January Transfer Window 2025

[goodymatt]

30 minutes ago, Bobsmith said:

I'm not on the Juric out train after such a short period of time, with a substandard group of players. Lets judge him at the end of Feb once he's had time to instil his style of play into the team.

Personally I think it would be more sensible to try and buy some top quality players for next season now. We are really the only premier league team that can prepare for the championship now and there will be increased competition in May (including from the newly promoted teams), we are still a premier league team so anyone that comes to us can still showcase themselves for 6 months in the top flight, and it gives us time to bed the players into the team, so they can hit the ground running next season. 

If you’re a top championship player for example, do you hold out for the summer in the hope that a newly promoted PL team will take you. Full season is a bigger shop window and likely higher wages for longer. Or do you move now knowing you are 100% going to be back in the championship in August. It’s a hard sell!

I’d personally sell/loan anyone we can that isn’t in our plans to reduce our wage bill as much as possible. Recall Charles from his loan to give us much needed competition in a position we need more numbers. Cornet appears to be going back to WHU so we have one domestic loan plus international loan options. That has to be the way we look to improve the starting 11 and give players a window with no ties to next season.

Plan for next season, reduce wage bill, avoid lowest ever points total.

[hypochondriac]

12 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

If you’re a top championship player for example, do you hold out for the summer in the hope that a newly promoted PL team will take you. Full season is a bigger shop window and likely higher wages for longer. Or do you move now knowing you are 100% going to be back in the championship in August. It’s a hard sell!

I’d personally sell/loan anyone we can that isn’t in our plans to reduce our wage bill as much as possible. Recall Charles from his loan to give us much needed competition in a position we need more numbers. Cornet appears to be going back to WHU so we have one domestic loan plus international loan options. That has to be the way we look to improve the starting 11 and give players a window with no ties to next season.

Plan for next season, reduce wage bill, avoid lowest ever points total.

Recalling Charles is a no brainer. We won't get anyone better and we need to do what we can to maybe hang onto him for another season or at the worst maximise his value. Maybe get a young promising loanee in who might consider staying with us for next year. Everything should be geared towards next season and there is no point in wasting money on a player who won't be staying anyway. The only reason to get someone in not for next year is if we have a specific job for someone for next year and we can test out the system with that type of player. 

[Turkish]

22 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

If you’re a top championship player for example, do you hold out for the summer in the hope that a newly promoted PL team will take you. Full season is a bigger shop window and likely higher wages for longer. Or do you move now knowing you are 100% going to be back in the championship in August. It’s a hard sell!

I’d personally sell/loan anyone we can that isn’t in our plans to reduce our wage bill as much as possible. Recall Charles from his loan to give us much needed competition in a position we need more numbers. Cornet appears to be going back to WHU so we have one domestic loan plus international loan options. That has to be the way we look to improve the starting 11 and give players a window with no ties to next season.

Plan for next season, reduce wage bill, avoid lowest ever points total.

its at times like this players should be asking themselves "What would James Bree do?"

[saintant]

On 03/01/2025 at 17:52, Sarnia Cherie said:

And people pay money to read and listen to his claptrap! They want their heads testing. He's an embarrassment at our club. Just looking at him makes my fingers itch. 

Mugs continue to buy his snake oil and Dragan/Southampton FC are among his best customers.

[Bobsmith]

1 hour ago, goodymatt said:

If you’re a top championship player for example, do you hold out for the summer in the hope that a newly promoted PL team will take you. Full season is a bigger shop window and likely higher wages for longer. Or do you move now knowing you are 100% going to be back in the championship in August. It’s a hard sell!

I’d personally sell/loan anyone we can that isn’t in our plans to reduce our wage bill as much as possible. Recall Charles from his loan to give us much needed competition in a position we need more numbers. Cornet appears to be going back to WHU so we have one domestic loan plus international loan options. That has to be the way we look to improve the starting 11 and give players a window with no ties to next season.

Plan for next season, reduce wage bill, avoid lowest ever points total.

My point is that we are in a stronger place now than we are in 6 months time. Officially being a championship club in 6 months, plus the stronger competition from other relegated/promoted sides means that this could be the best time to strengthen. 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I keep reading that Saints should "clear out all the dead wood in January" but I wonder if anyone has actually ever managed to sell any dead wood in the middle of January?

Not sure there is a long line of managers or DoFs banging our door down all clamouring to get their hands on our "dead wood" either.

