Did Life Use to be Better? (Split)

[Lighthouse]

I don’t think most of the cultural stuff was better, people just have rose tinted glasses and tend to have a positive bias towards the things they remember.

• Music - everyone thinks the stuff their generation listened to as teenagers was the greatest era and that what came after it is ‘just terrible noise’. Nothing changes in that regard, people just look back fondly on what they remember. People who went to school in the early two thousands for example will talk about how awesome Green Day and Linkin’ Park were but tend not to mention Eamon and Frankie singing F.U.R.B.
• Football - Again, people are selection. If you mention the 1998/99 season to a Saints fan, they will probably go all misty eyed at the thought of Pahars’ double against Everton or Saints fans taking over Wimbledon. 90% of the season we spent getting spanked at home by teams like Ipswich and Coventry, people tend to forget.
• Censorship/being offended - if you think ‘everyone is offended these days’ is something new, I suggest you watch an interview with John Clease, Michael Palin and two very pious, religious types upon the release of Life of Brian. These days God and Jesus are recurring characters on loads of comedy shows but Python had to fight tooth and nail just to get LoB into cinemas.

I don’t think life is generally more boring either. We used to have four TV channels, now there’s a near infinite selection of online and streamed content. Then there’s the big advancements in worldwide travel. Around the turn of the century, EasyJet and Ryanair changed the game in Europe. It went from being a privilege to go to Mallorca or Tenerife to suddenly every man and his dog being able to go to any city in Europe, cheaper than most train tickets. A weekend away in Scarborough is now a city break to Riga, Belgrade or Budapest.

[Lord Duckhunter]

40 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

 

• Music - everyone thinks the stuff their generation listened to as teenagers was the greatest era and that what came after it is ‘just terrible noise’. Nothing changes in that regard, people just look back fondly on what they remember. People who went to school in the early two thousands for example will talk about how awesome Green Day and Linkin’ Park were but tend not to mention Eamon and Frankie singing F.U.R.B.
• Football - Again, people are selection. If you mention the 1998/99 season to a Saints fan, they will probably go all misty eyed at the thought of Pahars’ double against Everton or Saints fans taking over Wimbledon. 90% of the season we spent getting spanked at home by teams like Ipswich and Coventry, people tend to forget.
• Censorship/being offended - if you think ‘everyone is offended these days’ is something new, I suggest you watch an interview with John Clease, Michael Palin and two very pious, religious types upon the release of Life of Brian. These days God and Jesus are recurring characters on loads of comedy shows but Python had to fight tooth and nail just to get LoB into cinemas.

 

There’s no debate about music, the period from Rubber Soul to The Last Waltz will never be bettered. 
 

They’ll never be a better time to watch Saints than 76-86, no bother. 
 

I must of missed all those piss takes of Mohamed on recently. Thanks to George Harrison life of Brian got made, there’s fucking zero chance of Life of Mo ever seeing the light of day let alone Taylor Swift financing it.

[whelk]

7 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Utter twaddle. As ever you base your assumption on your own blinkered version of “life” as it applies to other people.

Do you think people in Gaza, Ukraine, many parts of Africa, Valencia, people here who rely on food banks, people here waiting years for necessary operations, people here waiting for mental health appointments,Americans who value democracy and decency etc etc etc think we are living in the best times ever. Muslims and Jews around the world afraid for their safely every day all around the world. Best times? 
Everything is relative and whilst “times” have been worse, to claim they are “the best they have ever been in human history” shows a level of naivety that underlies your entire posting history on here.

Uniquely terrible? It depends where you live and upon your own circumstances, but if you bother to pay attention to world news on a daily basis it is very obvious to all that we are certainly not living in the best times ever. 

He didn’t say everyone is living in utopia. Again you show you are unable to debate coherently. Muslims and Jews lol.

[whelk]

Everyone thinks the 80s were bleak but I had a ball. Not Hypos point but there you go

[Lighthouse]

14 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

There’s no debate about music, the period from Rubber Soul to The Last Waltz will never be bettered. 
 

They’ll never be a better time to watch Saints than 76-86, no bother. 
 

