Reparatory justice for the transatlantic slave trade

[BARCELONASAINT]

Commonwealth heads of government are preparing to defy the United Kingdom and agree plans to examine reparatory justice for the transatlantic slave trade, the BBC has learned.

Downing Street insists the issue is not on the agenda for the summit of 56 Commonwealth countries, which begins in the Pacific island nation of Samoa on Friday.

But diplomatic sources said officials were negotiating an agreement to conduct further research and begin a “meaningful conversation” about an issue which could potentially leave the UK owing billions of pounds in reparations.

Ok, I know this is a sensitive subject for many and i will make it clear straight away that what happened in the past was wrong then and it's wrong now. However these events did not happen during our lifetimes and no one alive now should have to pay for what happened well over a hundred years ago and more.

Where do we stop?? Should we go after the Denmark, Sweden and Norway for the Vikings invading our lands and taking slaves?

Do we go after the Italians for invading our lands as part of the Roman Empire and taking slaves? (what did the Romans ever do for us?)

No one alive should be apologising for historical events of the past. By all means acknowledge that these things were wrong by our human standards of today but apologise, NO. Those alive today have nothing to apologise about. 

 

[whelk]

Fuck that

[hypochondriac]

Not even worth discussing really. It isn't going to happen (although as usual the big brained genius David Lammy said something years ago not considering that it would come back to bite him if he ever fluked his way into power.) and it's a waste of time getting angry about a fantasy.

[Lighthouse]

Another case of people choosing the exact interpretation of the exact moment in history which they feel they’re the victim of. As has been pointed out we can reasonably demand reparations from many European nations, not to mention the Catholic Church, so where does it all end? If we can trace homosapiens back to east Africa, are they ultimately responsible for the whole worlds colonialism?

[buctootim]

40 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Another case of people choosing the exact interpretation of the exact moment in history which they feel they’re the victim of. As has been pointed out we can reasonably demand reparations from many European nations, not to mention the Catholic Church, so where does it all end? If we can trace homosapiens back to east Africa, are they ultimately responsible for the whole worlds colonialism?

 

Also, whilst some Britons were making money from the transatlantic trade, it was Africans who were capturing and selling the slaves. Hows that going to work

[The Kraken]

I always find apologies for these sort of things to be a bit pointless.  Maybe apologising "on behalf of the Government" goes somewhere towards acknowledging a wrong, but it's a bit meaningless in terms of being a personal apology if it was generations away.

Sunak had it right when he ruled out reparations.  So did Starmer when he repeated that line.  It would be nonsense to even consider it.

[Lighthouse]

2 hours ago, buctootim said:

Also, whilst some Britons were making money from the transatlantic trade, it was Africans who were capturing and selling the slaves. Hows that going to work

Shhh, we don’t mention that bit. The slave trade was every white person capturing and selling Africans, end of discussion. Also Arabs have never been involved at all.

[whelk]

25 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Shhh, we don’t mention that bit. The slave trade was every white person capturing and selling Africans, end of discussion. Also Arabs have never been involved at all.

Why do you hate Muslims so much?

[hypochondriac]

Lol. 

[Turkish]

As someone who descends from the Roman Empire rule i demand reparatory justice for the Roman slave trade. 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

As someone who descends from the Roman Empire rule i demand reparatory justice for the Roman slave trade. 

Or the Greeks. It’s about time they contributed something to the advancement of mankind.

[The Kraken]

The Greeks gave us gyros and tzatsiki, they get a pass.  Plus Greek salad, the king of salads.

[whelk]

And Ouzo and some philosophy

[Lighthouse]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Why do you hate Muslims so much?

Muslims ≠ Arabs

[badgerx16]

Probably 90% of the country is still owned by descendants of the Norman invaders. On behalf on my Anglo-Saxon forebears I demand that our land is returned to us, so that we can then pass it back to our Celtic ancestors from whom the Saxons / Angles / Danes / Jutes stole it.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

An article on US discussions on slavery reparations containing some differing viewpoints :-

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/15/us/slavery-reparations-explanation-trnd/index.html

 

Edited 24 October, 2024 by Holmes_and_Watson

[Whitey Grandad]

They all ended up with a Caribbean island to call their own. Is that not enough?

