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56 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I take no pleasure in saying this and absolutely despise Liverpool ..

but I think the best result for us Is they absolutely annihilate us .. it’s for the greater good . We need them to destroy us so hard the idiot board finally realise what everyone can see .. 

if we Fluke a plucky draw or something they will probably Keep martin for another three months or something .. it’s simply not a good outcome .. so cmon Liverpool do us a favour and get him gone 

If the Bournemouth performance and result, then the Wolves fuck up won’t stir the board then neither will a bad result v Liverpool. 
 

We need a point, preferably a win. Far more important than whatever your view  of the manager. 

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7 hours ago, Andrew Watson said:

The only question is how many goals will Liverpool score on their 2 visits to St Marys and by the way I despise them as much as I despise Bompey. My guess is between 6 and 10,especially with a make shift defence.

 

Thing is, our defence should be made up consistently of our best defenders… KWP/Suga, Taylor, ABK, KWP/Bree. If Russ had got that combo working together earlier I reckon we’d have a good solid defence. As it is he still persists with his favourites, playing players out of position and switching them around, so no wonder it’s a shambles.

Whatever, L’Pool are still going to spank us 5 or 6 to nil.

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27 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

easy 2-0 win for us.

Slot's first defeat this season in the league and we wow everyone with our slick play and finishing.

 

We won the last time you predicted 2-0 (albeit only 1-0) so I'm here for this prediction.

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15 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

There’s so much wrong with this.

  1. I don’t want to paper over the cracks, I want a consistent improvement in results, starting as soon as possible

You’re dead right, there is so much wrong with this, starting with how the hell are we going to get that with Martin in charge?

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3 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

Why does everyone keep banging on about ABK? A) he's not that great and b) he doesn't want to play for us, move on.

 

2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

He is the CB with the most ability at the club

Is he training with the first team? 

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9 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

No Idea

I ask as I have a feeling that he wasn't, so probably isn't up to speed with our stellar tactics, and a million miles from match fitness. We'll doubtless have Wood starting against Liverpool, and ABK sat at home in front of the fire. 

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1 hour ago, egg said:

I ask as I have a feeling that he wasn't, so probably isn't up to speed with our stellar tactics, and a million miles from match fitness. We'll doubtless have Wood starting against Liverpool, and ABK sat at home in front of the fire. 

Wood?! Hope to be proven wrong, but if he gets a start in the premier league this season we deserve relegation (alongside multiple other reasons)!

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17 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I’m going to be controversial here and say that the best possible result is for Southampton to win, because I support Southampton.

My first choice is always a Saints win.

I can’t decide what my second choice is: a plucky draw which otherwise would be a good result against the top team, but given the shit we’re in, is fairly useless point wise and buys RM more time, or a jolly good rogering 10-0 to force the muppets in charge to take action now.

Definitely if we lose I want it to be a thrashing. Rip the plaster off. 

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2 hours ago, disconnect said:

Wood?! Hope to be proven wrong, but if he gets a start in the premier league this season we deserve relegation (alongside multiple other reasons)!

Who else in a back 3 with Bednarek out? Taylor can play there,  but he can't even get in the team in his preferred position. 

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3 hours ago, egg said:

I ask as I have a feeling that he wasn't, so probably isn't up to speed with our stellar tactics, and a million miles from match fitness. We'll doubtless have Wood starting against Liverpool, and ABK sat at home in front of the fire. 

Not sure that's a bad thing!

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33 minutes ago, egg said:

Who else in a back 3 with Bednarek out? Taylor can play there,  but he can't even get in the team in his preferred position. 

Taylor for me. The thought of Wood coming up against Salah, Diaz etc. Terrifying. 

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2 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Taylor for me. The thought of Wood coming up against Salah, Diaz etc. Terrifying. 

Taylor seems to have been frozen out which seems odd. I agree though, he's a better option. Bree at RCB is less scary than Wood, and that says a lot. 

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47 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

If that did happen would you claim to be Cassandra? 

as the Spartans replied to King Phillip of Macedonia 

If..................

