warsash saint Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 4 hours ago, The Left Back said: It's hard to overstate the difference in atmosphere between being in the stadium and being on here There it was utter delirium, camaraderie, some gallows humour and a sort of realism/optimism vibe Here it is bitterness, sniping, sarcasm and toxic cynicism (with apologies to those trying to bring some level of positivity to proceedings) you sound surprised??!! - you will learn that this board on match day is full of arm chair 'fans' posting 24 hour shite!! 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 4 hours ago, The Left Back said: It's hard to overstate the difference in atmosphere between being in the stadium and being on here There it was utter delirium, camaraderie, some gallows humour and a sort of realism/optimism vibe Here it is bitterness, sniping, sarcasm and toxic cynicism (with apologies to those trying to bring some level of positivity to proceedings) It was the same last season, could not believe the difference from in here to actually being at away games. Worlds apart. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Ramsdale man of the match for me today - which is great to say after thinking he's had a shaky start. Very well deserved clean sheet, great saves, commanding, no nonsense. Armstrong was terrible when out on the right, but I don't think he had much support and then was better with the changes made and a nicely taken goal, well done that man. Dibling was direct and brilliant when he came on but generally our best chances today came from being much quicker moving the ball forward - shock! A win is a win and enjoyable - but more of this moving the ball forwards quickly please. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 14 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said: Ramsdale man of the match for me today - which is great to say after thinking he's had a shaky start. Very well deserved clean sheet, great saves, commanding, no nonsense. Armstrong was terrible when out on the right, but I don't think he had much support and then was better with the changes made and a nicely taken goal, well done that man. Dibling was direct and brilliant when he came on but generally our best chances today came from being much quicker moving the ball forward - shock! A win is a win and enjoyable - but more of this moving the ball forwards quickly please. Watching MOTD I noticed the run by Archer that drew away two Everton defenders and created the space for AA to exploit. One of the two defenders was Mykolenko who blocked Pickford’s view. It was the speed of our attack that broke up Everton’s defensive shape. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 17 minutes ago, Dr Who? said: It was the same last season, could not believe the difference from in here to actually being at away games. Worlds apart. Vouch for that. After many seasons of attending homes games and most away matches I cannot for personal reasons, for this season only I hope, attend matches. So I find myself fucking stuck in here. It’s like being in hospital. Totally nuts. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalSaintSO50 Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Glad I’m not the only one. Thought the atmosphere was quality today. Get on here and it’s the usual suspects draining the life. Top 3 points, well done all 😇👍 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 I thought Archer worked really hard and close to scoring with that run. Fernandes was quality all through game a real gem of a player. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Fernandes is an excellent player, really excellent. Has been since we signed him. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Echo what others have said. Fernandes was very good, whilst amongst players to play backwards far too much... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 We rode our luck but a win is a win. It's a start. Ramsdale was excellent, he really kept us in it. Now we need to build on this and get another 3 against Wolves. Still a very long way to go but a couple of wins would do wonders for confidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlehouseBrawlers Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 I'm enjoying watching Fernandes while we've still got him, he's a cut above, we'll struggle to keep hold of him for another season even in the unlikely event that we were still PL next season. He edged it for MOTM for me yesterday, close with Ramsdale but I couldn't really appreciate all his heroics as I was down the other end of the stadium. Rode our luck but welcome 3 points. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 We won because we were 'brave'.....apparently 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 14 hours ago, gio1saints said: Seconded. The vast majority of RM haters on here are allowed to post whatever shit they like. Including abusing pro Russ posters. Normal posters with a balanced -not-obsessed with RM viewpoint tend to work out very quickly how toxic this forum can be if you are not in the anti RM “in-gang”and just don’t bother to post due to the amount of disgusting abuse comes flying if they do. So, it’s mainly otherwise normal saints fans telling each other how much they hate hate hate RM and how fucki g stupid cu ts everyone who thinks otherwise is for thinking different. Ask the 7000 Northam cheering him at full time if they hate him. Did not sound like it to me. But yeah bunch of mr. Angrys always got to find a scapegoat on here is a majority of course Look at the match thread mate. So many of the familiar "hope we lose" "Martin is a cunt" gang don't go to games. They are on here, probably all old men that live with their thai brides in far flung parts of Yorkshire and New Zealand too busy wanking over the possibility of a loss and some doom and gloom to actually go to a game, know what it means and feel the buzz. Fuck them all. