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Certainly getting lots of backing and they'll almost certainly grow/make gains over the next few years. 

Populist party with no real substance though, so will need to change that at some point and that will reign them back in a bit.

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sadoldgit

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It’s been a Godsend for Starmer. Farage has got Badenoch so rattled that she seems more intent on appealing to Reform/would be Reform voters than those middle ground floating voters if PMQs are anything to go by. She seems to have forgotten though that she was part of the government that presided over record immigration.

Farage’s problem at the moment is that he is only attracting people like himself into his party. To grow a serious base he will need to attract some serious politicians with serious politics, something other than demonising immigrants or the EU.

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sadoldgit

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I have just had lunch with an aquantance who lives locally. Lovely fella but he is a Trump fan boy which is a bit odd because he is also a devout Christian but seems to have a blind spot when it comes to Trump’s sexual assault conviction, his misogyny, his racism, his total lack of suitability for the job and his congenital lying. I’m not sure that Jesus was big on gabbing pussy or treating every else as inferior beings but hey ho.

Not surprisingly he thinks that Farage is the answer to the country’s problems and will be voting Reform at the next election. He is “middle England” all over. God help us all if there are lots more like him out there.

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Turkish

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56 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I have just had lunch with an aquantance who lives locally. Lovely fella but he is a Trump fan boy which is a bit odd because he is also a devout Christian but seems to have a blind spot when it comes to Trump’s sexual assault conviction, his misogyny, his racism, his total lack of suitability for the job and his congenital lying. I’m not sure that Jesus was big on gabbing pussy or treating every else as inferior beings but hey ho.

Not surprisingly he thinks that Farage is the answer to the country’s problems and will be voting Reform at the next election. He is “middle England” all over. God help us all if there are lots more like him out there.

course you did. 🤣

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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23 minutes ago, Turkish said:

course you did. 🤣

If our fictional friend didn't have a blind spot for racism, congenital lying, and misogyny then he'd not be talking to SOG.

Also noted is the utter lack of understanding on why people would vote Republican and the value judgements made against others with different views. No change there, despite being on here where there's lots of different viewpoints.

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badgerx16

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

I have just had lunch with an aquantance who lives locally. Lovely fella but he is a Trump fan boy which is a bit odd because he is also a devout Christian but seems to have a blind spot when it comes to Trump’s sexual assault conviction, his misogyny, his racism, his total lack of suitability for the job and his congenital lying. I’m not sure that Jesus was big on gabbing pussy or treating every else as inferior beings but hey ho.

Not surprisingly he thinks that Farage is the answer to the country’s problems and will be voting Reform at the next election. He is “middle England” all over. God help us all if there are lots more like him out there.

SOG's gone fishing.

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AlexLaw76

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2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I have just had lunch with an aquantance who lives locally. Lovely fella but he is a Trump fan boy which is a bit odd because he is also a devout Christian but seems to have a blind spot when it comes to Trump’s sexual assault conviction, his misogyny, his racism, his total lack of suitability for the job and his congenital lying. I’m not sure that Jesus was big on gabbing pussy or treating every else as inferior beings but hey ho.

Not surprisingly he thinks that Farage is the answer to the country’s problems and will be voting Reform at the next election. He is “middle England” all over. God help us all if there are lots more like him out there.

Classic

Turkish

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7 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Yup. Off the scale intolerance for religious and political views. Combined with condescension, ignorance and an utter lack of self awareness. That's our SOG.

In one fictitious lunch fairytale he’s absolutely proven everything said about him is true. 

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fuck me, the “words greatest WUM” is struggling now. It’s like watching Jose Mourinho, the decline is obvious. He’ll be posting on Mumsnet soon….Sad to see. 

Or at least 1stCousinsnet. 🙂

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Turkish

Turkish

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58 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fuck me, the “words greatest WUM” is struggling now. It’s like watching Jose Mourinho, the decline is obvious. He’ll be posting on Mumsnet soon….Sad to see. 

2 new threads in a week no one is interested in, another fake lunch story, fake email evidence of tit squeezing, his misogyny exposed, accused others of misinformation of the truth whilst accusing someone of not liking sandwiches as giving Truss a run for her money “famous people shagged their cousin” in his PC search history. Not been a good week. Maybe at least he’ll run off and hide for a few days now if past trend is anything to go by. 

