Relegation sales/ Leavers

[tdmickey3]

Ramsdale

Fernandes

Dibling

KWP

Tall Paul

THB

Downes if he has any sense

Anyone I’ve missed 

 

[Harry_SFC]

Imagine we'll finally be rid of Sulemena and ABK, if they don't go in January that is. Not sure how many takers there will be for Downes. Possibly Ipswich again if they stay up. 

[tdmickey3]

Just now, Harry_SFC said:

Imagine we'll finally be rid of Sulemena and ABK, if they don't go in January that is. Not sure how many takers there will be for Downes. Possibly Ipswich again if they stay up. 

Sure ABK will be glad to get away if he’s deemed worse the Stephens and  natural midfielder 

[Toussaint]

Russ will be first rat to leave the ship. 

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, Toussaint said:

Russ will be first rat to leave the ship. 

That’s the good news 

[SotonianWill]

2 hours ago, Toussaint said:

Russ will be first rat to leave the ship. 

He’ll probably get a better job as well, somehow. 

[Turkish]

Surely someone else will spot the quality that is Jack Stephens? Most clubs need that left back/centre back/centre mid/winger role Stephens excels in

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

Imagine we'll finally be rid of Sulemena and ABK, if they don't go in January that is. Not sure how many takers there will be for Downes. Possibly Ipswich again if they stay up. 

Don’t bank on it we couldn’t get rid of them last time

[Gloucester Saint]

Hopefully and most importantly Sports Republic. Absolute disaster at SFC, increasingly so at Valenciennes, and very mixed at Goztepe. 

With the parachute payments and infrastructure there, it’s a decent proposition for someone who knows that they are doing. Otherwise this is going to turn into Venkys at Blackburn or the Reading situation. 

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, SotonianWill said:

He’ll probably get a better job as well, somehow. 

That is nailed on. 

[Lighthouse]

4 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Ramsdale

Fernandes

Dibling

KWP

Tall Paul

THB

Downes

I would expect to lose those players, possibly with the exception of Downes, and hopefully add Lallana, ABK and Sully. With Les and Max’s loans finishing it actually leaves us with a decent Championship squad in terms of size and quality, without having to make any signings, which may be something of a relief.

[Gloucester Saint]

4 hours ago, Toussaint said:

Russ will be first rat to leave the ship. 

Imagine the state of the fans forums by May if he’s still here somehow (he won’t be). Stadium definitely starting to ferment today with his petulant behaviour that us plebs don’t share his ‘Philosophy’. And that was after a very decent display marred by more Conference South goals caused by ‘playing out’.

I looked at the UI for the first time in months, smaller sample size but on here is quite civilised compared to the febrile atmosphere on there. Sorry 8x8 lads, you won’t enjoy hearing that. Clinging onto Martin is also putting Rasmus into the spotlight and his CV being seriously scrutinised.

If Valenciennes are still in mid-table in a part-time league, SR will need to deal with the fallout of protests there as well.

Sell up and buy a chain of hotels or something. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Clinging onto Martin is also putting Rasmus into the spotlight and his CV being seriously scrutinised.

A wild guess or ITK?

I really don’t think Rasmus has anything to worry himself about - yet. Nor has Russ…dire finances are almost certainly keeping him here. He’ll take us down and be given the task of re-building for the promotion push - he’ll not get a better job offer.

[Saint_clark]

How many first team squad players did we lose last time? I always think these lists of players leaving look unrealistically extensive, relegated clubs rarely sell the majority of their squad. 

[Gloucester Saint]

6 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

A wild guess or ITK?

I really don’t think Rasmus has anything to worry himself about - yet. Nor has Russ…dire finances are almost certainly keeping him here. He’ll take us down and be given the task of re-building for the promotion push - he’ll not get a better job offer.

On here, in the media and his ego will hate that, once it spreads further into the stadiums, then it will be reported on. He’s already faced protests at Goztepe and it sounds like Valenciennes fans are gearing up. Saints fans are not the quickest on the uptake but I’d say he’s finally getting rumbled as the main source of SR’s ills. As far as Saints go, the Nathan Jones blooper cost circa £13m I heard and RM won’t be far off that. Yet every day he clings into him, the more fatal the damage to Rasmus. 

[tdmickey3]

20 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

How many first team squad players did we lose last time? I always think these lists of players leaving look unrealistically extensive, relegated clubs rarely sell the majority of their squad. 

Just all of the quality

[Miltonaggro]

I think that in Ramsdale, KWP, THB, Fernandes and Dibling we have some genuine quality and potential, half a good side, players for Saints fans to get excited about for the first time in a while.  Thus, it is particularly gutting that we are so inept in terms of the coaching staff and directors.  I am not so sure we bounce back up if we go down next May, Venkys could well be the template.

