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Should Russell Martin be moved on?  

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  1. 1. Should Russell Martin be moved on from being manager?

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egg

egg

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  On 10/11/2024 at 18:58, Sarisbury Saint said:

Because I can’t think of any manager that could keep us up this season wanting to come here. 

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That's a logic I don't get. The decision to keep him or sack him starts with asking whether he's successfully doing his job. He isn't. He's failing. He has to go. 

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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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Yup, needs to go.

Not sure who to get in to replace him though - I can't see it being anything but a foreign appointment as no-one anywhere near decent in the UK isn't/won't be interested.

Football Special

Football Special

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  On 10/11/2024 at 19:03, saintant said:

Maybe try to think a tiny bit harder.

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I actually think the way we have recruited for Martin's style and players who love him, I expect a new manager would take a while to get a reaction and if anything we'd get even worse initially (perhaps not results wise but concede more goals as players are weaned off walking football) 

Turkish

Turkish

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Short term knee jerk reaction from a load of people obsessed with only one type of “win”. If you analyse the data we are doing really brilliantly on many mectrics. Are we going to win the sport of soccerball? No, no one does.


Martins philosophy is close to delivering, there is so much love in the club, the possession and pass completion yesterday was unreal. There is so much good in our play that to change things now when we are so close to being a really brilliant team would be crazy.

 

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danjosaint

danjosaint

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  On 10/11/2024 at 19:41, Football Special said:

I actually think the way we have recruited for Martin's style and players who love him, I expect a new manager would take a while to get a reaction and if anything we'd get even worse initially (perhaps not results wise but concede more goals as players are weaned off walking football) 

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Yep Cornet, Fraser, BBD, Wood, Edwards, Suga, all well known for there possession based play attributes,  They've bought and loaned players trying to be clever, I've no problem with that as a team of our size needs to rely on a few gems but fuck our scouting and recruitment has been abysmal, Fernandes possibly being the only one. They are professional footballers if they are then needed to press, be more aggressive , taking the ball on the turn playing more forward facing then that's really not hard, fitting in with different style yeah will take a bit longer to perfect it. When you look at us compared to pretty much everyone else we look miles behind.  If a new manager had come in after Bournemouth game when he should've there's a decent chance we could've been sat here with another 6pts and at least in the mix . 

notnowcato

notnowcato

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I can’t see anyone coming here that would give us a realistic chance of staying up better than Martin, not that I think we will stay up or thought we would at the start of the season. 

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Lee On Solent Saint

Lee On Solent Saint

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  On 10/11/2024 at 18:16, Saint Gifford said:

Chopping and changing managers helps nobody, the manager the club or the players. 

You have to stick with a manager that shows he can develop, help improve, even move player positions for the benefit of club and player. 
 

Need to allow the manager to change, and work different styles of play against the particular opponents that they face that week. 
 

Work with DOF to identify what would fit a fluid changing style, but with a key ethos that is the cornerstone and heart of a winning flexible team that everyone buys into. 
 

We have Russell Martin and the DIC sorry DOF do that………………………………….


 

 

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Congratulations for the most deluded post of the year this season so far. 

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Dr Who?

Dr Who?

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Not unless there is a plan in place. Last time there was nothing up the owners sleeves and we got worse. I honestly do not think we have premier league quality in enough of the team for anyone to make this work. I like the passing game, but it is too laboured and not enough end product. I do not think we should be ripping up the blueprint and starting again! 

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Harry_SFC

Harry_SFC

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  On 10/11/2024 at 20:42, Dr Who? said:

Not unless there is a plan in place. Last time there was nothing up the owners sleeves and we got worse. I honestly do not think we have premier league quality in enough of the team for anyone to make this work. I like the passing game, but it is too laboured and not enough end product. I do not think we should be ripping up the blueprint and starting again! 

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Tbf they planned to hire Nathan Jones. Obviously not the case with Selles. 

Galway saint

Galway saint

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  On 10/11/2024 at 20:00, danjosaint said:

Yep Cornet, Fraser, BBD, Wood, Edwards, Suga, all well known for there possession based play attributes,  They've bought and loaned players trying to be clever, I've no problem with that as a team of our size needs to rely on a few gems but fuck our scouting and recruitment has been abysmal, Fernandes possibly being the only one. They are professional footballers if they are then needed to press, be more aggressive , taking the ball on the turn playing more forward facing then that's really not hard, fitting in with different style yeah will take a bit longer to perfect it. When you look at us compared to pretty much everyone else we look miles behind.  If a new manager had come in after Bournemouth game when he should've there's a decent chance we could've been sat here with another 6pts and at least in the mix . 

