What situations can the fans accept with the new manager?

[Nolan]

To state the obvious, as of this morning, we are 9 points from safety with 22 games to go.

As we look to acquire a new manager, what can we accept for the new manager to achieve?

22 games is a long time in football. Can the fan base cope with us continually losing in the league and accept the new manager is for another championship rebuild while losing?

If a new manager is looking at the club now thinking its a situation that will affect his stats, why would he come?

What can you accept?

 

 

 

[Saint_Jonny]

Our bunch of entitled, chip on the shoulder, knuckle dragging retards won't accept the inevitable relegation and succession of losses that come with it. Saints were promoted before they were even close to being able to compete in the premier league and our squad reflects that fact, it's absolutely miles away from being able to compete, say what you want about tactics - this turd will not be polished. 

Football fans want to blame an individual, the next manager is on a hiding to nothing. 

[Wade Garrett]

Just a team we can get behind will do.  

 

[Give it to Ron]

11 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

Our bunch of entitled, chip on the shoulder, knuckle dragging retards won't accept the inevitable relegation and succession of losses that come with it. Saints were promoted before they were even close to being able to compete in the premier league and our squad reflects that fact, it's absolutely miles away from being able to compete, say what you want about tactics - this turd will not be polished. 

Football fans want to blame an individual, the next manager is on a hiding to nothing. 

You are a lovely person- just because some of us won’t accept a clown out of his depth. You were happy with the U shape formation, no forwards versus Bournemouth, Sullemana last night, dropping best performers, no shots on targets some of us knuckle draggers have standards.

Enjoy your ivory tower 

[Turkish]

44 minutes ago, Nolan said:

To state the obvious, as of this morning, we are 9 points from safety with 22 games to go.

As we look to acquire a new manager, what can we accept for the new manager to achieve?

22 games is a long time in football. Can the fan base cope with us continually losing in the league and accept the new manager is for another championship rebuild while losing?

If a new manager is looking at the club now thinking its a situation that will affect his stats, why would he come?

What can you accept?

 

 

 

With our goal difference it’s 10, we’re probably going to need around 30 more points to have a chance from 22 games, not happening. Relegation is pretty much certain so it’s either a manager until the end of the season or being one in now to give it a go but accept now it’s about going again next season In the championship.

it should be about going back to basics. No one appointed by data analysis alone or philosophies or any other nonsense. Build a team from the back that’s hard to beat based on a core of experienced players and build the rest around them. Let’s stop trying to reinvent the game and do what’s been tried and tested over the previous 150 years of ir

[Whitey Grandad]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

With our goal difference it’s 10, we’re probably going to need around 30 more points to have a chance from 22 games, not happening. Relegation is pretty much certain so it’s either a manager until the end of the season or being one in now to give it a go but accept now it’s about going again next season In the championship.

it should be about going back to basics. No one appointed by data analysis alone or philosophies or any other nonsense. Build a team from the back that’s hard to beat based on a core of experienced players and build the rest around them. Let’s stop trying to reinvent the game and do what’s been tried and tested over the previous 150 years of ir

If by some miracle we were to go on a winning streak the goal difference would improve but we might need a few five goal wins in there to help it along. 

[a1ex2001]

I’ll be happy if the team look fitter, harder to beat and we go forward with intent.  I fully accept we are relegated but if Sheffield united can go down in an utter shambles and now stand top of the league then so can we!

[CB Fry]

58 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

Saints were promoted before they were even close to being able to compete in the premier league and our squad reflects that fact,

This premise is absolute horseshit, favoured by a handful of simpletons on here.

You don't build a squad to "compete in the Premier League" by staying and staying and staying in the Championship.

Get promoted as soon as possible and then work to stay in it. Like Ipswich and Leicester this season who may or may not stay up, but they are solidly in the mix.

When we go back down are you proposing we conspire to stay down there until at least August 2027? That would be preferable? What good will it do us? What good is it doing Leeds right now?

 

[LGTL]

Relegation is a certainty so I’ll be judging on the following;

Firstly - beat Derby’s record low points total. That has to be a priority because we’d never live that down. 

No stupid philosophies. Having a preferred method of playing is fine but they’ve got to be able to mix it up for the players we have. 