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east-stand-nic

east-stand-nic

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9 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Classic

To be honest, I think that latest Jackanory from him proves lock stock that he is a joke character/WUM not to be taken seriously. He is here for clcik bait and to increase comments I reckon. There is just no way anyone is as stupid as he makes out.

Turkish

Turkish

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8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Surprise, surprise. The same old fish end up on the line.

If pointing and laughing at you and your obvious bullshit was "end up on the line" then you got got us all. 

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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30 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Surprise, surprise. The same old fish end up on the line.

Oh well played. You said ridiculous bullshit and people stopped and laughed at you. Looks like you got us! 

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hypochondriac

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Young people today do not have enough respect for traditional British values- Bit of a generalisation but in general that is correct. 
 
Migrants coming to the United Kingdom across the English Channel should all be immediately removed from the United Kingdom and prevented from ever returning- 100% correct. No one jumping the queue and crossing the channel in that manner should be allowed to stay here. 
 
The sentences that the courts hand down to people who have been convicted of crimes are not harsh enough- Not sure about this. Again it's a generalisation but there are certainly some crimes that I think are punished too harshly whilst some are not punished harshly enough. 
 
Multiculturalism has made the UK worse - Not sure I entirely agree with this but undoubtedly there are a lot of examples of multiculturalism being a net negative in areas of the UK. Personally I would say the amount and rate introduced has been the issue rather than multiculturalism itself. 
 
Rich people in the UK are able to get around the law or get off more easily than poorer people- I would imagine the majority on this forum would agree with that. If you have more money or status or are a politician you are much more likely to get off crimes that others would get prosecuted for
 
When it comes to defence spending, the government should spend more on defence- Yep. With world politics as they are at present this is common sense. 
 
The death penalty in the UK should be permitted for some crimes- I don't personally support this but it's not an outlandish view to have. 
 
Big businesses in the UK take advantage of ordinary people- Definitely true in a number of cases. Most on the forum would agree.
 
Ordinary working people do not get their fair share of the nation's wealth- Again I assume the likes of soggy would agree with this. 
 
Utilities like energy, water and railways should be run in the public sector- This is pretty much a labour policy 
 
When it comes to transgender status, people in Britain should not be able to legally change their gender- totally correct and currently this is the law.
 
Rich people in the UK should be taxed more than average earners- Another Labour policy that would be supported by most on here. 
 
The NHS should be able to use private companies to provide treatment alongside its own services- Complete common sense as long as it is done in the right way. 
 
Same sex couples should be allowed to get married- Surprisingly progressive views from Reform voters and certainly more so than some religious groups. 
 
So other than maybe multiculturalism and the death penalty, what is so unreasonable about these views? 
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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Are the 40% wrong?

https://unherd.com/breaking_news/four-in-10-voters-think-reform-uk-is-extremist/

A home for conspiracy theorists too?

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/conspiracy-theory-and-nationalist-groups-backed-reform-uk-at-general-election-13175679

Hi soggy. Not sure if you missed it but I responded to one of those links you posted. I wouldn't want to think you're just ignoring it. 

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Gloucester Saint

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7 hours ago, trousers said:

 

 

Remember everyone, Reform are the party of working class people let down by the Tory and Labour parties who want to do social good and level up the economy.

 

And if you all believe that, and don't think they are a bunch of billionaires trying to use Farage as a front to pay even less tax which keep their employees healthy and having reliable transport to work, I have some bridges to sell you.

Musk turning out some electric cars that don’t cost the same as renovating a whole house might be a good start.

The IFS sussed Reform’s economic credibility at the election. Billionaire donors won’t fix that https://ifs.org.uk/articles/reform-uk-manifesto-reaction

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SotonianWill

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On 13/12/2024 at 10:44, sadoldgit said:

No surprises here.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49887-what-do-reform-uk-voters-believe

Or here.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2008/nov/03/greenpolitics-liberaldemocrats

I never get the idea of left-leaning peoples justifying their beliefs through the perceived intelligence of their side. The world is about opinion. To address yourself as superior and “smarter” based on this opinion, and others around you - not to mention utilising a 16 year old article - is interesting to say the least. A bit egotistical. 

