January Transfer Window 2025

[Lighthouse]

8 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Have we seen enough of Taylor? If my memory serves me right he created lots of chances for the big man at Burnley and so he may be perfect for TP. 

One or the other out of him and Manning will surfice. I'm not sure what our plans are for when the welly checks in tomorrow but when he does we'll have him, Manning, Taylor and Larios all vying for that LB spot and none of them actually playing because KWP is there.

[Turkish]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

One or the other out of him and Manning will surfice. I'm not sure what our plans are for when the welly checks in tomorrow but when he does we'll have him, Manning, Taylor and Larios all vying for that LB spot and none of them actually playing because KWP is there.

  does he exist? Last time i saw him he looked like a kid whose dad had let him join in a game with his mates

[egg]

24 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Finding a way to end Cornet's loan opens up a spot for a new signing.

 

Yes, but this is the real world with real contracts and real money. Getting rid/getting in, is not like buying on eBay. 

[egg]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

  does he exist? Last time i saw him he looked like a kid whose dad had let him join in a game with his mates

Larios was never going to be the answer, even if he'd stayed fit. The lack of updates about his fitness is weird though. I'm not sure what's going on there. 

[SaintNewForest]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

Larios was never going to be the answer, even if he'd stayed fit. The lack of updates about his fitness is weird though. I'm not sure what's going on there. 

Martin gave an update on him a few weeks back; had another setback if I recall. No time frame.

https://twitter.com/JustSaints_/status/1862266310819770377?t=ka-mJkkma8CRi1KsdB0fHw&s=19

[egg]

2 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said:

Martin gave an update on him a few weeks back; had another setback if I recall. No time frame.

https://twitter.com/JustSaints_/status/1862266310819770377?t=ka-mJkkma8CRi1KsdB0fHw&s=19

Thank you, I missed that 👍

[trousers]

15 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said:

Martin gave an update on him a few weeks back; had another setback if I recall. No time frame.

https://twitter.com/JustSaints_/status/1862266310819770377?t=ka-mJkkma8CRi1KsdB0fHw&s=19

These "updates" rarely actually state what the nature of the injury(s) are though.... 

Sadly, there must be some fundamental underlying issue with both players' bodies if they are incapable of kicking a football or moving around on grass without some kind of injury (re)occuring as a result...

Edited 31 December, 2024 by trousers

[santolijador]

Would we perhaps be interested in taking Zirkzee for 6 months? (Not that I'm at all convinced he would be interested in us by the way) - Surely United would be looking to send him somewhere 'pressure-less' and maybe keep him in England as part of his adaptation to see if he might come good? 

Juric is probably aware of him from his time in Italy as well? 

I must also confess to not knowing too much about the guy, but he looks big enough to hold the ball up and act as a focal point? Happy to be corrected here as well. 

[Chez]

7 minutes ago, santolijador said:

Would we perhaps be interested in taking Zirkzee for 6 months? (Not that I'm at all convinced he would be interested in us by the way) - Surely United would be looking to send him somewhere 'pressure-less' and maybe keep him in England as part of his adaptation to see if he might come good? 

Juric is probably aware of him from his time in Italy as well? 

I must also confess to not knowing too much about the guy, but he looks big enough to hold the ball up and act as a focal point? Happy to be corrected here as well. 

Can't see a Dutch international that has just joined Manchester United willing to join us on loan.  

[Chez]

37 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

One or the other out of him and Manning will surfice. I'm not sure what our plans are for when the welly checks in tomorrow but when he does we'll have him, Manning, Taylor and Larios all vying for that LB spot and none of them actually playing because KWP is there.

Taylor has another year after this one, Manning another two years (as does Larios).  We will be paying them more than any other championship side is willing to pay. I'd be surprised if either went anywhere.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

Why wouldn't any January signings be potentially beneficial in our likely place in next season's Championship? Not only do they get 6 months of PL wages to attract them, but it gives us 6 months of bedding in time ahead of the summer to get them settled.

Scar tissue.

[It's There]

Any rumours of incoming or outgoing?

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, It's There said:

Any rumours of incoming or outgoing?