[hypochondriac]

Bazunu/McCarthy 

Sugawara/Bree Edwards Bednarek Taylor/Manning 

Smallbone Charles 

Armstrong Aribo Amo Ameyew/Fraser 

Archer

 

That's a decent championship team there. Add £100 million of sales of our assets and maybe a new striker and winger and we would be well set to go again. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Bazunu/McCarthy 

Sugawara/Bree Edwards Bednarek Taylor/Manning 

Smallbone Charles 

Armstrong Aribo Amo Ameyew/Fraser 

Archer

 

That's a decent championship team there. Add £100 million of sales of our assets and maybe a new striker and winger and we would be well set to go again. 

New keeper (and obviously new manager) and I’d agree.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

New keeper (and obviously new manager) and I’d agree.

I'd love a new keeper, not sure who would be available. Selling Ramsdale, Dibling, THB and Fernandes should net us over £100 million which in theory should let us pick up the best of the championship that isn't poached by a prem team. Sainz at Norwich would be a good pick up on the left, Maja at West Brom looks like a good performer up top. 

[Farmer Saint]

11 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Imagine the state of the fans forums by May if he’s still here somehow (he won’t be). Stadium definitely starting to ferment today with his petulant behaviour that us plebs don’t share his ‘Philosophy’. And that was after a very decent display marred by more Conference South goals caused by ‘playing out’.

I looked at the UI for the first time in months, smaller sample size but on here is quite civilised compared to the febrile atmosphere on there. Sorry 8x8 lads, you won’t enjoy hearing that. Clinging onto Martin is also putting Rasmus into the spotlight and his CV being seriously scrutinised.

If Valenciennes are still in mid-table in a part-time league, SR will need to deal with the fallout of protests there as well.

Sell up and buy a chain of hotels or something. 

1 of the three was due to playing out, and that was appalling from all 3 players involved - throw straight into danger, a poor lay-off which meant Downes was unbalanced and then a horrendous attempt at kicking the ball.

Let's criticise Martin for what he's actually done wrong rather than moving all blame onto him. 

[Farmer Saint]

This thread has made me look forward to next season actually.

[beatlesaint]

Whilst there are some players who will defintely go - Ramsdale, KWP, THB, Frenandes and Dibling - I'm not so sure many others will be wanted. If we persist with RM and finish bottom by a long way several players stock will drop, Downes being an obvious name that comes to mind. 

I would hope Lallana stays on as a player but think it more likely he will get a job on the coaching side at the club. We will be stuck with the crap for sure but Championship quality players will still be here, and I think Archer/Armstrong and hopefully Tall Paul will score plenty in the Championship, the defence should be adequate at the very least as well.....especially if we have a manager who understands how to defend instead of "being brave"

Edited 25 November, 2024 by beatlesaint

[SambaMaverick]

Personally I'm hoping Lallana packs it in at the end of the season. He's clearly still got a bit on the ball, but off the ball he's starting to look like a tribute act. Can't run whatsoever and just charges round like a kid being told off for sucking his thumb, kicking out. Walking red card at the moment.

[hypochondriac]

Hard to escape the feeling that they recruited in the summer with one eye on the following season in the championship, particularly with Edwards and Wood who never play. Whilst that messes up this season, it does give us plenty of decent championship options and as others have said, we are unlikely to see a mass exodus next season as many of the players won't be wanted by other teams that could afford them. The likes of Armstrong, Smallbone, Aribo, Bednarek, Archer and Downes if he stays are all proven championship performers and even someone like Bereton Diaz may see an upturn in a lower league.   

[malcolm waldron]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Bazunu/McCarthy 

Sugawara/Bree Edwards Bednarek Taylor/Manning 

Smallbone Charles 

Armstrong Aribo Amo Ameyew/Fraser 

Archer

 

That's a decent championship team there. Add £100 million of sales of our assets and maybe a new striker and winger and we would be well set to go again. 

Don't disagree with the sales figure being necessary but those GK, fullback and midfield positions look a weakness to me.   

[Whitey Grandad]

48 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

1 of the three was due to playing out, and that was appalling from all 3 players involved - throw straight into danger, a poor lay-off which meant Downes was unbalanced and then a horrendous attempt at kicking the ball.

Let's criticise Martin for what he's actually done wrong rather than moving all blame onto him. 

I include their second in the charges against Martin. A totally unmarked winger runs onto a lofted through ball. Martin cannot organise a defence.

