January Transfer Window 2025

[Saint86]

16 hours ago, goodymatt said:

 

Should get him back on a 2 year contract given we'll be playing in the champ again next season... He was one of our best players last year (in and around injuries). I guess it depends what we do with Lallana.

Edited yesterday at 10:41 by Saint86

[Bakovnetski]

Leeds now after Cameron Archer late in the window. After his lacklustre CBA performance when he came on against Newcastle I wouldnt be surprised if Juric said "on you go son".

 

[goodymatt]

 

[skintsaint]

38 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Should get him back on a 2 year contract given we'll be playing in the champ again next season... He was one of our best players last year (in and around injuries). I guess it depends what we do with Lallana.

Off to Sheffield.

[Saint86]

5 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

Snap their hands off for that. He gets champ experience in a promotion side, might help leeds get out of the division (a good thing), and we save his wages (maybe a small fee as well). Win win all around.

[Lighthouse]

41 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Should get him back on a 2 year contract given we'll be playing in the champ again next season... He was one of our best players last year (in and around injuries). I guess it depends what we do with Lallana.

I’d rather we started signing some players who are good now, rather than players who used to be like Armstrong or Lallana. This is another of those ‘if he hadn’t been here before nobody would be suggesting it’ ideas.

[Obstacle1]

2 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Snap their hands off for that. He gets champ experience in a promotion side, might help leeds get out of the division (a good thing), and we save his wages (maybe a small fee as well). Win win all around.

And we get to see more of Adam Armstrong this season. Everyone's happy

[Saint86]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

I’d rather we started signing some players who are good now, rather than players who used to be like Armstrong or Lallana. This is another of those ‘if he hadn’t been here before nobody would be suggesting it’ ideas.

Bit harsh on stu, he's 32, knows the club, and always did a good job for us when he was fit. You could see his passion in the game where it all went wrong and he was giving his all, almost scored, and how upset he was when he went off injured. If he hadn't left this summer, the fans would have been happy he stayed.

[goodymatt]

25 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Snap their hands off for that. He gets champ experience in a promotion side, might help leeds get out of the division (a good thing), and we save his wages (maybe a small fee as well). Win win all around.

With injuries to Dibling and Sulemana, would leave us a bit short. I would rather see Archer on the pitch than Armstrong. 

Let’s say he goes off to Leeds and does well, he’d have had 1.5 seasons in the PL followed by half a season being promoted in the championship - would he went to come back?

I do worry that he doesn’t have the off the ball pressing ability required to play in Juric’s system though.

Edited yesterday at 11:49 by goodymatt

[Fabrice29]

17 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Snap their hands off for that. He gets champ experience in a promotion side, might help leeds get out of the division (a good thing), and we save his wages (maybe a small fee as well). Win win all around.

Just on this, it’s cool on paper getting championship promotion experience but in reality this lad signed for a PL club because he wanted to play PL football. Telling him ‘we don’t think you’re good enough here right now but we’ll be back in touch next year when we’re in a lesser league’ is probably quite demotivating. Feel like if we’re being ruthless then it needs to be in the Championship to a large extent because the same would go for Armstrong…‘hang around until next season lad, we’ll rate you again then’ 

[goodymatt]

25 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I’d rather we started signing some players who are good now, rather than players who used to be like Armstrong or Lallana. This is another of those ‘if he hadn’t been here before nobody would be suggesting it’ ideas.

I’d rather have had Stu around than Lallana this season. Truth is neither are the answer anymore.

[goodymatt]

So we’ve built a team of top championship players to get us promoted when the inevitable happens and we are loaning them out now our relegation is confirmed with the hope they don’t come back? Can someone explain what we are trying to do here please?

[goodymatt]

 

[Dusic]

Would be quite the admission of recruitment failure if BBD, Taylor, Edwards, Cornet and Archer end up moving after less than 6 months, whilst Fraser and Lallana can't get a game in a team with 6pts in January and Wood is behind a RB who was a sub in the Championship.

Jesus.

[goodymatt]

Just now, Dusic said:

Would be quite the admission of recruitment failure if BBD, Taylor, Edwards, Cornet and Archer end up moving after less than 6 months, whilst Fraser and Lallana can't get a game in a team with 6pts in January and Wood is behind a RB who was a sub in the Championship.

Jesus.

The sooner we get an experienced and capable DoF in the better, we are just making it up as we go along this season.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. We will have zero strikers for next season abd he'd likely be a real asset next year. 

