January Transfer Window 2025

[Matthew Le God]

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Matthew Le God

[Chez]

36 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

In general i would totally agree with you. However my son is a football agent in South America and the stories he tells me about agents that really do not have their players welfare at heart and just look for a big potential payday. My son will not move any player on his books to a club (or recommend it to the player) unless he genuinely believes the move will long term benefit the player.

Doesn't surprise me, but as you will know then, it's not really the job of the agent to have the players `welfare at heart', it is their job to maximise the players earnings by negotiating the best contracts and commercial deals, help to get the player a move to another club if his wishes or needs it, while also presenting opportunities/clubs that the player hasn't specfically requested but may choose if they desire.

Ultimately, the welfare, performance and longevity of a player will help the earnings potential of the player (and thus the agent), so they won't ignore it, but agents aren't their to hold the players hand, they are there to make them richer. Players dont even need an agent. The PFA can and do provide lawyers to handle contract negotiations if a player so chooses. Players take an agent because they know they will get them a great deal. 

Despite what you say about your son, and that is commendable, agents also don't actually know if a move will benefit a player in the long term or not. Take Bale or more recently Djed Spense. Both got a massive offer from Spurs to play in the PL. But Bale's move looked like it was a shocker at one point, with Bagpuss looking to offload him to Cardiff until he had an injury crisis...and then the rest was history. Spense's move to Spurs similary looked to be a nightmare, but more recently he has impressed for them. One things for sure, financially the moves made sense for both players - and that is what the agents is responsible for.

In Dibling's case, his agent will present the options available. He isnt going to flatly refuse to hear (and pass on) offers from Liverpool because he thinks Dibling might end up in the reserves. The decision on which he takes will be down to the player. 

[Tommy Mulgrew]

3 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Although the post, like so many others you struggle with, had enough clarity for the purposes of a football forum, why not simply ask for a clarification if you had failed to understand it?

That enables discussion and makes you look a lot less ignorant. Far be it for me to mention another MLG bad habit, but...

Bad Habit #3: Get caught out. But rather than adjust behaviour, pretend you are never wrong by grasping any straw and try to dig a big hole with it.

 

7 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

That will be why Gio went on to call  Les "physically dominant strong" later in his post then.

Bad habit #220: Reading posts for gotcha moments.

Bad Habit #221: Failing to read the rest of the post after thinking there's a gotcha moment, and making a clown of yourself.

It's also not great for anyone on the forum just wanting to post an opinion, only to remember there's every chance it will be followed by the likes of the above.

 

 

7 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Its almost like MLG only read the the first sentence of Gio's post before trying to criticise him. Totally missing the fact that Gio had gone on to mention Lesley, and that in fact MLG is basically just agreeing with Gio#s sentiments. Bit of a woopsie moment really 😰.
 

 

7 hours ago, Turkish said:

 

you have poked the snake now lads! 

 

5 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

I did read the entire post. Saying you don't have something and then later saying you do... is a contradiction!

Bad habit #219 for @Holmes_and_Watson and @Saint86

 

5 hours ago, Doctoroncall said:

Not everyone is effective in written communication, myself included, however, for the level of interpretation required, may I suggest you run the forum posts through copilot which should make them easier to understand for you.

For instance, type summarise the following text… followed by the text from the post, or what does this mean… followed by the text from the post. 
 

HTH. 

IMO, MLG has autistic-like skills, as you all well know.  Your viewpoint to him is just as hard to understand as his is to you.  Show some understanding and compassion please.  MLG has said he read the whole of gio’s post before highlighting what he sees as a contradiction in its text.  You either see the contradiction or you don’t; it’s not the end of the world either way.  Just accept he has a right to see it as he does.

I wrote about that type of thing a couple of days ago on another thread.  It does not seem to have had much effect.  Hence this post, which I hope you will consider in the spirit I intend.
 

As some of us see it, at present this is beginning to become bullying again.  Let it be.

 

Just seen MLG’s latest post re an offer to Reading - we do like to collect left backs!