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Good result - thought we'd win this one as I said earlier in the week. Got a bit of luck but we've been utterly screwed with luck so far this season so think it's fair we at least got some. I did notice an utter love-in for Dyche earlier in the week - I'm assuming we would no longer want him as Manager. There also seems to be a lot of comments about the fact that of course we scored by moving the ball quicker as if that's a slight on Martin - Martin has consistently said he wants the ball to be moved quicker so it's good the players followed his instructions. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Good result - thought we'd win this one as I said earlier in the week. Got a bit of luck but we've been utterly screwed with luck so far this season so think it's fair we at least got some. I did notice an utter love-in for Dyche earlier in the week - I'm assuming we would no longer want him as Manager. There also seems to be a lot of comments about the fact that of course we scored by moving the ball quicker as if that's a slight on Martin - Martin has consistently said he wants the ball to be moved quicker so it's good the players followed his instructions. are they also following his instructions when constantly recycling the ball around the back 3/5? As for Dyche...he has a record of relative success in this league. Martin has 4 points from 30 Edited November 3 by AlexLaw76 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 (edited) 5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: are they also following his instructions when constantly recycling the ball around the back 3/5? The theory of keeping the ball - I would assume so, yes - but he doesn't control every pass and decision on the pitch. Essentially the tactic draws in players to allow us to overload in areas of the pitch and allow us to move quickly through the lines. We do pass back a lot and it is frustrating, but that's only part of the Martin tactics. Edited November 3 by Farmer Saint 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Just now, Farmer Saint said: The theory of keeping the ball - I would assume so, yes - but he doesn't control every pass and decision on the pitch. Essentially it draws in players to allow us to overload in areas of the pitch and allow us to move quickly through the lines. We do pass back a lot and it is frustrating, but that's only part of the Martin tactics. And continuously give the ball away in our own half? (which we did a lot yet again yesterday) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Just now, AlexLaw76 said: And continuously give the ball away in our own half? (which we did a lot yet again yesterday) That's not a tactical instruction from Martin, no. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Just now, Farmer Saint said: That's not a tactical instruction from Martin, no. Well, he is not changing it up, and he continues to say it is brave, so must endorse it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedgeEnder Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 13 hours ago, The Left Back said: It's hard to overstate the difference in atmosphere between being in the stadium and being on here There it was utter delirium, camaraderie, some gallows humour and a sort of realism/optimism vibe Here it is bitterness, sniping, sarcasm and toxic cynicism (with apologies to those trying to bring some level of positivity to proceedings) Atmosphere at the end was fantastic. How people can still moan and groan after a victory is beyond me. Up the Super Saints! 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said: The theory of keeping the ball - I would assume so, yes - but he doesn't control every pass and decision on the pitch. Essentially the tactic draws in players to allow us to overload in areas of the pitch and allow us to move quickly through the lines. We do pass back a lot and it is frustrating, but that's only part of the Martin tactics. The fact that this has returned an entire seven goals this season is a real testament to this electrifying strategy. Oooh we "move through the lines" ever so quickly, don't we though. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Dyche harping on about Bednarek not being sent off - he obviously doesn't actually know the laws of the game. Even if you accept that THB wouldn't have got across to cover, it was quite clearly a genuine attempt to play the ball rather than a cynical, deliberate foul, which it would need to be in order to warrant a red card. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said: Well, he is not changing it up, and he continues to say it is brave, so must endorse it. It's a result of players making mistakes - I'm not really sure how that means he endorses it. He doesn't want players to make mistakes, but all players do. He endorses the tactic of keeping the ball, yes. He doesn't endorse the tactic of giving the ball away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CB Fry said: The fact that this has returned an entire seven goals this season is a real testament to this electrifying strategy. Oooh we "move through the lines" ever so quickly, don't we though. I'm not saying it has worked. It's not a tactic I would use in the PL with a Championship quality team. Irrelevant of that, it is what he wants us to do. Edited November 3 by Farmer Saint 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Just now, Farmer Saint said: It's a result of players making mistakes - I'm not really sure how that means he endorses it. He doesn't want players to make mistakes, but all players do. He endorses the tactic of keeping the ball, yes. He doesn't endorse the tactic of giving the ball away. how is it working out this season, then? (you don't need to answer) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said: how is