[Gloucester Saint]

You’d also have to deduct all of the tens of billions international aid and overseas R&D. A non-starter. More likely to be helping the more stable Commonwealth countries with better access to re-financing facilities. 

[badgerx16]

In one episode of "Who Do You Think You Are ?", Ainsley Harriot went tracing his lineage back to the plantation where one of his ancestors was a slave, only to find another was the plantation owner.

I suppose he could pay himself.

[pingpong]

46 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

In one episode of "Who Do You Think You Are ?", Ainsley Harriot went tracing his lineage back to the plantation where one of his ancestors was a slave, only to find another was the plantation owner.

I suppose he could pay himself.

That's not so rare, a lot of slave rape back in the day.

[Badger]

On 24/10/2024 at 12:07, buctootim said:

 

Also, whilst some Britons were making money from the transatlantic trade, it was Africans who were capturing and selling the slaves. Hows that going to work

 

18 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

You’d also have to deduct all of the tens of billions international aid and overseas R&D. A non-starter. More likely to be helping the more stable Commonwealth countries with better access to re-financing facilities. 

Aspects that will be conveniently overlooked.

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, Badger said:

 

Aspects that will be conveniently overlooked.

The argument seems to be that we need to pay reparations because the slave trade was not done on such an industrial scale before and that that's our fault. Completely insane of course. 

[Turkish]

30 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

The argument seems to be that we need to pay reparations because the slave trade was not done on such an industrial scale before and that that's our fault. Completely insane of course. 

it's completely bonkers anyone is even talking about this really. 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

it's completely bonkers anyone is even talking about this really. 

Bonkers? The PM took the knee just a couple of years ago, all while largely peaceful protests were taking place 

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Bonkers? The PM took the knee just a couple of years ago, all while largely peaceful protests were taking place 

Still obsessed about the fucking knee 🤣

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Still obsessed about the fucking knee 🤣

you did see Starmers shoes right?

[AlexLaw76]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

you did see Starmers shoes right?

They get better when paid for by someone else…

 

[The Kraken]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

you did see Starmers shoes right?

They were the genuine scandal of the piece. Horrendous stuff. No wonder he took all that lolly from the donor to smarten himself up.

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

They get better when paid for by someone else…

 

 

10 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

They were the genuine scandal of the piece. Horrendous stuff. No wonder he took all that lolly from the donor to smarten himself up.

Ange is in bondage footwear. 

[The Kraken]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

Ange is in bondage footwear. 

Dont tease me 🥰

[OldNick]

Is the Commonwealth of any use to the UK at all? Im not sure we get much in return from them. Perhaps time to end our membership. 

[badgerx16]

30 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Is the Commonwealth of any use to the UK at all? Im not sure we get much in return from them. Perhaps time to end our membership. 

4 members were never even British colonies.

[east-stand-nic]

Do-good nonsense, ill thought through and totally stupid. Some of the obvious do-good nutters on this forum will no doubt love it.

[whelk]

41 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Do-good nonsense, ill thought through and totally stupid. Some of the obvious do-good nutters on this forum will no doubt love it.

How can something that hasn’t got any traction be ill thought through? Only a few left wing idiots think this should be a thing.

Edited 28 October, 2024 by whelk

[Gloucester Saint]

57 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Do-good nonsense, ill thought through and totally stupid. Some of the obvious do-good nutters on this forum will no doubt love it.

I can’t see any support for it on here, irrespective of views. It’s unworkable even if someone did support it - where would you start and draw distinctions? 

It’s confected for domestic audiences to keep some leaders and Heads of State in power.

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Do-good nonsense, ill thought through and totally stupid. Some of the obvious do-good nutters on this forum will no doubt love it.

It is amazing how badly you read the room.

[whelk]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

It is amazing how badly you read the room.

He is similar to SOG in that way - imposes the views he thinks is easy to argue against on others but in reality no one is thinking that. Except of course the legion of Nazi Islamophobes on here.

Edited 28 October, 2024 by whelk

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

He is similar to SOG in that way - imposes the views he thinks is easy to argue against on others but in reality no one is thinking that. Except of course the legion of Nazi Islamophobes on here.

Come to think of it, my belt buckle could do with a polish.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Come to think of it, my belt buckle could do with a polish.

Usual time?

Oh, it wasn't a euphemism...awkward...