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Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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You don’t have to pretend to be ITK pony merchant to know that Moyes & Potter won’t be rocking up at St Mary’s, it’s friggin obvious. I’ve heard that Jose & Gareth Southgate have turned us down. 

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CSA96

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1 hour ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Very unlikely RM will go as Saints won't spend on anyone who can get a run of wins Potter etc would be crazy to take job. Looking at previous tables at 1st Jan teams 3rd/4th bottom had 12 to 14 points. Can Saints get 3 wins soon? It's a massive task to get 32 points let alone 36. Lots of managers play back to keeper and that's been proved to not work so new manager could get us less points. The other problem is new manager won't have a budget to get any players, unless we sell 3 or 4. We can't get out of this situation as too late in season. 

Saints have tried to hire Steve Cooper twice before, so I do wonder if we might still have some interest to revisit there. Let's face it, his career is also at a point where if (when...) we go down, he wouldn't be in a position to bail out and leave us high and dry. He'd need to stay and bring us back up to get his stock rising again

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Turkish

Turkish

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15 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

Saints have tried to hire Steve Cooper twice before, so I do wonder if we might still have some interest to revisit there. Let's face it, his career is also at a point where if (when...) we go down, he wouldn't be in a position to bail out and leave us high and dry. He'd need to stay and bring us back up to get his stock rising again

Id be happy with him, big upgrade on Rusty

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Sergei Gotsmanov

Sergei Gotsmanov

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24 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

Saints have tried to hire Steve Cooper twice before, so I do wonder if we might still have some interest to revisit there. Let's face it, his career is also at a point where if (when...) we go down, he wouldn't be in a position to bail out and leave us high and dry. He'd need to stay and bring us back up to get his stock rising again

Whilst in the anyone but RM camp I would not be a Cooper advocate. We got thumped twice last season by Leicester but under Cooper this season I thought they had gone back.

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Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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Random internet twat known for being a wind-up merchant breaks major nationwide sports news story before any news outlet, the club or the betting industry. 

Yep, seems plausible 🤪.

Why on earth hasn't this been locked, it's very obviously a lie. 

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redandwhitey

redandwhitey

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is he though ?

Personally don't see the point in chopping and changing, perhaps we need some better coaches to work under RM.

Philosophy is OK, its the application that needs sorting, and allowing the players to be brave enough to put their boot through it when the situation demands it - as Ramsdale had started to do before his injury

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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2 minutes ago, redandwhitey said:

is he though ?

Personally don't see the point in chopping and changing, perhaps we need some better coaches to work under RM.

Philosophy is OK, its the application that needs sorting, and allowing the players to be brave enough to put their boot through it when the situation demands it - as Ramsdale had started to do before his injury

I disagree, the philosophy focus we have is greatly flawed with the level of player we have. In fact, I'm bored hearing about philosophies and processes - just buy good players and play them in positions that are natural and comfortable for them. Stop getting them to do things that exposes any weakness they may have.

I don't ever remember hearing anything about philosophies and processes when Koeman and Adkins were in charge. It sounds simple, but football really doesn't need to be complicated. It's when you try to get extra clever that things go horribly wrong.

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SotonianWill

SotonianWill

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39 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You don’t have to pretend to be ITK pony merchant to know that Moyes & Potter won’t be rocking up at St Mary’s, it’s friggin obvious. I’ve heard that Jose & Gareth Southgate have turned us down. 

Only because they didn’t learn from last time. Howe and Dyche were neglected to stick with Ralph longer; we end up with Jones. We stick with Rylan the Legoman and now we’re heading for another nobody. 

saintant

saintant

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35 minutes ago, redandwhitey said:

is he though ?

Personally don't see the point in chopping and changing, perhaps we need some better coaches to work under RM.

Philosophy is OK, its the application that needs sorting, and allowing the players to be brave enough to put their boot through it when the situation demands it - as Ramsdale had started to do before his injury

Russell is conning us and SR.

Badger

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1 hour ago, LegalEagle said:

If Farmer is right and Moyes won’t come then Cooper is the next best option. Or a return for Danny Rohl

Danny Rohl might be a decent option next season as he’ll have had 18months experience in the Championship by then.

Although we might accept relegation is inevitable and emphasise the ‘building for next season’ is it fair to pitch Rohl or another (relatively inexperienced) manager into the rest of our calamitous season, and would it knock their confidence too much for next ?

 

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Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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3 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's why he survived past Leicester - they approached the agents of Moyes and Potter and both said categorically no, which is why we kept him for the time-being.

They wanted someone in place to bring in quickly.

Source?

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redandwhitey

redandwhitey

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2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I disagree, the philosophy focus we have is greatly flawed with the level of player we have. In fact, I'm bored hearing about philosophies and processes - just buy good players and play them in positions that are natural and comfortable for them. Stop getting them to do things that exposes any weakness they may have.

I don't ever remember hearing anything about philosophies and processes when Koeman and Adkins were in charge. It sounds simple, but football really doesn't need to be complicated. It's when you try to get extra clever that things go horribly wrong.

Ok let’s call it a style of play rather than philosophy or some other hip phrase. In essence we agree that we need players or style that allows them to play to their strengths (or weaknesses) to suit the situation 

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stknowle

stknowle

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2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I disagree, the philosophy focus we have is greatly flawed with the level of player we have. In fact, I'm bored hearing about philosophies and processes - just buy good players and play them in positions that are natural and comfortable for them. Stop getting them to do things that exposes any weakness they may have.