I must of missed all those piss takes of Mohamed on recently. Thanks to George Harrison life of Brian got made, there’s fucking zero chance of Life of Mo ever seeing the light of day let alone Taylor Swift financing it.

None of that is era specific. You like the music from when you were younger and the football from when Saints are better. If you said that to a 19 year old Brighton fan today, he’d reply that your music was "skibidi innit bruv," and that football is the best it’s ever been.

Taking the p*ss out of Mohammed is hardly a modern faux pas either, try doing that in the 1970’s, you’d get the same response.

[Gloucester Saint]

35 minutes ago, whelk said:

Everyone thinks the 80s were bleak but I had a ball. Not Hypos point but there you go

I was only a nipper so didn’t know better or worse, that’s what it was. Depends where in the country you were with that decade. Southampton - good place to be, SE and London, very good. Midlands - depends where, not in the manufacturing areas. North - hmmm, not in steel, coal or other industries. 

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

There’s no debate about music, the period from Rubber Soul to The Last Waltz will never be bettered. 
 

They’ll never be a better time to watch Saints than 76-86, no bother. 
 

I must of missed all those piss takes of Mohamed on recently. Thanks to George Harrison life of Brian got made, there’s fucking zero chance of Life of Mo ever seeing the light of day let alone Taylor Swift financing it.

As a mid-80s baby, I like the music from your era and the football from 2011 to 2017.

Go figure.

[Sheaf Saint]

Did life used to be better? It's a difficult one to quantify for so many reasons that a lot of posters have already touched on. Certainly life used to be simpler, but whether or not that made it better is down to the individual.

Some are pointing to a reduction in the number of people below the poverty line to argue life is better now, but I think that is an over-simplification. Firstly, the definition of poverty has changed over time and the 'poverty line' is just an arbitrary number. And secondly, wealth does not equal happiness - or at least it shouldn't. It's perfectly possible to be poor but still happy, but these days we are bombarded with insidious advertising that is carefully designed to manipulate people into believing that their lives will be incomplete without the product they are selling. 

Some have also touched on the longer life expectancy that we have now, and it's true that modern medical advancements mean people are living longer, and lots of conditions that would have been fatal in the past are curable now. But the massive rise in rates of obesity and other diet-related diseases, which correlates very closely to the proliferation of ultra-processed food in western diets since the 1970s, would suggest that although we might be living longer, we aren't necessarily healthier than we used to be. On top of that, we now live in an age of information overload which has led to a massive rise in levels of stress and other mental health related problems. We've also decimated our natural world, which has reduced people's opportunities to benefit from the proven mental and physical health boost of getting out into nature.

It used to be perfectly feasible for a young couple on a single, average salary to get a mortgage, but that's impossible now. Overwhelmingly, parents both need to work full time these days to live a comfortable life, which means running a household falls on both parents outside of work time and kids aren't getting as much day to day interaction with their mothers at a young age as they used to. On top of that, families tend to be much more disparate now as people are often forced to relocate to find work. The result of all this is kids growing up with working parents and no other family nearby, so parents are forced to rely on expensive childcare and their kids don't get the social interaction with a wider family group that is important for their development. This is not a positive advancement in society IMO.

Overall, I wouldn't say I'm happier now than I was in, say, the 1990s. I wasn't earning a lot of money back then, but I was secure and didn't have any worries, and I had a lot of fun. I'm now fast approaching 50, with a fairly stressful job and a family to consider, which together takes up about 95% of my energy and doesn't leave a lot of space for leisure - certainly not the things I used to take for granted in my 20s anyway. I guess that's just part of getting old and isn't really an indicator of how good life in general is now compared to then, but therein lies the problem with trying to make a comparison. I could only really tell you if life is better now than in the past if I could reverse my ageing process and go back to trying to live the same lifestyle I was back then. Obviously I can't, so it's impossible to make a firm judgement either way.

 

[whelk]

3 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I was only a nipper so didn’t know better or worse, that’s what it was. Depends where in the country you were with that decade. Southampton - good place to be, SE and London, very good. Midlands - depends where, not in the manufacturing areas. North - hmmm, not in steel, coal or other industries. 

