January Transfer Window 2025

[Matthew Le God]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

He was so highly regarded as a League 1 player, it doesn't surpise me he looks good in the Championship.

Ronnie Edwards is not new to the Championship, he played 34 Championship games for Peterborough.

[hypochondriac]

14 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

Depends on who's left after sales, shipping out players etc. We'll be back to Baz in goal, Bree and Manning potentially as wing backs etc. It will need work.

I do think we'd still have a decent squad but this time round I'd like to see it strengthened sensibly for the chance to stay in the Prem should we go up again. But that's easier said than done based on our recent transfer history. 

I'm not so sure it will need much work. 

 

Baz/ new keeper 

Sugawara/Bree Wood Edwards/Bednarek Manning

Downes Smallbone/Charles 

Armstrong Amo Ameyew 

Aribo/Gronbaek 

Archer/ New striker 

Requires very little doing to it to be competitive and that's before you consider that the likes of Lallana, THB, Fernandes or even Sulemana might stay for a season. Maybe a full back or two if we get rid of Taylor, a new keeper ideally and a striker. 

Edited yesterday at 15:32 by hypochondriac

[Matthew Le God]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not so sure it will need much work. 

 

Baz/ new keeper 

Sugawara/Bree Wood Edwards/Bednarek Manning

Downes Smallbone/Charles 

Armstrong Amo Ameyew 

Aribo/Gronbaek 

Archer/ New striker 

Requires very little doing to it to be competitive and that's before you consider that the likes of Lallana, THB, Fernandes or even Sulemana might stay for a season. Maybe a full back or two if we get rid of Taylor, a new keeper ideally and a striker. 

Welington as a left back option. Plus potentially Juan and Matsuki returning from Göztepe, Daouda Traoré returning from loan at Valenciennes, and Joachim Kayi Sanda the new centre back signed this month from Valenciennes plus you left out Edozie who'd be useful in the Championship.

Edited yesterday at 15:41 by Matthew Le God

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

Welington as a left back option. Plus potentially the two returning from Göztepe,  the central midfielder returning from loan at Valenciennes, and the new centre back signed this month from Valenciennes plus you left out Edozie who'd be useful in the Championship.

Yes this was just off the top of my head. It remains to be seen if we will ever actually see any of the players out on loan play for us or even if they are good enough to do so. It might be just a club group sort of thing and they eventually get sold to Turkey or similar. 

[miserableoldgit]

Charlie Taylor is a bit of a mystery. He is a pretty experienced Prem player having played over 160 games in the division......more than a lot of others in the squad. Wasn't expecting him to be a spectacular signing.....more of a roadsweeper than a violinist.....but he was never given a chance to establish himself.

Edited yesterday at 16:45 by miserableoldgit
Pedantry

[hypochondriac]

Just now, miserableoldgit said:

Charlie Taylor is a bit of a mystery. He is a pretty experienced Prem player have played over 160 games in the division......more than a lot of others in the squad. Wasn't expecting him to be a spectacular signing.....more of a roadsweeper than a violinist.....but he was never given a chance to establish himself.

We never played him properly I thought it was a solid signing when we made it. Seems Martin wasted him really or perhaps he never really wanted him?

[OldNick]

11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not so sure it will need much work. 

 

Baz/ new keeper 

Sugawara/Bree Wood Edwards/Bednarek Manning

Downes Smallbone/Charles 

Armstrong Amo Ameyew 

Aribo/Gronbaek 

Archer/ New striker 

Requires very little doing to it to be competitive and that's before you consider that the likes of Lallana, THB, Fernandes or even Sulemana might stay for a season. Maybe a full back or two if we get rid of Taylor, a new keeper ideally and a striker. 

I can feel all the Championship clubs quaking in their boots with that array of talent

[St Louis]

12 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

...plus you left out Edozie who'd be useful in the Championship.

