January Transfer Window 2025

[Jeremy Corbyn]

16 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Wouldn't be adverse to him coming back to us next season, depending if he would drop down.

If he's open to playing in the championship next year, we might be able to afford him now, would comfortably improve us.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Monk said:

I won't lie gents, I think the Sam AA deal might just tip me over the edge with Saints, I'm just going to follow non-league. 

Is anybody else utterly fucked off at that one? Just feels a very poor, poor footballing and business decision. 

You’re being tipped over the edge by losing a player who has made four ten minute sub appearances for us and one start, where he looked out of his depth against against a poor Championship side?

Between the coaches who see him every day and two managers with completely different styles, nobody seems to rate him particularly highly. Some people need to accept that most of our 18 year olds end up in League 1 and 2. People were similarly upset about losing the likes of Sims, Hesketh, Gallagher, Vokins, Thompson, White, Hatch and Jankewitz at one point, where are they all now?

[Monk]

26 minutes ago, Football Special said:

🤣 we've been terrible and Sam AA hasn't done enough to earn a first team start , he's got potential and personally I'd like to have seen him loaned but having watched quite a few B team games he just doesn't do enough for me 

I'm not sure how to take you, getting proper MLG vibes from you. 

So judging from your post disagree with me, agree with me but then revert back to disagree. We're going to get on. 💑

But yes, in terms of my overaction which stems from a million things the frustration in this is the bigger picture in the Championship and the value Sam would potentially add having had a loan to a Championship or top 6 League One this season. 

[miserableoldgit]

1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said:

Don’t rate him.  I would get rid.

And of course you didn't rate him last season? Thought he was "shite?"

[Monk]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

You’re being tipped over the edge by losing a player who has made four ten minute sub appearances for us and one start, where he looked out of his depth against against a poor Championship side?

Between the coaches who see him every day and two managers with completely different styles, nobody seems to rate him particularly highly. Some people need to accept that most of our 18 year olds end up in League 1 and 2. People were similarly upset about losing the likes of Sims, Hesketh, Gallagher, Vokins, Thompson, White, Hatch and Jankewitz at one point, where are they all now?

That is correct.

Fair play on the others especially Jankewitz, there was a player in there.... unfortunately it's one playing at the bottom of the Swiss Super League. 

[goodymatt]

 

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[Lee On Solent Saint]

3 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

Well, he's heading there next season.

[Gingeletiss]

3 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

He does know, we are championship bound, or has the fact we are bottom of the league passed him by, like most opposition players.

[westmidlandsaint]

I still think Ings would score more than Armstrong & Onuachu if he played same number of games. I thought Archer would have done better than he has. Maybe he hasn't settled? Can't see Onuachu wanting to play championship and we know Archer and Armstrong score goals at that level so worth keeping unless we're just looking to restock altogether for next season.

[Football Special]

13 minutes ago, Monk said:

I'm not sure how to take you, getting proper MLG vibes from you. 

So judging from your post disagree with me, agree with me but then revert back to disagree. We're going to get on. 💑

But yes, in terms of my overaction which stems from a million things the frustration in this is the bigger picture in the Championship and the value Sam would potentially add having had a loan to a Championship or top 6 League One this season. 

I'm laughing at someone giving up supporting their team if we sell an u21 who hasn't done enough to feature in the first team, get a grip man , there's plenty of players I'd be more disappointed to leave ahead of SAA. 

Are you the chap who works at Pompey? Need to spend less time amongst them. 

[S-Clarke]

I find the SAA really frustrating too, he's been sitting there crying out for a chance both last season and this. What are we not seeing that coaches are?

Last season you had Sulemana struggling to get a place, and even Manning deployed as a winger before we even touched SAA. Granted, we have a couple more options this year, but I'd still have expected to see more of him. He never looked out of place when he played.

The only logic I can apply to this is that he won't sign a new deal, he's out of contract in 2026 and we don't want to get into a situation where he's running his contract down and we lose value. 

We need to sort out our pathway though as it's not really there anymore. From SR's perspective, they're about to pocket £20m for two players they bought for £1.5m. (Meghoma and SAA). From a business POV it makes sense, but it's a shame it's more about business these days.