[The Realist]

16 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

I'm not surprised Vancouver housing is insanely expensive.

its the most beautiful city in the world though so if I was him, I'd stay in Vancouver.

[Osvaldorama]

13 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Would be quite the admission of recruitment failure if BBD, Taylor, Edwards, Cornet and Archer end up moving after less than 6 months, whilst Fraser and Lallana can't get a game in a team with 6pts in January and Wood is behind a RB who was a sub in the Championship.

Jesus.

Horrendous. 
 

of all of them, archer is the one I most want to keep. Him and arma will tear the champ up next season. 

[Lighthouse]

39 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Bit harsh on stu, he's 32, knows the club, and always did a good job for us when he was fit. You could see his passion in the game where it all went wrong and he was giving his all, almost scored, and how upset he was when he went off injured. If he hadn't left this summer, the fans would have been happy he stayed.

No doubting Stu was a decent player for us in the past but he’s not looked like a PL player since he caught Covid four years ago, so I for one wouldn’t have been happy if he’d stayed. I also couldn’t care less if he ‘knows the club’, our player of the season by a mile is a lad who’s never even played in this country before. Let’s have some more of them, not more Lallanas and Walcotts.

[Fabrice29]

6 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Horrendous. 
 

of all of them, archer is the one I most want to keep. Him and arma will tear the champ up next season. 

Talking of horrendous you are in other threads quite happily declaring "arma" is not a PL striker and it's hilarious the club thought so. So how do you suggest the club dismiss him as a PL striker but motivate him to fire us back into it next year again if it adopted your mindset? 

[leesaint88]

6 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Horrendous. 
 

of all of them, archer is the one I most want to keep. Him and arma will tear the champ up next season. 

I think he's happy based in the north and a move to Leeds would probably suit him. He might be decent for the Championship, but you would also want someone who is committed to play for the team too. 

[SambaMaverick]

SR haven't got a fucking clue if they let that happen

[hypochondriac]

We will likely have to sign three strikers next summer along with a Dibling replacement and maybe even Fernandes, Lallana, Aribo and Sulemana. Bedding in all those attacking players is going to make our job that much harder. 

Edited yesterday at 12:39 by hypochondriac

[SNSUN]

Dismantling a team of players this January that would otherwise be good players for next season's Championship promotion push does not sit well with me. Yes most of them have proven they aren't Premier League quality but Archer is young and learning and has shown, albeit sporadically,  that he can put the ball in the net. We've already loaned out BBD, another player that you'd think would do well in the Championship, I'd be loathe to see Archer go too. Leaving us Onuachu, AA and, oh yeah, Ross Blooming Stewart up front for the rest of the season would be madness enough, losing players we would otherwise be wise to keep for the Championship would be madness and, sadly, something SR would probably do. 

If we go down this route and the likes of BBD and Archer don't come back, we really will be looking at a rebuild in the Championship and then I struggle to see us getting promoted next season. And, as we've seen, the longer a team is in the Championship, the tougher it becomes to get back out of it. 

If the club have said No to loaning Archer out, then good. For now. I hope he's in their long term plans. He's one of the players that, IF we got promoted next season, might actually be a good striking option for the following Prem campaign, with the experience of a Championship season and hopefully regular football behind him.

[AlexLaw76]

I have always maintained that Sports Republic are fucking dreadful owners

this is just another example

[Toadhall Saint]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I have always maintained that Sports Republic are fucking dreadful owners

this is just another example

Of nothing happening? It might but it might not.

[DT]

I’m glad the club is moving heaven and earth to add players in key positions to make us a good bet for coming up and at least to give it a go in the remaining Prem games to see us clear of Derby’s calamity. We’re not? Oh. That’s odd. 

[Farmer Saint]

58 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

So we’ve built a team of top championship players to get us promoted when the inevitable happens and we are loaning them out now our relegation is confirmed with the hope they don’t come back? Can someone explain what we are trying to do here please?

I've been saying it since the Summer - our tactic is to become a yo-yo club and make money from high upside youngsters, with the hope that one year we will fluke our way to stay up with minimal investment. For teams that get promoted now with PSR it really is the only tactic unless you have a very good spine of players on promotion.

[Farmer Saint]

47 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Horrendous. 
 

of all of them, archer is the one I most want to keep. Him and arma will tear the champ up next season. 

Juric clearly doesn't like him.

[Football Special]

2 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Should get him back on a 2 year contract given we'll be playing in the champ again next season... He was one of our best players last year (in and around injuries). I guess it depends what we do with Lallana.