I'm not convinced that Edozie will fancy dropping back to The Championship (especially with a club who supposedly didn't treat him great last summer), given he's playing Europa League football. Anderlecht are currently 3rd in that too, above Man United, Tottenham, Roma, Porto, Ajax, Galatasaray, etc... so I expect he's quite enjoying himself away from us

Edited yesterday at 15:49 by St Louis

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I can feel all the Championship clubs quaking in their boots with that array of talent

Odd comment. As a minimum

Downes 

Charles 

Armstrong 

Archer 

Bednarek 

Arguably Edwards 

Would get into the majority of championship sides as a top player and definitely in the squads. Maybe even gronbaek too and Aribo performed well last year. If any of Lallana, Fernandes or THB stay then they will be one of the top players in their position in the league. Potentially even the likes of Amo Ameyew given he's had another year of development. 

 

Edited yesterday at 15:49 by hypochondriac

[miserableoldgit]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

We never played him properly I thought it was a solid signing when we made it. Seems Martin wasted him really or perhaps he never really wanted him?

Yes.....a number of the "mass" of signings (quantity over quality) that we made over the Summer seem to fit into this category and never really given a chance in the team. And those that were, were mis-used, and/or played out of position. I do get the feeling that RM didn't have a massive amount of input into the transfer dealing before the season started or he just didn't know what he was doing......

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, St Louis said:

I'm not convinced that Edozie will fancy dropping back to The Championship (especially with a club who supposedly didn't treat him great at this summer), given he's playing Europa League football. Anderlecht are currently 3rd in that too, above Man United, Tottenham, Roma, Porto, Ajax, Galatasaray, etc... so I expect he's quite enjoying himself away from us

Even in the Championship we can offer bigger wages than Anderlecht. Clubs on the continent who'd what him wouldn't be able to afford him for both transfer and wages. Martin  messing him around is irrelevant to what Juric or any new manager does with him this summer. Fresh slate for him at Saints hopefully!

[FarehamSaintJames]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Juric wasn’t here next season. Surely a new technical director coming in might have their own ideas, ways of working, football strategy etc.

[Fabrice29]

8 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Yes.....a number of the "mass" of signings (quantity over quality) that we made over the Summer seem to fit into this category and never really given a chance in the team. And those that were, were mis-used, and/or played out of position. I do get the feeling that RM didn't have a massive amount of input into the transfer dealing before the season started or he just didn't know what he was doing......

Pretty sure Taylor was signed with the idea that both Manning and/or KWP were going to leave and when neither materialised we found ourselves with more left backs than expected. Taylor became the victim of the club trying to be proactive. 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Might as well sell him now if someone offers the cash. 

Therein lies the problem - we all know it will not be a lump sum but stage payments.

[2Morrow]

Baz

Edwards Bednarek Wood

Bree Aribo Downes Charles Manning

New Physical CF Archer/Armstrong 

Is a perfectly serviceable play off hopeful side.

Two of our best players (THB and Downes) were new signings last time, and an unexpected stay (KWP) could happen (e.g do we need to sell all of Ramsdale/THB/Fernandes/Dibling? When we will probably get some money back on Sulemana, Brereton Diaz, Edozie Onuachu)

Add Gronbaek and some more quality and we'll do well again

[Lee On Solent Saint]

49 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Pretty sure Taylor was signed with the idea that both Manning and/or KWP were going to leave and when neither materialised we found ourselves with more left backs than expected. Taylor became the victim of the club trying to be proactive. 

KWP is a right back, Charlie Taylor is a left back. The problem was the signing of Sugawara, he was supposed to take KWP's place. To faciliate both, Martin played KWP on the left. 

[Matthew Le God]

34 minutes ago, saintant said:

Therein lies the problem - we all know it will not be a lump sum but stage payments.

Why is that a problem? Most transfers are in staged payments. So we use our incoming staged payments to pay for outgoing staged payments. It is guaranteed income, so not an issue.

[Badger]

39 minutes ago, saintant said:

Therein lies the problem - we all know it will not be a lump sum but stage payments.

Or even worse a Tommy Forecast level player in return as a sweetener and part payment.