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We will be relegated regardless of who the manager is, but we have lost 9 of 11 games and there is no sign of any improvement. It’s clearly not going to click and the club is kidding itself if it thinks we are within touching distance of nirvana. It’s a flawed philosophy and we are just too easy to play against. 

Once we are all but relegated ( this could be before Xmas) morale will drop like a stone. We could conceivably lose 30 games + this season ! I can’t see how he survives that whatever great plans they have and this looks like it could be the worst season in our history. 

Agreed on Fernandes but our recruitment for some time now has been poor and we have wasted so much money 

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trousers

trousers

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  On 10/11/2024 at 20:28, Roger said:

Where’s the bloke who said he was getting sacked no matter what happens vs wolves?

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'Twas @stknowle (who, to be fair, qualified it after yesterday's game by saying it might not be straight away....)

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Dr Who?

Dr Who?

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  On 10/11/2024 at 20:52, Harry_SFC said:

Tbf they planned to hire Nathan Jones. Obviously not the case with Selles. 

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Yes, but it was a terrible decision, and not an improvement for the management team. We could see this. We are talking about not having an experienced premier league manager, and the board have form! 

lhammondo

lhammondo

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  On 10/11/2024 at 18:48, saintant said:

If there aren't better options available who would come here there is something seriously wrong in football. 

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Being available and wanting to re-teach a cretinous team what a goal is are two very different things though.

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Roger

Roger

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  On 10/11/2024 at 18:42, stknowle said:

I agree with this the only hope is to get someone in with actual football knowledge and managerial ability to manage our manager.

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Hang on you said he’d be gone after wolves has that changed now? 

Sarisbury Saint

Sarisbury Saint

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  On 10/11/2024 at 19:06, egg said:

That's a logic I don't get. The decision to keep him or sack him starts with asking whether he's successfully doing his job. He isn't. He's failing. He has to go. 

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Prevention is better than cure. The problem needs to be addressed from the top before we experiment with a manager again.

Guest

Guest

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  On 10/11/2024 at 20:28, Roger said:

Where’s the bloke who said he was getting sacked no matter what happens vs wolves?

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It’s almost as if they were talking a load of crap, like most on here and social media.

Charlie Wayman

Charlie Wayman

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  On 10/11/2024 at 19:41, Football Special said:

I actually think the way we have recruited for Martin's style and players who love him, I expect a new manager would take a while to get a reaction and if anything we'd get even worse initially (perhaps not results wise but concede more goals as players are weaned off walking football) 

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That's the problem in a nutshell. He is too close to the players to manage them effectively. The 'mates' culture doesn't work because it breeds laziness and ultimately contempt.

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egg

egg

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  On 10/11/2024 at 21:34, Sarisbury Saint said:

Prevention is better than cure. The problem needs to be addressed from the top before we experiment with a manager again.

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The top won't sack itself - Rasmus is an owner. Regardless, we have a failing manager, and to address that imo. 

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Sarisbury Saint

Sarisbury Saint

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  On 10/11/2024 at 19:06, egg said:

That's a logic I don't get. The decision to keep him or sack him starts with asking whether he's successfully doing his job. He isn't. He's failing. He has to go. 

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As I’ve posted on another thread.
it’s pointless changing the manager. Those that think things will get better with a new manager will be disappointed.

Once Ralph left, we expected a step up in manager and look what happened. Expect the same again if RM is sacked .

The problem comes from higher up and there’s nothing we can do about it.

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m4

m4

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If you look at all the teams which we should be comparing ourselves with, they all play direct/counter attack football and it works. We are absolutely not good enough to play how martin wants us to play and he is never going to change. Get someone in who will play to our strengths, like the rest of the league does.

 

Sorry Russell, thank you for the amazing day at Wembley, but it's time to go mate.

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Colinjb

Colinjb

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  On 11/11/2024 at 06:31, Sarisbury Saint said:

 

As I’ve posted on another thread.
it’s pointless changing the manager. Those that think things will get better with a new manager will be disappointed.

