Wolves 2-0 Saints - Match Thread

[saintant]

1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

I don’t think they believed we would get promoted at the first go for a minute. I think that’s knocked them off their plan which was rebuild in the Championship then come back stronger. So going up meant they had to spend money and there’s a fair chance a fair few of those signings were lined up if we were in the Championship, ie - Wood, Edwards, Bereton-Diaz (probably), Sugawara, Fraser, Lallana (based on him being at the play-off final as a guest of the club). 
 

This season they’ll view as a financial bonus given parachute payments are re-set.

So I think they’ll stick with RM as they see him as the man who can build a team in the Championship and get us back up with a strong squad.

If RM continues on the current trajectory there is no way the fans will accept him continuing and being here next season. Can you imagine the gathering outcry week after week as we keep losing!

[beatlesaint]

5 minutes ago, saintant said:

If RM continues on the current trajectory there is no way the fans will accept him continuing and being here next season. Can you imagine the gathering outcry week after week as we keep losing!

Oh I agree, I just think that’s their thinking. 

[Andy Hill]

VAR is so inconsistent. But it should not detract from the fact that we are so pedestrian to watch. I fear that relegation is a certainty now and season tickets sales will plummet if this style of football carries on. Watching the local U10s is much more exciting/rewarding.

[a1ex2001]

10 minutes ago, saintant said:

If RM continues on the current trajectory there is no way the fans will accept him continuing and being here next season. Can you imagine the gathering outcry week after week as we keep losing!

Exactly, we are currently well on course to break Derby's record which frankly is so low I thought it would never be beaten the idea of us going down this limply and him keeping his job is utterly untenable. 

[BotleySaint]

With Liverpool, Brighton, Chelsea, Villa and Spurs up next.. Hard to see many more points coming our way. Suspect we'll break the Derby record as well as being the fastest or earliest team to be relegated in Prem history. Still time to break that 9-0 record to.. 

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

Exactly, we are currently well on course to break Derby's record which frankly is so low I thought it would never be beaten the idea of us going down this limply and him keeping his job is utterly untenable. 

But we do get another premier league record so every cloud and all that 

[LGTL]

Had a look at our remaining fixtures and I make it 6 games where we might have half a chance to get past Derby’s point record. Few of those are optimistic too. We’re losing all the rest comfortably. Happy Saturday all. 

[a1ex2001]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

But we do get another premier league record so every cloud and all that 

I’m looking forward to Yan’s huge trophy for most touches in history by a centre back, hope he stays fit it is such a big deal!

[LeBizzier69]

14 minutes ago, Andy Hill said:

VAR is so inconsistent. But it should not detract from the fact that we are so pedestrian to watch. I fear that relegation is a certainty now and season tickets sales will plummet if his style of football carries on. Watching the local U10s is much more exciting/rewarding.

Anyone flaky enough to not renew a season ticket based on style of football at any one time, is no great loss to the fan base. In fact, if it removes the bloke sitting behind you moaning for 90 minutes, then every cloud and all that.

[Charlie Wayman]

This was beyond frustrating, we were clearly the better side for 35mins so how on earth did we contrive to lose the match?

Whatever Martin changes tactically the end result is always the same. Something is broken and he really has not got a clue as to how to fix it.

Most fans have run out of patience now surely? Time for the P45 on his desk Monday morning, Announcement tomorrow?

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

I’m looking forward to Yan’s huge trophy for most touches in history by a centre back, hope he stays fit it is such a big deal!

25th May, Arsenal at home last game of season, we’d been relegated by February but the Northam wall all stood arms outstretched giving it large “top of the poession league, we’re having a laff, top of the possession league, we’re having a laff”

[Football Special]

8 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Had a look at our remaining fixtures and I make it 6 games where we might have half a chance to get past Derby’s point record. Few of those are optimistic too. We’re losing all the rest comfortably. Happy Saturday all. 