There was a Ronnie Edwards to Sheff Wednesday on loan rumour.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Yes, but this is the real world with real contracts and real money. Getting rid/getting in, is not like buying on eBay. 

Rasmus shuffles in front of his screen...curses...egg has sussed my new left field plan...

Edited 31 December, 2024 by Holmes_and_Watson
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[Gloucester Saint]

10 minutes ago, Chez said:

There was a Ronnie Edwards to Sheff Wednesday on loan rumour.

Would be happy with that, Charles has benefitted from working with Rohl at Champ level.

[Chez]

...and Glen Kamara's agent has done his job with links in the press to all manner of clubs including Saints.

Cornet back to West Ham and then out on loan again.

I suspect the Lesley Ugochukwu loan might continue rather than be terminated as has been suggested.

Ajax fancy Sulemena.

Obviously Dibling was linked with Manchester United.

[ErwinK1961]

1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Would be happy with that, Charles has benefitted from working with Rohl at Champ level.

Ready for next season… 😏

[Holmes_and_Watson]

17 minutes ago, It's There said:

Any rumours of incoming or outgoing?

Various transfer rumours from someone's link yesterday. No clue on sources or veracity, but at least we can pretend there's some things going on.

https://www.transferfeed.com/clubs/southampton/61

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

Obviously Dibling was linked with Manchester United.

I was talking to a member of the coaching staff at Bournemouth last night. He reckons Dibling would be mad to leave us, but also reckons other clubs would be mad to buy him ATM. Said he could go either way, and as well as he’s done, he thinks there’s a fair chance he could fall away and not fulfil his potential. Obviously just one blokes opinion, but I thought it interesting he didn’t rate him as highly as I thought he would. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

21 minutes ago, Chez said:

Taylor has another year after this one, Manning another two years (as does Larios).  We will be paying them more than any other championship side is willing to pay. I'd be surprised if either went anywhere.

I thought that was why Bree stayed. On very good wages, from where he was, even if not getting a game. Bree and Manning were both decently thought of as strong Championship players. Bree in particular could have been playing more regularly at that level.

[Chez]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I was talking to a member of the coaching staff at Bournemouth last night. He reckons Dibling would be mad to leave us, but also reckons other clubs would be mad to buy him ATM. Said he could go either way, and as well as he’s done, he thinks there’s a fair chance he could fall away and not fulfil his potential. Obviously just one blokes opinion, but I thought it interesting he didn’t rate him as highly as I thought he would. 

I seriously doubt he will be going anywhere until the summer, but having shown he can play at this level, he is not going to sign a new contract for a championship side in waiting. 

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Does anyone actually think there’s any point in us spending any money this window? Last relegation season the January window was a shitshow and we’re still paying for it now. 
 

Trim the squad, save the money for the summer and give us a chance to compete within PSR if we do come back up by keeping our outgoings down. 

[Chez]

8 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I thought that was why Bree stayed. On very good wages, from where he was, even if not getting a game. Bree and Manning were both decently thought of as strong Championship players. Bree in particular could have been playing more regularly at that level.

It's really hard to give a squad an overhaul. Long contracts are great when you unearth a Dibling, but restrictive when given to a Larios.

[Chez]

1 minute ago, for_heaven's_Saint said:

Does anyone actually think there’s any point in us spending any money this window? Last relegation season the January window was a shitshow and we’re still paying for it now. 
 

Trim the squad, save the money for the summer and give us a chance to compete within PSR if we do come back up by keeping our outgoings down. 

go back one page on this thread and you will find a few posters suggesting we need to get someone in. 

Personally, I think it will be very tough to get a player that can impact this season, but no reason why we should not sign someone in January that we think we need next season. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

18 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I was talking to a member of the coaching staff at Bournemouth last night. He reckons Dibling would be mad to leave us, but also reckons other clubs would be mad to buy him ATM. Said he could go either way, and as well as he’s done, he thinks there’s a fair chance he could fall away and not fulfil his potential. Obviously just one blokes opinion, but I thought it interesting he didn’t rate him as highly as I thought he would. 