[goodymatt]

 

[Monk]

16 minutes ago, Football Special said:

I'm laughing at someone giving up supporting their team if we sell an u21 who hasn't done enough to feature in the first team, get a grip man , there's plenty of players I'd be more disappointed to leave ahead of SAA. 

Are you the chap who works at Pompey? Need to spend less time amongst them. 

You're a proper whopper you. Shirts are already in the bin, SFC mouse mat shredded and signed MLG photo taken down. 

But as per my original point, I'm glad you share the same frustrations that a loan to an EFL club would've been a more beneficial move for the club rather than a premature sale given an impending relegation. 

 

Edited Monday at 12:35 by Monk

[saintant]

1 hour ago, goodymatt said:

We don’t have a goal scorer, so a straight loan until the end of the season would be ok with me. Crazy how we never replaced him properly, that was the end of Ralph and the end of us as a solid PL team.

So, two years after we never replaced Ings we replace him with an older version of himself? No thanks, that ship has sailed for me.

[Ralph Fastenbüttl]

31 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

Who's gonna give Will the bad news?

Edited Monday at 12:39 by Ralph Fastenbüttl

[saintant]

34 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

He'll need to phone his agent and ask him to fix up a move today to a Premier League club above the bottom 4 - good luck with that.

[saintant]

32 minutes ago, westmidlandsaint said:

I still think Ings would score more than Armstrong & Onuachu if he played same number of games. I thought Archer would have done better than he has. Maybe he hasn't settled? Can't see Onuachu wanting to play championship and we know Archer and Armstrong score goals at that level so worth keeping unless we're just looking to restock altogether for next season.

Would keep one of them but I've had enough of midgets up front - let's get rid of one and replace with a striker over 6 feet tall.

[Chez]

43 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

If he's open to playing in the championship next year, we might be able to afford him now, would comfortably improve us.

His wages would be ludricrous for a championship side. If West Ham paid half, then maybe it would be viable, but even then, we'd need to shift some players first, as the squad and wage bill is far too big for the championship. 

[goodymatt]

21 minutes ago, saintant said:

So, two years after we never replaced Ings we replace him with an older version of himself? No thanks, that ship has sailed for me.

You’re not wrong, but I maintain he’s better than what we have and we do have a free PL loan slot to use. Perhaps we will find better use for that though.

[goodymatt]

 

Edited Monday at 12:58 by goodymatt

[goodymatt]

 

[kitch]

14 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

Fingers crossed

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

know not everyone rates him but he’s a lot better than spending the rest of the season rotting in West Ham’s reserves

Yeah agreed.
 

Fulham reserves, probably a better fit. 

[davefizzy14]

https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-west-ham-open-door-to-danny-ings-joining-southampton/

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-west-ham-open-door-to-danny-ings-joining-southampton/

Hasn't he turned us down a bunch of times? 

[Baird of the land]

1 hour ago, goodymatt said:

 

We have a relegation rival? Thought we were the only one going for Derby's record.

[goodymatt]

Just now, Baird of the land said:

We have a relegation rival? Thought we were the only one going for Derby's record.

Put Ipswich off with our £20m asking price apparently.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

You’re being tipped over the edge by losing a player who has made four ten minute sub appearances for us and one start, where he looked out of his depth against against a poor Championship side?

Between the coaches who see him every day and two managers with completely different styles, nobody seems to rate him particularly highly. Some people need to accept that most of our 18 year olds end up in League 1 and 2. People were similarly upset about losing the likes of Sims, Hesketh, Gallagher, Vokins, Thompson, White, Hatch and Jankewitz at one point, where are they all now?

Well Sam is with Stoke in the same league as we will be in next season (and where he has been since he left us) so his name in your list is a bit previous.

You talk about coaches who seem him every day (SAA) and yes I would agree with you if I had more faith in the footballing set up up at SMS at present. Not including Juric because he is still getting his feet under the table and surely he hasn't seen enough of SAA yet? He looked good in the Championship last year as a 17-year old and will probably do so next season should he be given a chance.

[DT]

Bracing myself for the Dibling to Spurs alert. Please no. 

[Dusic]

With SAA, the galling bit is the permanency of it. Why not loan him out to the league we will be in next year, see how he does and wait til the summer with more known?

Its just a bit illogical, like most of our summer signings were.

