Martin sacked (rumour)

[Matthew Le God]

11 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Any manager that you want, Isn't going to come here. Why would anyone wanna add a guaranteed relegation to their CV. Laughable really you are all suggesting such ludicrous names tbh.

Even with relegation looking likely, any manager would still be getting a big wage compared to many clubs throughout Europe (even after relegation) and a squad that should be capable of mounting a very good chance of promotion back to the PL. That still makes it an attractive job across Europe. Obviously not as attractive as if we were mid table with little threat of going down, but still an attractive job.

Edited 8 December, 2024 by Matthew Le God

[Pilchards]

From what I have been told, we were expecting the Manchester Ciry assistant, no idea of his name but I know it’s no longer happening now even after he gave us his word. No idea what has changed.

Ankerson raved about Carrick again recently but I doubt we will pay him to leave Boro plus pay off Russell Martin and his team which is NOT 12m despite the stuff written.

[Badger]

6 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

From what I have been told, we were expecting the Manchester Ciry assistant, no idea of his name but I know it’s no longer happening now even after he gave us his word. No idea what has changed.

Ankerson raved about Carrick again recently but I doubt we will pay him to leave Boro plus pay off Russell Martin and his team which is NOT 12m despite the stuff written.

Seriously ???? Wish we'd get over this fucking obsession ...

[notnowcato]

69 points up for grabs, 9 points from safety…. We’re not down by a long shot. If you don’t believe a new manager can’t save us then you’re setting an incredibly low bar. 

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, Badger said:

Seriously ???? Wish we'd get over this fucking obsession ...

We wanted Enzo Maresca last summer, would you not have been happy with that?

[Matthew Le God]

4 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

69 points up for grabs, 9 points from safety…. We’re not down by a long shot. If you don’t believe a new manager can’t save us then you’re setting an incredibly low bar. 

Might not sound a lot, but after 15 games that gap is nearly double our current total!

We are currently on course for 13 points from 38 games at the current rate! The upturn in form required to turn things round is significant! Especially given the mess we made vs some of the relegation rivals in home games.

Edited 8 December, 2024 by Matthew Le God

[Badger]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

We wanted Enzo Maresca last summer, would you not have been happy with that?

Not at the time, no.

I'm not sure he'd have done any better than RM to be honest, and the fact Leicester fans weren't sold on his style of football despite their season at the time, doesn't bode well. He's doing well at Chelsea but so he should with the squad and £ spent.

[Oldandtired]

7 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

69 points up for grabs, 9 points from safety…. We’re not down by a long shot. If you don’t believe a new manager can’t save us then you’re setting an incredibly low bar. 

That incredibly low bar is called Sports Republic and it’s already set.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Big Sam and Little Sam.

But not Big John and Little John, from the TV show, which was just creepy.

[Wade Garrett]

27 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Any manager that you want, Isn't going to come here. Why would anyone wanna add a guaranteed relegation to their CV. Laughable really you are all suggesting such ludicrous names tbh.

 Brilliant, another trolling idiot.

[Osvaldorama]

I’d rather have no manager than this fucking moron. Genuinely. 
 

Just get Jack Stephens or someone to do it. He’d probs be more use there than on the pitch. 
 

We can’t get any fucking worse than we are right now under this twat 

[FredVaFC59100]

21 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

69 points up for grabs, 9 points from safety…. We’re not down by a long shot. If you don’t believe a new manager can’t save us then you’re setting an incredibly low bar. 

shouldn't it be more like 10pts if you were to take goal difference into account ?

[notnowcato]

Just now, FredVaFC59100 said:

shouldn't it be more like 10pts if you were to take goal difference into account ?

Last time I checked 9+5=14 

[CB Fry]

26 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

69 points up for grabs, 9 points from safety…. We’re not down by a long shot. If you don’t believe a new manager can’t save us then you’re setting an incredibly low bar. 

We're not 9 points from safety. 

The next manager will not keep us up because your guy has fucked the entire season in 15 games.

Sacking the manager is not about staying up. It's about sacking. the. manager.