[Oldandtired]

55 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

 

Let's criticise Martin for what he's actually done wrong

How long have you got? But first and foremost just being Martin and all that brings, the arrogance and ‘I’m not going to change anything’ even though we are mostly  playing the sort of crap football that every opposing manager dreams about playing against.

[hypochondriac]

16 minutes ago, malcolm waldron said:

Don't disagree with the sales figure being necessary but those GK, fullback and midfield positions look a weakness to me.   

Agree I'd like another keeper but not about fullbacks. That's almost certainly stronger there than last year with Taylor. Losing KWP weakens us but that was always going to be the case. Smallbone is clearly good enough, as is Aribo and Armstrong. An older more experienced Charles and Amo Ameyew should be able to contribute and you could also add Bereton Diaz to that too. Clearly we'd make four or five more signings but as a starting point that's a fairly decent team with not an awful lot of work needed to be competitive near the top.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

 

Let's criticise Martin for what he's actually done wrong rather than moving all blame onto him. 

Remind me, what has he actually done right? (this season)

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Remind me, what has he actually done right? (this season)

Not a lot, I agree. However, blaming him for absolutely everything, including the players making cock-ups unrelated to his management, takes away any objectivity in the posts criticising him.

My issue is that there is such a cult clamour for everything to be his fault that a lot of people fail to see the wood for the trees, and also makes the militant stance that everything that happens on the pitch is his fault seem extremely flimsy.

Edited 25 November, 2024 by Farmer Saint

[OldNick]

and about 5-8k of fans

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I include their second in the charges against Martin. A totally unmarked winger runs onto a lofted through ball. Martin cannot organise a defence.

You mean Mo Salah, probably the best winger in World football? And Alex McCarthy playing like someone on FIFA purposely making their keeper go walkabout.

This is what I talk about - it removes any credibility that the argument has. He needs to go without doubt, but not everything is his fault.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Oldandtired said:

How long have you got? But first and foremost just being Martin and all that brings, the arrogance and ‘I’m not going to change anything’ even though we are mostly  playing the sort of crap football that every opposing manager dreams about playing against.

But I don't think that happened yesterday, in fact considering that was Liverpool I thought we did OK, didn't you?

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, malcolm waldron said:

Don't disagree with the sales figure being necessary but those GK, fullback and midfield positions look a weakness to me.   

I think it'll be Downes and Charles - no PL team is going to want to buy him.

[OldNick]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

You mean Mo Salah, probably the best winger in World football? And Alex McCarthy playing like someone on FIFA purposely making their keeper go walkabout.

This is what I talk about - it removes any credibility that the argument has. He needs to go without doubt, but not everything is his fault.

He is not responsible for everything but he has it ingrained that we have to keep possession at all costs. The 'risk and reward' approach. To me the rewards are about as useful as money back coupons on Durex in a Nunnery

[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, OldNick said:

He is not responsible for everything but he has it ingrained that we have to keep possession at all costs. The 'risk and reward' approach. To me the rewards are about as useful as money back coupons on Durex in a Nunnery

Absolutely, his football leads to mistakes at times, but yesterday's mistake for the first was such a cluster fuck by the 3 players that I just can't blame him solely for it. These are supposed to be professional Premier League footballers. There is no excuse for what happened for the first goal.

However, even with that, we should have won as the other two had nothing to do with the football we play, it was just appalling mistakes that shouldn't happen.

[Oldandtired]

25 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not a lot, I agree. However, blaming him for absolutely everything, including the players making cock-ups unrelated to his management, takes away any objectivity in the posts criticising him.

My issue is that there is such a cult clamour for everything to be his fault that a lot of people fail to see the wood for the trees, and also makes the militant stance that everything that happens on the pitch is his fault seem extremely flimsy.

But surely underpinning everything is the ponderous unimaginative style of play that is Russball. The few times we break away from that we do look good but unfortunately those times seem to be few and far between.
I am convinced the players are genuinely fearful of breaking away from the system and upsetting the manager. I have a feeling that his arrogance and unwarranted self belief could make him a boss from hell if you cross him.

[Whitey Grandad]

30 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

You mean Mo Salah, probably the best winger in World football? And Alex McCarthy playing like someone on FIFA purposely making their keeper go walkabout.

This is what I talk about - it removes any credibility that the argument has. He needs to go without doubt, but not everything is his fault.

It wouldn’t have mattered who the winger was, unmarked by attack least ten yards and a clear run at goal and any forward would be licking their lips.