Believe charlie believe it makes the next few days more fun and in keeping with my quote i'd be the oracle of delphi

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A 2-0 win for us.

A forward thinking Liverpool gets undone by a auto passing move that goes from deep to AA who tucks it in.

We miss a second chance to do the same, leading to a nervy game. But THB gets a late set pieces header to seal the points.

Worst case

I read that Liverpool eased off once the win is secured under this manager. So, a plucky defeat is possible. But even with this scenario, we sneak a draw with that late THB header.

Whatever the scenario, Lallana is fined a week's wages. Not for exchanging shirts with Liverpool. But on insisting THB then tries it on, to see how it feels.

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My son is playing at 12 KO, so even if he plays just 1st half then we try to get from Totton through Southampton's world class traffic congestion the game could be 5-0 when we get in ground.

No trains again and bus last time took 1 hour to get from station to Cumberland place. So not looking forward to this match on all fronts.

It won't be as good as the 4-4. Just seen video of tall Paul goals on loan, why can't we get the ball to him!

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15 minutes ago, Galway saint said:

Is there any chance of Ross being back for this one ? 

Feels like we have missed him since his injury at arsenal.

 

Maybe I'm not thinking straight, or the sarcasm has gone over my head, but how can we miss someone who's had next to zero impact in the 14 months he's been here...?

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I think you know exactly where I was going with this you just decided to evade the debate by picking apart the made up scenarios ..

let’s make it clearer.  You want us to beat Liverpool right if you get your wish this will absolutely hundred buy Martin more time in charge maybe.not the exaggerated 3 months I said earlier but would probably lock him in for the whole of December at least .. he will now have two wins out of his last 3 games including a huge scalp in Liverpool .wankersion and his cronies will be feeling bullish and that his patience in him is starting to pay off    this in turn is exactly what I mean by papering over cracks ..if you don’t think Martin getting a extended run is papering over the cracks then maybe you also think he has a shot of turning it around ?

me on the other hand  Sure I’d take a Liverpool beat down if that means getting to the root cause of our problems .. there Is a bigger picture here.. a Martin win just buys him more time and Stops the board  doing what they need to do   Also gotta factor in the more cut off and behind we get it’s gonna be getting harder and harder with every loss we rack up to attract a decent replacement .. it’s kinda key to any hope we have of surviving that the board move before it’s totally over 

we both wish well for saints but sometimes you have to hit bottom to heel I just cannot agree that anything delaying martins  sacking is good for our season anymore 

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30 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I think you know exactly where I was going with this you just decided to evade the debate by picking apart the made up scenarios ..

let’s make it clearer.  You want us to beat Liverpool right if you get your wish this will absolutely hundred buy Martin more time in charge maybe.not the exaggerated 3 months I said earlier but would probably lock him in for the whole of December at least .. he will now have two wins out of his last 3 games including a huge scalp in Liverpool .wankersion and his cronies will be feeling bullish and that his patience in him is starting to pay off    this in turn is exactly what I mean by papering over cracks ..if you don’t think Martin getting a extended run is papering over the cracks then maybe you also think he has a shot of turning it around ?

me on the other hand  Sure I’d take a Liverpool beat down if that means getting to the root cause of our problems .. there Is a bigger picture here.. a Martin win just buys him more time and Stops the board  doing what they need to do   Also gotta factor in the more cut off and behind we get it’s gonna be getting harder and harder with every loss we rack up to attract a decent replacement .. it’s kinda key to any hope we have of surviving that the board move before it’s totally over 

we both wish well for saints but sometimes you have to hit bottom to heel I just cannot agree that anything delaying martins  sacking is good for our season anymore 

Calling @gio1saints: needed to decipher the above. 😉

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6 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I think you know exactly where I was going with this you just decided to evade the debate by picking apart the made up scenarios ..

let’s make it clearer.  You want us to beat Liverpool right if you get your wish this will absolutely hundred buy Martin more time in charge maybe.not the exaggerated 3 months I said earlier but would probably lock him in for the whole of December at least .. he will now have two wins out of his last 3 games including a huge scalp in Liverpool .wankersion and his cronies will be feeling bullish and that his patience in him is starting to pay off    this in turn is exactly what I mean by papering over cracks ..if you don’t think Martin getting a extended run is papering over the cracks then maybe you also think he has a shot of turning it around ?