There's always the relegation bounce, often seen once a teams relegation is confirmed they start playing with the pressure off and pull off a couple of surprise results 

[Charlie Wayman]

2 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

Anyone flaky enough to not renew a season ticket based on style of football at any one time, is no great loss to the fan base. In fact, if it removes the bloke sitting behind you moaning for 90 minutes, then every cloud and all that.

I gave up my season ticket this season precisely because there was a moany bloke on either side of me last year. They drove me crazy week after week to the extent that I hoped they wouldn't turn up just to give my ears and brain a break! Unfortunately it wasn't the moany blokes that left.

No doubt they're having a field day this season.

[Jack]

1 minute ago, Charlie Wayman said:

I gave up my season ticket this season precisely because there was a moany bloke on either side of me last year. They drove me crazy week after week to the extent that I hoped they wouldn't turn up just to give my ears and brain a break! Unfortunately it wasn't the moany blokes that left.

No doubt they're having a field day this season.

If you paid to put yourself through this dross every week I’m sure you’d be moaning as well 

[Harry_SFC]

5 minutes ago, Jack said:

If you paid to put yourself through this dross every week I’m sure you’d be moaning as well 

I certainly wouldn't begrudge anyone having a moan watching this anti football. 

[Saint Billy]

As the bed wetter labellers have probably gone into hiding can I just say without much fear of reprisal, after a long catalogue of managerial failures, RM is now taking us to new undiscovered depths of manager incompetence by creating a team that can pass the ball slowly up the field and then slowly back and then accurately pass it to the opposition who slam it in the back of net. 

Embarrassed to be a saints supporter at the moment.

[Saint Pete]

11 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

This was beyond frustrating, we were clearly the better side for 35mins so how on earth did we contrive to lose the match?

Whatever Martin changes tactically the end result is always the same. Something is broken and he really has not got a clue as to how to fix it.

Most fans have run out of patience now surely? Time for the P45 on his desk Monday morning, Announcement tomorrow?

The thing is, you can live with a couple of games of hard luck stories of "we had loads of possession, they had very few chances but somehow they won", but it's the same thing over and over now and Martin clearly doesn't have an answer other than continue doing what we're doing and hope something somehow changes, hope rather than pro-active expectation. We are ineffective going forward but continue to do the same things every game.

The club have to act now, otherwise it will be pointless when they eventually do as will be too late. Change of tack needed, hope someone at the club has the balls to recognise that now.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

On another note, every time TP comes on for his minor cameo, he seems to get stuck in.

At the end of the game today our best chance came when Ramsdale said 'fuck it' and hoofed it up to TP who challenged for the ball and it bounced off his back almost in to the path of BBD. He also got his head to a corner. OK, him and Archer up front aren't going to set the world alight but I really think they are our best option up front. AA once again proved he's not good enough.

[Cabrone]

With the games coming up that looks to be that.

Even if he goes on Monday it may well be too late now.

[East Kent Saint]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cm2mz4k48wno

Red and White stripey shirts as well 🙂

[Suhari]

Watched the first half and bits of the second, along with a couple of Italian buddies.

They were laughing at our ponderous, possession approach. As was I. Although I thought we did try to play forward a little quicker than in the past, they weren't convinced. Said we're fucking shit. And boring.

Can't help but agree.

We have to make a change. Get RM out. We're absolutely relegated if we don't. We still have a small chance to stay up if we bring in a change-merchant like Poch or Ralph. I'm not optimistic.

In more positive news: the girls in Nana, and in particular Red Dragon gogo, were fucking incredible. Holy-moly. And wow. That's a hell of a way to make up for a disappointing loss.

[a1ex2001]

26 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cm2mz4k48wno

Red and White stripey shirts as well 🙂

Their possession stats are so weak though we'd easily beat them on the only stat that matters, we even stuck 63% on them in their own backyard!