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Oldandtired said:

But surely underpinning everything is the ponderous unimaginative style of play that is Russball. The few times we break away from that we do look good but unfortunately those times seem to be few and far between.
I am convinced the players are genuinely fearful of breaking away from the system and upsetting the manager. I have a feeling that his arrogance and unwarranted self belief could make him a boss from hell if you cross him.

We are taking purely the mistakes yesterday, and goals 2 and 3 had nothing to do with ponderous football. Goal 1 was them trying to break too quickly, which was the opposite to ponderous football, but it was mostly because AMac is shit and threw into a dangerous area. 

All Managers are the boss from hell if you cross them - football is littered with players that have been sold out thrown out after altercations with Managers (see Beckham, David and Stam, Jaap with a certain SAF).

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

It wouldn’t have mattered who the winger was, unmarked by attack least ten yards and a clear run at goal and any forward would be licking their lips.

It absolutely does matter, especially if your keeper is on walkabout. 

You expect Salah to not get away from Championship level defenders?

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

It absolutely does matter, especially if your keeper is on walkabout. 

You expect Salah to not get away from Championship level defenders?

It had nothing to do with it being Salah. To pretend that it did is to think that the goal was down to a top quality forward whereas it was poor defending all round. Any forward would have leapt at that chance. Even any of ours.

Poor defending is entirely down to Martin. It’s been the same with him everywhere he’s been.

[Toussaint]

19 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

That’s the good news 

The slight variation in this scenario is that  he’s the rat that will sink the ship. With an honourable mention to Rasmus Rat. 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

It had nothing to do with it being Salah. To pretend that it did is to think that the goal was down to a top quality forward whereas it was poor defending all round. Any forward would have leapt at that chance. Even any of ours.

Poor defending is entirely down to Martin. It’s been the same with him everywhere he’s been.

But it was McCarthy who was the biggest fuck up and the reason we conceded there.

[Bob60]

46 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But it was McCarthy who was the biggest fuck up and the reason we conceded there.

Also the fact that in our system the fullbacks are pushed so high that any winger has the freedom to run into space unchallenged.

[Farmer Saint]

11 minutes ago, Bob60 said:

Also the fact that in our system the fullbacks are pushed so high that any winger has the freedom to run into space unchallenged.

But that's playing wingbacks and being exposed on transition. If we need to play 5 at the back because we think we have more chance as our defence is utter jank (as we did in the playoffs last year), then that is always likely (unless we play a fixed 5, but that gives us no chance going forward) - the fact is you need the CBs to shift across to that LB position to stop that happening. Either way it's unlikely you're going to stop a team like Liverpool getting a chance like that. The reason we conceded was due to McCarthy being in absolute no-mans land.

Edited 25 November, 2024 by Farmer Saint

[Bob60]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But that's playing wingbacks and being exposed on transition. If we need to play 5 at the back because we think we have more chance as our defence is utter jank (as we did in the playoffs last year), then that is always likely (unless we play a fixed 5, but that gives us no chance going forward) - the fact is you need the CBs to shift across to that LB position to stop that happening. Either way it's unlikely you're going to stop a team like Liverpool getting a chance like that. The reason we conceded was due to McCarthy being in absolute no-mans land.

No, the chance was because he had the freedom of the pitch, he scored easily because the keeper messed up. 

My point is that when you are conceding goals at the rate we are maybe you could try playing defenders as defenders. Teams do still score goals without having fullbacks playing as wingers.

[spyinthesky]

23 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Ramsdale       £20m?

Fernandes      £20m?

Dibling            £20m?

KWP               Free

Tall Paul           £5m

THB                  £25m

Downes if he has any sense

Anyone I’ve missed 

Sulemana
Bella Kotcha
Ross Stewart (retired)
 

 

 

Edited 25 November, 2024 by spyinthesky

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, Bob60 said:

No, the chance was because he had the freedom of the pitch, he scored easily because the keeper messed up. 

My point is that when you are conceding goals at the rate we are maybe you could try playing defenders as defenders. Teams do still score goals without having fullbacks playing as wingers.

Rarely in a back 5 TBF. Very few teams (and I can't think of any in the Prem) play a back 5 with fullbacks and not wingbacks.

[spyinthesky]

7 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Bazunu/McCarthy 

Sugawara/Bree Edwards Bednarek Taylor/Manning             Wood Stephens  Wellington?

Smallbone Charles                                                                   x 2 Purchases/Loans?

Armstrong Aribo Amo Ameyew/Fraser                                  Ediozie

Archer                                                                                       BBD plus buy in a Target Man?

 

That's a decent championship team there. Add £100 million of sales of our assets and maybe a new striker and winger and we would be well set to go again. 
 Still only good enough to make the Play Offs and then anything can happen. All depends on the quality of the new Manager