Make us hard to beat. Or at least harder to beat. At the moment teams are playing their youth players against us and still sticking 5 past us FFS. 

Stop trying to be too clever and stop thinking we invented football.

And, you know, maybe win a couple of games?

 

[Chewy]

It’s about next season for me - we’re down. Spend the rest of the season drilling the defense so we’re hard to beat and getting us fit.
I don’t want any money wasted this January either unless it’s on the defensive leader we’ve been lacking since Fonte left, or the striker we’ve needed since Ings departed. And given our predicament neither of those are happening.

I’d also like some game time given to some of the young forwards, SAA, maybe a Robinson or Dipepa if they’re anywhere near. Makes financial sense too (pl appearances inflate prices).
I’d like the people we want rid of to be left out of all match day squads so they and their agents know there’s only one option to pursue in the summer.
Basically I’d like us to treat the next 6 months as a very long pre season where we focus on nailing the defence.

 

[Miltonaggro]

11 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

This premise is absolute horseshit, favoured by a handful of simpletons on here.

You don't build a squad to "compete in the Premier League" by staying and staying and staying in the Championship.

Get promoted as soon as possible and then work to stay in it. Like Ipswich and Leicester this season who may or may not stay up, but they are solidly in the mix.

When we go back down are you proposing we conspire to stay down there until at least August 2027? That would be preferable? What good will it do us? What good is it doing Leeds right now?

 

Don’t worry, what passes for the forum intelligentsia will be sore this morning, even those keeping it under better control. A hatrick of failures called out early by the ‘knuckle draggers’ must wound the collective ego, even when there are only half a dozen of you in the monks’ chain. 

[Sheaf Saint]

In previous relegation battles over the years, the minimum expectation put on a new manager coming in mid-season would have been to do whatever it takes to get to 17th place. But that ship left Southampton docks a long time ago, and nobody - not even a Pep or Klopp - could realistically be blamed if they failed to achieve that this season.

So what would I/we expect or accept from the new manager? A bit of fight and pride in the shirt, along with some semblance of defensive organisation and tactical flexibility, and some indication that we might actually be competitive in the Championship next season.

Is that really too much to ask?

[Miltonaggro]

1 hour ago, Nolan said:

To state the obvious, as of this morning, we are 9 points from safety with 22 games to go.

As we look to acquire a new manager, what can we accept for the new manager to achieve?

22 games is a long time in football. Can the fan base cope with us continually losing in the league and accept the new manager is for another championship rebuild while losing?

If a new manager is looking at the club now thinking its a situation that will affect his stats, why would he come?

What can you accept?

 

 

 

My preference, as when Hassenhutl was dismissed, would be someone to stabilise the club, a person with some charisma, presence and energy who can make Saints competitive again, work in the here and now. It’s more a case of acceptance by this seemingly naive board rather than the long-suffering support, can sport republic move from their obsession with over thinking and trying to reinvent the wheel, and show some pragmatism? What we can’t have is another work experience appointment as manager to underwrite our work experience boardroom, don’t necessarily shy away from older more experienced heads looking for a new challenge. A Strachan ‘type’ appointment would probably suit us best right now, but no obvious candidates of this ilk spring to mind. There is some genuine talent in this squad, and with a couple of solid additions in the opening window aligning to the new man’s set up we might yet surprise a few people in terms of fight left in the old dog - manager, team and support. 

Edited Monday at 08:48 by Miltonaggro

[bangkoksaint]

I’d get rid of those that don’t want to be here next year in January and look at building a spine in the games we have left. Prep is key so let’s not waste it like mad Nate did in the WC break.

[Lighthouse]

I just want to scrape enough points to beat Derby's record. That's it really.

[Saint_Jonny]

56 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

This premise is absolute horseshit, favoured by a handful of simpletons on here.

You don't build a squad to "compete in the Premier League" by staying and staying and staying in the Championship.

Get promoted as soon as possible and then work to stay in it. Like Ipswich and Leicester this season who may or may not stay up, but they are solidly in the mix.

When we go back down are you proposing we conspire to stay down there until at least August 2027? That would be preferable? What good will it do us? What good is it doing Leeds right now?