[CB Fry]

3 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Last time I checked 9+5=14 

I haven't checked for while so maybe you could list out the clubs that have survived relegation from the Premier League on 14 points?

[notnowcato]

15 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

 Brilliant, another trolling idiot.

Not necessarily. Who do you think is possible? I know you’re not the type to hold back or hide behind the “I’m not paid to make those decisions” bullshit. 

[SaintsFan86]

19 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

 Brilliant, another trolling idiot.

Why am I a troll?

Also, personal insults? Great forum this place is.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, BotleySaint said:

Martin has to go. But whoever takes over has to accept an almost guaranteed relegation on their C.V.

Can't see many of the decent options wanting that.

Everybody would know that he would not have been responsible for our relegation. 

[notnowcato]

4 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We're not 9 points from safety. 

The next manager will not keep us up because your guy has fucked the entire season in 15 games.

Sacking the manager is not about staying up. It's about sacking. the. manager.

You know what was meant. 9 points from being out of the relegation zone. 
 

It’s only 9 points with a bucket load to play for. Any manager worth his salt would think he could beat relegation. 
 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

32 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Might not sound a lot, but after 15 games that gap is nearly double our current total!

We are currently on course for 13 points from 38 games at the current rate! The upturn in form required to turn things round is significant! Especially given the mess we made vs some of the relegation rivals in home games.

We would need two points per game from now on. That means winning two out of every three games.

[notnowcato]

8 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We're not 9 points from safety. 

The next manager will not keep us up because your guy has fucked the entire season in 15 games.

Sacking the manager is not about staying up. It's about sacking. the. manager.

I get it now, sacking the manager is about ensuring relegation… great plan. 

Edited 8 December, 2024 by notnowcato

[SaintsFan86]

Just now, Whitey Grandad said:

We would need two points per game from now on. That means winning two out of every three games.

That would give us 15 wins, 45 points 

We would likely need to.win 10 out of the next 23, still highly unlikely.

[Badger]

46 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

From what I have been told, we were expecting the Manchester Ciry assistant, no idea of his name but I know it’s no longer happening now even after he gave us his word. No idea what has changed.

Ankerson raved about Carrick again recently but I doubt we will pay him to leave Boro plus pay off Russell Martin and his team which is NOT 12m despite the stuff written.

Haven’t we reliably been informed that Ankerson isn’t involved in decision making and recruitment at Saints but has a Group role ? Perhaps conflicts with Kraft’s Mr Football interview. 
 

 

Edited 8 December, 2024 by Badger

[Master Bates]

28 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Why am I a troll?

 

I've seen you sat under a bridge once.

[Weston Super Saint]

24 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

I get it now, sacking the manager is about ensuring relegation… great plan. 

You should be directing your ire at SR.

They were the ones who bought championship players (who largely don't even play) ready for next year in the Championship.

Allegedly, 'the plan' has involved relegation all along.

[Lord Duckhunter]

23 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

I get it now, sacking the manager is about ensuring relegation… great plan. 

We’re going to see more of this pony. Instead of admitting they were wrong, Lego fans boys are going to start having pops at the new man. Prepare for the “plenty of time to turn it round” fucking nonsense. 

[Fabrice29]

33 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Everybody would know that he would not have been responsible for our relegation. 

I think people conveniently forget that whilst you may think the next manager is not responsible for the relegation we still have to play and likely lose games on a regular basis for 5 months. That still involves not scoring many goals, defensive mistakes and all the other frustrations we’ve experienced so far. You, as a fan, will literally have to experience the games still every week and that won’t be a fun experience for anyone, including the manager.

Any new manager will be either

a) caretaker

b) overwhelmingly and borderline insanely positive we can still stay up

c) realistic but desperate for a crack at the PL (either again or 1st chance) because their reputation isn’t good enough to hold out for a better option elsewhere. 
 

that will rule out a lot mentioned in this thread. Probably except Cooper (option C).

fwiw I quite like finding someone in option B.

Edited 8 December, 2024 by Fabrice29

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

I think people conveniently forget that whilst you may think the next manager is not responsible for the relegation we still have to play and likely lose games on a regular basis for 5 months. That still involves not scoring many goals, defensive mistakes and all the other frustrations we’ve experienced so far. You, as a fan, will literally have to experience the games still every week and that won’t be a fun experience for anyone, including the manager.