Once Ralph left, we expected a step up in manager and look what happened. Expect the same again if RM is sacked .

The problem comes from higher up and there’s nothing we can do about it.

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How exactly is it going to get worse then bottom of the league and playing a type of football that is horrible to watch and doesn't work? 

Even if changing the manager doesn't work, at least as a fan it will stop the season feeling futile and give us something more interesting in seeing how changing effects things. 

It would also bring hope, as right now, none exists. 

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Harry_SFC

Harry_SFC

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  On 11/11/2024 at 07:01, Colinjb said:

How exactly is it going to get worse then bottom of the league and playing a type of football that is horrible to watch and doesn't work? 

Even if changing the manager doesn't work, at least as a fan it will stop the season feeling futile and give us something more interesting in seeing how changing effects things. 

It would also bring hope, as right now, none exists. 

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Exactly. I said on another thread the other day that it's different from when we sacked Ralph - although things were heading in the wrong direction we were still outside the bottom 3. This time around we are rock bottom of the league having made the worst start in our history. It can't get any worse. 

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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  On 11/11/2024 at 06:31, Sarisbury Saint said:

 

As I’ve posted on another thread.
it’s pointless changing the manager. Those that think things will get better with a new manager will be disappointed.

Once Ralph left, we expected a step up in manager and look what happened. Expect the same again if RM is sacked .

The problem comes from higher up and there’s nothing we can do about it.

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You can - do something else with your weekends. Worked under Branfoot, got rid of Lowe with help from Leon Crouch. They can be as clever and innovative in how they spin things as they like when the club loses 0-2 to Plymouth in front of a gate of 14k 08/09 style with a boycott going on.

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Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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  On 10/11/2024 at 21:57, egg said:

The top won't sack itself - Rasmus is an owner. Regardless, we have a failing manager, and to address that imo. 

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No, he isn't...

Southampton Football Club Ltd - Has one 'person' with significant control, so 100% of the shares and therefore full voting rights, that is :

St Mary's Football Group Limited - which has 1 'person' with significant control, that is :

SPORT REPUBLIC UK LTD - which has 1 'person' with significant control, that is :

Sport Republic Holding Ltd - that has one person with significant control which is Dragan Solak, who has the right to appoint and remove directors.

Whilst Rasmus and Henrik are board members of all the other companies, Dragan effectively has the final say.

Whether he would use it or not is another thing...

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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  On 11/11/2024 at 08:30, Osvaldorama said:

22 Pompey fans on the board. Fair play 

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If the internet were a thing in 92-94, you’d still have had a small minority supporting Branfoot. There were people standing on the Milton sneering ‘who are you going to replace him with then?’ even when 90-95% of us were protesting volubly. 

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 11/11/2024 at 08:36, Gloucester Saint said:

If the internet were a thing in 92-94, you’d still have had a small minority supporting Branfoot. There were people standing on the Milton sneering ‘who are you going to replace him with then?’ even when 90-95% of us were protesting volubly. 

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Alan Ball and the greatest MLT era in our history no thank you very much because 'chopping and changing never works'.

Branfoot should have been given a 10 year contract IMO. He would have turned into Alex Ferguson for sure.

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Morse

Morse

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We need another poll titled 'Should Rasmus Ankerson be moved on' 

(NB: before anyone claims he can't be as he's on the board etc, he can. Dragan Solak put in most if not all the equity, and with it has the final say on pretty much everything if he chooses) 

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 11/11/2024 at 06:31, Sarisbury Saint said:

 

As I’ve posted on another thread.
it’s pointless changing the manager. Those that think things will get better with a new manager will be disappointed.

Once Ralph left, we expected a step up in manager and look what happened. Expect the same again if RM is sacked .

The problem comes from higher up and there’s nothing we can do about it.

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I don’t expect results to improve immediately but I want to get rid of this bore fest that we have to sit through every fortnight. This way of playing was never going to work at this level and we all knew it. With the best players in the world it would still be boring.

Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 11/11/2024 at 08:39, CB Fry said:

Alan Ball and the greatest MLT era in our history no thank you very much because 'chopping and changing never works'.

Branfoot should have been given a 10 year contract IMO. He would have turned into Alex Ferguson for sure.

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By the way, where is Branfoot these days?

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