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AlexLaw76

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Should Russell Martin be moved on?  

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  1. 1. Should Russell Martin be moved on from being manager?

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OneMrsWallace

OneMrsWallace

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Yes, yes and thrice yes. Does he have the quality of player to utilise his system? No. Will Saints ever have that quality of squad? Very unlikely - so for me there's no logic in keeping him. Reckon they will though. They all seem to be prepared to go down with the sinking ship. What a mess. 

 

 

 

Harry_SFC

Harry_SFC

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8 minutes ago, coalman said:

Last season we played some lovely stuff in patches. That being said the seeds of this season were there to see. I was hoping Martin would build on last season and adapt to the higher level of intensity and quality of the Premier League but he hasn't.

We did play some decent stuff against the poorer sides in the division (as you'd expect us to) but against some of the better sides we looked like we do in pretty much every game this season - awful.

The Sunderland, Leicester thrashings coupled with two defeats to Ipswich, a pathetic away showing at Bristol City, another terrible one at home to Hull. There's probably more. How we have started this season is no surprise what so ever. 

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OneMrsWallace

OneMrsWallace

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2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

The players will be pissed of that this clown is making them look terrible and in private will be saying it, any professional footballer with any pride will be looking for a way out asap

Careful. Gio will be on your case for daring to question their absolute loyal to RM 😂

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Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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17 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

We did play some decent stuff against the poorer sides in the division (as you'd expect us to) but against some of the better sides we looked like we do in pretty much every game this season - awful.

The Sunderland, Leicester thrashings coupled with two defeats to Ipswich, a pathetic away showing at Bristol City, another terrible one at home to Hull. There's probably more. How we have started this season is no surprise what so ever. 

We played pretty badly against some of the poorer sides as well. The home defeat to Millwall, and the debacle of that home game against Huddersfield spring to mind. 

Let's face it, the only games in which we comprehensively outplayed the opposition were the ones where they were naive enough to fall into our pressing traps like Blackburn and Swansea.

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WGC Saint

WGC Saint

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As we’ve heard nothing I’m assuming that he’s sadly still in charge.
The people I feel most sorry for are the fans that pay good money to follow Saints week in week out. I used to but gave up a few years ago due to moving so far away and family commitments etc and I can’t even watch us on tv any more as the football RM dishes up just irritates the hell out of me. 
We limped into the Prem this season and we’ll limp out again.  All very depressing.

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Vancouver Saint

Vancouver Saint

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I said at the beginning of the season give him 10 games....I stuck with that through gritted teeth...final straw for me was the Leicester game when at 2-1 up and the momentum swinging against us, he brought on a recovering-from-injury Smallbone (who shouldn't be anywhere near a PL team IMHO) leaving Lallana on the bench! Confirmed that he is a totally clueless manager who puts the dressing room culture/players before the customers - us mug fans who are victims of having had the club choose us (think Harry Potter's wand)...in my case for the last 55 years as a supporter.  

He is denying someone else the opportunity of salvaging our reputation and PL status.

Must go now.

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Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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I’m at a loss as to why 10% of the respondents are advocating keeping Martin. Is this because they’re unsure of who might replace him? Or because it’s impractical for SR to sack him financially? Surely it’s not because he’s got the team performing to the best of its ability??? The results (and particularly the turnarounds such as Leicester) tell me he’s not got control of the situation - he’s way out of his depth and most importantly, his football is boring and is unquestionably failing to achieve anything except break all the wrong records. Yes, remarkably we’re still in touch with 17th place, but there’s absolutely nothing in Russball - NOTHING - to suggest that we will drag ourselves off the bottom of the table let alone be better than the next worst three teams in the league.

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BotleySaint

BotleySaint

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I don't mind going down again much. But still can't see anything other than us smashing the records nobody wants for being the worst premier league team of all time if we remain under Martin.

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HKsaint

HKsaint

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We should change the rule to the effect that only possession (instead of goals) counts. We are no.4 in the table of possession and would be qualified for champion league. 

StrangelyBrown

StrangelyBrown

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If RM stays the course, what might happen?

1) Some sort of miracle happens and we pull together some results and stay up - we'll beat a number of the better teams to get the points we need having already thrown away points against Ipswich, Wolves, etc. This is the stuff of pure fantasy.

2) we go down fighting and give ourselves a good chance of coming straight back. He gets the fans back onside by playing more attractive football and ditching the ponderousness of Russball.

3) we go down with a whimper continuing to play Russball. RM starts waffling on about scar tissue and it takes him until November 2026 to get the team firing again. He loses the fan base completely and things are really toxic

I can only see scenario 3 happening. Which begs the question WTF are SR hoping is going to happen?

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Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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The psychology of the squad must be rock bottom right now - do they honestly believe deep down that they will win another game again this season? Do they care that they will be a part of the worst team in EPL history, with little chance of that dubious honour ever being eradicated? 

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Mr X

Mr X

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53 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

If RM stays the course, what might happen?