[Chez]

19 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Put Ipswich off with our £20m asking price apparently.

We spent £15m on him in the summer.
We will want to get our money back, so may have asked for £20 and expect to work back to £15m. Ipswich can see we are not convinced by him, so probably think they can get him for £10m.
All feels a little late in the day.

If we sell him, what is the plan if Les gets injured? What's the plan for next season too?

I cant recall here being so many Saints players that are linked to moves in a January window.

[goodymatt]

 

[Eric The Red]

6 minutes ago, Dusic said:

With SAA, the galling bit is the permanency of it. Why not loan him out to the league we will be in next year, see how he does and wait til the summer with more known?

Its just a bit illogical, like most of our summer signings were.

I strongly suspect that (possibly frustrated by lack of first team minutes) he has said he won't sign a new contract so it makes sense to sell whilst he has a value.

[goodymatt]

Just now, Chez said:

We spent £15m on him in the summer.
We will want to get our money back, so may have asked for £20 and expect to work back to £15m. Ipswich can see we are not convinced by him, so probably think they can get him for £10m.
All feels a little late in the day.

If we sell him, what is the plan if Les gets injured? What's the plan for next season too?

I cant recall here being so many Saints players that are linked to moves in a January window.

That’s the worrying observation, so many players linked away. What we thought was a core of players to give us a great chance of bouncing straight back appears to be falling apart. The key question is why is that, club wanting to change to support Juric or players no longer happy?

[SaintLondon]

So let me get this straight, if we send out Armstrong on loan and bring in Ings, we'll be replacing Armstrong with Ings, after bringing Armstrong in to replace Ings... Now that would be VERY Saints-y. 

[Sheaf Saint]

7 minutes ago, Chez said:

I cant recall here being so many Saints players that are linked to moves in a January window.

[SaintLondon]

It actually would sadden me to see Armstrong go to Leeds after that goal in May. I don't know why but it would just feel wrong. 

[OldNick]

2 hours ago, Monk said:

I'm not sure how to take you, getting proper MLG vibes from you. 

So judging from your post disagree with me, agree with me but then revert back to disagree. We're going to get on. 💑

But yes, in terms of my overaction which stems from a million things the frustration in this is the bigger picture in the Championship and the value Sam would potentially add having had a loan to a Championship or top 6 League One this season. 

If you listen to last niights Total Saints podcast, you would have heard Alfie House (Echo) explaining that Sam only has about a year of his contract and so probably will run his contract down. Therefore take the money now, letting him go on loan will not help us as we will be paying wages and then he can slip off for nothing a few months later. Him and Meghoma came at the same time and we will have made about 20m for us.

 

[Wade Garrett]

2 hours ago, miserableoldgit said:

And of course you didn't rate him last season? Thought he was "shite?"

Yes.  Well done Sherlock.  I don’t rate him.

[S-Clarke]

6 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

It actually would sadden me to see Armstrong go to Leeds after that goal in May. I don't know why but it would just feel wrong. 

I'm quite sad for Armstrong personally at how it's turned out this year.  After last season he'd had a reset at Saints, understanding the players around him, fans appreciating him, scoring bags of goals etc. I think he and we all thought he'd deserved another crack at the PL and would hopefully fare a little better as he's come up with momentum, although you have to appreciate he is pretty limited.

But the fact it's gone even worse this time round in the PL is really sad. I'd keep him for next year as I think he's a Champ player, but he may feel that he now needs a change of scenery personally.

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, OldNick said:

If you listen to last niights Total Saints podcast, you would have heard Alfie House (Echo) explaining that Sam only has about a year of his contract and so probably will run his contract down. Therefore take the money now, letting him go on loan will not help us as we will be paying wages and then he can slip off for nothing a few months later. Him and Meghoma came at the same time and we will have made about 20m for us.

 

He has 18 months left.

The argument might be that he could be loaned out for the remainer of this season (his wages would be paid by the loaning club) and then in the summer (having seen how he has done out on loan), and with a year left, we could decide if we want him for the Championship season ahead. If not, we sell him in the summer. If we decided to keep him, it would be to play him. If he was then playing every week, I'd imagine he might sign a new contract. That is a risk of course.