I was a kid for most of it with uni in late 80s. Obviously it was shit for loads of people but was relative I guess and fascinating from football perspective before the hype and PL introduced post Italia 90

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Did life used to be better? It's a difficult one to quantify for so many reasons that a lot of posters have already touched on. Certainly life used to be simpler, but whether or not that made it better is down to the individual.

Some are pointing to a reduction in the number of people below the poverty line to argue life is better now, but I think that is an over-simplification. Firstly, the definition of poverty has changed over time and the 'poverty line' is just an arbitrary number. And secondly, wealth does not equal happiness - or at least it shouldn't. It's perfectly possible to be poor but still happy, but these days we are bombarded with insidious advertising that is carefully designed to manipulate people into believing that their lives will be incomplete without the product they are selling. 

Some have also touched on the longer life expectancy that we have now, and it's true that modern medical advancements mean people are living longer, and lots of conditions that would have been fatal in the past are curable now. But the massive rise in rates of obesity and other diet-related diseases, which correlates very closely to the proliferation of ultra-processed food in western diets since the 1970s, would suggest that although we might be living longer, we aren't necessarily healthier than we used to be. On top of that, we now live in an age of information overload which has led to a massive rise in levels of stress and other mental health related problems. We've also decimated our natural world, which has reduced people's opportunities to benefit from the proven mental and physical health boost of getting out into nature.

It used to be perfectly feasible for a young couple on a single, average salary to get a mortgage, but that's impossible now. Overwhelmingly, parents both need to work full time these days to live a comfortable life, which means running a household falls on both parents outside of work time and kids aren't getting as much day to day interaction with their mothers at a young age as they used to. On top of that, families tend to be much more disparate now as people are often forced to relocate to find work. The result of all this is kids growing up with working parents and no other family nearby, so parents are forced to rely on expensive childcare and their kids don't get the social interaction with a wider family group that is important for their development. This is not a positive advancement in society IMO.

Overall, I wouldn't say I'm happier now than I was in, say, the 1990s. I wasn't earning a lot of money back then, but I was secure and didn't have any worries, and I had a lot of fun. I'm now fast approaching 50, with a fairly stressful job and a family to consider, which together takes up about 95% of my energy and doesn't leave a lot of space for leisure - certainly not the things I used to take for granted in my 20s anyway. I guess that's just part of getting old and isn't really an indicator of how good life in general is now compared to then, but therein lies the problem with trying to make a comparison. I could only really tell you if life is better now than in the past if I could reverse my ageing process and go back to trying to live the same lifestyle I was back then. Obviously I can't, so it's impossible to make a firm judgement either way.

 

Good post but I wouldn't equate less people in extreme poverty with wealth. The measure I was using for extreme poverty hadn't changed since it was devised (I'd have to look up the exact amount) but it basically means they are able to survive without starving to death and have a somewhat sustainable future which is clearly an improvement on the alternative. Of course money doesn't buy happiness. 

Edited November 12 by hypochondriac

[AlexLaw76]

The people of Altrincham have never had it so good..

https://x.com/byapptto/status/1855718134684193231

Edited November 12 by AlexLaw76

[egg]

6 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Good post but I wouldn't equate less people in extreme poverty with wealth. The measure I was using for extreme poverty hadn't changed since it was devised (I'd have to look up the exact amount) but it basically means they are able to survive without starving to death and have a somewhat sustainable future which is clearly an improvement on the alternative. Of course money doesn't buy happiness. 

I still don't know why you're insinuating that Global poverty is going down. It isn't. 

The worldbank says global poverty has had its first increase in decades https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/opendata/march-2024-global-poverty-update-from-the-world-bank--first-esti

The latest UN figures (not that recent though) has said that extreme poverty has risen https://unstats.un.org/sdgs/report/2022/goal-01/

 

[Lighthouse]

4 hours ago, egg said:

I still don't know why you're insinuating that Global poverty is going down. It isn't. 

The worldbank says global poverty has had its first increase in decades https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/opendata/march-2024-global-poverty-update-from-the-world-bank--first-esti

The latest UN figures (not that recent though) has said that extreme poverty has risen https://unstats.un.org/sdgs/report/2022/goal-01/

 

The problem (for want of a better word) with having a better world is that more people survive longer, so you get a population explosion, which just leads to more people in poverty. It’s a vicious circle of sorts, where the world perpetually supports a population which is just on the tipping point of poverty.