Any new manager will be either

a) caretaker

b) overwhelmingly and borderline insanely positive we can still stay up

c) realistic but desperate for a crack at the PL (either again or 1st chance) because their reputation isn’t good enough to hold out for a better option elsewhere. 

d ) not Russell fucking Martin

e ) maybe not a complete clown - although past history doesn't instill much confidence.

[Dirkdiggler]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

I think people conveniently forget that whilst you may think the next manager is not responsible for the relegation we still have to play and likely lose games on a regular basis for 5 months. That still involves not scoring many goals, defensive mistakes and all the other frustrations we’ve experienced so far. You, as a fan, will literally have to experience the games still every week and that won’t be a fun experience for anyone, including the manager.

Any new manager will be either

a) caretaker

b) overwhelmingly and borderline insanely positive we can still stay up

c) realistic but desperate for a crack at the PL (either again or 1st chance) because their reputation isn’t good enough to hold out for a better option elsewhere. 

 A new manager might realise that the players at their disposal can’t play like Man City and set them up to their collective strengths…….. but that would be crazy? No? 
Let’s keep good ol Russel Roulette and continue with same shit every game 😆

[bangkoksaint]

34 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

We would need two points per game from now on. That means winning two out of every three games.

That’s a sobering statistic 

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

d ) not Russell fucking Martin

e ) maybe not a complete clown - although past history doesn't instill much confidence.

 

Just now, Dirkdiggler said:

 A new manager might realise that the players at their disposal can’t play like Man City and set them up to their collective strengths…….. but that would be crazy? No? 
Let’s keep good ol Russel Roulette and continue with same shit every game 😆

Yeah that’s fine and all hail that’s it not RM anymore but I’m responding to the point that ‘we can prepare for next season’ and this weird belief that just because it’s not RM anymore the vibes won’t be bad if we lose a few games.

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

 

Yeah that’s fine and all hail that’s it not RM anymore but I’m responding to the point that ‘we can prepare for next season’ and this weird belief that just because it’s not RM anymore the vibes won’t be bad if we lose a few games.

The vibes will be bad if we lose a few games (probably more than a few) if we carry on playing like we are.

The vibes won't be bad if we start showing some fight, use players productively and drop the tombola / best mate team selections.

95% of the fanbase accept we are already relegated. Showing some balls on the pitch might start to cheer the fans up.

A novel idea I know, but it might just work.

[The Left Back]

44 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

We would need two points per game from now on. That means winning two out of every three games.

23 games left - two points per game, gives us 51 points.  Not really enough for a European push at least 15 more than we'll need for survival.  

 

9 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

That’s a sobering statistic 

It's also fake news 

 

Let's assume we need 34 points to stay up.  We have 5 so we need 29 more that's either 8 wins and 5 draws or 9 wins and 2 draws.  The depressing thing about relegation battles (as compared to promotion ones) is how few games we actually win in a season.  Just look back at the various Great Escapes and take the rose coloured specs off.  Each time the escape was preceded by 6 months of garbage.

Edited 8 December, 2024 by The Left Back
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[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

Even with relegation looking likely, any manager would still be getting a big wage compared to many clubs throughout Europe (even after relegation) and a squad that should be capable of mounting a very good chance of promotion back to the PL. That still makes it an attractive job across Europe. Obviously not as attractive as if we were mid table with little threat of going down, but still an attractive job.

This all sounds great until you actually look at a list of people appointed to clubs in our position over the last couple of years mid season, including ourselves. And then you realise how appealing it really is. 

[Fabrice29]

2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The vibes will be bad if we lose a few games (probably more than a few) if we carry on playing like we are.

The vibes won't be bad if we start showing some fight, use players productively and drop the tombola / best mate team selections.

95% of the fanbase accept we are already relegated. Showing some balls on the pitch might start to cheer the fans up.

A novel idea I know, but it might just work.

They will mate, but happy to be proven wrong. Hopefully we’ll actually win some games and we won’t have to revisit it.

