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Should Russell Martin be moved on?  

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  1. 1. Should Russell Martin be moved on from being manager?

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gecko

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17 hours ago, Football Special said:

Agree. Been enough games to prove his style of football in never going to work at this level 

Enough games to prove his style of football wont work at this level with players of our level - perhaps things would be different if we had City's budget for players. But we obviously don't; so why the board and Russell insist on this suicidal manner of play is beyond me.

His comments are even more frustrating. You can't spend all of training, teach people to keep possession all the time by slinging it around at the back, and then bemoan mistakes happening at the back.

I'm not going to say outright that this squad would be doing any better with another manager - although it's hard to be doing much worse than bottom tbf - but the frailties of this playing style were obvious to everyone during the Champ season. It's even more so this season - he needs to adapt, and fast, or get out.

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Sheaf Saint

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2 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Staggered he’s still here. It can only be for financial reasons because surely even SR aren’t this fucking stupid?

Just two key points here which might suggest otherwise...

Firstly, they appointed Nathan Jones, and secondly, they appointed Nathan Jones.

Now I realise that this is, in fact, only one point. But I thought it was such an important one that it was worth mentioning twice. 

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Fitzhugh Fella

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I wonder if there has ever been a "100% the manager must go" result in a poll. There always seems to be a 10% residue resistant to change. Even when Rupert Lowe was overseeing our financial implosion into insolvency there was a gritty hardcore of blinkered few who continued to back him. Some people are very averse to "boat rocking" and will do anything to back the status quo. Fascinating stuff.

I have seen Adam B and Adam H say "better the devil you know" and "sticking is better than twisting" over the weekend but they have a horse in the race inasmuch they have built a relationship with the manager and a new broom would put them back to square one. Fair enough.

As much as I think RM's time is up I think he is no more to blame than SR whose well meaning but inept stewardship since taking over has been the root cause of where we find ourselves. When you look at neighbours Brighton and Bournemouth and how well their owners have recently done then Sports Republic's efforts look very amateur indeed.

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Sarisbury Saint

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4 hours ago, Colinjb said:

How exactly is it going to get worse then bottom of the league and playing a type of football that is horrible to watch and doesn't work? 

Even if changing the manager doesn't work, at least as a fan it will stop the season feeling futile and give us something more interesting in seeing how changing effects things. 

It would also bring hope, as right now, none exists. 

Nathan Jones is a good example of how much worse it can get.

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tdmickey3

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The below sums it up, blaming everyone but his ludicrous set up

The twat is not disappointed we conceded 2

 

Staying on the topic of goals - but for all the wrong reasons in Southampton's case. No team has scored less than them in the Premier League and this game showed exactly why.

Russell Martin's side had 72 per cent of the ball at Molineux - but this translated to just 0.60xG in front of goal.

In fact, despite having almost triple the amount of possession, Saints recorded just one more touch than their opponents in the penalty area.

It is a statistic which only highlights the serious problem plaguing Southampton and Martin is well aware of it.

"We should do more with the ball," he said. "To be in the final third as much as we were, I would expect us to have something to show for it. It is not good enough. We were made to pay for individual errors.

"We played really good football until we got there. There has to be more. The only thing I am disappointed with is that we did not create more."

Goals are the only thing that will keep them in the Premier League and without them, their fate could be decided relatively soon.

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Whitey Grandad

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5 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I wonder if there has ever been a "100% the manager must go" result in a poll. There always seems to be a 10% residue resistant to change. Even when Rupert Lowe was overseeing our financial implosion into insolvency there was a gritty hardcore of blinkered few who continued to back him. Some people are very averse to "boat rocking" and will do anything to back the status quo. Fascinating stuff.

I have seen Adam B and Adam H say "better the devil you know" and "sticking is better than twisting" over the weekend but they have a horse in the race inasmuch they have built a relationship with the manager and a new broom would put them back to square one. Fair enough.