Assuming B'Mouth aren't well drilled and already downplaying him ahead of a bid... 🙂

He was frustrated not to get minutes last season. He's got lots of plaudits this season. But yes, he's still developing in lots of areas and in a team that is likely to remain glued to the bottom of the table.  Loads of talented players that age would love to be getting the game time he is though. If anything, picking up 2 different styles in Martin and Juric will help his all round game. He has to keep doing what he's doing and learning.

With a contract ending in 2026, I imagine SR wouldn't be averse to cashing in this summer. The funds can be used to pay off debts or put into the transfer tombola.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

go back one page on this thread and you will find a few posters suggesting we need to get someone in. 

Personally, I think it will be very tough to get a player that can impact this season, but no reason why we should not sign someone in January that we think we need next season. 

Absolutely. We're building for next season. But next season, we'll be looking to get back up and stay in the PL. So, if the talent is available and within our reach, we shouldn't rule anything out.

At the same time, we can be arranging deals for any departures we can, if possible. But they had a long time to get Sule, TP and ABK (other circumstances there) deals done and couldn't last summer. Even at the wage levels SR are aiming for, there's only a limited number of clubs able to meet them.

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Assuming B'Mouth aren't well drilled and already downplaying him ahead of a bid... 🙂

He was frustrated not to get minutes last season. He's got lots of plaudits this season. But yes, he's still developing in lots of areas and in a team that is likely to remain glued to the bottom of the table.  Loads of talented players that age would love to be getting the game time he is though. If anything, picking up 2 different styles in Martin and Juric will help his all round game. He has to keep doing what he's doing and learning.

With a contract ending in 2026, I imagine SR wouldn't be averse to cashing in this summer. The funds can be used to pay off debts or put into the transfer tombola.

If he walked on a free in 2026, are we entitled to compensation? It's a while since I've seen the amounts the tribunals decide on. Are they fair or are they token amounts at todays transfer prices?

[Matthew Le God]

9 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Assuming B'Mouth aren't well drilled and already downplaying him ahead of a bid... 🙂

He was frustrated not to get minutes last season. He's got lots of plaudits this season. But yes, he's still developing in lots of areas and in a team that is likely to remain glued to the bottom of the table.  Loads of talented players that age would love to be getting the game time he is though. If anything, picking up 2 different styles in Martin and Juric will help his all round game. He has to keep doing what he's doing and learning.

With a contract ending in 2026, I imagine SR wouldn't be averse to cashing in this summer. The funds can be used to pay off debts or put into the transfer tombola.

 

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

If he walked on a free in 2026, are we entitled to compensation? It's a while since I've seen the amounts the tribunals decide on. Are they fair or are they token amounts at todays transfer prices?

It won't be 2026, the club (not the player) has a contract option to trigger to take it to 2027. That gives Saints a better position to work from.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

It won't be 2026, the club (not the player) has a contract option to trigger to take it to 2027. That gives Saints a better position to work from.

Thanks. My point still stands about the club not being averse to moving him on. We may get more pennies, with the extra year.

[Chez]

Ramsdale 2028, Bazunu 2027, McCarthy 2026, Lumley 2025

Sugawara 2028, Bree 2026, Walker-Peters 2025

Taylor 2026, Manning 2027, Larios 2027

Harwood-Bellis 2028, Wood 2028, Edwards 2028, Bednarek 2027, Bella-Kotchap 2026, Stephens 2026

Fernandes 2029, Charles 2027, Downes 2028, Aribo 2026, Smallbone 2026, Lallana 2025, Ugochukwu 2025

Brereton Diaz 2028, Edozie 2027, Sulemana 2027, Dibling 2026, Amo-Ameyaw 2026, Fraser 2026, Cornet 2025

Archer 2028, Armstrong 2027, Stewart 2026, Onuachu 2026

 

Very few out of contract players, so any major reshaping of the squad will rely on interest in our players from other clubs. 

[Chez]

16 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

It won't be 2026, the club (not the player) has a contract option to trigger to take it to 2027. That gives Saints a better position to work from.

I wasn't aware if that.  Very good news. 

