Brighton 1-1 Saints - Match Thread

[stknowle]

To be fair we did well 2nd half. The 2nd goal was correctly ruled out if you apply the absolute technical letter of the rules. I don’t mind that but I do mind when it isn’t applied in the same manner in every game (See Arsenal away when 100% they should have had one of their’s disallowed for exactly the same reason).

Apart from that I lurve Tyler Dibling. What a player.

[Colinjb]

Signs of life. 

Pointless, presumably futile in the context of this season signs. But something. 

Still want Russell Martin to cease to exist mind. 

[Convict Colony]

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

Few of our coaches not happy with Dunk for some reason.

It was Martin v their coach, they had a go at each other on the touchline after final whistle and then on pitch when shaking hands with players.

[Zorba]

8 minutes ago, sandwichsaint said:

Technically mobility aids aren't limbs.

Are dildos classed as limbs?

[Saint NL]

Just now, LeG said:

Next game without Downes, THB and Dibling will be crazy. That's the spine of our team gone.

That's before you realise we might not have a fit goalkeeper..... 😂

[scumbag]

What's up with that bell end brighton manager?  Get your head out your arse, it wasn't too long ago you were playing in a car park.

[Saint_clark]

1 minute ago, Convict Colony said:

It was Martin v their coach, they had a go at each other on the touchline after final whistle and then on pitch when shaking hands with players.

There was that but one of our coaches was having a go at Dunk as well while Martin and another walked away looking pissed off.

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, Convict Colony said:

It was Martin v their coach, they had a go at each other on the touchline after final whistle and then on pitch when shaking hands with players.

He disrespected Russell’s beard

Edited November 29 by tdmickey3

[Saint_Jonny]

VAR can eat my ass. So bored of it. 

[St. Ciervo]

I mean, you cannot really blame VAR when it was actually ruled offsides initially, right?

[Oldandtired]

1 minute ago, tdmickey3 said:

H disrespected Russell’s beard

I thought he told him to get a haircut

[OneMrsWallace]

Way better second half than that pathetic effort at Wolves. Seems we may have learnt something at last. Good point against a good team. Shame the one critical VAR decision was poorly handled but we just have to accept it. I feel weirdly content despite the awful first half performance. 

[kevdoh]

7 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Are you for real?
 

You would rather be bottom on 4 fuckin points than 1 goal from 2nd?

 I think you are the helmet mush

Go and support Brighton then you halfwit.I spent most of the 90's watching my team bottom of the league. For what it's worth Brighton spent most of my life in the bottom leagues with attendances of 3000. I don't give a shit where we are in the league. You're the fucking helmet

[Oldandtired]

Just now, St. Ciervo said:

I mean, you cannot really blame VAR when it was actually ruled offsides initially, right?

As things stand it wouldn't have stood in the championship either as the ref called it offside.

[Saint_clark]

Just now, St. Ciervo said:

I mean, you cannot really blame VAR when it was actually ruled offsides initially, right?

You can because he flagged for offside against Archer which is why they checked that first. Then they looked for any other reason to disallow it once they realised Archer was onside.

[beatlesaint]

The line up against Chelsea is gonna be frightening !

[pingpong]

Back on track, we could even get as many as 15pts, silencing the naysayers one point at a time...

[redandwhitey]

If it wasn’t for bad luck, we wouldn’t have any luck at all. As my old dad would say 

[Lighthouse]

Just now, Saint_clark said:

You can because he flagged for offside against Archer which is why they checked that first. Then they looked for any other reason to disallow it once they realised Archer was onside.

How do you know that?

[Monk]

I’m the first one to hammer him at any opportunity so only fair I put my hands up (still calling him a wanker after).

Better second half, we hit spaces quicker (either with a ball carrier or 15 yard pass instead of the silly x3 players playing 5 yard passes). With this personnel we’ll always be one off balance pass away from a mistake but we look better when we have variety in our play. 

Dibling btw 👏🏼 

[Saint_clark]

Dibling making a little comment about not playing last season, clearly felt he should have been.

[Saint_clark]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

How do you know that?

Because that's how VAR works. They check the on field decision first then check surrounding incidents.

[hypochondriac]

Lumley 

Sugawara kwp Wood Stephens Manning 

Aribo ugachukwu 

Fernandes Fraser 

Archer 

Should be fun. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

Dibling making a little comment about not playing last season, clearly felt he should have been.

Which he clearly should have. I'd be giving Amo Ameyew MOR of a chance this year too. 

[david in sweden]

1 hour ago, charliemiller said:

https://one.halftimer.shop/fplayer/player/17.php

Thanks Charlie, at least I got to see the best half...

[Whitey Grandad]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Lumley 

Sugawara kwp Wood Stephens Manning 

Aribo ugachukwu 

Fernandes Fraser 

Archer 

Should be fun. 

Fun for Chelsea.

[Saint_clark]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Lumley 

Sugawara kwp Wood Stephens Manning 

Aribo ugachukwu 

Fernandes Fraser 

Archer 

Should be fun. 

Lumley

Bree Edwards Stephens KWP

Aribo Fernandes

Archer SAA

Onuachu

 

Still loses but gives a chance to other players.

Edited November 29 by Saint_clark

[skintsaint]

Would have took a point before the game, first half horrible, 2nd half better. Shame to pick up 3 suspensions for the Chelsea game though.

RM out.

[Saint NL]

Sky pundits aren't overly impressed with the var decision. 

[RedArmy]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Lumley 

Sugawara kwp Wood Stephens Manning 

Aribo ugachukwu 

Fernandes Fraser 

Archer 

Should be fun. 

