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leesaint88

leesaint88

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  On 13/01/2025 at 08:03, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Bit difficult this one. Could he still be an asset for us next season?

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Agree. Certainly has improved since he's been here so if anything it might be a loan. After which we can see another amusing Burnley #freetella style campaign. 

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spyinthesky

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  On 13/01/2025 at 08:20, woodsaint1 said:

If he wanted to sign a new contract with us he would have done so already. Being a free agent means he can get a bigger pay day as clubs arent paying a fee for him. 

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I guess he (or his agent) is looking for a Prem side to take him on where he could demand higher wages as no transfer fee involved.
I believe he is currently some distance away from the top earners at SMS and is likely to have a % reduction (40-50%?) when Saints are relegated.
Real shame as he has been an excellent signing for us and seems a decent chap.

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goodymatt

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Leicester closing in on Woyo Coulibaly from Parma. Surely that ends their KWP interest? Although I expect them to be joining us in the championship so I don’t see why he’d have left us to go there anyway? I’d imagine a few PL clubs would be interested in him as a free agent, can’t see him signing a new contract. If we had survived this season, he might have been convinced.

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Dman

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  On 13/01/2025 at 10:56, goodymatt said:

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I don't see any way he comes back in. Unless Downes' injury is more serious than previously let on (wasn't it claimed to be a dead leg?). 

With Les getting more game time and strating to show the promise we expected to see from him, Downes to come back and Airbo (dare i say even Smallbone) we have plenty of cover in CM. 

Let him see his time out there and come back next season as a vitial part of our midfield next to Downes. 

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Dman

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  On 13/01/2025 at 11:41, goodymatt said:

Looks like Burnley have enquired about loaning Manning only.

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Depends on how highly they rate that Wellington, but hes injured currently, manning is our only natural left footed wingback, so I'd say no deal. 

Playing KWP there limits our width down the left. He either plays on the right or not at all for me. 

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goodymatt

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  On 13/01/2025 at 11:50, Dman said:

Depends on how highly they rate that Wellington, but hes injured currently, manning is our only natural left footed wingback, so I'd say no deal. 

Playing KWP there limits our width down the left. He either plays on the right or not at all for me. 

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Think I would keep Manning unless Welington is seen as first choice too. Welington has played for the u21s vs Fulham so hopefully not far away from being available to the first team.

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Baird of the land

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  On 13/01/2025 at 10:56, goodymatt said:

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I'm desperately hoping we call him back. Think we are exceptionally weak in midfield and would love to see him used properly in midfield for us. Have a feeling it will be another tella situation where spend the rest of the season bemoaning our CM options while he continues to excel at Wednesday.

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Badger

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  On 13/01/2025 at 11:50, Dman said:

Depends on how highly they rate that Wellington, but hes injured currently, manning is our only natural left footed wingback, so I'd say no deal. 

Playing KWP there limits our width down the left. He either plays on the right or not at all for me. 

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:mcinnes:

Where have I heard this before ?

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leesaint88

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  On 13/01/2025 at 11:50, Dman said:

Depends on how highly they rate that Wellington, but hes injured currently, manning is our only natural left footed wingback, so I'd say no deal. 

Playing KWP there limits our width down the left. He either plays on the right or not at all for me. 

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Really? Because he managed 45 minutes for the U21's a few days ago...

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Chez

Chez

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  On 13/01/2025 at 08:21, ErwinK1961 said:

The only conceivable way this happens is if we agree to include a relatively low release clause for the summer (£7-10m?). Stops him going for free and doesn’t take a huge offer for him to leave.

But after he didn’t get his move last time after relegation, can’t see him agreeing to do that. Plus, he’ll get a handsome signing on fee whoever he goes to if he leaves on a free.

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The only reason he signs for us, is if no one else in the Prem fancies him.  If that is the case - when he is availabe for free - then a low release clause won't be of much point. 

 

 

Chez

Chez

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  On 13/01/2025 at 11:50, Dman said:

Depends on how highly they rate that Wellington, but hes injured currently, manning is our only natural left footed wingback, so I'd say no deal. 

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We also have Taylor and Larios, so simply on a numbers basis, too many players at left back for a Championship side to be paying.

CB stockpiling is even worse of course, although if we are now always playing three at the back a little less so. 