I don't ever remember hearing anything about philosophies and processes when Koeman and Adkins were in charge. It sounds simple, but football really doesn't need to be complicated. It's when you try to get extra clever that things go horribly wrong.

I’ve actually come to really detest the word ‘philosophy’ over the last few weeks.

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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1 minute ago, redandwhitey said:

Ok let’s call it a style of play rather than philosophy or some other hip phrase. In essence we agree that we need players or style that allows them to play to their strengths (or weaknesses) to suit the situation 

But for clubs like ourselves, we will never be able to recruit the level of player needed for this style.

So what we do need is a manager that looks at the squad he has, and adapts based on what he has available, rather than one who shoehorns a specific philosophy no matter what situation just for his own ego.

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Streaky

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Probably not true, but if it is I hope we go for Michael Carrick. Like how he sets his team up and done well with limited resource as he would have to do here.

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Turkish

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1 minute ago, saint lard said:

The thought of Cooper fills me with utter dismay. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Why? We ain’t going to get anyone better. 

GDog07

GDog07

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17 minutes ago, LegalEagle said:

I see that Skybet have in the last hour removed all betting on the next Prem manager to leave. Take from that what you will.

That’ll be because of the EPL matches currently playing that could affect the market.

It’ll return this evening once the Tottenham v Chelsea match has concluded.

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Sarisbury Saint

Sarisbury Saint

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4 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Yes....I don't get it. He has been sacked twice in 6 months but deemed ideal for us...

Cooper or Russell Martin. ?

Unless we have a better option, then wait until we do.

Badger

Badger

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13 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Yes....I don't get it. He has been sacked twice in 6 months but deemed ideal for us...

I’m not convinced Cooper is the answer for us but in his defence:

Forest thought they’d outgrown him, which is a reflection of the good job he did there.

Leicester - no idea really, square peg round hole, not fitting the egos of the squad perhaps ? They were still a few points ahead of us when he left (part courtesy of Lego and the ref when we played them of course).

Also, reverting to a couple of Swansea fans views, Cooper was the only one of the three now higher profile managers (him,Martin, and Potter) they were really disappointed to see leave. )Other Swansea views are I’m sure available. 

Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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2 minutes ago, Appy said:

Cooper is better than Martin. He adapts, made Forest pretty pragmatic, which kept them up. 

Agree with that, plus no hangover in terms of ego if we go down.  Bit of a Hobson's choice if we are set on a manager who has kept a team in this league, but still a much better choice than Martin.  Would like to see these players coached and set up to at least compete.

SaintsFan86

SaintsFan86

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2 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Cooper announcement 🙂

The Goonies Sloth GIF

If indeed it is to be Cooper, That's a pragmatic coach who has got points at this level, whilst surviving relegation 2 years running.

Whilst if isn't spectacular, it's what we need, and should we go down he has a decent level pf merit in the championship also. 

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SaintsBarry74

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34 minutes ago, saint lard said:

The thought of Cooper fills me with utter dismay. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Same here. Leicester fans were saying that he plays without any set system or tactics, the players didn't know what to do.

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Jack

Jack

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5 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Agree with that, plus no hangover in terms of ego if we go down.  Bit of a Hobson's choice if we are set on a manager who has kept a team in this league, but still a much better choice than Martin.  Would like to see these players coached and set up to at least compete.

Which is exactly what should’ve happened from day 1 in the Premier League, and exactly why Russ needs to go ASAP

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Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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Cooper was on a sticky wicket from the day he started at Leicester because of his Forest connection.

Did a good job at Forest though.

Would be better than the idiot, but that is a very low bar.

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Micky

Micky

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7 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

They’ve been delaying the inevitable for ages.  He should have gone after the Bournemouth debacle.

And even that would've probably been more than a few games too many as well.

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Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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Lot of us discussing Cooper, but odds on it will be Dick Spangle from the Championship, or the Goztepe kit man. Cooper would be a great relief, as despite the boat race appears quite normal. 

Saint In Cornwall

Saint In Cornwall

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5 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Lot of us discussing Cooper, but odds on it will be Dick Spangle from the Championship, or the Goztepe kit man. Cooper would be a great relief, as despite the boat race appears quite normal. 

Was thinking about that myself - quite a change from a poster boy wannabe to a guy that wouldn't look out of place on Notre Dame. ;)

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the colonel

the colonel

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Please not Cooper but do we deserve or likely to get anyone else with experience?

I'd love it to be Potter but so very unlikely. Or Moyes but again why would he.

Suspect it will be someone with no prem experience again.

trousers

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F**k it... Given we're already as good as down, give Big Sam a 6 month caretaker contract on a "nothing to lose" basis. Would just like to see what a 'proper' manager could get out of this squad in the PL. You heard it here first (and last).

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lambtiss

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Why are we all discussing Cooper when there is nothing linking him with us, as far as I know. 

We don't even know if Russ has been sacked. 

Badger

Badger

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44 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Cooper announcement 🙂

The Goonies Sloth GIF

 

6 minutes ago, Saint In Cornwall said:

Was thinking about that myself - quite a change from a poster boy wannabe to a guy that wouldn't look out of place on Notre Dame. ;)

Poor bastard hasn't been seriously linked, let alone appointed. God help him, how he will be pilloried and given abuse if results don't go his way early one. 

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SaintsFan86

SaintsFan86

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Any manager that you want, Isn't going to come here. Why would anyone wanna add a guaranteed relegation to their CV. Laughable really you are all suggesting such ludicrous names tbh.

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