I think we miss Armstrong. 

I was watching Girona v Arsenal in champions league last night, Oriol Romeu still putting in good performances, does make me laugh he was written off as past it two years ago by experts on here 

[Saint Matty 76]

Would much prefer to have Archer around next season as he's a better footballer than Armstrong who has torn that league apart.

But ultimately, there's not a single player in this squad who I'd think twice about losing. A couple of good players there in Dibling, Fernandes and Ramsdale, but I wouldn't lose sleep about anybody in the way I was upset to lose Livramento, JWP, Tella...

[wild-saint]

SR have lost the plot, Juric is a Poundland version of Nathan Jones and we are now getting rid of the only players that will be capable of getting us back up. Giving a short term contract to a no mark manager and then let him dismantle the squad after 5 consecutive league defeats is frankly scary behaviour from the owner. I see no sense in that sort of decision making at all. 

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

SR have lost the plot, Juric is a Poundland version of Nathan Jones and we are now getting rid of the only players that will be capable of getting us back up. Giving a short term contract to a no mark manager and then let him dismantle the squad after 5 consecutive league defeats is frankly scary behaviour from the owner. I see no sense in that sort of decision making at all. 

Edit.

Edited yesterday at 13:05 by Farmer Saint

[goodymatt]

16 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I've been saying it since the Summer - our tactic is to become a yo-yo club and make money from high upside youngsters, with the hope that one year we will fluke our way to stay up with minimal investment. For teams that get promoted now with PSR it really is the only tactic unless you have a very good spine of players on promotion.

How can we yo-yo if we get rid of the players that excel at championship level? Are we even going to make a profit on Archer, seems unlikely?

[goodymatt]

10 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

SR have lost the plot, Juric is a Poundland version of Nathan Jones and we are now getting rid of the only players that will be capable of getting us back up. Giving a short term contract to a no mark manager and then let him dismantle the squad after 5 consecutive league defeats is frankly scary behaviour from the owner. I see no sense in that sort of decision making at all. 

I’d say Nathan Jones was the Poundland version of Juric. Juric’s experience might all be in Italy but he’s got teams promoted to Serie A and kept them there. Torino were very solid under him and not far away from Euro football at times. He was our first choice when we got Nathan Jones.

Admittedly 6 PL defeats in a row and no points isn’t exactly encouraging but he’s walked into a team of championship players that have all given up because we are down no matter what we do. Apart from Mateus Fernandes who is the only player with real fight, determination and quality. 

[davefizzy14]

Archer has shown he can finish so I hope he stays and starts up front with Onuachu. 

[Farmer Saint]

7 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

How can we yo-yo if we get rid of the players that excel at championship level? Are we even going to make a profit on Archer, seems unlikely?

Juric clearly doesn't like him though, so irrelevant if he'd be good for the team or not if the manager for next season doesn't want him. Doesn't stop us purchasing high upside and good Championship players as the tactic seems to be.

Edited yesterday at 13:18 by Farmer Saint

[goodymatt]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Juric clearly doesn't like him though, so irrelevant if he'd be good for the team or not if the manager for next season doesn't want him. Doesn't stop us purchasing high upside and good Championship players.

It does appear that Juric doesn’t rate him. If we get rid it is an indication that Solak’s comments on Juric being here next season were true. I do also question how Archer fits into Juric’s formation but he should suit fast counters with his pace. Would he suit Rohl’s tactics better?

He’s still very raw but just getting our money back on a player that should score freely in the championship, when purchased with acceptance we could be straight back there, seems like we are making next season harder than it needs to be. 

[LuckyNumber7]

Why are people suddenly getting their knickers in a twist about Archer possibly leaving? He's shite, done next to nothing this season. And after his pathetic half arsed sub appearance against Newcastle, I'd happily never see him in a Saints shirt again. I'm not convinced he'd be anything special in the Championship either.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, goodymatt said:

It does appear that Juric doesn’t rate him. If we get rid it is an indication that Solak’s comments on Juric being here next season were true. I do also question how Archer fits into Juric’s formation but he should suit fast counters with his pace. Would he suit Rohl’s tactics better?

He’s still very raw but just getting our money back on a player that should score freely in the championship, when purchased with acceptance we could be straight back there, seems like we are making next season harder than it needs to be. 

But he was bought with RM in mind, and not Juric. If Juric doesn't want him now, he's not going to want him next season, so may as well get our money back.

