The Reform Thread

[AlexLaw76]

7 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I must admit I’m enjoying the irony that one of this forums most ardent Reform supporters originally chose his user name as a piss take of one of what are now the current few Reform MPs. On the plus side, we aren’t likely to see Lord Lego Head any time soon.

Banter🙅‍♂️

[Holmes_and_Watson]

On 13/12/2024 at 11:38, hypochondriac said:

Young people today do not have enough respect for traditional British values- Bit of a generalisation but in general that is correct. 

 

Migrants coming to the United Kingdom across the English Channel should all be immediately removed from the United Kingdom and prevented from ever returning- 100% correct. No one jumping the queue and crossing the channel in that manner should be allowed to stay here. 

 

The sentences that the courts hand down to people who have been convicted of crimes are not harsh enough- Not sure about this. Again it's a generalisation but there are certainly some crimes that I think are punished too harshly whilst some are not punished harshly enough. 

 

Multiculturalism has made the UK worse - Not sure I entirely agree with this but undoubtedly there are a lot of examples of multiculturalism being a net negative in areas of the UK. Personally I would say the amount and rate introduced has been the issue rather than multiculturalism itself. 

 

Rich people in the UK are able to get around the law or get off more easily than poorer people- I would imagine the majority on this forum would agree with that. If you have more money or status or are a politician you are much more likely to get off crimes that others would get prosecuted for

 

When it comes to defence spending, the government should spend more on defence- Yep. With world politics as they are at present this is common sense. 

 

The death penalty in the UK should be permitted for some crimes- I don't personally support this but it's not an outlandish view to have. 

 

Big businesses in the UK take advantage of ordinary people- Definitely true in a number of cases. Most on the forum would agree.

 

Ordinary working people do not get their fair share of the nation's wealth- Again I assume the likes of soggy would agree with this. 

 

Utilities like energy, water and railways should be run in the public sector- This is pretty much a labour policy 

 

When it comes to transgender status, people in Britain should not be able to legally change their gender- totally correct and currently this is the law.

 

Rich people in the UK should be taxed more than average earners- Another Labour policy that would be supported by most on here. 

 

The NHS should be able to use private companies to provide treatment alongside its own services- Complete common sense as long as it is done in the right way. 

 

Same sex couples should be allowed to get married- Surprisingly progressive views from Reform voters and certainly more so than some religious groups. 

 

So other than maybe multiculturalism and the death penalty, what is so unreasonable about these views? 

I appreciate you taking the time, and sharing your thoughts on the above.

I guess the OP didn't see your post. I'm assuming that the whole point of their thread was to discuss reform, and not just to post links.

I'm sure they have some interesting thoughts on it too.

[sadoldgit]

This growing spat is something to look forward to in 2025.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/12/28/elon-musk-fact-check-badenoch-fakery-tweet/

[hypochondriac]

9 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I appreciate you taking the time, and sharing your thoughts on the above.

I guess the OP didn't see your post. I'm assuming that the whole point of their thread was to discuss reform, and not just to post links.

I'm sure they have some interesting thoughts on it too.

So did I. More fool me for assuming that the original poster actually wanted to talk about Reform rather than just spamming links from external sites. 

[Turkish]

21 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I must admit I’m enjoying the irony that one of this forums most ardent Reform supporters originally chose his user name as a piss take of one of what are now the current few Reform MPs. On the plus side, we aren’t likely to see Lord Lego Head any time soon.

Sums you up to a tee

Edited 28 December, 2024 by Turkish

[Gloucester Saint]

Farage and Badenoch spat escalating with Kemi complaining about the extent of Farage’s airtime on GB News and making threats about regulatory action. A few issues there Kemi:

- You’re not in power and not likely to be so for some time (hint, it won’t be as PM)

- Hypocrisy; not long ago that Tory cabinet ministers were being interviewed by Tory MPs

- Nobody watches the channel apart from Tory MPs, Reform and the most hardcore and obsessive members of both parties

Musk now apparently ‘fake news’ assigning Kemi’s X posts as well. Remember, Reform is the party for working class people.

[Turkish]

One of the lads 🤣🤣

[badgerx16]

Rupert failing to understand how the HoC works, ( if you listen closely you can hear the Speaker say "This is a shambles" );

 

[Gloucester Saint]

That won’t be a shock to any Saints supporter. At least with him having a seat in Norfolk I’m less likely to come across the plank.