[skintsaint]

4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

Ooooh we love a left back at Saints. That will be our 23rd on the books.

[Chez]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

First team has not cut it, but great to see we are investing in young talent. It's no Chelsea-level money, but it's certainly not nothing.  

[SuperSAINT]

There’s a logical gap in the U21’s for a left back — and who knows in the first team after relegation. 

[Matthew Le God]

Andre Garcia as a 16/17 year old this season has played roughly 20 League One games, so is already ahead of most of his age group for experience.

Edited 6 hours ago by Matthew Le God

[Chez]

7 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Ooooh we love a left back at Saints. That will be our 23rd on the books.

Hope this works out better than Meghoma, Small and Larios investments. 

[Chez]

3 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

There’s a logical gap in the U21’s for a left back — and who knows in the first team after relegation. 

Taylor, Manning, Wellington, Larios. Something has to give. Just imagine if no one signs KWP in the summer and we manage to get him to sign a new deal. 

[Chez]

5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Andre Garcia as a 16/17 year old this season has played roughly 20 League One games, so is already ahead of most of his age group for experience.

If he signs, a possibility that we loan him back or out to a championship side, assuming there is interest?

[SuperSAINT]

16 minutes ago, Chez said:

Hope this works out better than Meghoma, Small and Larios investments. 

The Meghoma investment paid off and then some.

[Matthew Le God]

28 minutes ago, Chez said:

Hope this works out better than Meghoma, Small and Larios investments. 

No longer at the club (which is a shame), but sold for a healthy profit.

Edited 5 hours ago by Matthew Le God

[Chez]

25 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Andre Garcia as a 16/17 year old this season has played roughly 20 League One games, so is already ahead of most of his age group for experience.

He looks confident. Very hard from the video to determine how good a player he is. Pretty impressive for a 17 year old, but no chance he is PL level yet. I guess the question is, is he going to push for a first team place next season or is that too early?

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

He looks confident. Very hard from the video to determine how good a player he is. Pretty impressive for a 17 year old, but no chance he is PL level yet. I guess the question is, is he going to push for a first team place next season or is that too early?

Gotzepe will love him

[Chez]

14 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

The Meghoma investment paid off and then some.

fair point. Therefore I will reprase. I hope he makes more of in impact on the pitch than they did. 

[Chez]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Gotzepe will love him

Do they need a keeper?

[Turkish]

35 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

The Meghoma investment paid off and then some.

depends how you look at it. We signed 3 young left backs for a combined fee of about £12m, only Larios played in the premier league and that was 3 years ago. Small left for nothing, Meghoma for about £5m and Larios is further away from the first team than he was when he joined. £12m could get you a half decent left back who would play.

[Barsiem]

34 minutes ago, Chez said:

Do they need a keeper?

Said in jest irealise but I actually don't think it's a bad shout for Baz.  There's some big games in the Turkish top flight for him to deal with, and overall lower standard for him to hone his game (and hopefully learn how to make saves)

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

Said in jest irealise but I actually don't think it's a bad shout for Baz.  There's some big games in the Turkish top flight for him to deal with, and overall lower standard for him to hone his game (and hopefully learn how to make saves)

It’ll tell you if Rasmus really rates him or not as to whether he will risk his vanity project and their Europa League push. I’d actually even be impressed if he did well there for a string of games without one of his trademark horror shows, and as anyone who posts on here knows, Gavin is firmly in my worst ever XI. Chez has Ian Andrews in it, pays your money takes your choice.

[Gloucester Saint]

31 minutes ago, Turkish said:

depends how you look at it. We signed 3 young left backs for a combined fee of about £12m, only Larios played in the premier league and that was 3 years ago. Small left for nothing, Meghoma for about £5m and Larios is further away from the first team than he was when he joined. £12m could get you a half decent left back who would play.

Yes, when you look at the LB issue in the round it’s not good even if one transaction made a modest profit. Especially for a club that’s had Peach, Dennis, Statham, Bridge, Bale, Shaw and Bertrand in that position.

