Saints 2-3 Liverpool - Match Thread

[CB Fry]

I've only seen the goals.

Is it me or is the first one yet another example of pissing around with it leading to conceded goals.

Because the Martinette disciples on here swear blind this kind of goal never happens under Martin's genius management.....

I look forward to hearing from the disciples the reasons why what I've just watched didn’t happen after all.

 

[Miltonaggro]

13 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Well if you like big screen musicals it was fantastic.

A lot of the story is about a con-artist who tricks lots of people that he has magical ways of doing things, but he is exposed as a fraud. Also a lot of the cast are a bunch of short-arses.

It’s also the same plot every time you pay to watch it! 😀

[badgerx16]

34 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

Mohamed Salah scored twice to win a chaotic game where Southampton held the lead only for errors to cost them

This is what the Guardian online thinks. Can't argue with that!

"...only for errors to cost them" : Every fucking game.

[Lighthouse]

15 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

He never used to do that though. In the past he would have kicked it long and probably out of play, but at least that doesn't put us under immediate pressure.

Rolling it short to a player inside our own box, when there are at least 4 opposition attackers bearing down on the defence is entirely a Russball thing.

Let’s have a look at what McCarthy ‘used to do’ in the PL before Russ.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Everyone, from ex pros to journos  to supporters on here, predicted we’d concede a goal like that today. Yet some chumps think it’s not Martin’s fault 😂😂. 
 

That, and Tall Paul playing well against the best centre half in the league, sums Lego head up completely. 

 

Edited 24 November, 2024 by Lord Duckhunter

[CB Fry]

11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Let’s have a look at what McCarthy ‘used to do’ in the PL before Russ.

 

Now do the Premier League record of the team under this fucking shit manager.

Edited 24 November, 2024 by CB Fry

[Farmer Saint]

18 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Don't think I said it did.

Then what is your point? We were discussing why the players throw it out in bad areas.

[Fabrice29]

8 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I've only seen the goals.

Is it me or is the first one yet another example of pissing around with it leading to conceded goals.

Because the Martinette disciples on here swear blind this kind of goal never happens under Martin's genius management.....

I look forward to hearing from the disciples the reasons why what I've just watched didn’t happen after all.

 

The first one is an example of poor decision making and silly mistakes and I hate to break it to you but that has never and will never be specific to Martin or any particular tactic.

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

Let’s have a look at what McCarthy ‘used to do’ in the PL before Russ.

 

Not sure what your point is. I'm not trying to claim he's actually a decent keeper - I know full well how poor he is. You only need to look at the second goal today to realise how terrible he is.

But...

The pass he made to Fernandes before the first goal is 100% the result of the way he is being coached to play, therefore the tactics are just as much at fault as he is.

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

The first one is an example of poor decision making and silly mistakes and I hate to break it to you but that has never and will never be specific to Martin or any particular tactic.

You actually believe that!

[Convict Colony]

its the year 2046, southampton manager russell martin speaks to the media and confirms he is  "today is on him, he is disappointed in gifting the goals the way they did, he is proud of the team, how brave they were but they are still fighting as a team and we will trust the process".

[CB Fry]

5 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

The first one is an example of poor decision making and silly mistakes and I hate to break it to you but that has never and will never be specific to Martin or any particular tactic.

Thanks PR department.

Bottom of the league because of, like, bad luck like all the other clubs and that.

Take a day off.

[lambtiss]

1 hour ago, swingworkstheoracle said:

Dibling has so much quality

but his fitness levels are disgraceful

He is 18 playing his first season in professionals adult football in the most competitive league in the world against some of the fittest players in world football at their physical peak, having only previously played academy and reserve football. Apart from that I totally see your point.

[bpsaint]

14 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Let’s have a look at what McCarthy ‘used to do’ in the PL before Russ.

 

Absolutely fucking mind blown that we extended this guys contract based on a few games at the end of last season.

[Farmer Saint]

18 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Don't think I said it did.

Then what is your point? We were discussing why the players throw it out in bad areas.

[Miltonaggro]

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Thanks PR department.

Bottom of the league because of, like, bad luck like all the other clubs and that.

Take a day off.

There was a swivel eyed chump today at half two selling half and half scarves under the Ted Bates statue. He’ll be along in a minute to tell us the players are shit and that Slot and Virgil said that Russ is a dreamboat. Fluffers gonna fluff! 

[lambtiss]

8 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

The first one is an example of poor decision making and silly mistakes and I hate to break it to you but that has never and will never be specific to Martin or any particular tactic.

Are you deliberately missing the point or just hard of understanding? The issue is not the occasional lapse but the constant repetition of mistakes and the complete failure to learn to a greater degree that any other team in the premier league. Together with the rewarding and reinforcement of this  behaviour by a possession obsessed manager who values his ego over results.