 

[Fabrice29]

5 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

KWP is a right back, Charlie Taylor is a left back. The problem was the signing of Sugawara, he was supposed to take KWP's place. To faciliate both, Martin played KWP on the left. 

Thank you for explaining who KWP and Charlie Taylor are  

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, St Louis said:

I'm not convinced that Edozie will fancy dropping back to The Championship (especially with a club who supposedly didn't treat him great last summer), given he's playing Europa League football. Anderlecht are currently 3rd in that too, above Man United, Tottenham, Roma, Porto, Ajax, Galatasaray, etc... so I expect he's quite enjoying himself away from us

I'd quite enjoy myself being away from us too Sadly, we don't get the choice. 🙂

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, 2Morrow said:

Baz

 

[verlaine1979]

Lol wasn't Gyokeres rated as not good enough for us by some on here as he only played for Coventry?

[CB Fry]

9 minutes ago, verlaine1979 said:

Lol wasn't Gyokeres rated as not good enough for us by some on here as he only played for Coventry?

Not really no.

We couldn't afford him and he wasn't going to join another Championship club at that point in his career.

[Disco Stu]

The striker we wouldn't fork out the cash for, Yuri Alberto, looks set to sign for West Ham. Ended his season at Corinthians in electric form. 14 goals in his last 10 games. Rumoured to be £20m.

Edited yesterday at 20:46 by Disco Stu

[verlaine1979]

Ah I thought his name first came up during the summer 22 window when we ended up with Mara and still no obvious target man.

[Master Bates]

EDIT...

 

Sorry, didnt have a link for this post/rumour/news, sorry @Fabrice29

Edited yesterday at 20:20 by Master Bates

[Disco Stu]

11 minutes ago, Master Bates said:

Shea Charles back to Sheff Weds (not even left yet lol), £250kish.

Good decision. He's developing well there and moving him to a promotion contender will only create another Tella situation.

Edited yesterday at 20:20 by Disco Stu

[Master Bates]

2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

Good decision. He's developing well there and moving him to a promotion contender will only create another Tella situation.

Can you please delete the quote, there's no links.

[Disco Stu]

6 minutes ago, Master Bates said:

Can you please delete the quote, there's no links.

No.

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

I see he's now deleted it but thought I'd take a look on a Sheff Wed forum after reading 'Master Bates' post to see if they were saying anything. Nothing about going back but interesting to read one post:

"The situation is this 

Röhl was approached by reps of Southampton about the post but was asked to walk away from SWFC so Southampton had to pay NOTHING. Röhl refused.

Southampton are guilty of an illegal tap up and at NO point approached SWFC and this was relayed to the FA by SWFC. 

Southampton informed Charles that a recall was not going ahead on the Wed before the Forum this was relayed to members of the first team by him. 

After being informed by the FA of the TAP up complaint Southampton then recalled Charles with 20 mins left on the deadline.

Charles has informed Southampton that he requests to finish the season loan and that he does not want to join Sheff Utd due to the treatment he got in the derby by members of the UTd sq

Also Southampton will only get 25% of any sell value because inserted into the deal to take him to Southampton  was a 75% payment to City"

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/336439-charles-southampton/page/6/#comments

Edit: Just seen this thread

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/336434-s-charles-looking-more-positive/#comments

Edited yesterday at 20:36 by TheAlehouseBrawlers
Bit more info

[Football Special]

6 minutes ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

I see he's now deleted it but thought I'd take a look on a Sheff Wed forum after reading 'Master Bates' post to see if they were saying anything. Nothing about going back but interesting to read one post:

"The situation is this 

Röhl was approached by reps of Southampton about the post but was asked to walk away from SWFC so Southampton had to pay NOTHING. Röhl refused.

Southampton are guilty of an illegal tap up and at NO point approached SWFC and this was relayed to the FA by SWFC. 

Southampton informed Charles that a recall was not going ahead on the Wed before the Forum this was relayed to members of the first team by him. 

