January Transfer Window 2025

[Chez]

57 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

The point I’m making is Les has improved (albeit marginally) with Juric and the system employed. I think had Charles been given that opportunity he too would have looked better than he did.

I'll take you word for it on Les - he was widely slated for his performance on Saturday (I didn't watch the game so can't comment). We will never know if Charles would have looked better last year with a different manager. All that matters now is how he does for us when he returns. Let's hope he is as good as the folks at Wednesday have bene suggesting. Great to hear a loan that is going well. We had it with Tella, but by and large when we loan players out they are woeful.

[Chez]

37 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Lavia was a great signing agreed - but the leg work for that deal was done months in advance (by Ralph and Semmens) and this was discussed at the time of his signing. That transfer was similar to Tino (again ralph and Semmens) and was a great bit of business. I sure as hell am not going SR credit for being the ones that signed it off though - with their track record i am more surprised they didn't 🤣.

Brooks was decent enough. Not brilliant by any means though - if we'd signed him in the prem i doubt we'd have signed Fernandes for example - Suspect it would've been a similar sized fee and i know which one i'd rather have).

Ramsdale is a huge upgrade on our other keepers i agree. But there were loan keepers available, we spent £25M on ramsdale when the squad was already very weak, and if we get relegated is he really likely to stay? Starting keeper for Arsenal 2 seasons ago getting loads of plaudits - is he going to drop down to the champ? If he isn't, and given the high chance of us getting relegated when we signed him, surely a loan keeper with an extra £20M spent on CDM or striker was a better use of club funds? Thats my point on it at least. (I like ramsdale, very good shot stopper, but just feel owning him was a luxury we couldn't afford with our cloth this season - if he actually stays i'll take that back, just don't think he will).

Interesting, but why can't SR be credited for the Lavia signing, it followed their policy of investing in young talent and happened 8 months after they took over. Joe Shield (brought in by SR) officially joined in July, Saints signed Lavia in August. Maybe that was just a coincidence, but I'd wager he was involved in the move. I honestly didn't think Ralph was heavily involved in transfers. The fact we didn't sign a batch of players from Germany using his inside knowledge seemed strange to me. I guess I could be well wide of the mark there.

The Ramsdale signing was nothing short of miraculous IMO. I'm still amazed he came he. It was a brilliant signing and exactly what we needed. I dont give a fuck if he leaves. All top players do. He wont leave for buttons either. If anything his value may have increased. If we redid the summer, I'd spend the £20m on him again, without question. You make a very good point though - is that what you were saying in the summer - loan a keeper use the money elsewhere - I do recall that being said on here.

 

[miserableoldgit]

27 minutes ago, Chez said:

I'll take you word for it on Les - he was widely slated for his performance on Saturday (I didn't watch the game so can't comment). We will never know if Charles would have looked better last year with a different manager. All that matters now is how he does for us when he returns. Let's hope he is as good as the folks at Wednesday have bene suggesting. Great to hear a loan that is going well. We had it with Tella, but by and large when we loan players out they are woeful.

I don't think that Les was any worse (or better for that matter) than anybody else on Saturday. In fact not one player (with the possible exception of TD who at least ran at Brentford when he had the ball) came out with an ounce of credit from that debacle.......

[Chez]

9 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

I don't think that Les was any worse (or better for that matter) than anybody else on Saturday. In fact not one player (with the possible exception of TD who at least ran at Brentford when he had the ball) came out with an ounce of credit from that debacle.......

Seeing as your username is as it is, I feel no shame in moaning about posters like yourself using initials for players names. I saw CT used the other day. Not a fucking clue. The same with TD here - I had to google our squad. Help an ageing poster out here and refrain from this practice... 😉

[miserableoldgit]

8 minutes ago, Chez said:

Seeing as your username is as it is, I feel no shame in moaning about posters like yourself using initials for players names. I saw CT used the other day. Not a fucking clue. The same with TD here - I had to google our squad. Help an ageing poster out here and refrain from this practice... 😉

I will make an effort to stop. To be honest, I keep seeing people using "TBH" and thinking that they are talking about Taylor Harwood-Bellis....

Cheers.

MOG

Edited Tuesday at 18:05 by miserableoldgit

[ErwinK1961]

3 hours ago, Chez said:

I thought we were pretty entertaining most of the time. If I understand the term correctly, we were expansive too. We conceded a lot of goals, which was worrying, especially knowing it would be harder to keep clean sheets this season, but we scored a lot too. Some of the goals were fabulous one end to the other passing moves. For the most part we were a good side. Perhaps flat track bullies, but better than I thought we would be. And that's important in assessing RM. What were your expectations at the start of the season?