[Gloucester Saint]

13 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

The first one is an example of poor decision making and silly mistakes and I hate to break it to you but that has never and will never be specific to Martin or any particular tactic.

https://www.8x8.com/events/southamptonfc-2024?locale=uk

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, lambtiss said:

Are you deliberately missing the point or just hard of understanding? The issue is not the occasional lapse but the constant repetition of mistakes and the complete failure to learn to a greater degree that any other team in the premier league. Together with the rewarding and reinforcement of this  behaviour by a possession obsessed manager who values his ego over results.

Because he works for these, or is commissioned by them https://www.8x8.com/events/southamptonfc-2024?locale=uk

Subtle as a fart in Winchester Cathedral as well.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

31 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Then what is your point? We were discussing why the players throw it out in bad areas.

You said that they aren't toddlers and don't need to be told what to do. I merely observed that Martin likes to hug and tell them that he loves them. Isn't that what you do to toddlers?

Edited 24 November, 2024 by Lee On Solent Saint
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[trousers]

17 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

The first one is an example of poor decision making and silly mistakes and I hate to break it to you but that has never and will never be specific to Martin or any particular tactic.

 

[LiberalCommunist]

 Feels more painful than the obligatory two nil defeat. We were in with a chance. And we blew it. That gift. FML

[davefizzy14]

Really disappointing to lose that today after being 2-1 up. Mistakes once again have cost us. Highlight of the game for me was the link up between Dibling, Armstrong and Fernandes for Fernandes goal, was absolutely quality. Onuachu was superb today and hopefully he gets a run of starts now. He's earned that. 

[Dark Munster]

5 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Tall Paul actually looks like a good player - who knew?!?

Most of us, but certainly not that idiot Martin.

[Farmer Saint]

33 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

You said that they aren't toddlers and don't need to be told what to do. I merely observed that Martin likes to hug and tell them that he loves them. Isn't that what you do to toddlers?

You may do stuff to toddlers, I don't.

Edited 24 November, 2024 by Farmer Saint

[Mr Saints]

Another depressing afternoon. At 2-1 I had zero belief we’d even hold out for a draw but the 2 gifts we coughed up for them were pathetic even by our standards. Sugarawa looks like another Sport Republic masterclass. Shite.

[saintant]

50 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

The first one is an example of poor decision making and silly mistakes and I hate to break it to you but that has never and will never be specific to Martin or any particular tactic.

We are clearly trained to play this way and as most can see and, demonstrated again today, it is ridiculous. As an example England mix up going long from Pickford with playing it out from the back when space and time permit. By playing long as well as short the opposition don't know what you are going to do which will often create the space needed to play out from the back.  By playing Russball the opposition know exactly what to expect and they set the traps to pin us in accordingly with the rewards we see time and time again while our players are constantly under pressure.  It's not rocket science.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

You may do stuff to toddlers, I don't.

You are a fuckin twat. Really great reply. Absolute cunt.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

18 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

Most of us, but certainly not that idiot Martin.

And Sulemana is good too and great fun to watch. Bella Kotcha plays for Germany and he is good too. You might just have to show some man management skills.

Oh and Carlie Alcaraz was good too and seemed to like the club before he was moved on. Couldn't pass backwards I guess.

Edited 24 November, 2024 by Sergei Gotsmanov

[trousers]

14 minutes ago, Mr Saints said:

At 2-1 I had zero belief we’d even hold out for a draw

My wife (who dislikes football.... yep, she's the smart one in this relationship!) remarked at that point that I must be happy with how the game is going... I stated that there's no point being pleased about taking the lead because we would still go on to lose... I think she was impressed with my ability to predict the future with such clarity and utter certainty!

Edited 24 November, 2024 by trousers

[Saint Marky]

19 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

You may do stuff to toddlers, I don't.

More of a sheep person?

[Weston Super Saint]

2 minutes ago, Saint Marky said:

More of a sheep person?

Cameron's pig.

[LeBizzier69]

Good effort lads. Stupid individual errors again. 2-1 up with 30 mins to go was only ever going to end this way. 
All in favour of people going to games and voicing opinions….you pay to go after all. Doesn’t stop me thinking all the booing is ridiculous, and frothing hatred towards the manager is the stuff of bell ends.

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

3 minutes ago, trousers said:

My wife (who dislikes football.... yep, she's the smart one in this relationship!) remarked at that point that I must be happy with how the game is going... I stated that there's no point being pleased about taking the lead because we would still go on to lose... I think she was impressed with my ability to predict the future with such clarity and utter certainty!

We are either the same person or I'm married to your wife.

There's a possibility that we're different people, with different wives, and have just had a similar conversation but that seems unlikely.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

Their first was a complete nonsense. You'd think at some point the instinct of one of the players would kick in and they'd ignore what RM preaches and just boot the ball upfield. The way the players have been told to play lost us the game today just as it did at Newcastle, Brentford, Wolves...

And unless ABK has lost a leg, there's no way he is worse than Stephens.

[Oldandtired]

6 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

 

And unless ABK has lost a leg, there's no way he is worse than Stephens.

I think you mean even if he has lost a leg...

