Jack Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Honestly what’s this cunt’s obsession with Ryan Manning? Armstrong has been dreadful this season too, that’s far from our strongest XI IMO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 1 minute ago, LGTL said: Downes hasn’t trained for most of the week so will be surprised if he makes the full 90 Jesus, just shows how toilet RM is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Surprised to see Stephens and Manning in the line-up. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 33 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: In what way has Armstrong done well? Bravery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Just now, Suhari said: Hopefully this means AA and CA fairly central. Or a return to the revolutionary horseshoe attack with a centre forward on each wing 🤞 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 That line up, given this is a "must win" match is uttery bewildering. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Just now, Wade Garrett said: Surprised to see Stephens and Manning in the line-up. And Armstrong. Fucking brilliant at going sideways and backwards the other night against Stoke Reserves. Fucking hell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Too defensive but I guess shoehorn was to be expected. Little creativity there. If we were to field that in the Championship I wouldn't be disappointed but in the Prem, with one point from 9 games, against a team we effectively have to beat... nope. It's getting harder to care whilst the board still back Martin. I really hope we can pull 3 points out the bag but that line up looks almost like we're playing for a draw. Which isn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 I guess we can’t expect Dibling to start every game. Oh well, COYS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWLondon Saint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 On 30/10/2024 at 23:21, SWLondon Saint said: Why on earth are people writing team lists without Cap'n Jack as the first name on? Have you learned nothing! 🤯 I mean, I hate to say I told you so, but... 😅 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 If he stays after this then the board are complicit in this shambles of a club. They clearly don't care about the football and survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Assume stephens is playing lb? Don't like lineup. Don't get why Aribo is being frozen out either after playing well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 It’s almost like he wants the sack at this stage. Here’s fucking hoping. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: I guess we can’t expect Dibling to start every game. Oh well, COYS. Correct but like with Lallana, you'd expect him to be playing the important games rather than against man city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Is there an echo in here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 1 minute ago, Baird of the land said: Assume stephens is playing lb? Don't like lineup. Don't get why Aribo is being frozen out either after playing well Not sure, Manning is there. Could he put Manners at LM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 1 minute ago, LGTL said: It’s almost like he wants the sack at this stage. Here’s fucking hoping. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 36 minutes ago, coalman said: 2-0 coyr Has it finished? I’m still eating my pre match lunch , bugger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: Correct but like with Lallana, you'd expect him to be playing the important games rather than against man city. He wanted to put his best team out against City, so he could lap up all of Pep's praise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 2 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: Assume stephens is playing lb? Manning LWB surely in a 5-3-2 / 3-5-2 Archer Armstrong Fernandes Downes Lallana Manning KWP Stephens Bednarek THB Ramsdale 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Just now, Toussaint said: Has it finished? I’m still eating my pre match lunch , bugger! Hopefully you made this lunch. Chef Russell Martin would have served up: Dry chicken with boiled potatoes, strawberry jam and microwaved Kraft slices on a housebrick attached to a piece of dental floss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Surely there's something wrong with our fitness regime if one of our best players (Dibling) isn't deemed ready to start a game of football a whole week after playing just 45 minutes in a 'free hit' match...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 3 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: He wanted to put his best team out against City, so he could lap up all of Pep's praise. He's probably been calling Lucy "Pep" all week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: He wanted to put his best team out against City, so he could lap up all of Pep's praise. Yep. That was the biggest game of the season for Russ and he got what he wanted. Which of course was 0 points. Utterly baffling how anyone can still want this arrogant prick in charge. Edited November 2 by LGTL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Armstrong and Archer to hug the touchline... The return or the ground breaking V formation. The "genius" of Martin on show again 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWLondon Saint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 (edited) It's the same team as for City but given Everton don't usually press as hard, expect it to look like a 4-3-3 as for Stoke when we're in possession with Stephens in the Bree position and Manning in place of Fraser / Cornet. Why? Who knows, Manning isn't particularly creative there but I guess it is defensively more sound? I guess the theory on the right is AA can run around a lot and defend to let KWP attack