 

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Chez

Chez

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  On 13/01/2025 at 12:41, Baird of the land said:

I'm desperately hoping we call him back. Think we are exceptionally weak in midfield and would love to see him used properly in midfield for us. Have a feeling it will be another tella situation where spend the rest of the season bemoaning our CM options while he continues to excel at Wednesday.

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You'd think Juric would want to see him play to know if he is in his plans for next season. I guess Charles being out on loan means he will play games and Juric or whoeever can watch those games to assess him. 

Master Bates

Master Bates

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  On 13/01/2025 at 11:50, Dman said:

Depends on how highly they rate that Wellington, but hes injured currently, manning is our only natural left footed wingback, so I'd say no deal. 

Playing KWP there limits our width down the left. He either plays on the right or not at all for me. 

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Didn't play too bad the other day for an injured player. 

Guest

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I’d be amazed if KWP stayed.

Ryan Manning I would happily keep, he’s been one of the better players this season.

WALK DMC

WALK DMC

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  On 13/01/2025 at 13:38, Chez said:

We also have Taylor and Larios, so simply on a numbers basis, too many players at left back for a Championship side to be paying.

CB stockpiling is even worse of course, although if we are now always playing three at the back a little less so. 

 

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You're right, although I doubt Larios will ever return from his series of injuries which have been over 2 years now. Maybe his only hope is to change his name to Lazarus. 

Charlie Taylor is better as a LB in a back 4, or LCB, so could play a role complementing a LWB such as Manning or Welington. 

benjii

benjii

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Get Meghoma back on loan next year? Doubt he'll get many Prem minutes.

If we kept Manning / Taylor / Larios, we'd have to sign another left back on promotion anyway.

bugenhagen

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If Wellington was good enough/an upgrade he would not have gone to the U21...

He is not here to play, he is (like, oh, so many others) not good enough to strengthen our starting 11. Probably end up on loan somewhere.

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WALK DMC

WALK DMC

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  On 13/01/2025 at 18:05, bugenhagen said:

If Wellington was good enough/an upgrade he would not have gone to the U21...

He is not here to play, he is (like, oh, so many others) not good enough to strengthen our starting 11. Probably end up on loan somewhere.

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The interview with him when his signing was announced stated that he wasn't able to complete the Brazilian season due to injury but was working hard to regain fitness. The implication was that once he was fit again he would be challenging for a place in the 1st team. Your suggestion may yet prove correct, but at the moment that's not the message coming from the club.  He also has far more senior experience than Joachim Kayi Sanda so I'd be surprised if we don't see him in the Saints team this season particularly as we are light on strong LWBs. I guess that we'll find out in the next month or so.

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Chez

Chez

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  On 13/01/2025 at 18:05, bugenhagen said:

If Wellington was good enough/an upgrade he would not have gone to the U21...

He is not here to play, he is (like, oh, so many others) not good enough to strengthen our starting 11. Probably end up on loan somewhere.

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I don't understand the signing. We had Manning and signed Taylor. Why then sign Wellington, meaning we had three left backs, unless they expected Manning to depart in January? 

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bugenhagen

bugenhagen

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  On 13/01/2025 at 18:28, Matthew Le God said:

He played for the u21s because the Brazilian ended in early December and he needs to get up to speed.

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I respectfully disagree. He may need to get up to speed, but for what? To be available as 3rd choice? If he was an improvement, he would go straight in the first team.

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disconnect

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  On 13/01/2025 at 17:13, Master Bates said:

Joachim Kayi Sanda set to join Goztepe on loan til the end of the season a week after signing.

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Is this for real?! All of these players, we would've been better off just getting one £20 million midfielder or striker than 5 players for Goztepe in the hope one might come good... How many are they allowed from one club? I guess the Lis transfer was a gift (cheers!) and then Matzuki and Juan on loan, and Victor Hugo our option to buy but playing for them? Is it because we can't get work permits for the others? Presumably Kayi Sanda no problem on that front. 

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 13/01/2025 at 18:42, bugenhagen said:

I respectfully disagree. He may need to get up to speed, but for what? To be available as 3rd choice? If he was an improvement, he would go straight in the first team.