[AlexLaw76]

It is going to get better (and much more expensive) when we slash emissions by 81% in the next 10 years.

We will own less and be happy

Edited November 12 by AlexLaw76

[Whitey Grandad]

11 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

It is going to get better (and much more expensive) when we slash emissions by 81% in the next 10 years.

We will own less and be happy

And we will be cold.

[Weston Super Saint]

14 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

And we will be cold.

Get up to £7500 towards a heat pump

[hypochondriac]

4 hours ago, egg said:

I still don't know why you're insinuating that Global poverty is going down. It isn't. 

The worldbank says global poverty has had its first increase in decades https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/opendata/march-2024-global-poverty-update-from-the-world-bank--first-esti

The latest UN figures (not that recent though) has said that extreme poverty has risen https://unstats.un.org/sdgs/report/2022/goal-01/

 

Looks to me like there is potentially a minor uptick in poverty over a year or two directly caused by the global pandemic (though the figures I saw for extreme poverty said it was going down). The overall trend will be downward and at an accelerated rate following covid recovery and that will continue to be the case barring some catastrophic event like a giant war or global pandemic. 

[Turkish]

It was certainly better when SOG could only post 3 times a day

[Turkish]

On 11/11/2024 at 16:13, sadoldgit said:

Our previous PM doesn’t think that it’s a bed of roses nowadays. Nor does the previous Foreign Secretary and former PM.

https://londonlovesbusiness.com/sunak-warns-the-uks-in-the-most-dangerous-times-ever-seen-and-our-lives-is-going-to-change/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron-foreign-secretary-world-economic-forum-davos-bill-gates-b1132849.html

Yes but the Tories are self serving lying scum aren’t they so surely you’re not going to use them as evidence to support your claims?

[Turkish]

On 11/11/2024 at 23:48, Sheaf Saint said:

Did life used to be better? It's a difficult one to quantify for so many reasons that a lot of posters have already touched on. Certainly life used to be simpler, but whether or not that made it better is down to the individual.

Some are pointing to a reduction in the number of people below the poverty line to argue life is better now, but I think that is an over-simplification. Firstly, the definition of poverty has changed over time and the 'poverty line' is just an arbitrary number. And secondly, wealth does not equal happiness - or at least it shouldn't. It's perfectly possible to be poor but still happy, but these days we are bombarded with insidious advertising that is carefully designed to manipulate people into believing that their lives will be incomplete without the product they are selling. 

Some have also touched on the longer life expectancy that we have now, and it's true that modern medical advancements mean people are living longer, and lots of conditions that would have been fatal in the past are curable now. But the massive rise in rates of obesity and other diet-related diseases, which correlates very closely to the proliferation of ultra-processed food in western diets since the 1970s, would suggest that although we might be living longer, we aren't necessarily healthier than we used to be. On top of that, we now live in an age of information overload which has led to a massive rise in levels of stress and other mental health related problems. We've also decimated our natural world, which has reduced people's opportunities to benefit from the proven mental and physical health boost of getting out into nature.

It used to be perfectly feasible for a young couple on a single, average salary to get a mortgage, but that's impossible now. Overwhelmingly, parents both need to work full time these days to live a comfortable life, which means running a household falls on both parents outside of work time and kids aren't getting as much day to day interaction with their mothers at a young age as they used to. On top of that, families tend to be much more disparate now as people are often forced to relocate to find work. The result of all this is kids growing up with working parents and no other family nearby, so parents are forced to rely on expensive childcare and their kids don't get the social interaction with a wider family group that is important for their development. This is not a positive advancement in society IMO.