My guess is the manager just doesn't think he is good enough at this point in his carrer and unlikely to be a starter next season either. He's not had long to come to that decision. But he will watch him at training every day and if he just doesn't beat his man or do things to impress in training, the conclusion is going to be that he isn't up to the necessary standard. There has to be some trust in the manager's eye...assuming he is going to be here next seaosn too. 

  

[OneMrsWallace]

Is KWP staying?

More generally, I was hoping we'd loan in a tough, no nonsense experienced player (Any position, who cares) primarily for a big voice, who'll make sure the players don't let their heads drop on the pitch. We haven't had that demanding voice on the pitch for years now and we suffer for it. Maybe now isn't the time.

[SuperSAINT]

Just now, OneMrsWallace said:

Is KWP staying?

More generally, I was hoping we'd loan in a tough, no nonsense experienced player (Any position, who cares) primarily for a big voice, who'll make sure the players don't let their heads drop on the pitch. We haven't had that demanding voice on the pitch for years now and we suffer for it. Maybe now isn't the time.

Would imagine so.  Has more options in the summer.

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

He has 18 months left.

The argument might be that he could be loaned out for the remainer of this season (his wages would be paid by the loaning club) and then in the summer (having seen how he has done out on loan), and with a year left, we could decide if we want him for the Championship season ahead. If not, we sell him in the summer. If we decided to keep him, it would be to play him. If he was then playing every week, I'd imagine he might sign a new contract. That is a risk of course.

My guess is the manager just doesn't think he is good enough at this point in his carrer and unlikely to be a starter next season either. He's not had long to come to that decision. But he will watch him at training every day and if he just doesn't beat his man or do things to impress in training, the conclusion is going to be that he isn't up to the necessary standard. There has to be some trust in the manager's eye...assuming he is going to be here next seaosn too. 

  

I guess it's not just Juric who has come to that conclusion, as Martin was very reluctant to use him either. There must be something we're not privy to, i.e how he trains or there are some flaws in his game which make him a risk in a certain system. No idea. Trying to make some logic out of it!

[Lee On Solent Saint]

13 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I'm quite sad for Armstrong personally at how it's turned out this year.  After last season he'd had a reset at Saints, understanding the players around him, fans appreciating him, scoring bags of goals etc. I think he and we all thought he'd deserved another crack at the PL and would hopefully fare a little better as he's come up with momentum, although you have to appreciate he is pretty limited.

But the fact it's gone even worse this time round in the PL is really sad. I'd keep him for next year as I think he's a Champ player, but he may feel that he now needs a change of scenery personally.

I think it was always going to end up this way. We knew from the first time around he was not a PL player, we probably should have put the feelers out in the summer to say he was available. Another example of the club or RM being way too loyal to playerds who we could see would struggle this year.

[Chez]

12 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I'm quite sad for Armstrong personally at how it's turned out this year.  After last season he'd had a reset at Saints, understanding the players around him, fans appreciating him, scoring bags of goals etc. I think he and we all thought he'd deserved another crack at the PL and would hopefully fare a little better as he's come up with momentum, although you have to appreciate he is pretty limited.

But the fact it's gone even worse this time round in the PL is really sad. I'd keep him for next year as I think he's a Champ player, but he may feel that he now needs a change of scenery personally.

I agree, he deserved a seciond go...and I for one thought he might go well this time around. The outcome is sad for him, sad for us. He's been given a fair go this time. I recall there were some suggestions on here that he mcould have been given a little more rope last time around.

having been dropped, and assuming Juric is going to be here, there is absolutely no guarentee he will get games next season. Who is to say that Onuachu or a new striker won't be picked ahead of him. There's a lot of unknowns...

[Chez]

5 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I guess it's not just Juric who has come to that conclusion, as Martin was very reluctant to use him either. There must be something we're not privy to, i.e how he trains or there are some flaws in his game which make him a risk in a certain system. No idea. Trying to make some logic out of it!

Has he done anything in games? Has he looked better than Edozie?

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

Has he done anything in games? Has he looked better than Edozie?

Not directly, nope. But he hasn't been given much game time. The thing with SAA is that it looked like he 'could' impact games, he just wasn't given the chance to show.

We'll see what happens, I assume it's part of the deal to get their CB - but I'd be disappointed if we give them our player and don't have any form of option on their CB.