me on the other hand  Sure I’d take a Liverpool beat down if that means getting to the root cause of our problems .. there Is a bigger picture here.. a Martin win just buys him more time and Stops the board  doing what they need to do   Also gotta factor in the more cut off and behind we get it’s gonna be getting harder and harder with every loss we rack up to attract a decent replacement .. it’s kinda key to any hope we have of surviving that the board move before it’s totally over 

we both wish well for saints but sometimes you have to hit bottom to heel I just cannot agree that anything delaying martins  sacking is good for our season anymore 

You're correct - if we win he will 100% keep his job all through December, and at that point the January window opens so he's staying for the whole season.

Even if we lose they are not sacking him. Personally I am resigned to it now.

Just to say that this is the test for the "chopping and changing doesn't work" and "he just needs time" boys who, if it was down go them, no manager would ever get sacked. Because every manager becomes Lawrie Mac or Alex Ferguson just by staying in post for a long time.

Well this season I think they are getting that wish so we can all reap the glorious benefits. Chopping and changing never ever works but leaving managers in post always works. I look forward to the glory.

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On 19/11/2024 at 22:08, Lighthouse said:

There’s so much wrong with this.

  1. I don’t want to paper over the cracks, I want a consistent improvement in results, starting as soon as possible.
  2. A win against Liverpool isn’t going to buy him ‘a few months’. The board is nowhere near that short sighted and reactionary and nor should they be.
  3. When did I say I wanted to lose the next five games? Where has that criteria sprung out from?
  4. Would you honestly prefer another 9-0, to get laughed at by other fans again, to have the confidence of the squad destroyed and for what? So that we can make a knee jerk sacking in the hope that David Moyes will ride in on a white horse and save the day. I’ll just say I disagree and leave it there.

I’m not so convinced he is staying at all costs though .. surely after 9 losses out of eleven games he must be at least on the cusp of going .. it’s hard To even make a argument in favour of him any more, the board won’t be completely blind to that or the staggeringly one sided polls  the support is gonna soon be at jones levels if it isn’t already .

id actually say there is a pretty fair chance they could be considering lallana, I mean they don’t seem to have to have any urgency or worry about no body wanting the job if Martin keeps racking up losses .But if they really rate Adam and are just gonna throw him a shot like they did with sellers it coincides with the lack of urgency that they have  shown so far 

The lallana move always had more to it then just signing him as a player,he could easily be in the ear of the board all the time they would know if he wants he or not. if they are grooming him his as a successor there’s not so much need to panic with Martin.. that’s about the theory I can make with any sense how Martin is still here actually :)

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1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

You're correct - if we win he will 100% keep his job all through December, and at that point the January window opens so he's staying for the whole season.

Even if we lose they are not sacking him. Personally I am resigned to it now.

Just to say that this is the test for the "chopping and changing doesn't work" and "he just needs time" boys who, if it was down go them, no manager would ever get sacked. Because every manager becomes Lawrie Mac or Alex Ferguson just by staying in post for a long time.

Well this season I think they are getting that wish so we can all reap the glorious benefits. Chopping and changing never ever works but leaving managers in post always works. I look forward to the glory.

’m not so convinced he is staying at all costs though .. surely after 9 losses out of eleven games he must be at least on the cusp of going .. it’s hard To even make a argument in favour of him any more, the board won’t be completely blind to that or the staggeringly one sided polls  the support is gonna soon be at jones levels if it isn’t already .

id actually say there is a pretty fair chance they could be considering lallana, I mean they don’t seem to have to have any urgency or worry about no body wanting the job if Martin keeps racking up losses .But if they really rate Adam and are just gonna throw him a shot like they did with sellers it coincides with the lack of urgency that they have  shown so far 

The lallana move always had more to it then just signing him as a player,he could easily be in the ear of the board all the time they would know if he wants he or not. if they are grooming him his as a successor there’s not so much need to panic with Martin.. that’s about the only theory I can make with any sense how Martin is still here actually :)

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18 hours ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Are you sure it's not because the manager has us playing passive, shite, boring, predictable football and the team has 4 points from a possible 33? 

