

All of a sudden the poor results and shit football that they have been brushing off and disregarding all season...all of a sudden they are going to be outraged. Defeats will suddenly be a bad thing after all because their boy isn't in charge.

We are getting relegated we all know we are, and that is on Russell Martin. Russell Martin has relegated us before Christmas. Russell Martin.

Just a few divs on here will be working overtime to pin it on the new guy.

Edited 21 December, 2024 by CB Fry

[LGTL]

We’ve more chance of winning the league then avoiding relegation. In other words, there’s zero chance. 

And that is down to absolutely nobody other than Russell Martin. 

[Cabrone]

Leicester are 4th to bottom and they look on track for 35 points.

Therefore for Saints to get 30 from 22 games is the form of a 51 point season.

If the new guy manages that then he'd have performed miracles.

Personally if we could get 20-25 points I'd be happy. It would also prove that RM was always the problem. We'll find out in time.

[LGTL]

Any more than 10 points after 32 games and Juric has proved that Russ was an absolute fucking disaster. 

[St. Ciervo]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

it was over away to Bournemouth, in all honesty

This is surprisingly positive of you. I would have expected you to say after Newcastle...maybe even sooner.

[AlexLaw76]

9 minutes ago, St. Ciervo said:

This is surprisingly positive of you. I would have expected you to say after Newcastle...maybe even sooner.

It was obvious to many that Martin would do incredibly well to last the season. 

[Harry_SFC]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

It was obvious to many that Martin would do incredibly well to last the season. 

I think most of us predicted Russball wouldn't work in the Premier League but it would've been fair for the board to give him 10 games after he ultimately got us up (just about). At that point we had 1 point I believe - had to go then. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

The entire squad could grow Franny 'taches and we'd still not be likely to escape this.

Needs others to slump, possibly with some points deductions, and us to have a massive uptick in form.

As posted, if they were going to do it, with a hope of staying up, then that time was 6 weeks ago at least.

Edited 21 December, 2024 by Holmes_and_Watson

[ButtikonSaint]

if we stay up, I'll gladly surf on that great escape wave...
If we're going down, I'll support them next year in the Championship.

Irrespective, I want for that team to give a fuck and try their best until then.
Best of luck and welcome Mr Juric.

[Dark Munster]

1 hour ago, LGTL said:

We’ve more chance of winning the league then avoiding relegation. In other words, there’s zero chance. 

And that is down to absolutely nobody other than Russell Martin Ramsus Ankersen. 

Corrected it for you.

Anyone in charge with more than one brain cell would've sacked RM after the Bournemouth debacle. As it was, he kept him on way past the point of no return, and if reports are true would've kept him on after the Spurs disaster but for Dragan's intervention.

Edited 21 December, 2024 by Dark Munster

[ButtikonSaint]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

100%.

You can see the Martinettes on this forum positioning themselves on here already.

All of a sudden the poor results and shit football that they have been brushing off and disregarding all season...all of a sudden they are going to be outraged. Defeats will suddenly be a bad thing after all because their boy isn't in charge.

We are getting relegated we all know we are, and that is on Russell Martin. Russell Martin has relegated us before Christmas. Russell Martin.

Just a few divs on here will be working overtime to pin it on the new guy.

Not making any excuses for RM but unsure you can pin it all to one guy. I'd add the Board,  senior management as well as the coaching and playing staff for our current mess. All share some responsibility whether it was the appointment, replacement or sacking of the Manager, Director of Football (anyone?) or coaching staff (is Juric bringing anyone?) , the poor recruitment, bad preparations, indiscipline or lack of effort. 

It's so hard to run such an enterprise. When the chips are down, I'd be looking for hard graft, ideas and ownership from my senior team. I don't think we've seen a lot of that in the past few months.

Let's hope for better soon.

Edited 21 December, 2024 by ButtikonSaint

[Lighthouse]

3 hours ago, CB Fry said:

We just wanted to be in the mix. You know, like Ipswich. Or are we going to pretend that was some unreasonable impossible dream.

We’ll find out over the next 22 games I guess.

[CB Fry]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

We’ll find out over the next 22 games I guess.

You want the whole season to play out before you decide that Saints fans expecting us to do as well as Ipswich (2 wins, tonked 4 nil at home this afternoon) was an unreasonable impossible dream? 

Ok then.

Edited 21 December, 2024 by CB Fry

[Suhari]

As above: the change is too late to save us from the drop.

Give me energy, attacking intent, organisation, and genuine effort. If I see that, I'm happy. 

Then we regroup and go again next season.

[aintforever]

4 hours ago, CB Fry said:

100%.

You can see the Martinettes on this forum positioning themselves on here already.

All of a sudden the poor results and shit football that they have been brushing off and disregarding all season...all of a sudden they are going to be outraged. Defeats will suddenly be a bad thing after all because their boy isn't in charge.

We are getting relegated we all know we are, and that is on Russell Martin. Russell Martin has relegated us before Christmas. Russell Martin.

Just a few divs on here will be working overtime to pin it on the new guy.

Fuck me, you need to get out more. Do you really care that much what people post on here. 
 

Martinettes  

[Dry Toast]

As long as we can get more points than Derby so we don't set yet another record, in my eyes, it won't be a total disaster of a season. Just.

Getting a little bit of pride back, instead of borderline shame wouldn't go amiss either. Welcome Ivan Jurić and good luck.

[benjii]

As others have said, we likely need 30 more points to stay up. Possibly 31 or 32.

Not going to happen.

What we do need to do is get a bit of pride back. And win the FA Cup. That'll do.