Edited November 9 by a1ex2001

[Forester]

Just back.  Incidentally that ranks as one of the most subdued away support atmospheres I have ever experienced, and I have watched most away games through both Premier League relegations and all the way down to League One.  Almost as if our fan base has given up.

Turning to the on field stuff, after a mindless goal to concede I thought we looked good, creative and positive first half.  Then Martin changes it, we lose our back three shape that has made us harder to score against, and simultaneously looked less creative.  We went from controlling the game to looking hapless.

I said after the Bournemouth game he should have gone, he should not have been entrusted with these three key games against Leicester, Everton and Wolves which were crucial, and we have emerged with just three points.  We now have blown winnable, or at least drawable, games against Forest, Brentford, Leicester, Bournemouth and Wolves, and dropped two points against Ipswich.

 

Edited November 9 by Forester

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

32 minutes ago, Cabrone said:

With the games coming up that looks to be that.

Even if he goes on Monday it may well be too late now.

It may be too late but there are some seriously shitty teams at the bottom of the league. Wolves were awful today. There is still an outside chance we can sing that Great Escape music again but it won't be with RM at the helm. Staying in the premier league is worth at least £100m. I have zero confidence that SR are capable of finding a Poch or a Ralph but surely they realise they have to do something.

[Challenger]

2 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

Exactly, we are currently well on course to break Derby's record which frankly is so low I thought it would never be beaten the idea of us going down this limply and him keeping his job is utterly untenable. 

To most normal owners yes, but ours are a bit special.

[OttawaSaint]

1 hour ago, Suhari said:

Watched the first half and bits of the second, along with a couple of Italian buddies.

They were laughing at our ponderous, possession approach. As was I. Although I thought we did try to play forward a little quicker than in the past, they weren't convinced. Said we're fucking shit. And boring.

Can't help but agree.

We have to make a change. Get RM out. We're absolutely relegated if we don't. We still have a small chance to stay up if we bring in a change-merchant like Poch or Ralph. I'm not optimistic.

In more positive news: the girls in Nana, and in particular Red Dragon gogo, were fucking incredible. Holy-moly. And wow. That's a hell of a way to make up for a disappointing loss.

Wow, if Italians are finding Saints slow and ponderous then we must be really slow and ponderous!

[Saint Pete]

Just watched Match of the day and that VAR call to disallow our goal is possibly the most ridiculous decision I have seen and that's saying something with VAR. If anything, a foul our way not theirs, how they can decide to overturn the refs call for that I do not know. Some sympathy at least for Martin on that. And it definitely should have been a free kick to us in the build up to the 2nd goal, even the MOTD pundits agreed that. Doesn't change my opinion that Martin needs to go, but we were badly done to on the decisions today.

[Whitey Grandad]

31 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

Wow, if Italians are finding Saints slow and ponderous then we must be really slow and ponderous!

That’s because we’re slow and ponderous.

[OttawaSaint]

1 minute ago, Saint Pete said:

Just watched Match of the day and that VAR call to disallow our goal is possibly the most ridiculous decision I have seen and that's saying something with VAR. If anything, a foul our way not theirs, how they can decide to overturn the refs call for that I do not know. Some sympathy at least for Martin on that. And it definitely should have been a free kick to us in the build up to the 2nd goal, even the MOTD pundits agreed that. Doesn't change my opinion that Martin needs to go, but we were badly done to on the decisions today.

It needs to be, hey Ref can you take another look just in case. Then they can decide yes or no if they change their call. 

At the moment they are essentially saying, you were wrong, go have a look and change your call now!

Pointless them even going to the monitor. They daren't argue with the VAR refs.

[Whitey Grandad]

VAR is shit. But a lot of us have been saying that for a long while.

[trousers]

7 minutes ago, Saint Pete said:

Just watched Match of the day and that VAR call to disallow our goal is possibly the most ridiculous decision I have seen and that's saying something with VAR. If anything, a foul our way not theirs, how they can decide to overturn the refs call for that I do not know. Some sympathy at least for Martin on that. And it definitely should have been a free kick to us in the build up to the 2nd goal, even the MOTD pundits agreed that. Doesn't change my opinion that Martin needs to go, but we were badly done to on the decisions today.