it working out this season, then? (you don't need to answer) I've answered above. I don't think it works with such a poor team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: He endorses the tactic of keeping the ball, yes. He doesn't endorse the tactic of giving the ball away. No manager endorses "giving the ball away" so hardly an accolade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CB Fry said: No manager endorses "giving the ball away" so hardly an accolade. Maybe tell @AlexLaw76that as that was the basis of his argument. Edited November 3 by Farmer Saint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 14 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: The theory of keeping the ball - I would assume so, yes - but he doesn't control every pass and decision on the pitch. Essentially the tactic draws in players to allow us to overload in areas of the pitch and allow us to move quickly through the lines. We do pass back a lot and it is frustrating, but that's only part of the Martin tactics. So, when do we get to the part of moving quickly through the lines. The football is boring. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Just now, Gingeletiss said: So, when do we get to the part of moving quickly through the lines. The football is boring. Absolutely it is - essentially it works for players of City etc because they have the vision, control and technique to do it. They don't have 3 Championship CB's trying to start moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Maybe tell @AlexLaw76that as that was his argument. His argument is we have set the team up to constantly piss around with it. You are pretending this is allowing us to "break through the lines quickly" - 7 goals shows this isn't happening. He is saying that is results in us giving the ball away over and over again and in multiple cases conceding chances snd conceding goals. The matches we have all watched is showing this is happening. So unless you are saying that Russell Martin is not instructing the players at all, they're all deciding to play this way by themselves, then what is happening on the pitch is a result of the managers direction. Edited November 3 by CB Fry 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Just now, Farmer Saint said: Absolutely it is - essentially it works for players of City etc because they have the vision, control and technique to do it. They don't have 3 Championship CB's trying to start moves. So you accept, he is out of his depth then, and should maybe try a system that suits our abilities. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Just now, CB Fry said: His argument is we have set the team up to constantly piss around with it. You are pretending this is allowing us to "break through the lines quickly" - 7 goals shows this isn't happening. He is saying that is results in us giving the ball away over and over again and in multiple cases conceding chances snd conceding goals. The matches we have all watched is showing this is happening. He literally said this: 17 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Well, he is not changing it up, and he continues to say it is brave, so must endorse it. If you two are going to sneak around trying to put pincer movements on anyone that says anything positive about a Saints win, then make sure you know what each others going to say first. It's so cringe when it doesn't work. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Just now, Gingeletiss said: So you accept, he is out of his depth then, and should maybe try a system that suits our abilities. Yes, I have said for the last 4 weeks he needs to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said: Yes, I have said for the last 4 weeks he needs to go. Double the splinters sitting on BOTH sides of the fence? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Looking back on the game, I still have the feeling of delight in actually winning three Prem points for the first time in 20 plus games but reflect on the fact that fortune smiled on us yesterday. Probably a draw would have been a fair result and it could easily have been another disappointing defeat. Bothe sides will continue to struggle this season. My ratings, for what they are worth are as follows: Ramsdale 9 Some terrific saves KWP 8 Yet another top display from one of our consistently good players Manning 6 Provides an actual left footed option on the left and put in one excellent cross. Played too many passes backwards Downes 7 Provided energy and ball recycling in midfield. Improved performance THB 7 Solid defensive game Bednerak 7 Ditto Capt Jack 6 A few misplaced passes that potentially caused problems Arma 6.5 An fairly average game but made his run into the box and took his gaol well. Fernandes 8 Very decent performance from a young man destined to do well in the game. A combination of skill and energy. Archer 6 One difficult chance for him to score. Didnt seem to cause too many problems for Evertons defence otherwise Lallana 6.5 As ever, neat and tidy but never going to play the full game. Lost the ball once in a tricky position. Dibling 6.5 Made an immediate impression and possibly worth a higher rating. Unfortunately he seems to get booked regularly for holding which he needs to improve upon. Aribo 6 Did one or two good things and a couple of not so good. However more positive than negative Sugawara 6.5 Cross for the goal was spot on. Other Subs Not rated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West end Saints Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 (edited) 9 hours ago, Gingeletiss said: So you accept, he is out of his depth then, and should maybe try a system that suits our abilities. I suspect our biggest issue is the quality of players rather than the manger. I doubt many would get into other sides in this division. I'm not yet convinced of Downes at this level, I was concerned when we prioritised