[sadoldgit]

Buddies with another high profile sex offender.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-conor-mcgregor-washington-trump-b2682829.html

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

Buddies with another high profile sex offender.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-conor-mcgregor-washington-trump-b2682829.html

Hardly the worst crime in the world. 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Hardly the worst crime in the world. 

No one said it was a crime. It is the company he keeps. A bit like the way you defend scumbags (that’s not a crime either but it speaks volumes about your character).

[hypochondriac]

45 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

No one said it was a crime. It is the company he keeps. A bit like the way you defend scumbags (that’s not a crime either but it speaks volumes about your character).

Given the fact that you've described an actual paedophile as someone who doesn't commit the worst crimes in the world that's quite amusing. 

Edited January 22 by hypochondriac

[sadoldgit]

Echoes of Trump and Musk

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/nigel-farage-people-reform-uk-brexit-john-b2690493.html

[Weston Super Saint]

44 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Echoes of Trump and Musk

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/nigel-farage-people-reform-uk-brexit-john-b2690493.html

One quote from that article :

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After asking if anyone at the Reform UK rally in the north east of England had opposed Brexit and had now “seen the light”, Mr Elliott added: “I reckon anyone who voted remain shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

Sure, it was 'possibly' meant toungue in cheek, but probably wasn't.

However, how is that any different from the multitude of posts we've had on this board over the years claiming that anyone who voted for Brexit was so hard of thinking they shouldn't be allowed to vote, ever, about anything?

[Gloucester Saint]

Classy - soundtrack of loud jeering and laughing from Tory and Labour councillors as he unfurled a Union Jack. A distraction from being sacked by the Tories for sending picture of his bollocks unsolicited https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/24853860.reform-councillor-accused-criminal-behaviour-meeting/

Farage involved in a very dubious side hustle he’s putting his name to https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-nine-jobs-farage-scored-34553834

Edited February 2 by Gloucester Saint

[badgerx16]

21 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Classy - soundtrack of loud jeering and laughing from Tory and Labour councillors as he unfurled a Union Jack. A distraction from being sacked by the Tories for sending picture of his bollocks unsolicited https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/24853860.reform-councillor-accused-criminal-behaviour-meeting/

Farage involved in a very dubious side hustle he’s putting his name to https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-nine-jobs-farage-scored-34553834

So somebody known for spouting shit is now involved in selling nappies.

Somewhat appropriate.

[SotonianWill]

Tired of the new Faragist misinformation take; this time on local elections being taken away for certain anti-democratic reasons, as opposed to the facts: why would you have an election for a position which won’t exist in less than a year? 

I don’t mind the opinion, more the dancing around basic facts to fit one’s own Farage narrative. 

“Conservatives and Lib Dems criticise delays, which are in areas under reorganisation to introduce elected mayors”

But yet the Tories are quiet!!! Uniparty merging against democracy. They must all be running scared. It’s bollox. Anti-intellectual rubbish.

[Weston Super Saint]

24 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

Tired of the new Faragist misinformation take; this time on local elections being taken away for certain anti-democratic reasons, as opposed to the facts: why would you have an election for a position which won’t exist in less than a year? 

I don’t mind the opinion, more the dancing around basic facts to fit one’s own Farage narrative. 

“Conservatives and Lib Dems criticise delays, which are in areas under reorganisation to introduce elected mayors”

But yet the Tories are quiet!!! Uniparty merging against democracy. They must all be running scared. It’s bollox. Anti-intellectual rubbish.

It's clickbait for the hard of thinking.

Maybe I'll coin the phrase 'thickbait'?

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

It's clickbait for the hard of thinking.

Maybe I'll coin the phrase 'thickbait'?

Nice one, like that.

[Johnny Bognor]

What a difference 19 years makes.....

Just lumped on Rupert Lowe at 18/1 to be the next PM

To think that I was involved in the "Time to go Rupert Lowe" aerial protest

I guess if things don't go well. we can always dig our the old banner

[sadoldgit]

On 22/01/2025 at 13:43, hypochondriac said:

Given the fact that you've described an actual paedophile as someone who doesn't commit the worst crimes in the world that's quite amusing. 

Adolf Hitler

The Yorkshire Ripper

Hugh Edwards

Jack the Ripper

Pol Pot

Dr Harold Shipman

Where does Hugh Edwards sit in this list of worst crimes in the world?

