AlexLaw76 Posted Sunday at 16:19 Share Posted Sunday at 16:19 (edited) Simple question. He ain’t changing, he is wedded to this system but to some, a nice guy. should he be moved on from the club? Edited Sunday at 16:23 by AlexLaw76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Sunday at 16:23 Share Posted Sunday at 16:23 3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Simple question. He ain’t changing, he is wedded to this system but to some, a nice guy. should he be moved on from the club? Simple answer. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted Sunday at 16:25 Share Posted Sunday at 16:25 Should have been gone weeks ago. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted Sunday at 16:27 Share Posted Sunday at 16:27 Yes, should have been sacked months ago 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted Sunday at 16:31 Share Posted Sunday at 16:31 Should do, doesn’t mean he will. Early indications suggest his job is safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted Sunday at 16:34 Share Posted Sunday at 16:34 Of course he should go but he's not going to. The "chopping and changing managers never ever works" brigade on here are going to get their dream. We won't chop and change so lets see how fantastically successful that will be. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisi1992 Posted Sunday at 16:36 Share Posted Sunday at 16:36 (edited) Yes. Hes had his chance. I and probably the majority of the fan base have run out of patience with him now. He should of been sacked after the Leicester game imo. Edited Monday at 05:14 by sisi1992 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Special Posted Sunday at 16:39 Share Posted Sunday at 16:39 The board don't back themselves to be able to appoint a good replacement so are going to stick with Martin as he got us promotion , saves them having to persuade someone else to take the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Special Posted Sunday at 16:40 Share Posted Sunday at 16:40 3 minutes ago, sisi1992 said: Yes. Hes had his chance. I and probably the majoirty of the fan base have run out of patience with him now. He should of been sacked after the Leicester game imo. Agree. Been enough games to prove his style of football in never going to work at this level 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted Sunday at 16:41 Share Posted Sunday at 16:41 He has shown no adaptability or willingness to change despite his way not working. We need someone with more than one idea. I'd go for Moyes if he wanted it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted Sunday at 16:46 Share Posted Sunday at 16:46 This could be the most conclusive poll ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhammondo Posted Sunday at 16:48 Share Posted Sunday at 16:48 He should go if there's a better option available; Moyes or Potter would be very good, but zero chance they'll come here with the squad the'd have to work with. If he goes, expect an equally underwhelming appointment as when he arrived (yes, i've officially lost all hope) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted Sunday at 16:50 Share Posted Sunday at 16:50 Need you ask? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted Sunday at 16:50 Share Posted Sunday at 16:50 2 minutes ago, The Kraken said: This could be the most conclusive poll ever. He still has support from a few on here mostly as they don't trust SR to appoint a suitable replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted Sunday at 16:51 Share Posted Sunday at 16:51 I’m waiting for some nutter to vote ‘no’ 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted Sunday at 16:52 Share Posted Sunday at 16:52 1 minute ago, Mr X said: He still has support from a few on here mostly as they don't trust SR to appoint a suitable replacement I don't trust them either, doesn't mean I back Martin. I'd have anyone in charge over him at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted Sunday at 16:53 Share Posted Sunday at 16:53 1 minute ago, Mr X said: He still has support from a few on here mostly as they don't trust SR to appoint a suitable replacement He doesn’t have my support and I wouldn’t trust SR to organise a piss up in a brewery 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted Sunday at 16:58 Share Posted Sunday at 16:58 1 minute ago, Harry_SFC said: I don't trust them either, doesn't mean I back Martin. I'd have anyone in charge over him at the moment. Agreed the man has to go he hasn't been given great tools to work with striker wise for sure but at the end of the day he should be getting a better tune out of them and he dam well could if he wasn't so stubborn and we should have more than four points that's abysmal. He does himself no favours with a complete inability to see the faults in his own philosophy and get defensive and stupid to anyone that dare criticise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Special Posted Sunday at 17:00 Share Posted Sunday at 17:00 8 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said: I’m waiting for some nutter to vote ‘no’ 😂 I've not voted no but would say our problems run deeper than the manager 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die Mannyschaft Posted Sunday at 17:24 Share Posted Sunday at 17:24 Realistically he is not going to go as, a) there isn't anyone we can afford Potter, Moyes far to expensive, b) new manager won't play possession football and our players would tgen need to change style, c) we won't by any players in Jan window. The owners will want some dosh from investment and prem money provides that. December is too late for new manager and if we don't get 6-8 points soon we won't get out botyon 3 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The very right reverend Posted Sunday at 17:33 Share Posted Sunday at 17:33 I didn't want him at the start of the season, we were lucky to get promoted under him last season, that was the 3rd best squad in the championship and we made it incredibly hard for ourselves and that was down to him and his ego. Why do we employ such useless egotistical charlatans, this means to me or shows we've a problem at the club that runs far far deeper than this chancer. I'd take Ian Branfoot over this total and utter clown. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted Sunday at 17:34 Share Posted Sunday at 17:34 (edited) 2 hours ago, bangkoksaint said: I’m waiting for some nutter to vote ‘no’ 😂 5 have so far🤷♂️ now 9…… Gio Martin has lots of log ins I guess Edited Sunday at 18:54 by tdmickey3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted Sunday at 17:36 Share Posted Sunday at 17:36 No fence sitting this time from the "give it 10 games" brigade please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted Sunday at 17:36 Share Posted Sunday at 17:36 Cool new thread! Thank goodness there's now somewhere where thoughts on the manager can finally be shared, couldn't see any discussion of him anywhere else, especially not the 251 pages of the Russell Martin thread. 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madge Posted Sunday at 17:43 Share Posted Sunday at 17:43 Absobloodylutely… Ipswich go to spurs and win!!! We’re so not capable of doing that. I’m so bored of this football. Crab football.. it’s like having a team full of Jim magiltons. The players surely can’t be happy playing with the shackles on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted Sunday at 17:50 Share Posted Sunday at 17:50 14 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said: 5 have so far🤷♂️ Yes…..it’s quite concerning!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted Sunday at 17:52 Share Posted Sunday at 17:52 I’ve voted Yes even though it’s just a plaintive cry if the reality is that he CAN’T be moved on because the cost would cause us to breach the Profit and Sustainability Rules, because of the understandable lack of decent candidates willing to pick up the poisoned chalice we’ve become, or because (like many on here) they fear that we’re doomed regardless of whether he stays or goes. If that’s the case our only realistic option may be to hire someone with football knowledge and a powerful-enough personality to supervise him. There are pacy, wide players in the squad who can add the fast-break dimensions we need, but Martin refuses to play them. They may be short of PL standard but the important thing is that they offer us the early out-ball and the through-the channels target we need in order to break out of our self-created quicksand and get an earlier delivery into the box. AA contributed nothing out-wide yesterday, and playing BBD out there was ludicrous. I can’t imagine that Martin’s contract gives him unfettered control over team affairs regardless of his performance. He has to report to someone, and that “someone” is also doing a really shitty job right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted Sunday at 17:53 Share Posted Sunday at 17:53 Should have gone months and months ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted Sunday at 18:12 Share Posted Sunday at 18:12 33 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: Cool new thread! Thank goodness there's now somewhere where thoughts on the manager can finally be shared, couldn't see any discussion of him anywhere else, especially not the 251 pages of the Russell Martin thread. In fairness, a whole new thread is the only way to conduct an up to date poll and get a current snapshot of the balance of people's thinking. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsBarry74 Posted Sunday at 18:13 Share Posted Sunday at 18:13 1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said: Yes, should have been sacked months ago Should have been sacked years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted Sunday at 18:14 Share Posted Sunday at 18:14 We can't move him on because PSR something something, no money, flat broke something something, haven't got a pot to piss in something something. We're stuck with him for the next four years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalCommunist Posted Sunday at 18:15 Share Posted Sunday at 18:15 Quote It’s not about getting relegated. It’s about his tactics doing a irredeemable harm to our (very few) promising young players. We need to start thinking about the next 18 months. We need to start thinking about the core of this team. They need organisation and consistency. Russell Martin’s dogmatic unwavering approach is harmful. And add to that it’s fucking boring to watch. Nice bloke-but I’d like a real manager in charge now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Gifford Posted Sunday at 18:16 Share Posted Sunday at 18:16 Chopping and changing managers helps nobody, the manager the club or the players. You have to stick with a manager that shows he can develop, help improve, even move player positions for the benefit of club and player. Need to allow the manager to change, and work different styles of play against the particular opponents that they face that week. Work with DOF to identify what would fit a fluid changing style, but with a key ethos that is the cornerstone and heart of a winning flexible team that everyone buys into. We have Russell Martin and the DIC sorry DOF do that…………………………………. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted Sunday at 18:17 Share Posted Sunday at 18:17 Out of his depth and too stubborn to adapt. It’s a shame but it is what it is ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juneau Posted Sunday at 18:22 Share Posted Sunday at 18:22 I miss the Cortese days where we’d have the balls to sack Adkins (which was met with anger at the time) but ended up representing strong leadership which pushed the club forward with a well thought out replacement. I feel like he needs to go but we’re in a different place now… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted Sunday at 18:24 Share Posted Sunday at 18:24 He's a single minded, stubborn fool wedded to his arrogant dogma. The easiest 'yes' i've ever clicked on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted Sunday at 18:24 Share Posted Sunday at 18:24 6 minutes ago, Saint Gifford said: Chopping and changing managers helps nobody, the manager the club or the players. You have to stick with a manager that shows he can develop, help improve, even move player positions for the benefit of club and player. Need to allow the manager to change, and work different styles of play against the particular opponents that they face that week. Work with DOF to identify what would fit a fluid changing style, but with a key ethos that is the cornerstone and heart of a winning flexible team that everyone buys into. We have Russell Martin and the DIC sorry DOF do that…………………………………. We only need to change this once. This manager refuses to change his style. He’s been found out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted Sunday at 18:30 Share Posted Sunday at 18:30 Another way must be, that SR tells him to change his approach to the game, if he doesn’t like that, he can resign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemp Posted Sunday at 18:31 Share Posted Sunday at 18:31 If overseeing the utter shambles we have become , combined with our achievment of being statistically the worst team across all four divisions with the most pointless and boring style of football imaginable isnt enough for him to be relieved of his duties then i dont know what is. Its a yes from me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarisbury Saint Posted Sunday at 18:32 Share Posted Sunday at 18:32 1 hour ago, bangkoksaint said: I’m waiting for some nutter to vote ‘no’ 😂 Happy to oblige. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted Sunday at 18:40 Author Share Posted Sunday at 18:40 1 hour ago, Midfield_General said: Cool new thread! Thank goodness there's now somewhere where thoughts on the manager can finally be shared, couldn't see any discussion of him anywhere else, especially not the 251 pages of the Russell Martin thread. you are aware this is a poll??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted Sunday at 18:42 Share Posted Sunday at 18:42 46 minutes ago, CanadaSaint said: I If that’s the case our only realistic option may be to hire someone with football knowledge and a powerful-enough personality to supervise him. There are pacy, wide players in the squad who can add the fast-break dimensions we need, but Martin refuses to play them. They may be short of PL standard but the important thing is that they offer us the early out-ball and the through-the channels target we need in order to break out of our self-created quicksand and get an earlier delivery into the box. AA contributed nothing out-wide yesterday, and playing BBD out there was ludicrous. I can’t imagine that Martin’s contract gives him unfettered control over team affairs regardless of his performance. He has to report to someone, and that “someone” is also doing a really shitty job right now. I agree with this the only hope is to get someone in with actual football knowledge and managerial ability to manage our manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Sunday at 18:48 Share Posted Sunday at 18:48 1 hour ago, lhammondo said: He should go if there's a better option available; Moyes or Potter would be very good, but zero chance they'll come here with the squad the'd have to work with. If he goes, expect an equally underwhelming appointment as when he arrived (yes, i've officially lost all hope) If there aren't better options available who would come here there is something seriously wrong in football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted Sunday at 18:48 Share Posted Sunday at 18:48 It currently stands at 99-yes and 9-no. 999 - sums up where the club and SR is at. 5 minutes ago, stknowle said: I agree with this the only hope is to get someone in with actual football knowledge and managerial ability to manage our manager. Might solve the financial barrier as Russell will hate that and walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Sunday at 18:51 Share Posted Sunday at 18:51 33 minutes ago, Saint Gifford said: Chopping and changing managers helps nobody, the manager the club or the players. You have to stick with a manager that shows he can develop, help improve, even move player positions for the benefit of club and player. Need to allow the manager to change, and work different styles of play against the particular opponents that they face that week. Work with DOF to identify what would fit a fluid changing style, but with a key ethos that is the cornerstone and heart of a winning flexible team that everyone buys into. We have Russell Martin and the DIC sorry DOF do that…………………………………. Let me know when we get one and I'm sure we'll stick with him. For now we have a guy in charge hell bent on wrecking our club and pissing off most of the supporters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted Sunday at 18:52 Share Posted Sunday at 18:52 19 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said: Happy to oblige. Can you explain why you think this fiasco should continue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Sunday at 18:57 Share Posted Sunday at 18:57 1 hour ago, die Mannyschaft said: Realistically he is not going to go as, a) there isn't anyone we can afford Potter, Moyes far to expensive, b) new manager won't play possession football and our players would tgen need to change style, c) we won't by any players in Jan window. The owners will want some dosh from investment and prem money provides that. December is too late for new manager and if we don't get 6-8 points soon we won't get out botyon 3 anyway. Yeah, they'd have to go back to playing normal football rather than having the crap coached out of them by Russell Pep Lite Fucking Martin and his bunch of lapdog assistants. I'm pretty convinced they'd find it easy and very refreshing to go out and enjoy expressing themselves free from the 'to me, to you, backwards sideways, walking football straitjacket' that Martin insists on wrapping them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarisbury Saint Posted Sunday at 18:58 Share Posted Sunday at 18:58 3 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said: Can you explain why you think this fiasco should continue? Because I can’t think of any manager that could keep us up this season wanting to come here. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted Sunday at 19:01 Share Posted Sunday at 19:01 43 minutes ago, SaintsBarry74 said: Should have been sacked years ago. I'll see your "Should have been sacked years ago" and raise you "Shouldn't have been hired in the first place"! For many of us it was clear he was an appalling choice even before he started. Look at the comments at the beginning of the Russell Martin Thread: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted Sunday at 19:01 Share Posted Sunday at 19:01 Just now, Sarisbury Saint said: Because I can’t think of any manager that could keep us up this season wanting to come here. Is that a good reason then? It’s like banging you head on the wall and despite It hurting you carry on while wondering why it continues to hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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