Indeed. Would love to hear the audio recording of what was said. Incompetent buffoons.

[John Boy Saint]

Just now, trousers said:

Indeed. Would love to hear the audio recording of what was said. Incompetent buffoons.

Hey don’t worry Webby will be on the phone again to Saints come Wednesday apologising for another inept performance against us by his charges.

[Viking Saint]

5 hours ago, madge said:

I just think a manager with a different playing style or the ability to change a style just gives us more of a chance… Nigel Adkins had more football nouse than Martin.. 

 

What's Nige up to these days....???

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 minutes ago, Viking Saint said:

What's Nige up to these days....???

17th in League 2

[Saint Gifford]

12 minutes ago, Saint Pete said:

Just watched Match of the day and that VAR call to disallow our goal is possibly the most ridiculous decision I have seen and that's saying something with VAR. If anything, a foul our way not theirs, how they can decide to overturn the refs call for that I do not know. Some sympathy at least for Martin on that. And it definitely should have been a free kick to us in the build up to the 2nd goal, even the MOTD pundits agreed that. Doesn't change my opinion that Martin needs to go, but we were badly done to on the decisions today.

Beat me to it. The football gods were not looking down on us today. That goal should have stood and possibly, just possibly changed the game. 

We still cannot string a single forward pass into space for a forward player to touch once and ping a ball at the back of the net. 

It’s called there is the run from my attacking player, let’s just put the ball a few yards in front for him to run onto. 

Or play u8’s passing drills. 
 

 

 

 

[Sarnia Cherie]

5 minutes ago, Viking Saint said:

What's Nige up to these days....???

Tranmere, I think.

[6ft8saint]

5 hours ago, LeBizzier69 said:

Anyone flaky enough to not renew a season ticket based on style of football at any one time, is no great loss to the fan base. In fact, if it removes the bloke sitting behind you moaning for 90 minutes, then every cloud and all that.

How about you pick up the cost for everyone else too. Massive bottom of a bell springs to mind.

[austsaint]

5 hours ago, Saint Billy said:

As the bed wetter labellers have probably gone into hiding can I just say without much fear of reprisal, after a long catalogue of managerial failures, RM is now taking us to new undiscovered depths of manager incompetence by creating a team that can pass the ball slowly up the field and then slowly back and then accurately pass it to the opposition who slam it in the back of net. 

Embarrassed to be a saints supporter at the moment.

And yet it seems he keeps his job, no matter what.  The thing I found baffling about yesterday’s disappointment was the way the team was set up.   Against the bottom side, a side which had conceded more goals than any other RM plays five at the back and deploys Manning as a hybrid winger, AA as the other wide player and Archer isolated up front.   This left the impressive Fernandes with a bit of help from the ageing Lallana as the only creative players …little wonder there was such little threat on the Wolves goal.   

[benjii]

4 hours ago, Saint Pete said:

Just watched Match of the day and that VAR call to disallow our goal is possibly the most ridiculous decision I have seen and that's saying something with VAR. If anything, a foul our way not theirs, how they can decide to overturn the refs call for that I do not know. Some sympathy at least for Martin on that. And it definitely should have been a free kick to us in the build up to the 2nd goal, even the MOTD pundits agreed that. Doesn't change my opinion that Martin needs to go, but we were badly done to on the decisions today.

Yep, if we had yesterday's match on the back of a 3 or 4 match run of decent results then it would have been "one of those days" where you get shafted by circumstance. The problem is, we've left ourselves in a position where we can't afford many more "of those days".

What is truly mental, though, is that despite losing 9 out of 11 we're only a few points from safety, yet we've now got a very tough run coming up.

The time for a new manager was 3 or 4 games ago, sadly.