[Matthew Le God]

6 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Thanks. My point still stands about the club not being averse to moving him on. We may get more pennies, with the extra year.

I'd be amazed if he stayed even if we had the miracle of avoiding relegation. He will be on the radar of the elite clubs this summer. The extra year trigger to 2027 allows Saints to negotiate a higher price.

[Chez]

8 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Thanks. My point still stands about the club not being averse to moving him on. We may get more pennies, with the extra year.

That extra year is probably worth an extra £20m...

[benjii]

56 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I was talking to a member of the coaching staff at Bournemouth last night. He reckons Dibling would be mad to leave us, but also reckons other clubs would be mad to buy him ATM. Said he could go either way, and as well as he’s done, he thinks there’s a fair chance he could fall away and not fulfil his potential. Obviously just one blokes opinion, but I thought it interesting he didn’t rate him as highly as I thought he would. 

The funny thing is, there's a good chance he will be better than any football player who has ever played for Bournemouth!

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, Chez said:

Ramsdale 2028, Bazunu 2027, McCarthy 2026, Lumley 2025

Sugawara 2028, Bree 2026, Walker-Peters 2025

Taylor 2026, Manning 2027, Larios 2027

Harwood-Bellis 2028, Wood 2028, Edwards 2028, Bednarek 2027, Bella-Kotchap 2026, Stephens 2026

Fernandes 2029, Charles 2027, Downes 2028, Aribo 2026, Smallbone 2026, Lallana 2025, Ugochukwu 2025

Brereton Diaz 2028, Edozie 2027, Sulemana 2027, Dibling 2026, Amo-Ameyaw 2026, Fraser 2026, Cornet 2025

Archer 2028, Armstrong 2027, Stewart 2026, Onuachu 2026

 

Very few out of contract players, so any major reshaping of the squad will rely on interest in our players from other clubs. 

We are so blatantly going to give Lallana a new contract and come up with some horse sh*t about how vital his experience will be in getting promoted next season, aren’t we.

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

I'd be amazed if he stayed even if we had the miracle of avoiding relegation. He will be on the radar of the elite clubs this summer. 

Do any talents stay at relegated clubs? It seems a long time since Defoe (for half a season) and Carrick stayed with West Ham after going down. Newcastle kept a few, which cost them an absolute fortune. What about Grealish. Had he made a mark on the Prem before spending several seasons in the championship?

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

We are so blatantly going to give Lallana a new contract and come up with some horse sh*t about how vital his experience will be in getting promoted next season, aren’t we.

I didn't want him back here (I don't want to go into all that again, but mention it for context) but when I see him, he's on a different level in terms of touch and ability compared to most of the others. So I would imagine they will offer him a new deal. Not sure I'd have any objections either.

[Matthew Le God]

6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

We are so blatantly going to give Lallana a new contract and come up with some horse sh*t about how vital his experience will be in getting promoted next season, aren’t 

Of course he isn't the player he once was and has fitness issues. But in terms of his current ability, he'd be a stand out player in the Championship. 

[Chez]

What's the score with Ramsdale's contract? Does he have any kind of relegation clause in it? 

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, Chez said:

What's the score with Ramsdale's contract? Does he have any kind of relegation clause in it? 

Not any that have been publicly announced. I'd be surprised if he didn't have something in it to give him an easy route out as he is far to good for a season in the Championship. 

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

I didn't want him back here (I don't want to go into all that again, but mention it for context) but when I see him, he's on a different level in terms of touch and ability compared to most of the others. So I would imagine they will offer him a new deal. Not sure I'd have any objections either.

Christ, the guy is absolutely done, physically with professional football. I don’t care about his touch and ability, he jogs around for half an hour a month, then gets injured. His contribution in half a season has been one decent assist against Ipswich. I don’t know when we started aiming so low as a club and a fan base that we started thinking this warranted a new contract.

[Chez]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Not any that have been publicly announced. I'd be surprised if he didn't have something in it to give him an easy route out as he is far to good for a season in the Championship. 

I'm still surprised he signed for us.

He could have all the big sides after him in the summer.