Over the course of the season expectations grew very quickly, so any poor performances really had fans moaning. The way Hull and Leicester murdered us not only destroyed straight promotion hopes but really hit home that we weren't a great side. Over the course of the season fans quickly forgot that the manager inherited a fucking nightmare situation of talent leaving right left and centre, unhappy players remaining and having to get a disjointed side with no pattern of play galvanised and winning quick sharp. No easy task. RM did a bloody good job there. The idea we were promoted despite RM rather than because of him is disingenuous.

Don't get me wrong, I recognise his failings. To be honest I was never a fan or really convinced by him, but after seeing us in the championship with Baguss (then Burley) at the helm, I wasn't expecting us to go straight back up, so was happy that we did it, even if it was through the play offs.     

None of this has anything to do with the transfer window of course, but in this vacuum (a real shame as I love discussing potential targets) there is not much to talk about. I started to look at talented Championship players that wont be promoted that we can sign in the summer, but it's folly to even discuss them as Sheff United or whoever are more likely to get them.

 

2 hours ago, Chez said:

I've stuck for him in a few recent posts, as not everything he did was shit or everything shit was his fault, but he was given a reasonable amount of time to find a solution and he failed, so had to be sacked. Not getting a new manager bounce and our past history of sacking a manager and employing an even worse one has us wondering if we have repeated the trick.

 

45 minutes ago, Chez said:

Interesting, but why can't SR be credited for the Lavia signing, it followed their policy of investing in young talent and happened 8 months after they took over. Joe Shield (brought in by SR) officially joined in July, Saints signed Lavia in August. Maybe that was just a coincidence, but I'd wager he was involved in the move. I honestly didn't think Ralph was heavily involved in transfers. The fact we didn't sign a batch of players from Germany using his inside knowledge seemed strange to me. I guess I could be well wide of the mark there.

The Ramsdale signing was nothing short of miraculous IMO. I'm still amazed he came he. It was a brilliant signing and exactly what we needed. I dont give a fuck if he leaves. All top players do. He wont leave for buttons either. If anything his value may have increased. If we redid the summer, I'd spend the £20m on him again, without question. You make a very good point though - is that what you were saying in the summer - loan a keeper use the money elsewhere - I do recall that being said on here.

 

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[Lighthouse]

What are the rules for third parties owning players, I forget what it was West Ham got done for in that court case with Tevez? Could you set up a limited company that owns players like BBD, Fraser, Armstrong, Bednarek, etc. and just rent them out to whoever gets relegated from the PL for a certain fee, plus wages. There’s a growing niche that’s cropped up for players who are too good for the Championship but not good enough for the PL.

I jest but that’s not a long way off their best practical use.

[Baird of the land]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

We should be letting Shea see out the season at Wednesday and get the full Championship season under his belt and then come back to help take us up next season.

I see no benefit to anyone in bringing Shea back to us now.

Disagree completely. There’s the benefit of giving him extra months to work with Juric, as well as helping saints avoiding a record low points total.

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Disagree completely. There’s the benefit of giving him extra months to work with Juric, as well as helping saints avoiding a record low points total.

Juric might not even be here then. I agree with @CB Fry give him a full season playing every week at the level he'll be playing at next season. No point coming back and being a squad player in a team that's going to lose most weeks for the rest of the season.

[Ken Tone]

4 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I’m genuinely interested in knowing how you would cancel player contracts without huge cost to the club (even if it was legally possible)? And even if the club managed to ship out players in this manner, what kind of message would that send out to prospective incoming players? If we’re not the most unattractive club in the top 3 divisions of most European countries right now, I reckon that would do the trick. The best we can hope for is that Juric is telling certain players they are no longer needed and they’re working furiously with their agents to get a move away before they have a relegation on the CV’s.

I wasn't expecting any contracts to be cancelled. Legally tricky!

I was referring to sending out players on loan, to lower league clubs of course, with the incentive to the player being to actually play, and put themselves in the shop window  -- or even prove themselves worthy of a recall to saints next season. 

[Lighthouse]

40 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Disagree completely. There’s the benefit of giving him extra months to work with Juric, as well as helping saints avoiding a record low points total.

He didn’t look ready for Championship football most of the time last season and appears to be just about finding his feet there now. I highly doubt he’d make any noticeable difference to this squad.

[Baird of the land]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

He didn’t look ready for Championship football most of the time last season and appears to be just about finding his feet there now. I highly doubt he’d make any noticeable difference to this squad.

I’d argue it was a coaching misfit last season. Think he would make a difference this season as our midfield is extremely poor.

[S-Clarke]

Shea Charles coming back would be a bad move for him. He'll make no difference to our season, so there's absolutley no point.

We're going to have tons of broken players come the end of the season, so let's leave guys like Shea alone and give him the time to enjoy football.

And also, for what it's worth, I can see us cashing in during the summer. Apparently some Serie A and Bundesliga clubs have been tracking him heavily this year. He could be one of the more 'unexpected' sales from the summer. I feel a Tella situation.