Overall, I wouldn't say I'm happier now than I was in, say, the 1990s. I wasn't earning a lot of money back then, but I was secure and didn't have any worries, and I had a lot of fun. I'm now fast approaching 50, with a fairly stressful job and a family to consider, which together takes up about 95% of my energy and doesn't leave a lot of space for leisure - certainly not the things I used to take for granted in my 20s anyway. I guess that's just part of getting old and isn't really an indicator of how good life in general is now compared to then, but therein lies the problem with trying to make a comparison. I could only really tell you if life is better now than in the past if I could reverse my ageing process and go back to trying to live the same lifestyle I was back then. Obviously I can't, so it's impossible to make a firm judgement either way.

 

Life is always going to feel happier when you have hardly any responsibilities, everything is new and exciting and all you’ve got to worry about is what you’re doing at the weekend. The 90s were brilliant for me, I have great memories of growing up but that doesn’t mean every day and every thing was brilliant. My life is brilliant now annd I have a lot of responsibility but equally that doesn’t mean every day and everything is brilliant now either. 
 

I really do believe it comes down to expectations, a lot of people these days expect the world to be perfect nothing bad to ever happen to them, they expect to be able to buy a house whilst also having holidays abroad, drive nice cars and be on high paid jobs very quickly after coming out of education. When inevitably bad things do happen they have a victim mindset rather than working through it. By bad things I don’t mean serious stuff like your kid or partner dying or getting cancer etc, you just got to survive those times as best you can, I mean the smaller stuff that can and does happen to anyone at any time. I think people these days have more expectations and less resilience because generally our lives are fairly comfortable. 

[egg]

44 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Life is always going to feel happier when you have hardly any responsibilities, everything is new and exciting and all you’ve got to worry about is what you’re doing at the weekend. The 90s were brilliant for me, I have great memories of growing up but that doesn’t mean every day and every thing was brilliant. My life is brilliant now annd I have a lot of responsibility but equally that doesn’t mean every day and everything is brilliant now either. 
 

I really do believe it comes down to expectations, a lot of people these days expect the world to be perfect nothing bad to ever happen to them, they expect to be able to buy a house whilst also having holidays abroad, drive nice cars and be on high paid jobs very quickly after coming out of education. When inevitably bad things do happen they have a victim mindset rather than working through it. By bad things I don’t mean serious stuff like your kid or partner dying or getting cancer etc, you just got to survive those times as best you can, I mean the smaller stuff that can and does happen to anyone at any time. I think people these days have more expectations and less resilience because generally our lives are fairly comfortable. 

Good post, and I'm with you on expectations. Awful things. If we expect too much of ourselves and don't meet them it doesn't feel great, and if we have expectations of others that are not fulfilled we can cop resentments.

That's all over above your point that people have expectations of the world generally that just aren't realistic, and are completely out of their control anyway.

Keep expectation of others realistic (or better still expect nothing of others), do what you can reasonably do and as well as you can, accept people and the world as being what it is, and life is infinitely easier. 

On your other point. There's a difference between the split topic and the subject being discussed pre split. Hypo's point was that the world is the best it's ever been, whereas the split topic could mean is life (for us) better now. On the first point, I remain of the opinion that the world isn't the best it's ever been. On the second point, I've had periods of my life which have been much better than the present, but on the whole my life is much better now for all manner of reasons, least because I keep expectations low and therefore am rarely disappointed. 

[whelk]

Life could never be complete in the 90s as there was no Saintsweb and I would never have met all you beautiful people

[Turkish]

13 hours ago, egg said:

Good post, and I'm with you on expectations. Awful things. If we expect too much of ourselves and don't meet them it doesn't feel great, and if we have expectations of others that are not fulfilled we can cop resentments.

That's all over above your point that people have expectations of the world generally that just aren't realistic, and are completely out of their control anyway.

Keep expectation of others realistic (or better still expect nothing of others), do what you can reasonably do and as well as you can, accept people and the world as being what it is, and life is infinitely easier. 

On your other point. There's a difference between the split topic and the subject being discussed pre split. Hypo's point was that the world is the best it's ever been, whereas the split topic could mean is life (for us) better now. On the first point, I remain of the opinion that the world isn't the best it's ever been. On the second point, I've had periods of my life which have been much better than the present, but on the whole my life is much better now for all manner of reasons, least because I keep expectations low and therefore am rarely disappointed. 

Wasn’t this subject split because SOG said about how tough life is?