As much as I think RM's time is up I think he is no more to blame than SR whose well meaning but inept stewardship since taking over has been the root cause of where we find ourselves. When you look at neighbours Brighton and Bournemouth and how well their owners have recently done then Sports Republic's efforts look very amateur indeed.

“And always keep a-hold of nurse. For fear of finding something worse”

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LuckyNumber7

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I like Russ, he gave us a really enjoyable season last year and probably my best day out as a Saints fan at Wembley. I also like stability and really wanted it to work out for him in the PL, but I've reluctantly voted yes, mainly because of our complete lack of attacking intent/threat in recent games.

That said, our problems are much bigger than the manager. We have the weakest squad in the PL and I really don't see anyone coming in and making much of a difference. So new guy comes in, and after another 10-15 games of crap results fans are calling for his head again, and the cycle repeats.

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Colinjb

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7 hours ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

Nathan Jones is a good example of how much worse it can get.

1 win in 7 compared to 1 win in 11.

On pure numbers. Nathan Jones is not worse then Russell Martin. 

Even including Martin's single draw, the stats are:

Martin: 0.36 points per game

Jones: 0.42 points per game

One conclusion could reasonably be that Martin is so bad that Nathan Jones would be an improvement. 

 

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Whitey Grandad

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2 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

I like Russ, he gave us a really enjoyable season last year and probably my best day out as a Saints fan at Wembley. I also like stability and really wanted it to work out for him in the PL, but I've reluctantly voted yes, mainly because of our complete lack of attacking intent/threat in recent games.

That said, our problems are much bigger than the manager. We have the weakest squad in the PL and I really don't see anyone coming in and making much of a difference. So new guy comes in, and after another 10-15 games of crap results fans are calling for his head again, and the cycle repeats.

This ridiculous style of play is also a large part of the problem. Get rid of that and there won’t be another 10 - 15 crap results.

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tdmickey3

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Just now, LuckyNumber7 said:

I disagree. Most of our players are Championship standard.

I disagree, whilst we don't have the best squad, it is just not being managed properly and the ludicrous style is easy to play against. 

A manager's job is to get the best out of the players not stick to a way that is obvious to everyone that it won't work, well apart from a few deluded fools

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Sheaf Saint

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19 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

I disagree. Most of our players are Championship standard.

Could say the same about Ipswich. But they went and won away at Spurs yesterday by employing a system that gets the best out of their players and makes life difficult for their opponents.

Our squad is limited, but IMO it is not as bad as this season's results and team performances suggest.

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37 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

I like Russ, he gave us a really enjoyable season last year and probably my best day out as a Saints fan at Wembley. I also like stability and really wanted it to work out for him in the PL, but I've reluctantly voted yes, mainly because of our complete lack of attacking intent/threat in recent games.

That said, our problems are much bigger than the manager. We have the weakest squad in the PL and I really don't see anyone coming in and making much of a difference. So new guy comes in, and after another 10-15 games of crap results fans are calling for his head again, and the cycle repeats.

Literally couldn't agree more. This mirrors my opinion.

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Tamesaint

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With great reluctance I have voted yes. I like Martin and when his style of football works it is very attractive. Unfortunately after 11 games I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't work in the Premier Leagye for a team with our resources. 

Who would replace him? Who would make those decisions? Unfortunately I have no confidence that they would make a good decision and things will not get much better. 

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2 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I've seen £12m quoted

Got to be less then relegation surely?

I don't see why it's up for debate, or why so many fans still back him. He's stubbornly sticking to a system that barely worked in the Championship, he's shown absolutely no sign of improvement, and doesn't seem to know how to resolve any of the glaringly obvious problems in how we play. We're on course for a record in how bad this season is going, it's absolutely insane that he's still here

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3 hours ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

I like Russ, he gave us a really enjoyable season last year and probably my best day out as a Saints fan at Wembley. I also like stability and really wanted it to work out for him in the PL, but I've reluctantly voted yes, mainly because of our complete lack of attacking intent/threat in recent games.