Similarly, despite what the last poster, Bobsmith says "this could be the best time to strengthen" doesn't hold water because who in their right mind is going to want to join what is quite literally a sinking (fast) ship?

The situation is dire and calls for drastic action but judging by the empty Director's Box on Saturday it seems a few of the people capable of taking decisions have already jumped.

Edited Monday at 12:55 by Fitzhugh Fella

[OldNick]

On 03/01/2025 at 12:31, miserableoldgit said:

There were quite a few on here that wanted us to sign BBD......although they are quiet now, so I am not sure that most fans opinions really count for that much.....

I wasnt gagging to sign him, but I did feel he would do better. I do believe that the Newcastle event really did stuff him with his feign

[hypochondriac]

BBD 

Onuachu 

Sulemana 

ABK 

KWP 

Leaving in January would be great business TBH. Gives us less to do in the summer. 

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I keep reading that Saints should "clear out all the dead wood in January".......

 

Would we have anybody left, other than Dibling, THB, and Ramsdale ?

[hypochondriac]

On 03/01/2025 at 12:31, miserableoldgit said:

There were quite a few on here that wanted us to sign BBD......although they are quiet now, so I am not sure that most fans opinions really count for that much.....

My view with BBD was that once we lost out on Delap there wasn't much else that we could afford and I thought he was worth a go. He's turned out to be much worse than I thought. 

[Baird of the land]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Recalling Charles is a no brainer. We won't get anyone better and we need to do what we can to maybe hang onto him for another season or at the worst maximise his value. Maybe get a young promising loanee in who might consider staying with us for next year. Everything should be geared towards next season and there is no point in wasting money on a player who won't be staying anyway. The only reason to get someone in not for next year is if we have a specific job for someone for next year and we can test out the system with that type of player. 

At this stage i'm waiting for a repeat of the whole Tella debacle. We badly need a CM, we've got a young international CM doing well out on loan in championship. So We'll refuse to recall him and flog him in the summer. 

[miserableoldgit]

4 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I wasnt gagging to sign him, but I did feel he would do better. I do believe that the Newcastle event really did stuff him with his feign

It is a general thing with some fans. I also remember a number of fans wanting DCC (and various other players that we have gone on to sign). That also went well......

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Baird of the land said:

At this stage i'm waiting for a repeat of the whole Tella debacle. We badly need a CM, we've got a young international CM doing well out on loan in championship. So We'll refuse to recall him and flog him in the summer. 

It might be that he will want to leave at any rate. If that is the case then it makes even more case to get him back. A combination of Big Les, Downes and Charles in the middle might get us above Derby's total which is what matters at this point. 

[benjii]

I really don't see the point in bringing Charles back. It's not going to make a material difference to us. Let him enjoy the rest of the season.

[SaintLondon]

I genuinely don’t even know where to start with this transfer window. The idea of clearing out ‘dead wood’ sounds good in theory, but as has been discussed before, how realistic is that? Moving players on is far easier said than done. With the season effectively over for us, what’s the value in bringing in short-term options at this stage? It feels like a plaster on a much deeper wound.

Looking at the bigger picture, we’re an absolute basket case of a club right now. It’s hard to imagine us being attractive to the kind of calibre we really need to rebuild. I think we’re going to face far more situations like Delap’s - where bids are accepted but players ultimately turn us down. And who could blame them?

The lack of cohesion and clear direction in the way we’re managed is honestly quite disheartening. The whole operation feels so disjointed that it’s difficult to see how we make meaningful progress anytime soon. Without significant changes at a fundamental level, it’s hard to muster much optimism about the future.

This isn’t just about this window; it’s about the long-term health of the club, and right now, it feels like we’re spiralling.

[notnowcato]

2 hours ago, Bobsmith said:

 

Personally I think it would be more sensible to try and buy some top quality players for next season now. We are really the only premier league team that can prepare for the championship now and there will be increased competition in May (including from the newly promoted teams), we are still a premier league team so anyone that comes to us can still showcase themselves for 6 months in the top flight, and it gives us time to bed the players into the team, so they can hit the ground running next season. 

Think we did all our business for next season in the previous transfer window 😂

[miserableoldgit]

44 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Would we have anybody left, other than Dibling, THB, and Ramsdale ?

KWP?

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I keep reading that Saints should "clear out all the dead wood in January" but I wonder if anyone has actually ever managed to sell any dead wood in the middle of January?