1) Some sort of miracle happens and we pull together some results and stay up - we'll beat a number of the better teams to get the points we need having already thrown away points against Ipswich, Wolves, etc. This is the stuff of pure fantasy.

2) we go down fighting and give ourselves a good chance of coming straight back. He gets the fans back onside by playing more attractive football and ditching the ponderousness of Russball.

3) we go down with a whimper continuing to play Russball. RM starts waffling on about scar tissue and it takes him until November 2026 to get the team firing again. He loses the fan base completely and things are really toxic

I can only see scenario 3 happening. Which begs the question WTF are SR hoping is going to happen?

They are gambling on option 2 getting the fans back onside through a change of style but it's hugely naive as Martin simply isn't going to ditch his philosophy and he's been very clear on that. 

It's very likely that we won't have any more points on the board by Xmas, I think the owners are taking the piss and know that saints fans are meek and submissive and won't do anywhere near the protests that other clubs would so they are happy to just roll with it!

You would think his position would be untenable back in the championship but stranger things have happened!

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steveo

steveo

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RM`s "system" is just not working, there is no plan B. He takes the coaching, picks the team and gives them instructions. After yet another poor defeat he says we should do more with the ball. WTF does he coach then? Its his team following his style of play, it just does not work. If he won`t change then he has to go.

Here`s a thought, how about an absolute punt on RVN? Give him till the end of the season, he`s got a decent coaching staff with him, and could he do any worse?

FarehamSaintJames

FarehamSaintJames

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15 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I’m at a loss as to why 10% of the respondents are advocating keeping Martin. Is this because they’re unsure of who might replace him? Or because it’s impractical for SR to sack him financially? Surely it’s not because he’s got the team performing to the best of its ability??? The results (and particularly the turnarounds such as Leicester) tell me he’s not got control of the situation - he’s way out of his depth and most importantly, his football is boring and is unquestionably failing to achieve anything except break all the wrong records. Yes, remarkably we’re still in touch with 17th place, but there’s absolutely nothing in Russball - NOTHING - to suggest that we will drag ourselves off the bottom of the table let alone be better than the next worst three teams in the league.

This. I voted for him to go, but I don’t want him to go if we’re going to bring in some inadequate mid EFL manager in as the replacement.

Imagine we went for someone of Emery’s class like Villa did two years ago. 😥

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Colinjb

Colinjb

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11 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

This. I voted for him to go, but I don’t want him to go if we’re going to bring in some inadequate mid EFL manager in as the replacement.

Imagine we went for someone of Emery’s class like Villa did two years ago. 😥

Like we did 19 months ago?

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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4 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I still get nightmares of Villa getting Unai Emery and Saints getting Nathan Jones within two weeks of each other.

SR were looking to reduce individual wages, to maximise sell on values. Villa were looking to pay players for league success.

Just two very different outlooks, that extended to their managerial decision making too.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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8 hours ago, StrangelyBrown said:

If RM stays the course, what might happen?

1) Some sort of miracle happens and we pull together some results and stay up - we'll beat a number of the better teams to get the points we need having already thrown away points against Ipswich, Wolves, etc. This is the stuff of pure fantasy.

2) we go down fighting and give ourselves a good chance of coming straight back. He gets the fans back onside by playing more attractive football and ditching the ponderousness of Russball.

3) we go down with a whimper continuing to play Russball. RM starts waffling on about scar tissue and it takes him until November 2026 to get the team firing again. He loses the fan base completely and things are really toxic

I can only see scenario 3 happening. Which begs the question WTF are SR hoping is going to happen?

2 is even more of a fantasy than 1. Martin has pretty much said he'd rather lose than change and that he would never change the fundamentals of his approach.

That leaves 3. Martin would have to stay around the top places after the squad settled in, to stay at that point. Much like last season.

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Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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2 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

I haven t. Fully backing Russel, he deserves the season.

Based on what? The stunning results? The lovely warm hugs? His perfectly manicured beard? I’m not getting it, unless you’re on a wind-up of course.

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stevy777_x

stevy777_x

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3 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Based on what? The stunning results? The lovely warm hugs? His perfectly manicured beard? I’m not getting it, unless you’re on a wind-up of course.

I was of the opinion we needed to give Ralph the season. 
My reasoning hasn’t changed for Russell Martin.

Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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3 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

I was of the opinion we needed to give Ralph the season. 
My reasoning hasn’t changed for Russell Martin.

So your reasoning is simply because any given manager deserves the season. Fair enough and if the rumours are true, the club can’t spend the money on a sacking anyway, but it doesn’t remove the fact that Russ doesn’t deserve to be kept in place. His style of football is boring and his results are simply atrocious.

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Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

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Anyone that’s voted to keep him doesn’t understand football. 
 

Everything about his management is appalling. Absolute egotistical cock. Doesn’t have a fucking clue. 
 

He will be back to league one after he finishes with us, same as Nathan Jones. Sports republic are fucking cretins 

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Dman

Dman

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13 hours ago, stevy777_x said:

I was of the opinion we needed to give Ralph the season. 
My reasoning hasn’t changed for Russell Martin.

