Sunglasses Ron Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 (edited) Jack Stephens - A Temu John Stones Edited October 1 by Sunglasses Ron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Can we appeal for an even longer ban. For our captain to be so insulting to the officials, it should be at least 6 months. Totally unacceptable behaviour. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Can we appeal for ten games and a stripping of the captaincy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Get him starting songs in the Northam Wall He’d love ‘My Old Man said be a Pompey Fan’, especially the lyrics in the last two lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Special Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 32 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: Get him starting songs in the Northam Wall He’d love ‘My Old Man said be a Pompey Fan’, especially the lyrics in the last two lines. Don't hear that song enough nowadays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 It'll be interesting to see how many extra games Bruno Fernandes gets for chasing after the referee following his dismissal and getting right up in his face. I'm pretty sure it will be zero. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 3 minutes ago, rallyboy said: It'll be interesting to see how many extra games Bruno Fernandes gets for chasing after the referee following his dismissal and getting right up in his face. I'm pretty sure it will be zero. He’s just had his red card overturned, so minus 3 is your answer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 25 minutes ago, Football Special said: Don't hear that song enough nowadays Surprising as it’s about them and a healthy sprinkling of swear words. Right up the youths’ street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 10 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: Can we appeal for an even longer ban. For our captain to be so insulting to the officials, it should be at least 6 months. Totally unacceptable behaviour. Absolutely this………is it little wonder that the younger generation think such behaviour is acceptable when they see the supposed captain of their team speaking to people in authority in such a way? Teachers, Police Officers, firefighters, nurses the list goes on are abused on a daily basis because it seems to have become the norm that this sort of abuse is acceptable. Sorry but personally I think he should be stripped of the captaincy and got an even longer ban. RM talks about ‘bravery’……well Russ be brave and do the right thing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 3 hours ago, bangkoksaint said: Absolutely this………is it little wonder that the younger generation think such behaviour is acceptable when they see the supposed captain of their team speaking to people in authority in such a way? Teachers, Police Officers, firefighters, nurses the list goes on are abused on a daily basis because it seems to have become the norm that this sort of abuse is acceptable. Sorry but personally I think he should be stripped of the captaincy and got an even longer ban. RM talks about ‘bravery’……well Russ be brave and do the right thing. Thing is if he'd been hard done by it would be a little more understandable but come on Jack, you must have known it was a bad one and you ran a real risk of going off in this day and age. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 3 hours ago, beatlesaint said: Thing is if he'd been hard done by it would be a little more understandable but come on Jack, you must have known it was a bad one and you ran a real risk of going off in this day and age. He was just n the wrong position. He shouldn’t have been out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: He was just n the wrong position. He shouldn’t have been out there. Out there as in out there on the pitch you mean ? Totally agree 🤣 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 😂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) It just shows what a sorry state of affairs we find ourselves in. We are leaking goals left, right and centre.... and not one of us thinks that our longest serving Centre Back and CAPTAIN of the team can help us (even one bit) to fix the defensive issues, and instead we unanimously call for him to be banned for longer 🤣 Edited October 2 by St Louis 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) While the emphasis of media attention seems to be on the lifespan of Russell Martin as manager, and a section of our "fans" continue denigrating the players at every turn, the sight of our team captain being further punished for a mouth full of insults to the match officials does little to improve the club's image as one of the country's top 20 sides. Our mismatched squad is composed of a mix of "veteran" players, and some promising young talents, alongside a handful of players best-known for their performances in the Championship, who have yet to prove themselves at this higher level, and so the bad string of opening results, whilst disappointing, are not really so surprising. As this thread is supposed to be about Jack Stephens, we ought to consider his situation. Jack will be 31 in January and despite his long, and loyal service in the club ( 13 years to date ) he can hardly be considered to be one of the best CB's we've had in that time. IF his suspension has taught him any lessons, he will get his act together and start to show up as the role model that team captains are apparently supposed to be. His enthusiasm and dedication cannot be called into doubt, but life in the Prem. is a tough call for many players and particularly those over 30, and so his future