 

The recruitment and planning for this season has been a cluster fuck from top to bottom - we signed two players from a shit Sheffield United team FFS - I am in total agreement with you that it's not been good enough at all levels. I am just 100% certain that whoever comes in will get about 10 inches of rope to hang themselves with so it is all utterly pointless from the PoV of "getting the fans onside" - Martin needed to go, the situation was untenable - the next guy won't get the time he needs or the backing of the fans. Maybe you, or some other "non-simpletons" will stick with him with understanding, but the bulk of match going rageaholics won't give him the time of day. Football is a cesspit of anger, demand for instant results and grown men acting like toddlers. 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, LGTL said:

Relegation is a certainty so I’ll be judging on the following;

Firstly - beat Derby’s record low points total. That has to be a priority because we’d never live that down. 

No stupid philosophies. Having a preferred method of playing is fine but they’ve got to be able to mix it up for the players we have. 

Make us hard to beat. Or at least harder to beat. At the moment teams are playing their youth players against us and still sticking 5 past us FFS. 

Stop trying to be too clever and stop thinking we invented football.

And, you know, maybe win a couple of games?

 

This basically. I'd like us to end up closer to 17th than we are right now if possible. I'd like someone who can organise a defence and maybe eke out a 1-0 win or two. Like you say, being able to change tactics if something isn't working is vital. I'd also add more consistency with players. Dropping Aribo for example when he was playing well and scored, having a different backline every week, Amo Ameyew looking like our best player in preseason and then barely getting any game time, Onuachu never getting a look in for months when he looked a decent option. 

[Dusic]

Would be very disappointing if they didnt already have someone lined up in a similar way to Wolves.

Imagine it will become clearer pretty quickly because ince Liverpool is done we have a little run thats one of the kinder spells of the season and if there is any chance (there isn't of course) then whoever comes in would need a couple of wins straight up.

Personally hope we favour a manager who is more based on intensity as think thats the best leveller at this level, but equally we won't be here for long so if its a long term appointment then has to be someone we think can bring us straight back - probably competing against Selles and wherever RM ends up!

Short term til end of season and reasses with fresh start and someone who isnt tainted with a relegation probably most likely IMO.

[Dman]

First target is to beat Beat Derby’s record asap. Something Martin wasn’t going to do. 

Most are sensible enough to understand we’ve probably not got the side to stay up especially being soo far adrift now. I’d like to see someone come in and give us a bit of fight. Someone who is willing to accept than in all likelihood he’l be managing in the championship next season but he’ll have a bloody good championship side and a chance to bounce back stronger. 

I wouldn’t mind someone to get more out of the likes of Sulemana, tall Paul etc. and fuck the Martin fn boys (Fraser, Armstrong, Stephen etc.)

[revolution saint]

Top half finish and Europa league spot should be the aim.  I'd probably accept that.

[Give it to Ron]

19 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

The recruitment and planning for this season has been a cluster fuck from top to bottom - we signed two players from a shit Sheffield United team FFS - I am in total agreement with you that it's not been good enough at all levels. I am just 100% certain that whoever comes in will get about 10 inches of rope to hang themselves with so it is all utterly pointless from the PoV of "getting the fans onside" - Martin needed to go, the situation was untenable - the next guy won't get the time he needs or the backing of the fans. Maybe you, or some other "non-simpletons" will stick with him with understanding, but the bulk of match going rageaholics won't give him the time of day. Football is a cesspit of anger, demand for instant results and grown men acting like toddlers. 

Cesspit of anger - you certainly are - go have a cup of tea and lie down Lucy 

[Gloucester Saint]

Something I would more than accept is a manager who tells Rasmus to keep his nose out and insists on the final and 100% say on all recruitment of players. A new DoF as well, Bitcon is a Rasmus lackey and a plastic Xmas tree pretending to be a Norwegian spruce. We might actually end up with a better player transfer success rate of 1 in 10 and be able to fit the first team squad into a single dressing room, which would be a novelty under SR.

Edited Monday at 09:39 by Gloucester Saint

[Chez]

6 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

I’ll be happy if the team look fitter, harder to beat and we go forward with intent.  I fully accept we are relegated but if Sheffield united can go down in an utter shambles and now stand top of the league then so can we!