[Football Special]

6 hours ago, John Boy Saint said:

Hey don’t worry Webby will be on the phone again to Saints come Wednesday apologising for another inept performance against us by his charges.

The level of incompetence of the Leicester game was so bad it looked like corruption, not on the same scale at Wolves but still raises questions,  can they really be that bad? 

[Football Special]

From what I hear , word on the street within the club is Martin still has the backing of the board, I don't think he's going anywhere soon. 

[East Kent Saint]

8 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

Their possession stats are so weak though we'd easily beat them on the only stat that matters, we even stuck 63% on them in their own backyard!

We got a mention for being in third place for xG in home games 

Their home games also have the highest amount of expected goals (xG) with 23.3. West Ham are second (23), with Southampton third (18.22).

[Suhari]

We've had some shocking refereeing so far this season, but the real issue remains RM.

The match stats from yesterday are disgusting: 70% possession, 9 corners and 0 shots on target. That's dismal.

I so want RM replaced, but have the awful feeling that it won't happen.

[LeBizzier69]

4 hours ago, 6ft8saint said:

How about you pick up the cost for everyone else too. Massive bottom of a bell springs to mind.

As replies go, that’s pretty Sunday league..

[southamptonfc]

Fing disgrace of a VAR. Anybody who has played will tell you that was not a foul. If anything it was a foul by the defender. The Premier League is not football, I'm looking forward to the Championship.

[Saint_Jonny]

Glad to see the moaner boners have got something to crow about again this week

It's a 1-1 game if not for typically bullshit, spawny, cunty decisions going against us at Molineux. 

Agree with the consensus that taking that out of the picture, we must don't create enough for the possession we have (as has been the story for ages). Change the manager if you want, but if you think that will suddenly get the mercurial genius of Cam Archer and Tall Paul scoring the goals to win us games, well.. prepare to go into doom monger jizz in your pants overdrive

[saint michael]

Even looking like a team that understands football intent of scoring and winning would be refreshing. Any new manager providing that would be a good start. The ability to coach defence and attack movement would be a bonus. Able to turn weekly coaching into match day application might make a difference too. Apart from that I think Martin is tremendous. 

[Toussaint]

The disallowed goal was wrong, but it’s shouldn’t distract us from the abject failure of Russball. Gary O’Neil absolutely schooled him yesterday. He didn’t give a flying farque regarding how much possession we’d have, he had a game plan to render us impotent, which was executed to perfection for the whole of the second half and a portion of the first. That was an awful, toothless , gutless exhibition of football by Saints! 
 

Regarding the second goal, why was Ramsdale the only one to passionately protest, they should have all kicked off, VAR may have felt compelled to look at it. We are pussies lead by a pussy, who’s more interested in licking and grooming himself than anything or anyone else. 

On a similar note, big shout to Gary O’Neil and Wolves for absolute shithousery, if that what it takes to give yourself the best chance of survival I’m 100% behind it. 

[Matty's Caddy]

Terrible performance really. 

[imadirtyurchin]

I think on reflection one of my biggest frustrations, amongst many… other than not creating anything in an attacking sense with an urgency is the recurring pass we play into midfield after having the ball at the back..

 

we continually have the ball at the back and are being pressured (great, it’s creating space) but it’s near our goal… then the ball is passed under pressure into the midfield and it’s never to an obvious player just into space - then a midfielder will be running at pace towards our goal to receive a ball that’s slowing down but he’s closely tracked by a opponent who is also running at pace - but facing our goal. Our player can’t turn so he can only flick the ball left or right or pass back - it’s this next ball that is continually given away - and the press is all facing our goal, all running that way and our defenders are spread out and on the back foot from being pressed in the prior part of the move. 
 

it happens every game, and it’s so often leads to opposition chances - I think the triggers have been sussed cos martin “won’t change” - so what hope is there? 
 

very very symptomatic of what’s wrong at the moment. 

Edited November 10 by imadirtyurchin