After being informed by the FA of the TAP up complaint Southampton then recalled Charles with 20 mins left on the deadline.

Charles has informed Southampton that he requests to finish the season loan and that he does not want to join Sheff Utd due to the treatment he got in the derby by members of the UTd sq

Also Southampton will only get 25% of any sell value because inserted into the deal to take him to Southampton  was a 75% payment to City"

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/336439-charles-southampton/page/6/#comments

Was believable until they claimed Man City have 75% sell on ,  discredits whole post 

[Harry_SFC]

10 minutes ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

I see he's now deleted it but thought I'd take a look on a Sheff Wed forum after reading 'Master Bates' post to see if they were saying anything. Nothing about going back but interesting to read one post:

"The situation is this 

Röhl was approached by reps of Southampton about the post but was asked to walk away from SWFC so Southampton had to pay NOTHING. Röhl refused.

Southampton are guilty of an illegal tap up and at NO point approached SWFC and this was relayed to the FA by SWFC. 

Southampton informed Charles that a recall was not going ahead on the Wed before the Forum this was relayed to members of the first team by him. 

After being informed by the FA of the TAP up complaint Southampton then recalled Charles with 20 mins left on the deadline.

Charles has informed Southampton that he requests to finish the season loan and that he does not want to join Sheff Utd due to the treatment he got in the derby by members of the UTd sq

Also Southampton will only get 25% of any sell value because inserted into the deal to take him to Southampton  was a 75% payment to City"

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/336439-charles-southampton/page/6/#comments

Edit: Just seen this thread

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/336434-s-charles-looking-more-positive/#comments

To be fair it wouldn't surprise me. This is what we did with Martin. Good old SR. 

[saintant]

3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Why is that a problem? Most transfers are in staged payments. So we use our incoming staged payments to pay for outgoing staged payments. It is guaranteed income, so not an issue.

So you don't think staged payments are to the advantage of the richest clubs and to the detriment of poor clubs like us then? Ok 🙂

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, saintant said:

So you don't think staged payments are to the advantage of the richest clubs and to the detriment of poor clubs like us then? Ok 🙂

No, for the reasons I've outlined. Plus given we've spent £260m+ over the last 2 Premier League seasons we aren't 'poor' within world football.

Edited yesterday at 20:48 by Matthew Le God

[Master Bates]

16 minutes ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

I see he's now deleted it but thought I'd take a look on a Sheff Wed forum after reading 'Master Bates' post to see if they were saying anything. Nothing about going back but interesting to read one post:

Had no choice, couldn't find any links available for me to post up about it yet.

Gonna be strange for U21 matches, i'll need a link first before saying there's been a goal.

[Badger]

13 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

To be fair it wouldn't surprise me. This is what we did with Martin. Good old SR. 

Very poor on our part, if true, in my view.

Have to question if a manager on a contract could simply resign and walk away from his club. Would have expected notice periods etc to protect the club, otherwise managers would do this every time a better option comes up. 

Edited yesterday at 20:57 by Badger

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

9 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Was believable until they claimed Man City have 75% sell on ,  discredits whole post 

Yeah, sounds a bit far-fetched

7 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

To be fair it wouldn't surprise me. This is what we did with Martin. Good old SR. 

The Swansea shenanigans gets a few mentions on there and that post does smack of someone just coming up with a scenario based on that. Pinch of salt.

[Badger]

12 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Was believable until they claimed Man City have 75% sell on ,  discredits whole post 

I’d like to think that is crap, but with SR there’s no telling. Weren’t there similar stories about the terms on which we signed Livramento and how Chelsea benefited more from his sale to Newcastle than we did ?
 

 

[Saint1963]

21 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Was believable until they claimed Man City have 75% sell on ,  discredits whole post 

Probably 25% of profit to city which wouldn’t be unusual no way would it be 75% 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Master Bates said:

Had no choice, couldn't find any links available for me to post up about it yet.

Gonna be strange for U21 matches, i'll need a link first before saying there's been a goal.