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How do you know where they view him in the pecking order? He hadn't played for a month and needs gametime. 

santolijador

santolijador

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  On 13/01/2025 at 19:02, disconnect said:

Is this for real?! All of these players, we would've been better off just getting one £20 million midfielder or striker than 5 players for Goztepe in the hope one might come good... How many are they allowed from one club? I guess the Lis transfer was a gift (cheers!) and then Matzuki and Juan on loan, and Victor Hugo our option to buy but playing for them? Is it because we can't get work permits for the others? Presumably Kayi Sanda no problem on that front. 

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It's not for real. Alfie House has confirmed that nothing in that link and Kayi Sanda is staying at Saints. 

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bugenhagen

bugenhagen

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  On 13/01/2025 at 19:12, Matthew Le God said:

How do you know where they view him in the pecking order? He hadn't played for a month and needs gametime. 

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Alcaraz signed on the 11th, and made his debut on the 14th.

Thats what happens when we sign a player who is good enough to improve the starting 11.

I guess we will just have to wait and see, but my money goes on more waiting than seeing 😉

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 13/01/2025 at 20:11, bugenhagen said:

Alcaraz signed on the 11th, and made his debut on the 14th.

Thats what happens when we sign a player who is good enough to improve the starting 11.

I guess we will just have to wait and see, but my money goes on more waiting than seeing 😉

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Welington is not currently injured, but he missed the final eight games of the season with a hamstring injury. He needs gametime more than Alcaraz did.

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Chez

Chez

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  On 13/01/2025 at 20:13, BARCELONASAINT said:

Goztepe don't need Joachim SANDA, they are doing very nicely with our other players we sent them! Won 5-0 this evening, Juan scored and Matsuki got an assist

 

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Maybe long term we can really benefit from the multi club system?

Sparkkyy

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  On 13/01/2025 at 19:23, Matthew Le God said:

 

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So there’s a possibility that no clubs will be issued with disciplinary charges according to that headline. The actual video implies there is a possibility but it’s a little vague. Classic Sky. 

ErwinK1961

ErwinK1961

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  On 13/01/2025 at 20:33, Sparkkyy said:

So there’s a possibility that no clubs will be issued with disciplinary charges according to that headline. The actual video implies there is a possibility but it’s a little vague. Classic Sky. 

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Kieran Maguire on the radio earlier said that the clubs who were skirting the lines were the ones doing the dodgy academy player sales in the summer (Forest, Villa, Newcastle etc) but they all believe they’ve complied. 

He also said that clubs should actively look to break FFP rules to stay up, because the financial benefit far outweighs the penalty.

Harry_SFC

Harry_SFC

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  On 13/01/2025 at 20:39, ErwinK1961 said:

Kieran Maguire on the radio earlier said that the clubs who were skirting the lines were the ones doing the dodgy academy player sales in the summer (Forest, Villa, Newcastle etc) but they all believe they’ve complied. 

He also said that clubs should actively look to break FFP rules to stay up, because the financial benefit far outweighs the penalty.

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Breaking the rules is something I've previously suggested. Would be no point with SR in charge though as they'd overspend and somehow make us worse. 

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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  On 13/01/2025 at 20:39, ErwinK1961 said:

Kieran Maguire on the radio earlier said that the clubs who were skirting the lines were the ones doing the dodgy academy player sales in the summer (Forest, Villa, Newcastle etc) but they all believe they’ve complied. 

He also said that clubs should actively look to break FFP rules to stay up, because the financial benefit far outweighs the penalty.

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The last time I heard him, last week, he mentioned Leicester too. But he said that the inability of the PL and EFL to clearly lay out their own rules gave them an out before, and may do so again.

The not at all suspicious high value player trading in the summer was designed to get the others off the hook.

VectisSaint

VectisSaint

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  On 13/01/2025 at 11:10, Dman said:

I don't see any way he comes back in. Unless Downes' injury is more serious than previously let on (wasn't it claimed to be a dead leg?). 

With Les getting more game time and strating to show the promise we expected to see from him, Downes to come back and Airbo (dare i say even Smallbone) we have plenty of cover in CM. 

Let him see his time out there and come back next season as a vitial part of our midfield next to Downes. 

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Dead leg basically finished Gaston Ramirez's career (in England at least). 

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