performances will be particularly interesting to watch (as soon as he gets back to play) plus the fact that his contract is due to run out next summer. There does not seem to be a " natural successor " for the role of captain, even though a few have been given the armband on occasions. Edited October 2 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 3 hours ago, david in sweden said: While the emphasis of media attention seems to be on the lifespan of Russell Martin as manager, and a section of our "fans" continue denigrating the players at every turn, the sight of our team captain being further punished for a mouth full of insults to the match officials does little to improve the club's image as one of the country's top 20 sides. Our mismatched squad is composed of a mix of "veteran" players, and some promising young talents, alongside a handful of players best-known for their performances in the Championship, who have yet to prove themselves at this higher level, and so the bad string of opening results, whilst disappointing, are not really so surprising. As this thread is supposed to be about Jack Stephens, we ought to consider his situation. Jack will be 31 in January and despite his long, and loyal service in the club ( 13 years to date ) he can hardly be considered to be one of the best CB's we've had in that time. IF his suspension has taught him any lessons, he will get his act together and start to show up as the role model that team captains are apparently supposed to be. His enthusiasm and dedication cannot be called into doubt, but life in the Prem. is a tough call for many players and particularly those over 30, and so his future performances will be particularly interesting to watch (as soon as he gets back to play) plus the fact that his contract is due to run out next summer. There does not seem to be a " natural successor " for the role of captain, even though a few have been given the armband on occasions. being the captain of this team ATM dosnt matter a jot,cause the twat in charge of picking the team and tactics aint got a clue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 3 hours ago, Roo1976 said: being the captain of this team ATM dosnt matter a jot,cause the twat in charge of picking the team and tactics aint got a clue. Indeed he hasn’t. He kept picking Stephens. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 I have it on good authority that during the Pochettino / Koeman era at Saints, Captain Jack's playful nickname within the squad was 'Trigger'. This may have been somewhat optimistic. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintinnot Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Stephens was irresponsible in getting sent off and getting caught swearing- as captain he should be setting an example. However IMO he is no worse than the other CB’s we have - take a look at the defending for the last 2 games - it’s really improved hasn’t it . i did some maths on last years games and in league games (excluding playoffs) we achieved 2.06 points per game in which he played and 1.66 points per game in the games he didn’t play. yes maybe he isn’t good enough but then so aren’t Bednarek and THB, so I don’t get the hatred towards Stephens and not the others. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintinnot Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 I meant last seasons games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4 Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 34 minutes ago, Saintinnot said: Stephens was irresponsible in getting sent off and getting caught swearing- as captain he should be setting an example. However IMO he is no worse than the other CB’s we have - take a look at the defending for the last 2 games - it’s really improved hasn’t it . i did some maths on last years games and in league games (excluding playoffs) we achieved 2.06 points per game in which he played and 1.66 points per game in the games he didn’t play. yes maybe he isn’t good enough but then so aren’t Bednarek and THB, so I don’t get the hatred towards Stephens and not the others. I think the issue is the constant Shoe horning of the side for him to be in it, not how good of a player he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintinnot Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Yes , but you could argue that for 2.06 points per game when playing we should have been shoehorning him in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 On 03/10/2024 at 11:13, Miltonaggro said: I have it on good authority that during the Pochettino / Koeman era at Saints, Captain Jack's playful nickname within the squad was 'Trigger'. This may have been somewhat optimistic. it was, i heard that too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 On 03/10/2024 at 11:13, Miltonaggro said: I have it on good authority that during the Pochettino / Koeman era at Saints, Captain Jack's playful nickname within the squad was 'Trigger'. This may have been somewhat optimistic. Do you mean Tigger ? 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 3 hours ago, Saintinnot said: Yes , but you could argue that for 2.06 points per game when playing we should have been shoehorning him in ? You’ve been looking at too many statistics. It wasn’t 2.06 points per games this season, was it? What the hell is 0.06 of a point anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarberSaint Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 16 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: You’ve been looking at too many statistics. It wasn’t 2.06 points per games this season, was it? What the hell is 0.06 of a point anyway? The mean average number of points we'll get this season over 38 league games. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 21 minutes ago, BarberSaint said: The mean average number of points we'll get this season over 38 league games. HTH. Do you really think I was being serious? Mean and average are different things. If that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh no Mick Mills Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 4 hours ago, Saintinnot said: Yes , but you could argue that for 2.06 points per game when playing we should have been shoehorning him in ? I've never understood the constant hounding and criticism of Stephens. Certain people on here seem pretty obsessed with him tbh. Always found it strange to dislike one of our own players so much. I agree with the fact he's a fairly mediocre player with clear flaws in his game but there's only marginal differences between him and Bedders and THB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Oh no Mick Mills said: I've never understood the constant hounding and criticism of Stephens. Certain people on here seem pretty obsessed with him tbh. Always found it strange to dislike one of our own players so much. I agree with the fact he's a fairly mediocre player with clear flaws in his game but there's only marginal differences between him and Bedders and THB. I dont think anyone particularly dislikes him, we all want him to do well. Most people seem to agree that it's a bit strange the manager seemed to find a way of playing him no matter what last season in some very strange positions too. It also doesn't help that his introduction to the team in 2017 came off the back of Van Dijk being injured and Fonte leaving which really highlighted the gap in quality between a very good defender and a bottom half one. Edited October 4 by Turkish 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 15 minutes ago, Oh no Mick Mills said: I've never understood the constant hounding and criticism of Stephens. Certain people on here seem pretty obsessed with him tbh. Always found it strange to dislike one of our own players so much. I agree with the fact he's a fairly mediocre player with clear flaws in his game but there's only marginal differences between him and Bedders and THB. He's just not very good. His inevitable mistakes and lack of discipline cause us problems. I've never forgotten the way he rushed off and left Ibrahimovic unmarked for that third goal at Wembley. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: He's just not very good. His inevitable mistakes and lack of discipline cause us problems. I've never forgotten the way he rushed off and left Ibrahimovic unmarked for that third goal at Wembley. That was a frustrating moment but him and Yoshida otherwise acquitted themselves well at Wembley, Fraser’s error on the free kick was very damaging. From there I expected him to kick on but the ball watching and losing strikers has become a more regular habit than it should be for someone with what, 150 PL starts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said: That was a frustrating moment but him and Yoshida otherwise acquitted themselves well at Wembley, Fraser’s error on the free kick was very damaging. From there I expected him to kick on but the ball watching and losing strikers has become a more regular habit than it should be for someone with what, 150 PL starts? "Otherwise well"? Apart from that Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? He hasn't improved in the slightest. Championship was his upper limit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: "Otherwise well"? Apart from that Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? He hasn't improved in the slightest. Championship was his upper limit. That’s what I meant, to clarify, that he made a mistake you’d expect from a 22/23 year old back up CB against an all time great forward, but that many of us thought he could improve his concentration and positioning as he got into his mid-late 20s when players in that position typically peak. Allied to his ability to bring the ball out. And he hasn’t, really, he’s struggled even this season to look like the squad centre back he was under Ralph and at Bournemouth. Arguably, the technical ability on the ball had diminished as well. Only early 30s now and thought he’d be absolute peak now when seeing him as a younger player. Les was a disgrace that January to have sold Fonte and only brought in a half-fit Caceres. Plus Vardy crocking VVD. Edited October 4 by Gloucester Saint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarberSaint Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 On 04/10/2024 at 20:23, Gloucester Saint said: That’s what I meant, to clarify, that he made a mistake you’d expect from a 22/23 year old back up CB against an all time great forward, but that many of us thought he could improve his concentration and positioning as he got into his mid-late 20s when players in that position typically peak. Allied to his ability to bring the ball out. And he hasn’t, really, he’s struggled even this season to look like the squad centre back he was under Ralph and at Bournemouth. Arguably, the technical ability on the ball had diminished as well. Only early 30s now and thought he’d be absolute peak now when seeing him as a younger player. Les was a disgrace that January to have sold Fonte and only brought in a half-fit Caceres. Plus Vardy crocking VVD. I don't know why people thought his concentration would improve over time. If anything, the opposite was likely to happen. That's the kind of thing you address early to make it go away or it'll stick. On 04/10/2024 at 16:00, Whitey Grandad said: Do you really think I was being