[saintant]

5 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Their first was a complete nonsense. You'd think at some point the instinct of one of the players would kick in and they'd ignore what RM preaches and just boot the ball upfield. The way the players have been told to play lost us the game today just as it did at Newcastle, Brentford, Wolves...

And unless ABK has lost a leg, there's no way he is worse than Stephens.

When players are constantly drilled not to kick long the first instinct is to look for a shorter pass - unfortunately, by the time a player has had that instinctive thought the damage is often already done. This is something RM is ingraining into the players and the only way to stop it is to replace him. Until such time as we do these stupid goals will continue week after week. Every pundit and commentator in the land can see it and so can my dog who is almost blind.

[Bakovnetski]

2 hours ago, swingworkstheoracle said:

Dibling has so much quality

but his fitness levels are disgraceful

He wasn't the first sub today. Improving all the time. 

[Dirkdiggler]

 

[Whitey Grandad]

48 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

You may do stuff to toddlers, I don't.

Not even your own, I presume.

[Saint Marky]

43 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

You are a fuckin twat. Really great reply. Absolute cunt.

I have it on good authority ( direct from some Brighton season ticket holding farm hands) that your analysis is 100% accurate, although you have missed out narcissistic, lying, keyboard warrior.

[Midfield_General]

Shall we talk about how outstanding Paul Onuachu was up until his injury? Some fantastic close control, holding the ball up and playing out of tight spaces, and generally bringing a freshness and unpredictability to our play, making things happen in a way that was the complete antithesis to the usual hyper-predictable snail football. 

[Badger]

6 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Shall we talk about how outstanding Paul Onuachu was up until his injury? Some fantastic close control, holding the ball up and playing out of tight spaces, and generally bringing a freshness and unpredictability to our play, making things happen in a way that was the complete antithesis to the usual hyper-predictable snail football. 

... and where he's been for the last 18 months under RM ?

[Dragon_man]

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

its the year 2046, southampton manager russell martin speaks to the media and confirms he is  "today is on him, he is disappointed in gifting the goals the way they did, he is proud of the team, how brave they were but they are still fighting as a team and we will trust the process".

And confidence remains that they will make the playoffs and get back into the National League.

[Midfield_General]

9 minutes ago, Badger said:

... and where he's been for the last 18 months under RM ?

Precisely. 

Not only is he a completely useless tactician, but he’s a fucking shit judge of a player too. 

Edited 24 November, 2024 by Midfield_General

[Challenger]

53 minutes ago, trousers said:

My wife (who dislikes football.... yep, she's the smart one in this relationship!) remarked at that point that I must be happy with how the game is going... I stated that there's no point being pleased about taking the lead because we would still go on to lose... I think she was impressed with my ability to predict the future with such clarity and utter certainty!

You don't need to be a soothsayer to predict that any RM coached team is as brittle as fuck and liable to fold at a drop of a hat, or should I say backpass.

[Turkish]

33 minutes ago, Dirkdiggler said:

 

Or a genius might say 

[scumbag]

There was a moment around the 10 minute mark when the players went rogue and abandoned russball, Paul O was running the show and moving the ball forward with pace. The folks around me couldn't quite believe what they were seeing...and we actually stood up applauded what was once considered 'normal' football. 

It was like the scene in The Shawshank Redemption when they were fixing the roof and felt like 'free men'.  But alas, it was just as fleeting.

Edited 25 November, 2024 by scumbag

[Turkish]

40 minutes ago, scumbag said:

There was a moment around the 10 minute mark when the players went rogue and abandoned russball, Paul O was running the show and moving the ball forward with pace. The folks around me couldn't quite believe what they were seeing...and we actually stood up applauded what was once considered 'normal' football. 

It was like the scene is The Shawshank Redemption when they were fixing the roof and felt like 'free men'.  But alas, it was just as fleeting.

Before they knew it they were back in the hole for accusing Martin of being obtuse for dismissing them when they said what they did might work. 

Edited 24 November, 2024 by Turkish

[Lighthouse]

2 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Not sure what your point is. I'm not trying to claim he's actually a decent keeper - I know full well how poor he is. You only need to look at the second goal today to realise how terrible he is.

But...

The pass he made to Fernandes before the first goal is 100% the result of the way he is being coached to play, therefore the tactics are just as much at fault as he is.

That basically is my point. When people were debating Bazunu vs McC last season the pro McC argument could basically be summed up as, "I don’t care about distribution, I want a keeper to do their job by saving shots FFS!" Well today (and Newcastle) are good examples of the distribution that apparently nobody cares about, except now they do care and apparently it’s the managers fault.

I don’t care how the manager wants him to play, there’s no manager on earth who would want McC to play the ball out to Fernandes, right there at that moment. I used to play in goal for a 5-a-side team and even I’d have known not to make that pass.

Mistakes from McCarthy, Downes and Sugawara have cost us a result today in a game where we played well. Even if you insist that first goal was totally, 100% Russ’ fault and the keeper played exactly how he wanted, we were 2-1 up after 65 minutes against the best team in the country. So how does that work, the team should have just been 2-0 up against Liverpool by default, but Russ ruined it?