[goodymatt]

Just now, LuckyNumber7 said:

Why are people suddenly getting their knickers in a twist about Archer possibly leaving? He's shite, done next to nothing this season. And after his pathetic half arsed sub appearance against Newcastle, I'd happily never see him in a Saints shirt again. I'm not convinced he'd be anything special in the Championship either.

Look at Armstrong last season vs this season. Or Downes last season vs this season. As MLG has reminded us throughout this window, we have a squad full of these types of players that should be very useful for next season’s promotion push. Why get rid now? Surely after a promotion is the best time?

[goodymatt]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

But he was bought with RM in mind, and not Juric. If Juric doesn't want him now, he's not going to want him next season, so may as well get our money back.

Yeah I see the logic there. Why can’t we just have a manager that sets up to get the most out of the players we have, the squad is there to come straight back up IMO, but we are going to roll the dice it seems.

[WALK DMC]

3 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Why are people suddenly getting their knickers in a twist about Archer possibly leaving? He's shite, done next to nothing this season. And after his pathetic half arsed sub appearance against Newcastle, I'd happily never see him in a Saints shirt again. I'm not convinced he'd be anything special in the Championship either.

Archer already has experience of the Championship with Preston and Middlesbrough and was successful with both scoring 18 goals in 40 appearances. That's the biggest reason why I'm concerned, plus he has demonstrated this season that he has good finishing. Shame that he hasn't more of a physical presence though..... 

[macca155]

I really couldn't care less who SR sell. Archer isn't a bad player but hardly set the world on fire here.

Outside of Dibling and Fernandes, it's hard to raise enthusiasm for keeping any of the others.

I guess Downes, Wood, THB, and Armstrong are reasonable for the Championship but if SR are serious about the club's ambitions there needs to be a major overhaul.

[Saint Scott]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I’d rather we started signing some players who are good now, rather than players who used to be like Armstrong or Lallana. This is another of those ‘if he hadn’t been here before nobody would be suggesting it’ ideas.

Agreed.

We should be making signings for next season in the Championship. I'd of been all over Whittaker from Plymouth for £6m, he's a match winner and although more quiet this season had impressive numbers for a struggling promoted side last season

[LuckyNumber7]

4 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Look at Armstrong last season vs this season. Or Downes last season vs this season. As MLG has reminded us throughout this window, we have a squad full of these types of players that should be very useful for next season’s promotion push. Why get rid now? Surely after a promotion is the best time?

 

1 minute ago, WALK DMC said:

Archer already has experience of the Championship with Preston and Middlesbrough and was successful with both scoring 18 goals in 40 appearances. That's the biggest reason why I'm concerned, plus he has demonstrated this season that he has good finishing. Shame that he hasn't more of a physical presence though..... 

He is too similar to Arma though, we don't need them both. Still don't understand why we signed him in the first place. Arma is proven in the Championship over more games, and at least you can't question his effort.

If we can get our money back for Archer, that's a result imo.

[Wade Garrett]

I would rather keep Archer and get rid of Armstrong.

[SambaMaverick]

7 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I would rather keep Archer and get rid of Armstrong.

Get rid of him to the Championship? Where he will be scoring goals and earning points which go against us?

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Dusic said:

Would be quite the admission of recruitment failure if BBD, Taylor, Edwards, Cornet and Archer end up moving after less than 6 months, whilst Fraser and Lallana can't get a game in a team with 6pts in January and Wood is behind a RB who was a sub in the Championship.

Jesus.

When you put it like that, its pretty damning. Of course, there will always be some transfer failures, but we certainly haven't had anywhere near enough `successes' (and I am talking about immediate, not long term) to survive this season. I guess the only counter argument, would be that apart from Archer, the rest cost buttons - and had to because they didn't have the budget needed.

Bigger money signings
Ramsdale - success
Archer - failure
Downes - failure
Ferndandes - Success

Smaller money signings
BBD - failure
Sugawara - failure
Wood - failure
Edwards - failure
Fraser - failure
Taylor - failure
Lallana - failure
Les - failure
Cornet - Failure

Add that lot to a squad already bereft of PL quality and its hardly surprising we have not got the results we hoped for.  

[Chez]

15 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Still don't understand why we signed him in the first place. 

If we can get our money back for Archer, that's a result imo.

It was certainly surprising as we seemed to need a guy who could play with his back to goal. If BBD was always going to play in a wide role (I still understand why anyone thinks he's a wide attacker) - and Onuachu was not really part of the plan, we need a strong number 9 to give us a focal point. When we were unable to get first choice Delap, perhaps the options were limited?