I disagree life is tough for us, yes we can all point to things that mean it isn’t great but for kids growing up these days they have more opportunity than ever before. The food and big pharma industry, a particular crusade of mine, have a lot to answer for but no one forces you to stick ultra processed food down your gob 4 or 5 times a day. They might make it hard for some people not to but again no one’s holding a gun to their head forcing them.

im on business this week in South Africa (yes they send a white English guy 6000 to sort the issues but that’s another story) if you want to see life being tough spend a week herein Johannesburg, 30% unemployment, temporary houses on every highway, beggars everywhere, crime sky high, Gini coefficient the worst in the world, even people with relatively well paid jobs have entire families of 10,11,12 people depending on them. That’s tough. Then there me getting a taxi to a luxury hotel costing the same price as premier inn here, going out to top notch restaurants with 6 people and paying less than £30 a person including wine and saying how cheap it is here, makes you realise your problems ain’t that bad at all 

Edited November 14 by Turkish

[The Kraken]

4 hours ago, whelk said:

Life could never be complete in the 90s as there was no Saintsweb and I would never have met all you beautiful people

Saintslist >>>>>>> Saintsweb

[Turkish]

On 11/11/2024 at 12:46, sadoldgit said:

Utter twaddle. As ever you base your assumption on your own blinkered version of “life” as it applies to other people.

Do you think people in Gaza, Ukraine, many parts of Africa, Valencia, people here who rely on food banks, people here waiting years for necessary operations, people here waiting for mental health appointments,Americans who value democracy and decency etc etc etc think we are living in the best times ever. Muslims and Jews around the world afraid for their safely every day all around the world. Best times? 
Everything is relative and whilst “times” have been worse, to claim they are “the best they have ever been in human history” shows a level of naivety that underlies your entire posting history on here.

Uniquely terrible? It depends where you live and upon your own circumstances, but if you bother to pay attention to world news on a daily basis it is very obvious to all that we are certainly not living in the best times ever. 

You seem to think war has only just been invented. In the 1990s if you were an Iraqi, Bosnian or Rwandan youd be saying the same as those in Ukraine and Gaza are now. Did you know there has been war, famine and corruption in Africa, Jews have been afraid for their safety for decades? It hasn’t suddenly become a thing now because you’ve got access to the internet. 
 

we know how badly your life has turned out as you regularly bemoan it on here but as I’ve said to you many times this appears to be because you think everyone should be as great a guy as you are by constantly being virtuous on an internet forum. 

It seems like you’re the one showing a level of naivety that underlines your entire posting history on here.

 

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You seem to think war has only just been invented. In the 1990s if you were an Iraqi, Bosnian or Rwandan youd be saying the same as those in Ukraine and Gaza are now. Did you know there has been war, famine and corruption in Africa, Jews have been afraid for their safety for decades? It hasn’t suddenly become a thing now because you’ve got access to the internet. 
 

we know how badly your life has turned out as you regularly bemoan it on here but as I’ve said to you many times this appears to be because you think everyone should be as great a guy as you are by constantly being virtuous on an internet forum. 

It seems like you’re the one showing a level of naivety that underlines your entire posting history on here.

 

To be fair, if I were soggy I'd be angrily denying that now is the greatest time to ever live because my life is mostly shitty and it would magnify my failures as a person were I to admit that to myself. 

Edited November 14 by hypochondriac

[badgerx16]

To settle this once and for all.......

 

[AlexLaw76]

On 11/11/2024 at 10:46, sadoldgit said:

Utter twaddle. As ever you base your assumption on your own blinkered version of “life” as it applies to other people.

Do you think people in Gaza, Ukraine, many parts of Africa, Valencia, people here who rely on food banks, people here waiting years for necessary operations, people here waiting for mental health appointments,Americans who value democracy and decency etc etc etc think we are living in the best times ever. Muslims and Jews around the world afraid for their safely every day all around the world. Best times? 
Everything is relative and whilst “times” have been worse, to claim they are “the best they have ever been in human history” shows a level of naivety that underlies your entire posting history on here.

Uniquely terrible? It depends where you live and upon your own circumstances, but if you bother to pay attention to world news on a daily basis it is very obvious to all that we are certainly not living in the best times ever. 