 

The YouGov polling suggest Reform voters are not dogmatically capitalist, which is interesting. Though i’m not surprised. They are seen to be “faragists”, compared to being true-believers in the free market. 

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SotonianWill

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19 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Really quite facile spat about membership numbers between Farage and Badenoch https://www.harrowtimes.co.uk/news/24820989.nigel-farage-threatens-kemi-badenoch-legal-action/?ref=rss

Facile and childish rubbish. It means next to nothing in an age of low political mobilisation. Farage will inevitably claim "somethings happening out there", tickling his own ego; he'll then moan about milk. Kemi, in the same manner, will complain about sandwiches.

 

They are so unserious, it's laughable. 

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sadoldgit

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On 20/12/2024 at 22:00, SotonianWill said:

I never get the idea of left-leaning peoples justifying their beliefs through the perceived intelligence of their side. The world is about opinion. To address yourself as superior and “smarter” based on this opinion, and others around you - not to mention utilising a 16 year old article - is interesting to say the least. A bit egotistical. 

 

The YouGov polling suggest Reform voters are not dogmatically capitalist, which is interesting. Though i’m not surprised. They are seen to be “faragists”, compared to being true-believers in the free market. 

I think you are missing the point. It’s not about “intelligence” per se as I see it. It is about how you go about forming opinions. Do you look at as much information as possible and come up with a conclusion or do you just go along with a populist red meat thrown out by populist politicians who just aim their rhetoric at knee jerk reactionaries. You only have to look at many of the people who rioted earlier in the year. Do you think that they sat down at did research about immigration or even bothered to find out the facts of what actually happened with those poor children? Do you think that they looked into the negative economic possibilities of what Brexit was likely to bring us or just went with wanting their country back when they casted their votes?

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Turkish

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5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I think you are missing the point. It’s not about “intelligence” per se as I see it. It is about how you go about forming opinions. Do you look at as much information as possible and come up with a conclusion or do you just go along with a populist red meat thrown out by populist politicians who just aim their rhetoric at knee jerk reactionaries. You only have to look at many of the people who rioted earlier in the year. Do you think that they sat down at did research about immigration or even bothered to find out the facts of what actually happened with those poor children? Do you think that they looked into the negative economic possibilities of what Brexit was likely to bring us or just went with wanting their country back when they casted their votes?

When you say looking at as much information as possible and forming a conclusion of your own do you mean nodding along in agreement at opinion pieces in the Guardian which you relentlessly post on here as fact?

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Holmes_and_Watson

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16 minutes ago, Turkish said:

When you say looking at as much information as possible and forming a conclusion of your own do you mean nodding along in agreement at opinion pieces in the Guardian which you relentlessly post on here as fact?

Another post pretending that the Guardian, the source of all correct opinion along with James O'Brien, is somehow not trying to use it's political stance any differently to the parody papers on the other side.

Good to see a mention on how informed people were during rioting from the person who got caught out trying to fake a racially motivated incident on social media during it.

While a NASA space probe has gone closer to the sun, there's still no sign of SOG's self awareness anywhere in the cosmos.

AlexLaw76

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

I think you are missing the point. It’s not about “intelligence” per se as I see it. It is about how you go about forming opinions. Do you look at as much information as possible and come up with a conclusion or do you just go along with a populist red meat thrown out by populist politicians who just aim their rhetoric at knee jerk reactionaries. You only have to look at many of the people who rioted earlier in the year. Do you think that they sat down at did research about immigration or even bothered to find out the facts of what actually happened with those poor children? Do you think that they looked into the negative economic possibilities of what Brexit was likely to bring us or just went with wanting their country back when they casted their votes?

Was this taken from LBC earlier, or from the local mixed-race barber/barmaid/starbucks employee?

sadoldgit

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I must admit I’m enjoying the irony that one of this forums most ardent Reform supporters originally chose his user name as a piss take of one of what are now the current few Reform MPs. On the plus side, we aren’t likely to see Lord Lego Head any time soon.

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