[Chez]

8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Christ, the guy is absolutely done, physically with professional football. I don’t care about his touch and ability, he jogs around for half an hour a month, then gets injured. His contribution in half a season has been one decent assist against Ipswich. I don’t know when we started aiming so low as a club and a fan base that we started thinking this warranted a new contract.

the signing of Anthony Pulis and Paul Wotton may have scarred me for life.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

26 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

I'd be amazed if he stayed even if we had the miracle of avoiding relegation. He will be on the radar of the elite clubs this summer. The extra year trigger to 2027 allows Saints to negotiate a higher price.

 

23 minutes ago, Chez said:

That extra year is probably worth an extra £20m...

There's the scenario where, having not settled at Chelsea's player farm, he looks to develop further here, getting lots more minutes next season, to ensure the best landing at an elite club. Lots of game time with us...in the Championship...which he's already better than and in which the last manager didn't play him. A scenario skidding across the road in the first sentence and right off it in the second. 🙂

His performances and potential this year will allow his reps to negotiate a much better deal than the last time he left. He backs himself, and can hopefully develop at a higher level, or use it as a base for loan minutes at worst at a level probably higher than us too.

Dibling can follow the Tino, Lavia departures as validating part of SR's approach and making us attractive to similar players. Fernandes and THB may also be others to come.

[OldNick]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

We are so blatantly going to give Lallana a new contract and come up with some horse sh*t about how vital his experience will be in getting promoted next season, aren’t we.

Apparently he walked straight off at Palace and didnt come to the fans and so may be disenchanted here

[Pwoite]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

I seriously doubt he will be going anywhere until the summer, but having shown he can play at this level, he is not going to sign a new contract for a championship side in waiting. 

 Can he? He is exciting, can dribble and beat two or three players, but he isn’t that dangerous in front of goal, and regularly fails to deliver a critical assist. He is hopeless defending, is very one footed and his set pieces are currently poor. Sure, he gets the crowd on their feet and is exciting, but does he have the potential for an all round game, or is he a latter day MLT?

Clearly clubs will see this and more and then decide if the potential is there. There will be suitors, and just maybe we need to cash in whilst we can.

[Chez]

30 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

There's the scenario where, having not settled at Chelsea's player farm, he looks to develop further here, getting lots more minutes next season, to ensure the best landing at an elite club. Lots of game time with us...in the Championship...which he's already better than and in which the last manager didn't play him. A scenario skidding across the road in the first sentence and right off it in the second. 🙂

His performances and potential this year will allow his reps to negotiate a much better deal than the last time he left. He backs himself, and can hopefully develop at a higher level, or use it as a base for loan minutes at worst at a level probably higher than us too.

Dibling can follow the Tino, Lavia departures as validating part of SR's approach and making us attractive to similar players. Fernandes and THB may also be others to come.

If we pay him what his agent thinks he is worth, he might stay. If that is £100k a week or more and we are in the championship, that might not be feasible

[Holmes_and_Watson]

5 minutes ago, Chez said:

If we pay him what his agent thinks he is worth, he might stay. If that is £100k a week or more and we are in the championship, that might not be feasible

I'd have thought that would go against SR's core of

Keep individual wages low

So that profit on sell on is maximised.

I think all parties could win with a move. With the possible exception of fans 🙂

[Chez]

10 minutes ago, Pwoite said:

 Can he? He is exciting, can dribble and beat two or three players, but he isn’t that dangerous in front of goal, and regularly fails to deliver a critical assist. He is hopeless defending, is very one footed and his set pieces are currently poor. Sure, he gets the crowd on their feet and is exciting, but does he have the potential for an all round game, or is he a latter day MLT?

Clearly clubs will see this and more and then decide if the potential is there. There will be suitors, and just maybe we need to cash in whilst we can.

Can he play at this level? Without question. He's not been great recently, but before that he was beating players right left and centre. Players that can do that are worth their weight in gold.

Grealish scored 0 goals in first full season (he played just one game in the previous season), 1 in his second, then 5 in his third (in the championship). 

[Dusic]

Looks like we have missed out on Elliot Embleton who is set to move elsewhere.