[OneMrsWallace]

14 hours ago, Ralph Fastenbüttl said:

Upon reading the Echo report on Martin's post-match comments, I texted a mate the following:

"For fear of tempting fate, every one of these comments reads like a bloke who is out of ideas and knows that he's losing his job, no?"

I thought that too. Didn't he say something along the lines of I don't know how to teach them these things anymore? That's not a manage who's usually around for long. 

[LiberalCommunist]

We don’t need a new manager for our survival this season. We need a new manager for our sanity next season. Get it done. 

[swannymere]

Redknapp is available.

[miserableoldgit]

I can handle a relegation fight........I have seen it before a few times.......what I can't handle is not winning any games and possibly ending up with a points total in single figures.

[bangkoksaint]

Absolutely because what we’re enduring isn’t a fight currently it’s a capitulation. 

Edited 8 December, 2024 by bangkoksaint

[Lee On Solent Saint]

11 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

They will mate, but happy to be proven wrong. Hopefully we’ll actually win some games and we won’t have to revisit it.

Your latest posts suggest that you know that Martin is going/gone. You aren't really trying so hard now to disuade posters that you aren't club PR.

[bangkoksaint]

7 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

I can handle a relegation fight........I have seen it before a few times.......what I can't handle is not winning any games and possibly ending up with a points total in single figures.

Absolutely because what we’re enduring isn’t a fight currently it’s a capitulation. 

[Mr X]

1 hour ago, notnowcato said:

69 points up for grabs, 9 points from safety…. We’re not down by a long shot. If you don’t believe a new manager can’t save us then you’re setting an incredibly low bar. 

Literally no team has ever survived with our points tally of 5 at this stage of the season 

[Jack]

16 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said:

We don’t need a new manager for our survival this season. We need a new manager for our sanity next season. Get it done. 

And this season. We’ve got 23 more games to go, I don’t think the fans can endure what are essentially training games for the opposition, walking football, nothing to get excited about. 
 

We urgently need a change, at least some hope or something to cling onto. Russball sucked the life out of the club and fans within 10 games 

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, notnowcato said:

I get it now, sacking the manager is about ensuring relegation… great plan. 

We're relegated already so fuck knows where you've cooked up that shite.

[ChrisPY]

1 hour ago, Pilchards said:

From what I have been told, we were expecting the Manchester Ciry assistant, no idea of his name but I know it’s no longer happening now even after he gave us his word. No idea what has changed.

Ankerson raved about Carrick again recently but I doubt we will pay him to leave Boro plus pay off Russell Martin and his team which is NOT 12m despite the stuff written.

Carlos Vicens. Think there’s still a chance it happens but your info might be more recent than mine.

[Maggie May]

Delete this thread. He’s not going to be sacked.

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, notnowcato said:

You know what was meant. 9 points from being out of the relegation zone. 
 

It’s only 9 points with a bucket load to play for. Any manager worth his salt would think he could beat relegation. 
 

 

It's still a shit metric.

In the 3 games (bare minimum) it will take us to get those points why are the rest of our rivals conveniently losing every single game?

Even if we got those 9 points we'd still be in the relegation zone guaranteed. That's the point.

We all know what you're doing by the way. It won't work.

 

Last point - why hasn't the manager we've got now not done better than 5 points from 15 matches? Are you admitting he's not "worth his salt"?.

Edited 8 December, 2024 by CB Fry

[Maggie May]

Just now, ChrisPY said:

Carlos Vicens. Think there’s still a chance it happens but your info might be more recent than mine.

City have won once in eight games. We can do better than that.

[capitalsaint]

7 minutes ago, ChrisPY said:

Carlos Vicens. Think there’s still a chance it happens but your info might be more recent than mine.

Not the first time he has changed his mind!

 

“On 6 May 2022, Eredivisie team Heraclesannounced that Vicens would take charge of its first team from 1 July 2022, after having signed a two-year contract.^[8] However, in June, a few days after Heracles were relegated for the first time in 17 years,^[9] Vicens mutually parted ways with the Dutch club, choosing to stay on at Manchester City instead.^[10]”