 

[egg]

16 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Saintslist >>>>>>> Saintsweb

Can anyone remember when Saintslist began? Forum life was definitely better then - some absolute nutcases on that site. 

[Turkish]

10 hours ago, egg said:

Can anyone remember when Saintslist began? Forum life was definitely better then - some absolute nutcases on that site. 

Late 90s wasn’t it? The original saintsforever started around then too and the online ugly inside. 
 

 

[hypochondriac]

6 hours ago, Turkish said:

Late 90s wasn’t it? The original saintsforever started around then too and the online ugly inside. 
 

 

I was on Saintslist and saints forever from 2001. Not sure about the time prior to that. 

Edited November 15 by hypochondriac

[egg]

6 hours ago, Turkish said:

Late 90s wasn’t it? The original saintsforever started around then too and the online ugly inside. 
 

 

Saintsforever is the one I meant. The tubgirl, amygate, etc one. 

[Turkish]

4 hours ago, egg said:

Saintsforever is the one I meant. The tubgirl, amygate, etc one. 

That started on network 54 platform late 90s I started posting in 1999 on there after being told about it. It was really good back then a toned down version of the banter forum which followed after it became overrun with the excitable geeks with what names were they getting on their shirt threads and their seating plans. That was around the time of the 2003 cup final when suddenly out of no where all these little goons appeared along with people old Baj who seemed to think being a mod on there made him some sort of celebrity 
 

 

[Redbul]

On 11/11/2024 at 12:35, badgerx16 said:

2 complete myths; the Romans and British were constantly fighting somewhere around their Empires, either to keep 'barbarians' out or to suppress internal dissention. In either case it was fine if you were part of the governing elite, but the Great Unwashed were too busy scrabbling to survive to notice how well off they were.

'Twas ever thus.

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

That started on network 54 platform late 90s I started posting in 1999 on there after being told about it. It was really good back then a toned down version of the banter forum which followed after it became overrun with the excitable geeks with what names were they getting on their shirt threads and their seating plans. That was around the time of the 2003 cup final when suddenly out of no where all these little goons appeared along with people old Baj who seemed to think being a mod on there made him some sort of celebrity 
 

 

His Bajesty DM'd me some of his poetry once to critique. 

Edited Friday at 16:55 by hypochondriac

[ecuk268]

15 hours ago, Turkish said:

Late 90s wasn’t it? The original saintsforever started around then too and the online ugly inside. 
 

 

I think that the first Saints presence on the internet was in the early 90's and was a mailing list hosted by Ian Barclay on a  server at Hewlett Packard in Bristol where he worked. It then migrated to Southampton Uni where Dr Dave Currie and Mike Furby created the first Saints website. 

They got the club interested and it was officially launched at the Uni by Matt Le Tiss in early 1996. I did the home match reports for a while but when Rupert Lowe took over they started to edit them so I stopped. 

The mailing list is still going but with much reduced numbers.

 

Edited Friday at 17:09 by ecuk268

[Turkish]

In 1992 east 17 said “‘Mother Earth is on overload, one more war it she might explode” in the same song they told us “not worried about religion not worried about your creed in the house of love everybody’s free”

You can say what you like about Tony Mortimer and Brian Harvey but not only did they have 4 top 10 albums they had the right idea

[hypochondriac]

Great news. That's a big tick for Latin America. 

[Turkish]

Is ME still a thing? It was the most have condition about 20 years ago with everyone who felt a bit under the weather claiming to have it. Seems like it’s not so fashionable anymore. 

[trousers]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Is ME still a thing? It was the most have condition about 20 years ago with everyone who felt a bit under the weather claiming to have it. Seems like it’s not so fashionable anymore. 