on the overlap? As AA presents zero threat to take on and beat people, at least that was the case against Stoke. Edited November 2 by SWLondon Saint Clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 1 minute ago, OttawaSaint said: Hopefully you made this lunch. Chef Russell Martin would have served up: Dry chicken with boiled potatoes, strawberry jam and microwaved Kraft slices on a housebrick attached to a piece of dental floss. And told me it’s worthy of a Michelin star, but the judges just don’t understand what he is trying to do… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 1 minute ago, trousers said: Surely there's something wrong with our fitness regime if one of our best players (Dibling) isn't deemed ready to start a game of football a whole week after playing just 45 minutes in a 'free hit' match...? Unless he's fit and he's dropped him for tactical reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 1 minute ago, SWLondon Saint said: It's the same team as for City but given Everton don't usually press as hard, expect it to look like a 4-3-3 as for Stoke in possession with Stephens in the Bree position and Manning in place of Fraser / Cornet. Why? Who knows, Manning isn't particularly creative there but I guess it is defensively more sound? I guess the theory on the right is AA can run around a lot and defend to let KWP attack on the overlap? As AA presents zero threat to take on and beat people, at least that was the case against Stoke. Fraser isn't fit apparently which may be why. I wouldn't play Cornet after Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Just now, hypochondriac said: Unless he's fit and he's dropped him for tactical reason? I thought Russ only has one tactic...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Saint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 12 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: I guess we can’t expect Dibling to start every game. Oh well, COYS. Wy not - he is young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obstacle1 Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 He doesn't have a clue does he 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWLondon Saint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 2 minutes ago, trousers said: Surely there's something wrong with our fitness regime if one of our best players (Dibling) isn't deemed ready to start a game of football a whole week after playing just 45 minutes in a 'free hit' match...? Don't forget Dibling is only 18 - he's not fully grown and his body likely can't cope with PL intensity matches week in week out. Having him come off the bench is sensible tbf 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 So.... 5 at the back, in a home game against another poor team with a woeful away record. Just so we can shoehorn Stephens in somehow. Dibling dropped. Is that supposed to be Arma and Archer as a front two? If it is then surely they are too similar to one another to be effective in that combination. If not then RM might be trying to be really clever again somehow by baffling everyone. Sugawara has been one of our best players so far this season but has been inexplicably dropped. Sulemana and Cornet have made sub appearances lately but don't even make the bench today, replaced by the hopeless BBD and the raw and inexperienced SAA. But no actual wingers starting who could exploit Everton's weakness at RB. We, however, have two RBs on the bench. It's almost like Russ doesn't actually want to try and win this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: Fraser isn't fit apparently which may be why. I wouldn't play Cornet after Tuesday. Not many of our players are fit. In Les' first match I saw him blowing out of his arse after half an hour but put that down to him getting up to speed. But he's still not fit. That's troubling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWLondon Saint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Fraser isn't fit apparently which may be why. I wouldn't play Cornet after Tuesday. Fraser has looked completely rubbish the whole season tbh. I guess he doesn't trust Sam AA there or Archer with Tall Paul up front which would be my answers, but he does love Manning and Cap'n Jack so this is the most sensible way to Shoehorn them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 4 minutes ago, trousers said: Surely there's something wrong with our fitness regime if one of our best players (Dibling) isn't deemed ready to start a game of football a whole week after playing just 45 minutes in a 'free hit' match...? More likely Dibling hasn't been great and looked a bit jaded the last few games, and is a good asset to have coming off the bench in the second half? Makes sense imo. With 5 subs allowed these days, the starting lineup is less important. It's a squad game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said: Don't forget Dibling is only 18 - he's not fully grown and his body likely can't cope with PL intensity matches week in week out. Having him come off the bench is sensible tbf Fair point, but he's only played 45 minutes of football in the last 13 days... And if you're going to bench him, do it Vs Man City, not Everton, surely? Edited November 2 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone ranger Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Some on here are trying to wind down the RM obsession and that’s good. He’s just another human being like any of us and should receive respect and love…. However if we deal with facts rather than people the reality is we are bottom of the league with one point, the worst ever by a whole succession of metrics. On the other hand we are second only to Man City in terms of possession and passing. Simple conclusion must be that unless you have players of the calibre of Man City the style of football is totally incompatible with success in the Prem. Further supporting evidence is Burnley FC 2023-4. You don’t have to call RM all those horrible obscenities that now litter this forum. He has said that he is committed totally to his methodology so we must accept that we are going to lose most of not all our PL matches and be relegated. That acceptance brings peace and a reduction of stress. Of course our players might suddenly be transformed into £50m stars but as we continue to buy numerous players in the £5-10m bracket (Why?) that just won’t happen. Hope despite all the contrary evidence we can actually get a point today! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Nailed on that we will get a armstrong goal, Manning assist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNewForest Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 5 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said: Don't forget Dibling is only 18 - he's not fully grown and his body likely can't cope with PL intensity matches week in week out. Having him come off the bench is sensible tbf Don't use logic and reasoning; he's been dropped and Martins wrong for doing so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Fucking Stephens. Fucking manning. Fucking Armstrong. We're about to lose 4-0 to Sean Dyches Everton. Record lowest points total incoming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWLondon Saint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Also, no idea why BBD is on the bench. I was vaguely optimistic for him at the start of the season but he has looked completely lost out there on the left. He seems to be OK battling defenders physically and is a pro shithouser so funnily enough I think he could do a job in the middle, but we've never seen him anywhere other than our in no man's land on the left... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 One thing that line-up shows is that he's still nowhere nearer knowing what his best formation, first XI or bench are. Aribo performs consistently well and gets dropped. Armstrong does nothing and gets to start. Dibling is our best player across the season and gets dropped. BBD does absolutely nothing ever but still gets a place on the bench. Taylor is left out of the squad completely. Manning is somehow now deemed a starter. How the players are supposed to find coherence and consistency when it's a different side every week is beyond me. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 6 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said: Don't forget Dibling is only 18 - he's not fully grown and his body likely can't cope with PL intensity matches week in week out. Having him come off the bench is sensible tbf If only we'd rested him midweek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 No real surprises are there, just a lack of consistency with the squad and formation. Im not the biggest fan of Stephens but let’s be fair, Bednarek is trash in this league but seems to escape the anger of our fans, and so far THB has looked nothing but a decent Championship player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWLondon Saint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 3 minutes ago, Lone ranger said: However if we deal with facts rather than people the reality is we are bottom of the league with one point, the worst ever by a whole succession of metrics. On the other hand we are second only to Man City in terms of possession and passing. Simple conclusion must be that unless you have players of the calibre of Man City the style of football is totally incompatible with success in the Prem. Further supporting evidence is Burnley FC 2023-4. You don’t have to call RM all those horrible obscenities that now litter this forum. He has said that he is committed totally to his methodology so we must accept that we are going to lose most of not all our PL matches and be relegated. That acceptance brings peace and a reduction of stress. Of course our players might suddenly be transformed into £50m stars but as we continue to buy numerous players in the £5-10m bracket (Why?) that just won’t happen. Hope despite all the contrary evidence we can actually get a point today! It's not just the players, we also don't play anything like City. Our line is nowhere near as high, and we don't counter press like they do when they lose the ball. They play direct long passes a LOT more than we do too. Also, their defensive organisation is superb, Pep drops people who don't do their defensive jobs. Basically if you gave RM the City team he would still concede an absolute shit ton of goals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 4 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said: Also, no idea why BBD is on the bench. I was vaguely optimistic for him at the start of the season but he has looked completely lost out there on the left. He seems to be OK battling defenders physically and is a pro shithouser so funnily enough I think he could do a job in the middle, but we've never seen him anywhere other than our in no man's land on the left... He probably thinks he's a new player now he's had a haircut and no longer looks like a wild Chilean from the Andes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 I actually have it on pretty decent authority that Martin has these two games. In other words, Martin will be gone by the international break. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 12 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said: Fraser has looked completely rubbish the whole season tbh. I guess he doesn't trust Sam AA there or Archer with Tall Paul up front which would be my answers, but he does love Manning and Cap'n Jack so this is the most sensible way to Shoehorn them in. I'd 100% have Sam A A in there. Sam lm, Dibling RM with Lallana and Fernandes in the middle is a potentially brilliant team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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