That said, our problems are much bigger than the manager. We have the weakest squad in the PL and I really don't see anyone coming in and making much of a difference. So new guy comes in, and after another 10-15 games of crap results fans are calling for his head again, and the cycle repeats.

Sums up my feelings exactly.

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Gingeletiss

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If it was going to happen, it would have by now. We are stuck with this idiot, it’s not the relegation that gets me (been there, done that), it’s the shitty football he is forcing upon us, it is dire, pedestrian, and like others have said, I cannot for the life of me, see where the next win will come from. SR have really fucked us.

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I don't see how we can go on like this for many more months, limping towards a record low points total with fans and players becoming increasingly demoralised. The longer we leave it, the harder it's going to be to find a replacement. Even Russell Martin himself would probably prefer to be paid off now, with his £12 mill stash, rather than later.

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24 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

I don't see how we can go on like this for many more months, limping towards a record low points total with fans and players becoming increasingly demoralised. The longer we leave it, the harder it's going to be to find a replacement. Even Russell Martin himself would probably prefer to be paid off now, with his £12 mill stash, rather than later.

The players will be pissed of that this clown is making them look terrible and in private will be saying it, any professional footballer with any pride will be looking for a way out asap

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1 minute ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

If Sport Republic and going to continue with him as manager they need to spend in the transfer window.

Push out the deadwood that he doesn’t want or isn’t interested in being here, trim the squad and bring in some talent. Players with muscle, fight, strength etc

Won`t make a jot of a difference because his stupid obsessive tactics wont work, nothing will change, he is a busted flush....  

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43 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

We're obviously not going to sack him then. The board though must be aware the fans' patience is wearing thin.

Run out of patience to be fair.  It’s not enjoyable any more.  It’s like the season we went down, each game is absolutely fucking demoralising.

Club are a bunch of cunts.

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4 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

With great reluctance I have voted yes. I like Martin and when his style of football works it is very attractive. Unfortunately after 11 games I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't work in the Premier Leagye for a team with our resources. 

Who would replace him? Who would make those decisions? Unfortunately I have no confidence that they would make a good decision and things will not get much better. 

Let's be honest here, the amount of attractive football we've played under Martin has been minimal - the vast majority of it has been tedious, boring stodge played at walking pace. There have been huge chunks of meaningless passing sideways and backwards - how often does the fare he serves up get the fans out of their seats? Who can't wait to get to St Marys for the next game - it's more a case of can't wait to get out of St Marys at the end of each game. It's a chore rather than a pleasure and most of the fans are sick to the teeth of it. Time for a change and an end to this failed experiment.

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18 minutes ago, saintant said:

Let's be honest here, the amount of attractive football we've played under Martin has been minimal - the vast majority of it has been tedious, boring stodge played at walking pace. There have been huge chunks of meaningless passing sideways and backwards - how often does the fare he serves up get the fans out of their seats? Who can't wait to get to St Marys for the next game - it's more a case of can't wait to get out of St Marys at the end of each game. It's a chore rather than a pleasure and most of the fans are sick to the teeth of it. Time for a change and an end to this failed experiment.

I wouldn't disagree this season but how about last year. 87 goals. 3rd highest scorers in the League. I was entertained and enjoyed going to St Marys. 

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Whitey Grandad

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14 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

I wouldn't disagree this season but how about last year. 87 goals. 3rd highest scorers in the League. I was entertained and enjoyed going to St Marys. 

Out of interest, how many of those 87 goals were at St. Mary's?

I missed a lot of games due to a long term domestic illness so perhaps I'm not the one to comment. The last game I attended before my enforced break was the loss to Leicester.

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12 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

I wouldn't disagree this season but how about last year. 87 goals. 3rd highest scorers in the League. I was entertained and enjoyed going to St Marys. 

Last season we played some lovely stuff in patches. That being said the seeds of this season were there to see. I was hoping Martin would build on last season and adapt to the higher level of intensity and quality of the Premier League but he hasn't.

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