Anyone with any level of intelligence would understand that my point was about the amount of prominent airtime he was given against other news stories that were bigger at the time  than his actual crimes. As I said at the time, his crimes were dealt with in the magistrates court. More serious crimes are dealt with in the Crown Court. I think you will struggle to find anyone with any reasonable level of understanding that will say that he committed the worse crime in the world. 

He didn’t murder anyone. He didn’t rape anyone. Would you say that is crime was worse than murder or rape?
 

 

 

Edited February 6 by sadoldgit

[a1ex2001]

On 02/02/2025 at 07:57, Weston Super Saint said:

One quote from that article :

Sure, it was 'possibly' meant toungue in cheek, but probably wasn't.

However, how is that any different from the multitude of posts we've had on this board over the years claiming that anyone who voted for Brexit was so hard of thinking they shouldn't be allowed to vote, ever, about anything?

The trouble is that a functional democracy relies on having a well informed intelligent electorate, to allow them to evaluate what politicians say and choose appropriately.  Unfortunately recent British history shows that our electorate is no well informed or capable of the critical thinking necessary to asses the messages delivered by politicians and make appropriate choices.  The electorate is to easily led by liars and charlatans and incapable of processing anything beyond three word slogans and obvious othering.

[Gloucester Saint]

19 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

The trouble is that a functional democracy relies on having a well informed intelligent electorate, to allow them to evaluate what politicians say and choose appropriately.  Unfortunately recent British history shows that our electorate is no well informed or capable of the critical thinking necessary to asses the messages delivered by politicians and make appropriate choices.  The electorate is to easily led by liars and charlatans and incapable of processing anything beyond three word slogans and obvious othering.

I always felt that the UK electorate made broadly the right calls until the EU Referendum. Poor campaign by Remain but Leave told some fucking whoppers and captured the governing party by stealth. The oldies are enraptured by Reform and their shady funders, but that may fade as the wheels come off Trump’s car and Farage gets exposed on the NHS and the economy. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

6 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The oldies are enraptured by Reform and their shady funders,

If you believe it’s just oldies, you’re in for a big shock come the next election. 

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

If you believe it’s just oldies, you’re in for a big shock come the next election. 

Not unless Farage finds a policy issue u-30s can lock onto as other populist outfits have https://unherd.com/newsroom/reform-uk-still-has-a-youth-problem/

Cultural wedge issues won’t work here like they have for the Republicans.

[egg]

47 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

If you believe it’s just oldies, you’re in for a big shock come the next election. 

True. Young people can be stupid too. 

The reality though is we live in a world where people are increasingly selfish, and expect something for nothing, so the reform policies will appeal to those who are swayed by that. 

[Gloucester Saint]

14 minutes ago, egg said:

True. Young people can be stupid too. 

The reality though is we live in a world where people are increasingly selfish, and expect something for nothing, so the reform policies will appeal to those who are swayed by that. 

Reform as part of any coalition or a majority - that would be the final nail in the coffin for the country.

As anyone who had to witness the carnage of Lowe running SFC knows all too well. And Brexit has been a disaster. 

Labour will leak seats all over the country next time out, just hoping the Liberal vote holds up/increases further and tactical voting might keep them out. Tories could lose seats to Reform outright, Badenoch really is struggling. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

16 minutes ago, egg said:

 

The reality though is we live in a world where people are increasingly selfish, and expect something for nothing, so the reform policies will appeal to those who are swayed by that. 

How is that any different than any other party? 
 

In opposition Labour were going to maintain winter fuel allowance, not increase NI, compensate the Waspi birds, freeze council tax, knock £300 off our energy bills, all without increasing our taxes & delivering growth. If that’s not “something for nothing” I don’t know what is. None of the establishment parties were straight with the British people, none of their promises were “fully costed”, to try and claim Reform are the only people promising something for nothing is delusional…
 

 

[Gloucester Saint]

12 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

How is that any different than any other party? 
 

In opposition Labour were going to maintain winter fuel allowance, not increase NI, compensate the Waspi birds, freeze council tax, knock £300 off our energy bills, all without increasing our taxes & delivering growth. If that’s not “something for nothing” I don’t know what is. None of the establishment parties were straight with the British people, none of their promises were “fully costed”, to try and claim Reform are the only people promising something for nothing is delusional…
 

 

They all shy away from the truth on taxation https://ifs.org.uk/articles/parties-should-avoid-tax-pledges-they-may-come-regret

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckkkk90lw50o

Reform’s was the most illiterate of all though and that was going some with the conspiracy of silence https://ifs.org.uk/articles/reform-uk-manifesto-reaction

The Media don’t help matters - the questioning and formats are so poor and lack incisiveness. The public need to be told in blunt terms as adults if the parties won’t that if you want Brexit with a much smaller economy, levelling up and full public services pre-2010, plus public ownership of railways and utilities, that’s got to be funded and doesn’t work with US levels of taxation. 