Not sure there is a long line of managers or DoFs banging our door down all clamouring to get their hands on our "dead wood" either.

Similarly, despite what the last poster, Bobsmith says "this could be the best time to strengthen" doesn't hold water because who in their right mind is going to want to join what is quite literally a sinking (fast) ship?

The situation is dire and calls for drastic action but judging by the empty Director's Box on Saturday it seems a few of the people capable of taking decisions have already jumped.

We've not even been able to clear out deadwood in the summer windows, hence why we're stuck with Sulemana, Onachcho, ABK etc. Remember we had to pay Carillo to leave so few teams wanted him, had to sell the likes of Lemina, Lyanco and Djenepo at knock down prices and even worse people like Hoedt, Boufal Redmond, Adams and Long who no one would buy so we had to let them run down their contracts or loan them out until they were available for free. A lot of these players cost significant sums of money by our standards, but some we cant sell, some we've sold to whoever will take them, some we couldn't even give away. It's never ending conveyor belt of shite signings.

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Bobsmith said:

My point is that we are in a stronger place now than we are in 6 months time. Officially being a championship club in 6 months, plus the stronger competition from other relegated/promoted sides means that this could be the best time to strengthen. 

We are effectively a championship club already. Which means we are competing for players with the likes of Leeds and Sheffield United. And we are probably going to lose that battle too. If you were say Ben Sheaf at Cov, would you sign for Leeds or Saints in January?

Come the summer, we (and our parachute payment) become attractive again. 

[miserableoldgit]

7 minutes ago, Chez said:

We are effectively a championship club already. Which means we are competing for players with the likes of Leeds and Sheffield United. And we are probably going to lose that battle too. If you were say Ben Sheaf at Cov, would you sign for Leeds or Saints in January?

Come the summer, we (and our parachute payment) become attractive again. 

Are Parachute Payments still a thing? 

[Chez]

51 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

I genuinely don’t even know where to start with this transfer window. The idea of clearing out ‘dead wood’ sounds good in theory, but as has been discussed before, how realistic is that? Moving players on is far easier said than done. With the season effectively over for us, what’s the value in bringing in short-term options at this stage? It feels like a plaster on a much deeper wound.

Looking at the bigger picture, we’re an absolute basket case of a club right now. It’s hard to imagine us being attractive to the kind of calibre we really need to rebuild. I think we’re going to face far more situations like Delap’s - where bids are accepted but players ultimately turn us down. And who could blame them?

The lack of cohesion and clear direction in the way we’re managed is honestly quite disheartening. The whole operation feels so disjointed that it’s difficult to see how we make meaningful progress anytime soon. Without significant changes at a fundamental level, it’s hard to muster much optimism about the future.

This isn’t just about this window; it’s about the long-term health of the club, and right now, it feels like we’re spiralling.

I agree, in this window there is very little we can do other than look to bolster the u21s which can pay off in the long term.

However, come the summer we will be once again an attractive option, at least for a certain level of player. We were a basket case last time we went down, but still attracted Manning, Fraser, THB, Downes and Brooks that were good enough to get us promoted. 

Now, whether the manager and support team can turn this ship around as Martin managed to do, is a different question.

 

Edited Monday at 14:28 by Chez

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Are Parachute Payments still a thing? 

What do you mean? 

The £120m+ TV and prize money we'll get in the prem this year will be replaced by £40m+ 'parachute payment' next season and, if we haven't got promoted, about £36m the following season...

So, income is reduced massively, but that £40m+ means you can pay players a lot more than the other championship sides can.

[Chez]

26 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We've not even been able to clear out deadwood in the summer windows, hence why we're stuck with Sulemana, Onachcho, ABK etc. Remember we had to pay Carillo to leave so few teams wanted him, had to sell the likes of Lemina, Lyanco and Djenepo at knock down prices and even worse people like Hoedt, Boufal Redmond, Adams and Long who no one would buy so we had to let them run down their contracts or loan them out until they were available for free. A lot of these players cost significant sums of money by our standards, but some we cant sell, some we've sold to whoever will take them, some we couldn't even give away. It's never ending conveyor belt of shite signings.

Shit signings at our level and size of club hurt you for years. Same for every prem team I guess. Only way around it is not to sign shit on the first place. Sadly the good players we have identified, like Gakpo, have had better options.

[revolution saint]

8 minutes ago, Chez said:

What do you mean? 