Les can’t play he’s on loan from Chelsea 

[St. Ciervo]

Uga cannot play against Chelsea, yea?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

A much more even second half. The passing that we're good at paid off in a nice move, where we didn't give up and got it in.

While we're not a side to take advantage of anything resembling momentum, Brighton did give us more room after that, which suits our passing game.

The big moment was VAR ruling some sort of active intent from AA in the middle, before Archer finished it. It seemed very harsh. As the minutes ticked by, you could tell they were going to find something there. That no doubt caused the squabbles between coaches then and at the end.

Brighton skimmed the post late on. We had moments where better decisions would have perhaps given us some opportunities. Neither really troubled the keeper too much.

Martin will be pleased with a lot of that. But there were still plenty of areas to improve on. Not too good to get carried away for just getting an away point.

THB, Downes and Dibling missing against Chelsea. Some interesting use of the team tombola ahead of that one.

 

[Saint_clark]

They've just put the offside rules up, every line of the rules stares "which impacts the ability of the opponent to play the ball",  nothing Armstrong did prevented anyone from playing the ball.

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

Because that's how VAR works. They check the on field decision first then check surrounding incidents.

I thought they checked Archer first because he was the scorer, then worked backward in time from that. Either way, that’s beside the point. Assuming you’re correct, all that means is that without VAR the goal still gets disallowed but for the wrong player being offside. How does that improve the situation?

[RedArmy]

Just now, Saint_clark said:

They've just put the offside rules up, every line of the rules stares "which impacts the ability of the opponent to play the ball",  nothing Armstrong did prevented anyone from playing the ball.

They said he affected the keeper. Someone show me a replay that shows that, I’ll wait. 

[OttawaSaint]

Just now, Saint_clark said:

They've just put the offside rules up, every line of the rules stares "which impacts the ability of the opponent to play the ball",  nothing Armstrong did prevented anyone from playing the ball.

But our forum experts said it was a perfect decision. Not sure who to trust now. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Lumley

Bree Edwards Stephens KWP

Aribo Lesley

Archer Fernandes

Onuachu

 

Still loses but gives a chance to other players.

I'm assuming Onuachu is still injured. Can't see us dropping Sugawara. I'd like to see Edwards given a chance too though. 

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

They've just put the offside rules up, every line of the rules stares "which impacts the ability of the opponent to play the ball",  nothing Armstrong did prevented anyone from playing the ball.

Their keeper positioning himself to save a potential shot from Armstrong impacted his ability to save a shot at the far post.

[saintant]

Again we saw that this team is not as bad as Russell is making them look. We gave the ball away numerous times by trying to be too cute. We don't need to do it and we are not good enough to do it nor is Martin smart enough to coach it. Keep it simpler and hit more long balls and the likes of Dibling and Fernandes will give opponents a lot more to think about.

[SWLondon Saint]

Just now, RedArmy said:

They said he affected the keeper. Someone show me a replay that shows that, I’ll wait. 

They can't and won't. It was exactly the same decision as the Arsenal goal against us except Merino actually made a proper try to head the ball. AA still pretty brain dead though to even flick at it when he was AHEAD of the ball when it was played....

[Saint_clark]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

I thought they checked Archer first because he was the scorer, then worked backward in time from that. Either way, that’s beside the point. Assuming you’re correct, all that means is that without VAR the goal still gets disallowed but for the wrong player being offside. How does that improve the situation?

It doesn't, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that VAR found a reason to disallow the goal that was utter bullshit and isn't actually consistent with their own rules.

[Saint_clark]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

Their keeper positioning himself to save a potential shot from Armstrong impacted his ability to save a shot at the far post.

No it didn't. Look at where he is when Fraser plays the ball - physically impossible for him to get across the goal by the time archer shoots.

[Oldandtired]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

I thought they checked Archer first because he was the scorer, then worked backward in time from that. Either way, that’s beside the point. Assuming you’re correct, all that means is that without VAR the goal still gets disallowed but for the wrong player being offside. How does that improve the situation?

From the amount of time they took to make the decision it had to be subjective. I thought the whole point of introducing VAR was to take subjectivity out of the equation.

[Saint_clark]

Splitting headache, my blood pressure isn't great right now.

[saintant]

1 minute ago, RedArmy said:

They said he affected the keeper. Someone show me a replay that shows that, I’ll wait. 

Whether Armstrong was there or sat at home in his living room he did not impact on their keeper and the goal should have stood. I wonder if that gets ruled out if scored by an Arsenal or Liverpool - I somehow doubt it.

[Jimmy_D]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

Their keeper positioning himself to save a potential shot from Armstrong impacted his ability to save a shot at the far post.

Reading it like that means that there’s no point in even having the ‘not interfering’ clause. Every single goal with a non-interfering player offside the keeper can claim they’ve been affected by that player.

[AllyD]

Dibling and Harwood-Bellis suspended for Chelsea game!!!

[SWLondon Saint]

For the Downes goal, was anyone else yelling about how many touches AA wants to take in the box? He had a touch out of his feet then a clear chance to hit it but took 2 more and it was blocked. Lucky it fell to Downes...

[Harry_SFC]

Thought we were good second half. We just need to get the ball to Fernandes and Dibling as quickly as we can. Sack off the tippy tappy crap and pass to your best players as much as possible. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

8 minutes ago, St. Ciervo said:

I mean, you cannot really blame VAR when it was actually ruled offsides initially, right?

This is the point a lot seem to be missing. Without VAR, it would have been offside as that was the on field decision. 

 

The issue for me is the length of time. Ridiculous. The Lino must have  flagged for AA (because if he hadn’t the ref would have been sent to monitor if VAR deemed interference), so therefore that was the only check required. If they think it’s not interfering then they need to draw the lines to check Archer. They did it arse about face, with the irrelevant decision taking the time.