serious? Mean and average are different things. If that helps. Serious, no? Nor was I. Last I looked mean, median and mode were still 'averages' though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 (edited) 7 hours ago, BarberSaint said: I don't know why people thought his concentration would improve over time. If anything, the opposite was likely to happen. That's the kind of thing you address early to make it go away or it'll stick. I get where GS is coming from here, because my thoughts were similar. In his younger days, the weaknesses he showed looked like the sort of things that could be coached out of him or just improve with time and experience, because he's always shown decent ability on the ball and CBs do tend to take longer to mature. So it wasn't unreasonable to assume that he might have developed into a really good player. But, as has been pointed out, he seems to have gone the opposite way and hasn't eliminated those shortcomings from his game at all. Edited October 10 by Sheaf Saint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 I’m sorry but manager after manager has found him out eventually but Russell Martin thinks he’s van diyk. He’s let us down already this season and for me after today shouldn’t play for us ever again let alone be captain. RM has credit in the bank from me but him sticking up for Stephens after the game and saying he’s been fantastic for us has fully turned me Russell out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 2 minutes ago, Roger said: I’m sorry but manager after manager has found him out eventually but Russell Martin thinks he’s van diyk. He’s let us down already this season and for me after today shouldn’t play for us ever again let alone be captain. RM has credit in the bank from me but him sticking up for Stephens after the game and saying he’s been fantastic for us has fully turned me Russell out. Welcome to the silent majority Roger, although it’s been slightly less silent the last two home games. Judging by his arrogant post-match ravings, the penny still hasn’t dropped with Rusty the Clown.🤡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Watson Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 A perfect reason to sell the moron in january,or the nd of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 Just now, Andrew Watson said: A perfect reason to sell the moron in january,or the nd of the season. Who’d want him? Rooney might, if he survives there, loan him home and pay 95% of the wages. Might help all parties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Watson Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 A few Plymouth fans here in Launceston,perhaps they can put in a word to the hierachy at Home Park,re Stephens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 A damagingly limited footballer, and a total moron. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 I like Jack's passion. Its good to have him around the club. Of course that does not excuse the stupidity of getting sent off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 7 minutes ago, benali-shorts said: A damagingly limited footballer, and a total moron. It’s the stupidity of tonight that really annoys me. He knows there are cameras everywhere, watching everything yet he thinks giving the defender a little tug of the hair is ok and nobody will notice? Unbelievable. Hopefully he got a big hug off Russ and all is forgiven so their bromance can continue……….hopefully at another club !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 Just now, Sergei Gotsmanov said: I like Jack's passion. Its good to have him around the club. Of course that does not excuse the stupidity of getting sent off. Depends on the sending off. A good crunching tackle sometimes you can often excuse, even applaud depending who it’s on ! But pulling a blokes hair is pretty bloody stupid. And not a red card in my view either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 He’ll be back in as captain as soon as his four game ban is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnia Cherie Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 What an utter embarrassment is Jack Stephens. There we are rock bottom of the League and our esteemed CAPTAIN behaves like that. What a prat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 17 games in to the season and he will have been suspended for 9 of them. 6 of those for a combination of using the ‘C’ word and pulling an opponents hair. Very unprofessional for a ‘captain’. Tonight he was the one to lead us through this difficult fixture with the squad crisis, instead he just added to it. He is letting us down this season and I would question if he should be the player representing our football club as captain, especially when he doesn’t even make my best 11. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 Clearly not the sharpest tool in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 22 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: It’s the stupidity of tonight that really annoys me. He knows there are cameras everywhere, watching everything yet he thinks giving the defender a little tug of the hair is ok and nobody will notice? Unbelievable. Hopefully he got a big hug off Russ and all is forgiven so their bromance can continue……….hopefully at another club !!! To be fair Russ totally avoided making eye contact with him when he went off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 I wonder what his next trick is going to be. Perhaps he will give an opponent a prostate exam whilst defending a corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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