Remind me. When they appointed Wilder, was it obviously for a run at the championship the following season or was there any Prem life left in them?

 

[los_saint]

7 hours ago, Give it to Ron said:

You are a lovely person- just because some of us won’t accept a clown out of his depth. You were happy with the U shape formation, no forwards versus Bournemouth, Sullemana last night, dropping best performers, no shots on targets some of us knuckle draggers have standards.

Enjoy your ivory tower 

Not always that nice on here, is it?

[ErwinK1961]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

Remind me. When they appointed Wilder, was it obviously for a run at the championship the following season or was there any Prem life left in them?

 

He rejoined on 5th December - when they had 5 points from 14 games… after a 5-0 defeat to Burnley… hang on a minute.

[RedArmy]

Would just be nice to not look like we’re in a cup game as the plucky underdog every weekend. 

[Gingeletiss]

I can accept relegation (championship is better anyway), but I am hoping for a more spirited approach to the rest of our games, by that, I mean to actually attack the opposition, and shoot.

[Turkish]

24 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Would just be nice to not look like we’re in a cup game as the plucky underdog every weekend. 

We haven't looked like that the last two home games. 

[Baird of the land]

More than 5 points in 16 games would be a start. At this point it's really about respectability rather than expecting a miraculous relegation escape from the new man.

Stylistically I want more pragmatism. I'll be depressed if its 'martin 2.0' possession.

[RedArmy]

23 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We haven't looked like that the last two home games. 

True we look like one of those teams from the arse end of the Baltic playing in the champions league. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

I think matching Ipswich & Leicesters points total for the remaining games is a reasonable ask. 
 

Not getting patronised by the bigger managers would also be a good start. Love to see some managers actually moaning about the way we play. 
 

Id like to see a few of Martin’s outsiders get a chance. Tall Paul, for one, Wood deserves a run to see if he’s better than THB & Bednarek. I’d like to see the Japanese bloke get a run of games and play as a full back. I’d like to see him coach Downes & install some fucking defensive midfield behaviours. BBD needs a go down the middle occasionally , Archer needs to be put into situations where he can use his pace. In short, I’d want the new bloke to manage the players and tactically set up to give us the best chance of grinding out results. 

[Cabrone]

Relegation is all but mathematically assured now but we can still go down with at least a 2nd half of the season that shows some team coherence, spirit, pride and determination.

The fans at least deserve that.

I don't want bs philosophies, I want a pragmatic and flexible manager that believes in an organised defence, a midfield capable of quickly bringing the ball forward and attackers that are willing to take their chances.

I want a team that looks much fitter than this one.

Finally I want to see a team that looks like it will be competitive in the championship.

[Whitey Grandad]

I want us to go down fighting. 

[GrumpyYorkshireSaint]

For the sake of our sanity please not another manager who proudly points at stats and spouts pure nonsense whilst we fail to actaully gain points! Whoever comes will be too well aware that relegation, whilst not a statisical certainty, is almost probably certain.

The squad will need to be divided into those that will stay for the next season and those who deem themselves above Championship level football (Against all proof to the contrary so far from most.) I'm not advocating a firesale of players but we will need to trim down whilst trying to keep some experience to mix with the youth. Use any funds raised to add some spine to the defence and bite to the attack, although if we gave some of the players a better run in the team they might actually be what we have needed.

The tactics will sort themselves out as the new manager imposes their style but if we could just actually attack it would be an improvement. We have attacking options but seem to have hammered into them the need to keep the ball and not shoot if there is a backwards or sideways pass available. 

Alas though for all our thoughts and opinions on this and all club matters it's down to Sports Republic so yeah....

[West end Saints]

13 hours ago, Miltonaggro said:

My preference, as when Hassenhutl was dismissed, would be someone to stabilise the club, a person with some charisma, presence and energy who can make Saints competitive again, work in the here and now. It’s more a case of acceptance by this seemingly naive board rather than the long-suffering support, can sport republic move from their obsession with over thinking and trying to reinvent the wheel, and show some pragmatism? What we can’t have is another work experience appointment as manager to underwrite our work experience boardroom, don’t necessarily shy away from older more experienced heads looking for a new challenge. A Strachan ‘type’ appointment would probably suit us best right now, but no obvious candidates of this ilk spring to mind. There is some genuine talent in this squad, and with a couple of solid additions in the opening window aligning to the new man’s set up we might yet surprise a few people in terms of fight left in the old dog - manager, team and support. 