It is that. Of course everybody feels bad - most of the posters are incredibly passionate about Saints. We all want to win not lose.
But no need to start off that explanation with a bunch of abuse because another supporter see things differently and especially because they have a different view in how long the change required ( to enable us not just to be a survival specialist but actually, for once, be competitive at the top) will realistically take. 

3 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

’m not so convinced he is staying at all costs though .. surely after 9 losses out of eleven games he must be at least on the cusp of going .. it’s hard To even make a argument in favour of him any more, the board won’t be completely blind to that or the staggeringly one sided polls  the support is gonna soon be at jones levels if it isn’t already .

id actually say there is a pretty fair chance they could be considering lallana, I mean they don’t seem to have to have any urgency or worry about no body wanting the job if Martin keeps racking up losses .But if they really rate Adam and are just gonna throw him a shot like they did with sellers it coincides with the lack of urgency that they have  shown so far 

The lallana move always had more to it then just signing him as a player,he could easily be in the ear of the board all the time they would know if he wants he or not. if they are grooming him his as a successor there’s not so much need to panic with Martin.. that’s about the only theory I can make with any sense how Martin is still here actually :)

Very fair points cannot disagree with that.
 

Picking up on the Lallana part - and hypothetically how it might work : 

 

IF (and I think my views on this are well known!😁) RM is relieved and AL is asked to step in as caretaker it would /should probably / almost certainly be with an old hand helping him - or vice versa ( him as right hand man to an older gaffer - funnily enough Roma just doing exactly this …with Ranieri) as this is a relegation battle and hardly anyone decent AND experienced is gonna want to buy a almost guaranteed ticket to the Championship - and heap the iginomy of relegation to their resume. Unless there’s a big wad involved and they are past all that ego stuff of younger managers. 

Names like RVN are just nonsense imo. And I think Moyes would not take it either even though he’s about the best available out there. Or Southgate eeek! 

A short term deal basically. Not saying Redknapp age but you know the type I mean. Possibly battlescarred enough to play whatever football is required but no expectation of staying up. This foretells Probably an ugly end to the season with no style of play apparent just changing from match to match on a pragmatic basis according to the opposition. Many here argue we will have an even uglier end to season if we don’t change manager. Thats not my view btw. 😂. Nothing wrong with that pragmatic approach either.Its just not been the pathway of last 16 months There are plenty ways to play football.

If and when we go down then the Board can assess whether to make the Lallana appointment permanent - or not. And whether to keep old gaffer- or not. 
 

But if you asked me to pick a Manager who knows how to get out the Championship and knows our players inside out and already has their commitment and buy in despite what’s happening at present in EPL - I’d say probably the best ( and most cost effective - that IS important to the biz front forget ) is to keep RM. If he goes second best is Moyes with AL on a short term til end season deal and then review. 

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Martin: "[A result] can change everything, give the players big belief. I don't think they're lacking in belief but it gives them confidence. We'll keep on course, trust the work and each other, at some point it'll come."

Trust the process.

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10 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Martin: "[A result] can change everything, give the players big belief. I don't think they're lacking in belief but it gives them confidence. We'll keep on course, trust the work and each other, at some point it'll come."

Trust the process.

2 weeks off and he`s learned nothing so the delusion continues and with it defeat after defeat.....  How incredibly naïve and stupid

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2 hours ago, gio1saints said:

to enable us not just to be a survival specialist but actually, for once, be competitive at the top

How do you think we shall ever be competitive in the EPL by playing unadulterated Russball, which results in few goals (for us), with players who are nowhere near as good as those in up to 19 other teams who play less extreme PB football complemented by variations of playing style that lead to goals (for them) being scored?  We shall always be behind, doing our walking-pace version of chasing every game, and no more competitive as we are now.  I cannot fathom how you believe we can do it.

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