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Yes, when you look at the LB issue in the round it’s not good even if one transaction made a modest profit. Especially for a club that’s had Peach, Dennis, Statham, Bridge, Bale, Shaw and Bertrand in that position.

and now we have Taylor, Manning and Wellington who have a right back preferred over them. I'll cut Wellington some slack as he's just joined but really really poor. 

[Gloucester Saint]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

and now we have Taylor, Manning and Wellington who have a right back preferred over them. I'll cut Wellington some slack as he's just joined but really really poor. 

Wasn’t there a 17 year old Spanish LB also signed around the same time Livramento was? Cost a couple of £2m and disappeared. Not Larios, it was before that.

All adds up.

Edited 4 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[FarehamSaintJames]

Another child signing, our soccer school is so ready for senior year in league one in a couple of years time. 😉

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Wasn’t there a 17 year old Spanish LB also signed around the same time Livramento was? Cost a couple of £2m and disappeared. Not Larios, it was before that.

All adds up.

yes there was forget his name, think he went back to Spain

[ErwinK1961]

5 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Wasn’t there a 17 year old Spanish LB also signed around the same time Livramento was? Cost a couple of £2m and disappeared. Not Larios, it was before that.

All adds up.

Jeremi Rodriguez?

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Jeremi Rodriguez?

Well done, that’s him. https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/article/youngster-rodriguez-departs-saints

Now plays for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UD_San_Fernando at least getting some Canary Islands sun and enjoying the Maspalomas sand dunes. Guessing he’s part-time with a job.

Edited 4 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[SuperSAINT]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

yes there was forget his name, think he went back to Spain

He did, via America.

[WALK DMC]

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

Ooooh we love a left back at Saints. That will be our 23rd on the books.

I read that he is playing out of position and that his preferred role is in midfield. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, SuperSAINT said:

He did, via America.

LA Galaxy seconds. Getting some sunshine in in his career.

[pimpin4rizeal]

1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

The Meghoma investment paid off and then some.

Man what a shit depressing club this is when getting 5 million for meghoma is considered a success..

never mind we have been a embarrassment all season we can turn some profit on dibling and fernandes happy days 

[Gloucester Saint]

15 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Man what a shit depressing club this is when getting 5 million for meghoma is considered a success..

never mind we have been a embarrassment all season we can turn some profit on dibling and fernandes happy days 

☝️ 

[Lighthouse]

19 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Man what a shit depressing club this is when getting 5 million for meghoma is considered a success..

never mind we have been a embarrassment all season we can turn some profit on dibling and fernandes happy days 

What's your point? Who is saying, "never mind the embarrassment of a season"? Nobody is holding this up as an example of a successful season, just stating that we did good business on Meghoma, bringing him in and selling him on at a profit.

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Barsiem said:

Said in jest irealise but I actually don't think it's a bad shout for Baz.  There's some big games in the Turkish top flight for him to deal with, and overall lower standard for him to hone his game (and hopefully learn how to make saves)

totally with you.

[pimpin4rizeal]

31 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

What's your point? Who is saying, "never mind the embarrassment of a season"? Nobody is holding this up as an example of a successful season, just stating that we did good business on Meghoma, bringing him in and selling him on at a profit.

Thought it was pretty obvious

we are a shit depressing club that’s only interest is turning profit on players, not what’s happening on the pitch.. celebrating a poxy 5 mil on meghona is Mickey Mouse as Fuck with everything else going on .. 

call me old fashioned but I take more pleasure from what the player does on the pitch then if we turned a profit or not 

Our whole recruitment approach is destined to fail as we prioritise trying to to make a few mill on cheapo players rather then to be competitive on the pitch .. even the decent signings we make will soon go and we get left with mediocre squad filler  shit and the only thing to cheer about is how much we get for dibling/fernandes or whoever.

[skintsaint]

2 hours ago, Barsiem said:

Said in jest irealise but I actually don't think it's a bad shout for Baz.  There's some big games in the Turkish top flight for him to deal with, and overall lower standard for him to hone his game (and hopefully learn how to make saves)

This bloke is their solid no 1 !