Edited February 8 by Gloucester Saint

[egg]

1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

They all shy away from the truth on taxation https://ifs.org.uk/articles/parties-should-avoid-tax-pledges-they-may-come-regret

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckkkk90lw50o

Reform’s was the most illiterate of all though and that was going some with the conspiracy of silence https://ifs.org.uk/articles/reform-uk-manifesto-reaction

The Media don’t help matters - the questioning and formats are so poor and lack incisiveness. The public need to be told in blunt terms as adults if the parties won’t that if you want Brexit with a much smaller economy, levelling up and full public services pre-2010, plus public ownership of railways and utilities, that’s got to be funded and doesn’t work with US levels of taxation. 

Yep. Reform's manifesto was the height of nonsensical. Completely unrealistic in their approach, but they'll repeat it and I suspect people will lap it up as it'll be "change" and they believe they'll be better off. Although I take Duck's point above, anyone buying Reform's BS have to be either a bit daft and/or not give a monkeys about the impact of their policies on public services and those needing state support/education/healthcare. 

[SotonianWill]

2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Reform as part of any coalition or a majority - that would be the final nail in the coffin for the country.

It depends. I opposed Reform due to their gift list “contract” to the people, not to mention their leadership! However, i’m unsure how it would be the final nail in the coffin. The country is crying out for lower taxation, which they would at least try to achieve, along with other issues. 

My main gripe with them is their un conservative (in my eyes) outlook - that of full economic liberalism and ultra-individualism; essentially American Conservatism riding the high of Trump. This last bit is based on a recent Rupert Lowe interview where he described himself as a libertarian. 

Edited February 8 by SotonianWill

[Gloucester Saint]

8 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

It depends. I opposed Reform due to their gift list “contract” to the people, not to mention their leadership! However, i’m unsure how it would be the final nail in the coffin. The country is crying out for lower taxation, which they would at least try to achieve, along with other issues. 

My main gripe with them is their un conservative (in my eyes) outlook - that of full economic liberalism and ultra-individualism; essentially American Conservatism riding the high of Trump. This last bit is based on a recent Rupert Lowe interview where he described himself as a libertarian. 

The reason the UK Conservative Party was so successful was their ability to compromise with the British public and what was important eg Thatcher and ‘The NHS is Safe with Us’, pragmatically bringing in changes important to them balanced with a core of what sits well with the bulk of the electorate and helping those who need it.

Reform as you say are a big break from this and won’t benefit many apart from non-doms. 

I was certainly glad to see Saints liberated from Rupert Lowe! The bloke couldn’t run a bath.

[Lord Duckhunter]

11 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

The country is crying out for lower taxation, which they would at least try to achieve, along with other issues. 

 

It’ll all depend on the next 4 years.
 

There’s no doubt Rachael from accounts will have to come back for more taxes as the party won’t stomach the alternative of real cuts, then the state of public services will play a major part of the next election. If Labour somehow do manage to make a noticeable difference to them, then I think the public will accept the European model of higher taxation for better services. What they won’t accept is higher taxation for the status quo, or tiny insignificant improvements. Personally, I think this bunch of amateur’s will do real damage to the “higher taxes/better services” side of the argument as we will have higher taxes and worse services come 2029, but only time will tell. 
 

But it won’t be taxation that pushes Reform to the next level, it’ll be immigration, foreign aid and the costs/ social impacts of that. Saying cut foreign aid to lower your taxes will enable opponents to portray you as the “nasty party”. Cut foreign aid to look after our pensioners/ poor / vulnerable, quite a different argument. Vote leave didn’t put “let’s leave the EU & use the £350m to cut your taxes”. I doubt if Nigel will let the party be portrayed as Thatcherite, even though “he’” is. He’ll try the Lib Dem trick of being all things to all men in different constituencies , and until they hit the reality of Government and face their own tuition fee moment ,it may work. They all pretty much do that anyway with all their manifesto’s being “fully costed”. 