Lets get something straight... .

Martin is in no way comparitable with Ralph.

Ralph is a pretty decent premier leauge manager. Martin is a mid-table championship manager. Martin has done nothing to suggest that he deserves to stay on for any games longer than he's already had (5 too many imo). 

It ended ugly with Ralph, he was given 6 months longer than he shoudl have been. Clearly, in hindsight it looks daft replacing him with Jones but he was spent with us and had we been a little more sensible with his replacement we probably would have stayed up. Its a shame the board threw money at Jones in January and not Ralph in the summer. 

Your reasoning is a bit odd if I'm honest. Plently of sides have made changes mid-season and been sucessful as a result. Damage limition for us now. We need to get to 12 points, which were not getting under this clown. 

 

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SaintsBarry74

SaintsBarry74

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14 minutes ago, Dman said:

Lets get something straight... .

Martin is in no way comparitable with Ralph.

Ralph is a pretty decent premier leauge manager. Martin is a mid-table championship manager. Martin has done nothing to suggest that he deserves to stay on for any games longer than he's already had (5 too many imo). 

It ended ugly with Ralph, he was given 6 months longer than he shoudl have been. Clearly, in hindsight it looks daft replacing him with Jones but he was spent with us and had we been a little more sensible with his replacement we probably would have stayed up. Its a shame the board threw money at Jones in January and not Ralph in the summer. 

Your reasoning is a bit odd if I'm honest. Plently of sides have made changes mid-season and been sucessful as a result. Damage limition for us now. We need to get to 12 points, which were not getting under this clown. 

 

I don’t care what anyone says, a decent premier league manager doesn’t lose 0-9 twice.

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Sarisbury Saint

Sarisbury Saint

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21 hours ago, Mr X said:

Would be interested to know if anyone's changed their mind out of the 10% odd that want him to stay! 

Getting close, but do you think we have enough players that are premier league quality ? I thought we were better going forward against Liverpool, but we really do have to stop this madness at the back which I don’t think he’ll ever change.

 

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Sarisbury Saint

Sarisbury Saint

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19 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Anyone that’s voted to keep him doesn’t understand football. 
 

Everything about his management is appalling. Absolute egotistical cock. Doesn’t have a fucking clue. 
 

He will be back to league one after he finishes with us, same as Nathan Jones. Sports republic are fucking cretins 

There lies the problem.

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Dr Who?

Dr Who?

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We need to stop the Russball in our own 3rd. I like the way we play but higher up the pitch. Our 2nd goal on Sunday was superb, but we need to me more direct like that, and hurt teams, run at them. Do not Fanny around with the ball in and around our penalty box. If he does not change this, I will change from the 10%. The other factor is we need to have something better up our sleeve and not change just because the club are giving into pressure, which is growing, but not quite to the bed wetting levels of in here. 

I have no idea what the right answer is, but apart from the fannying around and the laboured play in the majority, I do like the way we ‘try’ and play football, it is an identity but it’s not working. If tweaked he could be onto a winner, but he might not be, just like any other manager who comes in. 🤷🏽 

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Disco Stu

Disco Stu

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On 26/11/2024 at 20:34, Dr Who? said:

We need to stop the Russball in our own 3rd. I like the way we play but higher up the pitch. Our 2nd goal on Sunday was superb, but we need to me more direct like that, and hurt teams, run at them. Do not Fanny around with the ball in and around our penalty box. If he does not change this, I will change from the 10%. The other factor is we need to have something better up our sleeve and not change just because the club are giving into pressure, which is growing, but not quite to the bed wetting levels of in here. 

I have no idea what the right answer is, but apart from the fannying around and the laboured play in the majority, I do like the way we ‘try’ and play football, it is an identity but it’s not working. If tweaked he could be onto a winner, but he might not be, just like any other manager who comes in. 🤷🏽 

I do.

Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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On 26/11/2024 at 10:34, Dr Who? said:

We need to stop the Russball in our own 3rd. I like the way we play but higher up the pitch. Our 2nd goal on Sunday was superb, but we need to me more direct like that, and hurt teams, run at them. Do not Fanny around with the ball in and around our penalty box. If he does not change this, I will change from the 10%. The other factor is we need to have something better up our sleeve and not change just because the club are giving into pressure, which is growing, but not quite to the bed wetting levels of in here. 

I have no idea what the right answer is, but apart from the fannying around and the laboured play in the majority, I do like the way we ‘try’ and play football, it is an identity but it’s not working. If tweaked he could be onto a winner, but he might not be, just like any other manager who comes in. 🤷🏽 

What is this ‘tweak’ whereof you speak?

Dr Who?

Dr Who?

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2 hours ago, Number9 said:

Sports Republic shouldn't have extended his contract and I guess it's now too expensive to move him on...

We I have heard is still the ‘process’ and we are still at a very early stage of it. Seems they will stick with RM whatever and if we need to go again from the championship we will. Cannot see us staying up, but you never know. 

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