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mateusz_Lis

[Whitey Grandad]

4 hours ago, SWLondon Saint said:

Well, 

 

I work in an industry which hires a lot on commission / the agency type model and I'd agree with this 100%. The agencies don't want people to stay in one job / one place and are always 'encouraging' job changes as that's when they get paid. However I do get it in the context of that first big contract for players - as at that level it basically gives you 'f*** off' amounts of money which means if you manage it well you won't have to work again. 

I did some work in Canada in the 80’s and the company I worked for used a head hunter to find the people they needed. Of course that head hunter then had a catalogue of people whom he had helped to find jobs and continued to find further jobs for them with other companies.

[Lighthouse]

23 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Thought it was pretty obvious

we are a shit depressing club that’s only interest is turning profit on players, not what’s happening on the pitch.. celebrating a poxy 5 mil on meghona is Mickey Mouse as Fuck with everything else going on .. 

call me old fashioned but I take more pleasure from what the player does on the pitch then if we turned a profit or not 

Our whole recruitment approach is destined to fail as we prioritise trying to to make a few mill on cheapo players rather then to be competitive on the pitch .. even the decent signings we make will soon go and we get left with mediocre squad filler  shit and the only thing to cheer about is how much we get for dibling/fernandes or whoever.

1. We're not 'only' interested in turning a profit on players, there's far more to running a PL club than that.
2. We're not celebrating, you've made that up.
3. We don't get, "pleasure from what the player does on the pitch," unless the club is run in a financially stable and responsible way.
4. We're not just trying, "to make a few mill on cheapo players," trading on players is part of the process and we've spent plenty on expensive flops along the way.
5. Decent signings will leave pretty much every club in the world, apart from maybe Real, City, Barca and Bayern.
6. I refer you to point two on Dibling/MF. Who is cheering?

[pimpin4rizeal]

29 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

1. We're not 'only' interested in turning a profit on players, there's far more to running a PL club than that.
2. We're not celebrating, you've made that up.
3. We don't get, "pleasure from what the player does on the pitch," unless the club is run in a financially stable and responsible way.
4. We're not just trying, "to make a few mill on cheapo players," trading on players is part of the process and we've spent plenty on expensive flops along the way.
5. Decent signings will leave pretty much every club in the world, apart from maybe Real, City, Barca and Bayern.
6. I refer you to point two on Dibling/MF. Who is cheering?

In reply to 4 and 5 I generally believe we are The most  unambitious   club in the league the players you call expensive flops are not expensive in comparison to the rest of the league which is what matters ..

also we are absolutely soft as shit when it comes to selling players  it’s like we accept our role as a stepping stone club ..  whee you look the likes of West Ham’s or even forest and Bournemouths transfer dealings you can see why they are now looking at us in their rear view 

We have basically pretty much stood still in terms of how much we spend on a big signing whilst the likes of the three mentioned above would happily double what we pay or more .. the lack of ambition reflects our position I’m afraid 

Edited 1 hour ago by pimpin4rizeal

[Wade Garrett]

Can we just sign a fucking player that would walk into the first team.

[BarberSaint]

32 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Can we just sign a fucking player that would walk into the first team.

 

 

Lallana? His sprinting days are over so I'd say walking was his pace.  I imagine that Danish bloke will be close to our first team but I don't see anyone of a good enough standard for the PL to join us. Bit surprised we haven't moved anyone on yet.

[captainchris]

4 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Yes, when you look at the LB issue in the round it’s not good even if one transaction made a modest profit. Especially for a club that’s had Peach, Dennis, Statham, Bridge, Bale, Shaw and Bertrand in that position.

Plus Denis Hollywood of course 😁👍

[Holmes_and_Watson]

17 minutes ago, captainchris said:

Plus Denis Hollywood of course 😁👍

As immortalised by Saints club band, Blondie, in the late '70s

Denis, Denis, our left back of the year
Denis, Denis, filling wingers full of fear
Denis, Denis, we always want you near