Edited Tuesday at 20:34 by S-Clarke

[pimpin4rizeal]

5 hours ago, Chez said:

I am not sure I agree with that. Their job is to get the ball and move it and protect the back four. No matter what Prem side you are at, that is the same task all CMs are faced with. Does RM get the blame for everything now?

I've not seen much of Les - he looked OK in one game, but most on here seem to have been unimpressed by him. The task he faces is much harder as we are struggling and the opponents strong. 

I watched all of Charles' games in the championship and he was poor IMO in a lot of them. He looked lethargic and his touch and passing was not good and to be honest he looked a bit out of his depth. I thought defensively he wasn't great either. That was last season, and quite rightly as a young player he should be given time to find his feet and a long run of games. I think Kenwyne Jones was the last fella we loaned to Wednesday and he came back and was  `superstar' for us. Hope Charles is the same.      

I think les just isn’t a very tidy footballer doesn’t really have much of a touch, sloppy passing and obviously still very inexperienced .. can only think that us and Chelsea got sold by how he looks physically for his age 

Edited Tuesday at 20:50 by pimpin4rizeal

[Lighthouse]

21 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Shea Charles coming back would be a bad move for him. He'll make no difference to our season, so there's absolutley no point.

We're going to have tons of broken players come the end of the season, so let's leave guys like Shea alone and give him the time to enjoy football.

And also, for what it's worth, I can see us cashing in during the summer. Apparently some Serie A and Bundesliga clubs have been tracking him heavily this year. He could be one of the more 'unexpected' sales from the summer. I feel a Tella situation.

It wouldn’t be the worst outcome in the world. I’ve seen quite a few comparisons to Tella, often described in a negative tone, but as far as I’m concerned we turned a tidy profit on a player who never did anything for us. If we do sell it’ll be for a fee which suits us.

[West end Saints]

3 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

He didn’t look ready for Championship football most of the time last season and appears to be just about finding his feet there now. I highly doubt he’d make any noticeable difference to this squad.

Would struggle to be as bad as Downes and Aribo have been this season

[Lighthouse]

16 minutes ago, West end Saints said:

Would struggle to be as bad as Downes and Aribo have been this season

He could be, quite easily, and there’s no reason to think he’d be any better.

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

He didn’t look ready for Championship football most of the time last season and appears to be just about finding his feet there now. I highly doubt he’d make any noticeable difference to this squad.

Surely part of the reason for bringing him back would be to try to assure him he has a future here and that he would have a big role next year. Quite possible he will be off in the summer and we get zero benefit from him and no effort to try to get him to stay. 

[egg]

13 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

He could be, quite easily, and there’s no reason to think he’d be any better.

Yep. He won't make any meaningful difference to our lost season so leave him where he is where he can get more minutes and develop. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

6 hours ago, Chez said:

I'll take you word for it on Les - he was widely slated for his performance on Saturday (I didn't watch the game so can't comment). We will never know if Charles would have looked better last year with a different manager. All that matters now is how he does for us when he returns. Let's hope he is as good as the folks at Wednesday have bene suggesting. Great to hear a loan that is going well. We had it with Tella, but by and large when we loan players out they are woeful.

Don’t mean to be overly argumentative, but we do know that Charles looks better under a different Manager. That’s exactly why he’s getting starts at Wednesday and their fans love him surely?

[CB Fry]

7 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Don’t mean to be overly argumentative, but we do know that Charles looks better under a different Manager. That’s exactly why he’s getting starts at Wednesday and their fans love him surely?

Tenth place in the Championship with not a particularly good goals against record.

If we loaned them Ryan Fraser or Will Smallbone or James Bree its likely their fans would 'love' them too.

 

 

[Nolan]

Look at Shea Charles objectively.

Transfermarkt value him at £10million.

It is very difficult for clubs in our position to get signings over the line. 

If we buy another player in his role the squad gets even bigger for September 

If we loan another player in his role it wastes a loan move.

Bringing him back would just cost us part of the loan fee / wages.

I think it would be foolish not to bring him back.

[lambtiss]

49 minutes ago, Nolan said:

Look at Shea Charles objectively.

Transfermarkt value him at £10million.

It is very difficult for clubs in our position to get signings over the line. 

If we buy another player in his role the squad gets even bigger for September 

If we loan another player in his role it wastes a loan move.

Bringing him back would just cost us part of the loan fee / wages.

I think it would be foolish not to bring him back.

I think Shea has huge potential and would have been a better option in the PL than Ugochukwu as a DM. He started strongly last season but his form declined under RM as he was asked to do things that weren't part of his game at that point in his development (i.e new to senior professional football). 

[lambtiss]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

Tenth place in the Championship with not a particularly good goals against record.