The £120m+ TV and prize money we'll get in the prem this year will be replaced by £40m+ 'parachute payment' next season and, if we haven't got promoted, about £36m the following season...

So, income is reduced massively, but that £40m+ means you can pay players a lot more than the other championship sides can.

Must admit I'm not up on the parachute payments.  I thought the number of years you get of payments varied upon the length of time you stayed up?  If you're relegated in the first season I thought you only got one year of payments?  I'm probably completely wrong on that though.

[Chez]

23 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Must admit I'm not up on the parachute payments.  I thought the number of years you get of payments varied upon the length of time you stayed up?  If you're relegated in the first season I thought you only got one year of payments?  I'm probably completely wrong on that though.

Relegated sides from the Prem get four years of parachute payments - which decrease each of those four years. The only time you don't get four years, is if you get promoted back to the Prem, one, two or three years after going down. I.e. once you go up, the payments stop - replaced by the much larger Prem money.  If you go down and then up and then back down, like us, you just start another four year cycle of parachute payments.

The actual amount you get each year is not straight forward, with all the relegated clubs over the last four years having to share a larger lump sum, which changes every few years.

Edited Monday at 15:03 by Chez

[Saint Mikey]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

We've not even been able to clear out deadwood in the summer windows, hence why we're stuck with Sulemana, Onachcho, ABK etc. Remember we had to pay Carillo to leave so few teams wanted him, had to sell the likes of Lemina, Lyanco and Djenepo at knock down prices and even worse people like Hoedt, Boufal Redmond, Adams and Long who no one would buy so we had to let them run down their contracts or loan them out until they were available for free. A lot of these players cost significant sums of money by our standards, but some we cant sell, some we've sold to whoever will take them, some we couldn't even give away. It's never ending conveyor belt of shite signings.

I don't disagree, but at the point when we bought them - Redmond, Adams and Long would walk into our team now. That's how poor our 1st XI and squad is.

[revolution saint]

6 minutes ago, Chez said:

Relegated sides from the Prem get four years of parachute payments - which decrease each of those four years. The only time you don't get four years, is if you get promoted back to the Prem, one, two or three years after going down. I.e. once you go up, the payments stop - replaced by the much larger Prem money.  If you go down and then up and then back down, like us, you just start another four year cycle of parachute payments.

The actual amount you get each year is not straight forward, with all the relegated clubs over the last four years having to share a larger lump sum, which changes every few years.

Nice one, cheers for that.  Can I order three years of championship fun and promotion at the end of the third?  I'd take a miserable premier league season every four years but wouldn't want to do too much more than that.

[Saint Fan CaM]

The thing about the players we have/keep and any players we bring in, whether trying to stay in the EPL or plan for the Championship, they MUST be able to play in Juric’s style - i.e. high press, have pace with the ball and an ability to score lots of goals. Recruiting with any thought of retaining a possession based style will be disastrous once again. This will require a complete root and branch re-think…it’s going to be a massive undertaking and it will mean another huge injection of money (and/or loss of player value to off-load deadwood). Not sure Dragan will sign-off on that.

Edited Monday at 15:13 by Saint Fan CaM

[Chez]

5 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Nice one, cheers for that.  Can I order three years of championship fun and promotion at the end of the third?  I'd take a miserable premier league season every four years but wouldn't want to do too much more than that.

There is quite a sizeable drop off in the amount you get from year two to three, which is why people say you only really have two years to get back up...adn then after that the playing field starts to level. So maybe you will have to go for three year cycles rather than four.

Ultimately, getting promoted and then failing to stay up is way more preferable than staying down. Our finances should be in a reasonable state and the squad is stronger  than last summer. For example, instead of loaning in Downes, we already have him, so perhaps this summer we can build rather than rebuild?   

[disconnect]

9 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

The thing about the players we have/keep and any players we bring in, whether trying to stay in the EPL or plan for the Championship, they MUST be able to play in Juric’s style - i.e. high press, have pace with the ball and an ability to score lots of goals. Recruiting with any thought of retaining a possession based style will be disastrous once again. This will require a complete root and branch re-think…it’s going to be a massive undertaking and it will mean another huge injection of money (and/or loss of player value to off-load deadwood). Not sure Dragan will sign-off on that.

Wasn't part of the problem previously that aside from Downes, very few of the players signed were actually suited to a heavy possession and passing based game? Look at this season's signings - BBD, Cornet, Big Les, Sugawara, Archer, Taylor are all not suited to that style at all. Hopefully the recruitment actually target players that are comfortable in the style we play! 