[Gloucester Saint]

4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’ll all depend on the next 4 years.
 

There’s no doubt Rachael from accounts will have to come back for more taxes as the party won’t stomach the alternative of real cuts, then the state of public services will play a major part of the next election. If Labour somehow do manage to make a noticeable difference to them, then I think the public will accept the European model of higher taxation for better services. What they won’t accept is higher taxation for the status quo, or tiny insignificant improvements. Personally, I think this bunch of amateur’s will do real damage to the “higher taxes/better services” side of the argument as we will have higher taxes and worse services come 2029, but only time will tell. 
 

But it won’t be taxation that pushes Reform to the next level, it’ll be immigration, foreign aid and the costs/ social impacts of that. Saying cut foreign aid to lower your taxes will enable opponents to portray you as the “nasty party”. Cut foreign aid to look after our pensioners/ poor / vulnerable, quite a different argument. Vote leave didn’t put “let’s leave the EU & use the £350m to cut your taxes”. I doubt if Nigel will let the party be portrayed as Thatcherite, even though “he’” is. He’ll try the Lib Dem trick of being all things to all men in different constituencies , and until they hit the reality of Government and face their own tuition fee moment ,it may work. They all pretty much do that anyway with all their manifesto’s being “fully costed”. 

Don’t disagree with much of that analysis, although Reform might need a different Chair https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm23p33emrdo

I suspect it was to head off the rumours of a super-pact party headed by Farage and Johnson. 

[sadoldgit]

😂

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tice-reeves-cv-reform-farage-b2698292.html

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

😂

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tice-reeves-cv-reform-farage-b2698292.html

talking of exaggeration CVs it reminded me of the time on here when you claimed to have spent your career prosecuting knife crime, then it changed to prosecuting sexual assaults when the truth was you were an admin manager. You catch yourself constantly on the web of lies you have spun old boy!

Edited February 14 by Turkish

[badgerx16]

Rupert Lowe on Talk Radio says that one of the first things a Reform Government must do is repeal the Race Relations Act ( 1965 ). So he is in favour of discrimination on the basis of race.

[Gloucester Saint]

24 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Rupert Lowe on Talk Radio says that one of the first things a Reform Government must do is repeal the Race Relations Act ( 1965 ). So he is in favour of discrimination on the basis of race.

Simple put down for Lowe is his dismal record as Saints Chairman, but this is more fuel to play back nearer the GE. The fact that he wants to go back to the guesthouses with ‘No blacks’ in the window tells you what he is. But Saints fans already knew he was vile. Trump and the attacks on ethnic minorities and the disabled which they copy will be the nail in the tyres of their poll ratings, not to mention their economic ineptitude and non dom owners awash with Russian oligarch blood money. 

Edited February 16 by Gloucester Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

And a hypocrite I should have added https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/feb/13/reform-mp-rupert-lowe-hails-solar-energy-money-saver-while-party-vows-tax-sector

[Lord Duckhunter]

25 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Rupert Lowe on Talk Radio says that one of the first things a Reform Government must do is repeal the Race Relations Act ( 1965 ). So he is in favour of discrimination on the basis of race.

He was talking about it in regards to illegal migration and as part of a repealing anything that stops us controlling our borders. It’s more nuanced than “discrimination on the basis of race”.
 

People can make their own minds up around the context of what he said. But ultimately, as he quite rightly pointed out, the people are the boss and if they vote for it, should get it. 
 

 

[rallyboy]

People who think Rupert's a ruddy-faced, hypocritical, opportunist cunt with a history of dodgy business dealings who is now just trying to harvest votes from simpleton racists in exchange for personal power and cash, aren't seeing the whole picture and need correcting.

I've met him and his face isn't that ruddy.

 

 

 

[Gloucester Saint]

I get that LD, and context is important. But that can’t be a justification for rolling back hard won rights for British-born minorities as collateral damage. Rupert wasn’t into football then so won’t remember it, but I remember Danny Wallace getting pelted with bananas from the Archers cage by West Ham and Chelsea fans. Whether people vote for it or not, it’s never right and I don’t believe that a majority will.

Besides, illegal immigration is too high, and the boat invasions make me sick, that we can agree on. But let’s pull overseas students out of it, and dependents of junior doctors, that was Braverman shit stirring, and focus on those core issues where there is majority consensus. 

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He was talking about it in regards to illegal migration and as part of a repealing anything that stops us controlling our borders. It’s more nuanced than “discrimination on the basis of race”.
 