I read some posts about links. They looked to be in a language I understood. I thought I could read the words. I have no idea what that was about. 🙂

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

No, for the reasons I've outlined. Plus given we've spent £260m+ over the last 2 Premier League seasons we aren't 'poor' within world football.

Why are you mentioning world football? Our transfers can only be compared with our peers in the Premier League and, in that sphere, we can be classed as poor.

[Turkish]

6 hours ago, saintant said:

Therein lies the problem - we all know it will not be a lump sum but stage payments.

As are 99% of transfers 

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

I’d like to think that is crap, but with SR there’s no telling. Weren’t there similar stories about the terms on which we signed Livramento and how Chelsea benefited more from his sale to Newcastle than we did ?
 

 

The reports were that Chelsea had a sliding scale percentage of profits. The higher price we sold him for the greater percentage they got. He was sold for £32m plus £5m of add ons (apparently) and Chelsea got about £15m of that. They obviously also got £5m from the original sale to us too.

[Turkish]

32 minutes ago, saintant said:

Why are you mentioning world football? Our transfers can only be compared with our peers in the Premier League and, in that sphere, we can be classed as poor.

MLG is right for once. Most transfers are done this way paid over the period of the contract, we’ll sell players this way but also we’ll be buying like it too. I don’t really see why that’s an issue or how it leaves us at a disadvantage against bigger clubs or benefits us over smaller clubs. 

[EBS1980]

2 hours ago, Football Special said:

Was believable until they claimed Man City have 75% sell on ,  discredits whole post 

No way that’s true. You don’t spend £15M on a player to give a 75% sell on fee lol. Talking selling for £60M plus just to break even. 
 

25% sell on fee on profit made maybe 

[Saint_clark]

4 hours ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

I see he's now deleted it but thought I'd take a look on a Sheff Wed forum after reading 'Master Bates' post to see if they were saying anything. Nothing about going back but interesting to read one post:

"The situation is this 

Röhl was approached by reps of Southampton about the post but was asked to walk away from SWFC so Southampton had to pay NOTHING. Röhl refused.

Southampton are guilty of an illegal tap up and at NO point approached SWFC and this was relayed to the FA by SWFC. 

Southampton informed Charles that a recall was not going ahead on the Wed before the Forum this was relayed to members of the first team by him. 

After being informed by the FA of the TAP up complaint Southampton then recalled Charles with 20 mins left on the deadline.

Charles has informed Southampton that he requests to finish the season loan and that he does not want to join Sheff Utd due to the treatment he got in the derby by members of the UTd sq

Also Southampton will only get 25% of any sell value because inserted into the deal to take him to Southampton  was a 75% payment to City"

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/336439-charles-southampton/page/6/#comments

Edit: Just seen this thread

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/336434-s-charles-looking-more-positive/#comments

Is there even such a thing as an illegal approach for a manager? I know you technically need the clubs permission to speak to players (where did that rule go the last 10 years?) but I don't think such a rule exists for managers. 

[Fabrice29]

8 hours ago, Master Bates said:

Can you please delete the quote, there's no links.

I think you’ve taken that to heart a bit hun. Anyway here’s your info for this one, from 6pm so you can pop it back up now.
 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

I think you’ve taken that to heart a bit hun. Anyway here’s your info for this one, from 6pm so you can pop it back up now.
 

 

Really? He signed for us for £10.5m on a four year deal plus annual wages. In half a season his value will have dropped by at least one eighth of that so just over £1.3m.

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Really? He signed for us for £10.5m on a four year deal plus annual wages. In half a season his value will have dropped by at least one eighth of that so just over £1.3m.

I think that particular screenshot was written off on the Sheff Wed site.

[Weston Super Saint]

8 hours ago, saintant said:

Why are you mentioning world football? Our transfers can only be compared with our peers in the Premier League and, in that sphere, we can be classed as poor.

The world is our lobster Rodders.

We don't have to deal 'exclusively' with PL teams and can buy players from almost the entire world, so comparing our wealth on a global scale is entirely relevant.