his signing and his value , as a 25 year old who had played more in league 1 than prem. But was excellent last season, wants to be here, etc so hopefully will come good. But Archer, Cornet, Armstrong, brereton Diaz, PO - would they get many minutes elsewhere? Personally. I would have RM over Dyche every time. The club doesn't have the money to easily sack managers then deal with changing the squad for a new manager. Hopefully now we have that first win we can pick up enough points to keep in the fight, if that's the case I hope he stays. Edited November 3 by West end Saints 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 10 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: He literally said this: If you two are going to sneak around trying to put pincer movements on anyone that says anything positive about a Saints win, then make sure you know what each others going to say first. It's so cringe when it doesn't work. Are you trying to say that the team being sent out by Russell Martin is not constantly giving the ball away in our own half? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 (edited) we piss about with it at the back alot, we consistently give the ball away in our own half..even our defensive 3rd. Martin has not changed it what so ever (and champions his process).....he likes the bravery, he loves the bravery...the risk/reward in his mind is worth it. This is his system. A system that will have us relegated by xmas.. Great stuff Edited November 3 by AlexLaw76 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 46 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: And continuously give the ball away in our own half? (which we did a lot yet again yesterday) Hardly Martin's fault if players are unable to pass accurately or make a telling pass with better players we would be doing a great deal better so the current ones need to improve for us to survive 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Just now, John B said: Hardly Martin's fault if players are unable to pass accurately or make a telling pass with better players we would be doing a great deal better so the current ones need to improve for us to survive or, we change the style to suit the players? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 You must be so disappointed we won yesterday 😏 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 49 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Dyche harping on about Bednarek not being sent off - he obviously doesn't actually know the laws of the game. Even if you accept that THB wouldn't have got across to cover, it was quite clearly a genuine attempt to play the ball rather than a cynical, deliberate foul, which it would need to be in order to warrant a red card. I think it’s you that doesn’t know the laws. The “double jeopardy “ only applies inside the box. Outside, the box DOGSO applies regardless of whether a genuine attempt is made for the ball of not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 9 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: we piss about with it at the back alot, we consistently give the ball away in our own half..even our defensive 3rd. Martin has not changed it what so ever (and champions his process).....he likes the bravery, he loves the bravery...the risk/reward in his mind is worth it. This is his system. A system that will have us relegated by xmas.. Great stuff Yes Russell doesn't "endorse" losing the ball or "endorse" conceding goals or "endorse" scoring fuck all goals or "endorse" losing matches. He doesn't endorse those things so really he is utterly blameless. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Finally, a win, rode our luck a bit and make no mistake had Baz been in nets we would have registered another 0 points. First time this season Lego made a positive impact with his substitutions, and apart from the offside, we saw out the game well. Lallana, class again but did look knackered after about 40mins, & MF our other outstanding player (apart from Ramsdale). One thing I noticed was our lack of players in the box when we break, unless we address this we’re always going to struggle for goals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 Gio is like a dog with two dicks at the moment 😂😂😂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I think it’s you that doesn’t know the laws. The “double jeopardy “ only applies inside the box. Outside, the box DOGSO applies regardless of whether a genuine attempt is made for the ball of not. OK, I stand corrected. I always thought it had to be no attempt to play the ball (did it used to be?). Still wasn't a clear and obvious DOGSO though. Would have been very harsh to send him off. Edited November 3 by Sheaf Saint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldandtired Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 25 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: One thing I noticed was our lack of players in the box when we break, unless we address this we’re always going to struggle for goals. Also the speed of transition of other teams when generally compared to ours. Apart from the goal and perhaps one or two other occasions yesterday we are generally slow in working the ball up the field. Other teams we’ve played have seemed to be so much faster in this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldandtired Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 40 minutes ago, oldsarum said: You must be so disappointed we won yesterday 😏 Inasmuch as it might extend the tenure of this manager I, for one, possibly a tad yes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 13 hours ago, losgigantes said: Jack Stephens was Everton's best player! How we preserve with him God and Russell only knows! Awful! Yep, kept giving the ball away 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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