[miserableoldgit]

59 minutes ago, Chez said:

What do you mean? 

The £120m+ TV and prize money we'll get in the prem this year will be replaced by £40m+ 'parachute payment' next season and, if we haven't got promoted, about £36m the following season...

So, income is reduced massively, but that £40m+ means you can pay players a lot more than the other championship sides can.

I am not up to speed on the PP. I thought I heard a little while ago that they were thinking about stopping or adjusting them because it was deemed unfair on Championship teams......although I might have dreamt that.....

[Saint Fan CaM]

9 minutes ago, disconnect said:

Wasn't part of the problem previously that aside from Downes, very few of the players signed were actually suited to a heavy possession and passing based game? Look at this season's signings - BBD, Cornet, Big Les, Sugawara, Archer, Taylor are all not suited to that style at all. Hopefully the recruitment actually target players that are comfortable in the style we play! 

That may well have been the plan, but of course the quality of those players both in terms of fitness and skill was woefully inadequate. Plus contracts had been previous signed that meant we entered the EPL with a squad of players barely good enough to get promoted, let alone be successful in the EPL.

[Chez]

9 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

The thing about the players we have/keep and any players we bring in, whether trying to stay in the EPL or plan for the Championship, they MUST be able to play in Juric’s style - i.e. high press, have pace with the ball and an ability to score lots of goals. Recruiting with any thought of retaining a possession based style will be disastrous once again. This will require a complete root and branch re-think…it’s going to be a massive undertaking and it will mean another huge injection of money (and/or loss of player value to off-load deadwood). Not sure Dragan will sign-off on that.

We certainly need to sign a few players, especially in midfield, that are willing to do some bloody dirty work. A squad full of passers is great when you have the ball, as we did pretty much all of last season, but fuck me, how poor are we at getting it back? When we go back up, we will still need to find players with great technique, but we will need a Jack Cork type that is willing to chase all day and force opponents to turn the ball over now and then.  

That said, doesn't pretty much all of the football world play a possession based game these days (just some better than others)? I watched Worthing thrash Torquay on Saturday (both level 6) and they passed it short out from the keeper literally all the time. I go to watch Fareham Town (level 9) a lot and they do exactly the same.  The sides that win have the quality of player to do it.

Our failure to sign any actual quality in forward areas has been our biggest problem. There were players available, but we just couldn't compete/afford the likes of Rutter, Carvalho, Odobert,  Summerville, Berge, Sinesterra, Asprilla, Sara...

 

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

I am not up to speed on the PP. I thought I heard a little while ago that they were thinking about stopping or adjusting them because it was deemed unfair on Championship teams......although I might have dreamt that.....

since when has anyone in football cared about fairness? Even financial fair play isn't fair!

[Chez]

13 minutes ago, disconnect said:

Wasn't part of the problem previously that aside from Downes, very few of the players signed were actually suited to a heavy possession and passing based game? Look at this season's signings - BBD, Cornet, Big Les, Sugawara, Archer, Taylor are all not suited to that style at all. Hopefully the recruitment actually target players that are comfortable in the style we play! 

What a bloody good point. I don't know why I have never spotted that before. 

What we needed was players with a golden first touch and the ability to drop a shoulder and get themselves out of tight spaces - like KWP and Lallana can. Technically gifted players. Asprilla was a fine example. Looked like he had hours on the ball. I still don't understand why we signed Taylor. He's a solid enough player, but certainly not a free flowing footballer with the ball. Weird move if you ask me. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

We certainly need to sign a few players, especially in midfield, that are willing to do some bloody dirty work. A squad full of passers is great when you have the ball, as we did pretty much all of last season, but fuck me, how poor are we at getting it back? When we go back up, we will still need to find players with great technique, but we will need a Jack Cork type that is willing to chase all day and force opponents to turn the ball over now and then.  

That said, doesn't pretty much all of the football world play a possession based game these days (just some better than others)? I watched Worthing thrash Torquay on Saturday (both level 6) and they passed it short out from the keeper literally all the time. I go to watch Fareham Town (level 9) a lot and they do exactly the same.  The sides that win have the quality of player to do it.

Our failure to sign any actual quality in forward areas has been our biggest problem. There were players available, but we just couldn't compete/afford the likes of Rutter, Carvalho, Odobert,  Summerville, Berge, Sinesterra, Asprilla, Sara...