People can make their own minds up around the context of what he said. But ultimately, as he quite rightly pointed out, the people are the boss and if they vote for it, should get it. 
 

 

Thre is nothing in the Race Relations Act that relates to controlling immigration, it is there to say than you can't put a colour bar on cafeterias or hotel rooms. Lowe's remarks are racist, pure and simple, ( with the emphasis on simple ).

[egg]

18 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He was talking about it in regards to illegal migration and as part of a repealing anything that stops us controlling our borders. It’s more nuanced than “discrimination on the basis of race”.
 

People can make their own minds up around the context of what he said. But ultimately, as he quite rightly pointed out, the people are the boss and if they vote for it, should get it. 
 

 

His remarks were racist. Undeniably. If he really wants to alter the law to tighten up immigration then he would have said that - it's pretty obvious that you don't need to repeal the Act to put controls on immigration. You repeal the Act because you want to remove all the good that it stands for. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

8 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I get that LD, and context is important. But that can’t be a justification for rolling back hard won rights for British-born minorities as collateral damage

You’d hope once those acts are repealed, a new discrimination act that reflects the modern country would be put in its place.
 

Take the ECHR, there’s absolutely no reason why British laws couldn’t cover most of it, leaving out the pony that allows degenerates the “right to a family life”. British judges, deciding on British law. Same with race relations, nobody (including me) would vote for a party that had no protections against discrimination. But if the race relations act , the refugee conventions, the ECHR, and other stuff drafted over 60 years ago needs replacing to reflect the modern world, and the British people give their consent, then what’s the issue? 

[Gloucester Saint]

6 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You’d hope once those acts are repealed, a new discrimination act that reflects the modern country would be put in its place.
 

Take the ECHR, there’s absolutely no reason why British laws couldn’t cover most of it, leaving out the pony that allows degenerates the “right to a family life”. British judges, deciding on British law. Same with race relations, nobody (including me) would vote for a party that had no protections against discrimination. But if the race relations act , the refugee conventions, the ECHR, and other stuff drafted over 60 years ago needs replacing to reflect the modern world, and the British people give their consent, then what’s the issue? 

That’s part of the debate that would need to happen. And I wasn’t a fan of Straw taking us into the Social Chapter, that was a factor behind Brexit over time. But there are well-resourced elements, not least a mass media and their non doms, who will argue against that, and the social clock would go back 50 years. We took a leap into the dark with an in/out referendum and had years of haggling because there was no consensus on what a post-EU UK looked like and what the relationship then looked like with the EU, that’s why I’d be sceptical about what Lowe is saying. The issues need cool rational heads but these issues tend the promote the most knee-jerk and wealthiest voices on either side.

Edited February 16 by Gloucester Saint

[egg]

13 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You’d hope once those acts are repealed, a new discrimination act that reflects the modern country would be put in its place.
 

Take the ECHR, there’s absolutely no reason why British laws couldn’t cover most of it, leaving out the pony that allows degenerates the “right to a family life”. British judges, deciding on British law. Same with race relations, nobody (including me) would vote for a party that had no protections against discrimination. But if the race relations act , the refugee conventions, the ECHR, and other stuff drafted over 60 years ago needs replacing to reflect the modern world, and the British people give their consent, then what’s the issue? 

What parts of all of that legislation do you say should go? Assuming you feel that most should remain, why repeal rather than amend?

[badgerx16]

23 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You’d hope once those acts are repealed, a new discrimination act that reflects the modern country would be put in its place.
 

 

No. If the latter is your intention then you draft the new legislation such that once it is enacted it replaces the preceding Acts. Repealing an Act and then spending time thinking about whether and how you might re-address the issues is indicative of not really wanting Law in that area at all.

[Lord Duckhunter]

30 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Besides, illegal immigration is too high, and the boat invasions make me sick, that we can agree on.

Legal immigration is too high as well, but until the establishment accept that, the debate will remain toxic.
 

It’s absolutely fucking nuts, that people like Raynor can’t link a lack of housing with the million or so people coming in each year. That’s not even about race, it’s about numbers. If we had 0 net migration but an extra million white birds up the duff every year, guess what, we’ll need to build more houses, more doctors, more infrastructure, as a direct result of that. Nobody would say down the line, “those extra million babies, now reaching adulthood aren’t anything to do with the pressures on housing or infrastructure “. It’s fucking weird.