My daughter was diagnosed with ME (aka Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) earlier this year.  Wouldn't wish it upon anyone. Her life is basically on hold at the age of 27

Edited Tuesday at 00:01 by trousers

[whelk]

9 hours ago, trousers said:

My daughter was diagnosed with ME (aka Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) earlier this year.  Wouldn't wish it upon anyone. Her life is basically on hold at the age of 27

Sorry to hear that Trousers. So easy to be judgemental (and often ill informed) when not personally affected. Hope she manages to recover soon

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, whelk said:

Sorry to hear that Trousers. So easy to be judgemental (and often ill informed) when not personally affected. Hope she manages to recover soon

It is but like a lot of these things for every genuine case there are many others who aren't. I remember 20 years ago dozens of people claimed to have it. People felt a bit tired, must have ME. One lad i knew as apparently too tired from ME to work all week but was fine to go out on the piss all weekend clubbing until 4am every saturday night. You dont really hear about it anymore hence the question. It's like autism, ADHD and depression these days, there are genuine cases but also for some people it's an excuse or label to justify their behaviour.

@trousers sorry to hear this mate. Hope she recovers. 

[whelk]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It is but like a lot of these things for every genuine case there are many others who aren't. I remember 20 years ago dozens of people claimed to have it. People felt a bit tired, must have ME. One lad i knew as apparently too tired from ME to work all week but was fine to go out on the piss all weekend clubbing until 4am every saturday night. You dont really hear about it anymore hence the question. It's like autism, ADHD and depression these days, there are genuine cases but also for some people it's an excuse or label to justify their behaviour.

@trousers sorry to hear this mate. Hope she recovers. 

Totally agree. I include myself as ill informed btw. There are always those keen to want to label themselves with something as is their nature to excuse themselves from taking action. It is frustrating as takes away from the genuine.

i am 99% sure I am ADHD but have always just categorised as knowing my strengths and weakness at work. Many saying the diagnosis as an adult transformed them but I don’t see it helping me at all. Definitely wouldn’t take any medication to correct my hectic mind

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, whelk said:

Totally agree. I include myself as ill informed btw. There are always those keen to want to label themselves with something as is their nature to excuse themselves from taking action. It is frustrating as takes away from the genuine.

i am 99% sure I am ADHD but have always just categorised as knowing my strengths and weakness at work. Many saying the diagnosis as an adult transformed them but I don’t see it helping me at all. Definitely wouldn’t take any medication to correct my hectic mind

I listened to a very good podcast a while back on the rise of ADHD and autism. Undoubtedly there are genuine cases but the guy said that kids these days are pumped full of sugar (and in some cases caffine) all the time, dont do anything to burn it off a lot of them just sit on phones or play stations a lot of the time so it's no wonder that they're wired and all over the place. My lads does football 6 times a week, rugby twice a week and is very fit and active, we mistakenly let him have a bottle of sugar free lucazade after training one evening recently not checking the ingredients and he was wide awake until midnight saying he felt stressed and angry and didn't know why, when he should have been knackered after school rugby training then team football training the same night, he was absolutely wired,  when we checked the bottle although it was sugar free it had 15 grams of caffine in it, funnily enough the next day he was back to normal, he's never been allowed it again and we've had no repeat. Parents are sticking this shit in their kids all the time then wondering why they behave like they do. Easier to put a label on it than look at their lifestyle. 

 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

I listened to a very good podcast a while back on the rise of ADHD and autism. Undoubtedly there are genuine cases but the guy said that kids these days are pumped full of sugar (and in some cases caffine) all the time, dont do anything to burn it off a lot of them just sit on phones or play stations a lot of the time so it's no wonder that they're wired and all over the place. My lads does football 6 times a week, rugby twice a week and is very fit and active, we mistakenly let him have a bottle of sugar free lucazade after training one evening recently not checking the ingredients and he was wide awake until midnight saying he felt stressed and angry and didn't know why, when he should have been knackered after school rugby training then team football training the same night, he was absolutely wired,  when we checked the bottle although it was sugar free it had 15 grams of caffine in it, funnily enough the next day he was back to normal, he's never been allowed it again and we've had no repeat. Parents are sticking this shit in their kids all the time then wondering why they behave like they do. Easier to put a label on it than look at their lifestyle. 

 

I am on crusade against processed food in our family - generally we are reasonably healthy but so much shit everywhere you look. Only learnt recently that leptin levels affected by so much that will give so many a false picture of needing food when they don’t. So they eat and eat and more obsese they become the more ineffective insulin becomes so then want to eat more crap.