 

Well it could be argued that the abysmal recruitment exhibited over the last few seasons on many, has wasted the funds we could have spent on a couple of real gems. Somebody needs to take the spade away from SR/Rasmus etc. - the pit of despair they’ve dug for the club is now looking so deep we may never get out.

[JustinR]

14 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

I am not up to speed on the PP. I thought I heard a little while ago that they were thinking about stopping or adjusting them because it was deemed unfair on Championship teams......although I might have dreamt that.....

That is the complaint from EFL teams. I think the football regulator will attempt to level the playing field when they get appointed. Until then, we could persue a BOING Saints strategy. 

[OldNick]

Just now, Saint Fan CaM said:

Well it could be argued that the abysmal recruitment exhibited over the last few seasons on many, has wasted the funds we could have spent on a couple of real gems. Somebody needs to take the spade away from SR/Rasmus etc. - the pit of despair they’ve dug for the club is now looking so deep we may never get out.

I still wonder who is judging the players we go to sign? The info that the computers chug out  is only as good as the analysist looking at it. Seems David Plunkett and his dog is assessing the results.

[Chez]

14 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

I am not up to speed on the PP. I thought I heard a little while ago that they were thinking about stopping or adjusting them because it was deemed unfair on Championship teams......although I might have dreamt that.....

It certainly creates an uneven playing field whereby the relegated sides can retain Prem players and sign expensive loanees like we did in Downes and Brooks. However, perhaps more critically it has done a reasonable job in recent times of preventing relegated clubs from financial oblivion - which was the point of them on the first place. 

[OldNick]

Meghoma came on and tore 3 or 4 of our players a new one as he set Brentford up for their 4th goal. Brentford saw something that RM didnt as we let him go. Seemed mad at the time and crazier now

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Well it could be argued that the abysmal recruitment exhibited over the last few seasons on many, has wasted the funds we could have spent on a couple of real gems. Somebody needs to take the spade away from SR/Rasmus etc. - the pit of despair they’ve dug for the club is now looking so deep we may never get out.

Yep. The January window in 2023 was a fucking disaster impacting last summer. We still spend a few bob, but we needed £40m-£50m more to get the guys we really wanted/needed. 

[Paul Chuckle]

4 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Meghoma came on and tore 3 or 4 of our players a new one as he set Brentford up for their 4th goal. Brentford saw something that RM didnt as we let him go. Seemed mad at the time and crazier now

Different Maghoma 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Maghoma

Edited Monday at 15:53 by Paul Chuckle

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Meghoma came on and tore 3 or 4 of our players a new one as he set Brentford up for their 4th goal. Brentford saw something that RM didnt as we let him go. Seemed mad at the time and crazier now

When Manning was having a nightmare time in the Championship, that was the time to give him a run, but Martin just didn't want to risk it.

[OldNick]

1 minute ago, Paul Chuckle said:

Different Maghoma 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Maghoma

oops

[Paul Chuckle]

Just now, OldNick said:

oops

I also had to check. The one who played for us was Meghoma. One who came on was Maghoma. Nice and simple to remember 😬

[OldNick]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

When Manning was having a nightmare time in the Championship, that was the time to give him a run, but Martin just didn't want to risk it.

Apparently I got it wrong and it wasnt the player we sold. Anyway he still should have given him a better run of games

[OldNick]

1 minute ago, Paul Chuckle said:

I also had to check. The one who played for us was Meghoma. One who came on was Maghoma. Nice and simple to remember 😬

Thanks, Well he still was decent setting up that goal . Brentford strike again with their scouting

[Chez]

8 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I still wonder who is judging the players we go to sign? The info that the computers chug out  is only as good as the analysist looking at it. Seems David Plunkett and his dog is assessing the results.

If I was the manager, I'd want to be all over every transfer - and perhaps that is still the case - as you basically live and die by the quality of them. I'd want to watching them live a few times - not sure that is the case these days - before giving them my blessing. 

[Paul Chuckle]

1 minute ago, OldNick said:

Thanks, Well he still was decent setting up that goal . Brentford strike again with their scouting

Better me tell you than MLG 🤣

[Chez]

1 minute ago, OldNick said:

Apparently I got it wrong and it wasnt the player we sold. Anyway he still should have given him a better run of games

Point still stands...unless Meghoma never really makes the Brentford first team too of course.