This is why I don't tend to get too excited or annoyed with appointments - relegated and sacked struggling in the championship (from memory) hardly inspiring at the time!

[Patrick Bateman]

Long term appointment please. 

1. Aiming for 30 points (or as near as possible) I think is realistic. 

2. Not splashing the cash in January to stay up - I think we should accept the relegation and allow a manager (assuming it's a long term appointment) to start to shape the squad NOW for next year, hit the ground running in the summer

3. Not finish bottom.

4. Play some enteratining football.

5. FA Cup run.

6. Give one or more big teams a walloping. (I'll accept 3-0 as a walloping) 

[Nordic Saint]

BO and dandruff, but not alcoholism or a drug habit. OK, beggars can't be choosers: maybe alcoholism if she's not too drunk during training sessions.

[Stud mark of doom]

We’d need c30 points from 20 games - ie minor European qualification form. Realistically, no chance.

So planning for a promotion push next season seems the right plan - lots of good suggestions above. I’d be very happy to finish on around 25 points.

But - SR’s record at appointing managers (not to mention timing of then getting rid of them) is truly abysmal. 

interesting that two of the relegated teams from last season are doing well but the wheels seem to have come off at Luton. From memory, there was not much between all three last year and I thought Luton put up a much better fight than we currently are. Anything to learn there? 

 

[Toussaint]

22 hours ago, Saint_Jonny said:

The recruitment and planning for this season has been a cluster fuck from top to bottom - we signed two players from a shit Sheffield United team FFS - I am in total agreement with you that it's not been good enough at all levels. I am just 100% certain that whoever comes in will get about 10 inches of rope to hang themselves with so it is all utterly pointless from the PoV of "getting the fans onside" - Martin needed to go, the situation was untenable - the next guy won't get the time he needs or the backing of the fans. Maybe you, or some other "non-simpletons" will stick with him with understanding, but the bulk of match going rageaholics won't give him the time of day. Football is a cesspit of anger, demand for instant results and grown men acting like toddlers. 

You’re well off the mark and out of order in your berating of the fans in that way. Martin had phenomenal support, until probably the post match comments after the Villa aberration. I’ve been to the majority of away games this season and he has received tremendous support there also. He had to go. I don’t know what you are basing you’re opinions on, the frustrated rants on a forum?

[Lighthouse]

8 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Long term appointment please. 

1. Aiming for 30 points (or as near as possible) I think is realistic. 

2. Not splashing the cash in January to stay up - I think we should accept the relegation and allow a manager (assuming it's a long term appointment) to start to shape the squad NOW for next year, hit the ground running in the summer

3. Not finish bottom.

4. Play some enteratining football.

5. FA Cup run.

6. Give one or more big teams a walloping. (I'll accept 3-0 as a walloping) 

1. Never in a month of Sundays. We’ll do well to get 20.
2. Agree
3. A tall order
4. I wouldn’t get your hopes up, this isn’t a squad full of goals.
5. Depends entirely on the luck of the draw.
6. We might nick a 1-0 but I can’t see how we’d ever manage a walloping.

[Convict Colony]

Good question and I have given it some thought:

• Him parking in the disabled bay at the supermarket as he's run out of hob knobs for his tea and has to get back.
• Cutting in in a traffic jam and not thanking the driver as he is too important to ackowledge us peasants.
• Wearing green or red trousers.
• Shortening everyones name into nicknames - stevo, arma etc

My line in the sand though is

• Not doing fist pumps after we get battered away from home and win due to an own goal.

[Midfield_General]

I would like a manager who: 

- Thinks passing to a defender who is under pressure and a few yards away from his own goal is suicide, and tells his players not to do it 

- Doesn’t sneer at the concept of a newly-promoted team considering finding ways to ‘grind out results’, in order to put a few points on the board

Not too much to ask is it

Edited Tuesday at 11:14 by Midfield_General

[Saint_Jonny]

1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

You’re well off the mark and out of order in your berating of the fans in that way. Martin had phenomenal support, until probably the post match comments after the Villa aberration. I’ve been to the majority of away games this season and he has received tremendous support there also. He had to go. I don’t know what you are basing you’re opinions on, the frustrated rants on a forum?

Our home support is full of the kind of people I am describing in my posts. If you have managed to avoid being stuck near the sort of blokes that constantly moan, make shit jokes and whose banter goes down like a fart in an elevator every single week then my god, I want to sit where you sit. I moved this season from 39 to 46 after 11 seasons in the same seat and I find myself surrounded with Itchen North rejects who all think its 1992 and OK to shout some absolutely outrageous horseshit. That is where my disdain for Saints fans comes from, and it's not every single one of them, most are decent, I may have just been chronically unlucky to be stuck near some utter bellends year after year.

Cue the "how do you think they feel being stuck near you" posts

[Noodles34]

On 16/12/2024 at 08:10, CB Fry said:

This premise is absolute horseshit, favoured by a handful of simpletons on here.

You don't build a squad to "compete in the Premier League" by staying and staying and staying in the Championship.

Get promoted as soon as possible and then work to stay in it. Like Ipswich and Leicester this season who may or may not stay up, but they are solidly in the mix.

When we go back down are you proposing we conspire to stay down there until at least August 2027? That would be preferable? What good will it do us? What good is it doing Leeds right now?

 

I was just about to say this. people keep going on about coming up too soon an we needed a better squad to come up with. We were in the Championship with one of the best squads (and still managed to finish 4th) and we have the same now and it's not good enough. It will be the same for all teams every season, unless you're a massive team that goes down and keeps their players, a little bit like Newcastle a few years ago, you're never going to have a Championship team ready for the Prem. 

[Noodles34]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

1. Never in a month of Sundays. We’ll do well to get 20.
2. Agree
3. A tall order
4. I wouldn’t get your hopes up, this isn’t a squad full of goals.
5. Depends entirely on the luck of the draw.
6. We might nick a 1-0 but I can’t see how we’d ever manage a walloping.

If we get 30 points, we would stay up. 

Edited Tuesday at 10:52 by Noodles34

[ant]

Notwithstanding minor individual differences, this thread summarises to a pretty decent manifesto.

The 'brains' in charge would do well to heed it. We know the club monitors this site. 

Even if they only see us as customers, their customers are showing the will to accept a pretty low bar for satisfaction.

[Midfield_General]

14 minutes ago, ant said:

Notwithstanding minor individual differences, this thread summarises to a pretty decent manifesto.

The 'brains' in charge would do well to heed it. We know the club monitors this site. 

Even if they only see us as customers, their customers are showing the will to accept a pretty low bar for satisfaction.

Quite. I don't think we ask for much, despite hearing a few times that we are somehow deluded or entitled as a fanbase to expect better than the shit show that this season has been so far. 

The general gist seems to be that we've basically all accepted we're going to get relegated, and that's life, we just don't want to look like cunts doing it. 

Edited Tuesday at 11:24 by Midfield_General

[ant]

2 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Quite. I don't think we ask for much, despite hearing a few times that we are somehow deluded or entitled as a fanbase to expect better than the shit show that season has been so far. 

The general gist is that we've basically all accepted we're going to get relegated, we just don't want to look like cunts doing it. 

Whether in business or sport, to be a disruptor you need to spot an opportunity by identifying what established competitors have missed - then exploit it ruthlessly. 

The 'opportunity' we spotted is to take our pants down and wiggle our butts. It's pretty difficult to exploit when the establishment is exploiting you.

[CB Fry]

8 hours ago, Noodles34 said:

If we get 30 points, we would stay up. 

Probably true - It does feel like even the era even of 35/36 is over. 

But the only issue is if we end up with three clubs on mid twenties and then the team in 17th is on 36 points being miles ahead, almost with an unnecessary amount of points.

So we need four clubs adrift to give us a chance. Probably not happening.

(We're not staying up anyway, I've come to terms with it)

Edited Tuesday at 19:32 by CB Fry

[Wurzel]

All I'd ask for is a manager coming in, identify the strengths of individual players and play a first XI/formation based on the best of what we have instead of forcing players into positions/formations that don't suit them. And get them in for extra training so they can keep it up for 100 minutes every game.