If we loaned them Ryan Fraser or Will Smallbone or James Bree its likely their fans would 'love' them too.

 

 

Couldn't disagree more. This is a Wednesday team that is by all accounts a basket case of a club that should be fighting to stave off relegation. People forget Shea's age (still only 21). Stoke fans were not raving about Smallbone when he was on loan there. Bree, Smallbone and Fraser are seasoned professionals who weren't even stand out stars in the Championship last season (Bree hardly had a game). 

He is our player, has huge potential, is doing really well and will be extremely useful next season after gaining a full season's experience of championship football. The question should be whether Shea wants ro stay at another basket case of a club in the Championship having already more than proved himself at that level. 

 

Edited yesterday at 08:47 by lambtiss

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

Tenth place in the Championship with not a particularly good goals against record.

If we loaned them Ryan Fraser or Will Smallbone or James Bree its likely their fans would 'love' them too.

 

 

Maybe, but those guys are not youngsters. Not only that it’s hardly fair to judge Charles based on an entire teams performance’s. Fact is he’s improved under a different manager/system.

[Dman]

14 hours ago, Turkish said:

Juric might not even be here then. I agree with @CB Fry give him a full season playing every week at the level he'll be playing at next season. No point coming back and being a squad player in a team that's going to lose most weeks for the rest of the season.

My gut says we might go back in for Rohl in the summer. Which if that is the plan (its nothing more than something in my head at the minute), it would make loads of sense to keep him there. 

Charles isn't going to help our season. Bring him back next season on a high rather than with a load of "scar tissue".

[ally_uk]

Can we just sign a couple of units like hard bastards.... 

Don't necessarily have to be skillful, just want a couple of lads who are tall, strong and Don't fuck about with the tackles...

Proper old skool holding midfielder and a experienced leader at the back will do. 

And a striker.

Problem with our team is we are just powder puff, weak mentality has been for a few seasons now get some bollox and heart in this squad! 

 

[Convict Colony]

10 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Surely part of the reason for bringing him back would be to try to assure him he has a future here and that he would have a big role next year. Quite possible he will be off in the summer and we get zero benefit from him and no effort to try to get him to stay. 

I'd also give him a taste for what the premier league is like so in theory he knows what its about if we get promoted, also playing at that level might elevate his game and performance next season v championship player even further.

Anyway it could be a moot point cos if chelsea recall big les we have to recall him anyway.

A lot depends on oour manager plans, if it is rohl in the summer then let him play for him further.

Edited yesterday at 10:06 by Convict Colony

[lambtiss]

On 06/01/2025 at 11:03, benjii said:

I haven't ever seen anything to suggesy he's disinterested. He does his best, he's just not PL standard.

 

26 minutes ago, Dman said:

My gut says we might go back in for Rohl in the summer. Which if that is the plan (its nothing more than something in my head at the minute), it would make loads of sense to keep him there. 

Charles isn't going to help our season. Bring him back next season on a high rather than with a load of "scar tissue".

I think you are right about Rohl, he seems to be doing a great job at a "basket case" of a Championship club which will make us an ideal fit for next season. By then he will know what it takes to get out of the Championship and a good idea of which players he will need to achieve that.

[Patrick Bateman]

25 minutes ago, lambtiss said:

 

I think you are right about Rohl, he seems to be doing a great job at a "basket case" of a Championship club which will make us an ideal fit for next season. By then he will know what it takes to get out of the Championship and a good idea of which players he will need to achieve that.

I think that's exactly right re Rohl.  I've nothing against Juric and hope he can get this lot playing, but I just can't see him wanting to be here beyond this season and that escape route is contracted in for a very good reason. I see him as the 2024/5 version of West Brom's Pepe Mel. 

[Oldandtired]

3 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Tenth place in the Championship with not a particularly good goals against record.

 

 

 

Didn’t realise you could foretell the future…

The way we’re going that’s us next year.

Edited yesterday at 10:45 by Oldandtired

[Scummer]

I wonder what proportion of the people who just want to give up on this season actually go to matches and have season tickets? Yes obviously we are going to be relegated, but I've still got hundreds invested in the remaining matches. I'd like to eke out at least some value from that.

[Roo1976]

1 hour ago, Dman said:

My gut says we might go back in for Rohl in the summer. Which if that is the plan (its nothing more than something in my head at the minute), it would make loads of sense to keep him there. 

Charles isn't going to help our season. Bring him back next season on a high rather than with a load of "scar tissue".

Amazing how good we feel our loan players are when they have a relatively good start out on loan ,and we see the shambles we are left with struggling to (now Martins gone) string a few decent passes together and keep possession of the game plan. We really are  a lost cause this season no matter whos in charge. SP and thier seemingly blind faith in what they are being told, are to blame for not being strong with an actual goal for whats to come.

[egg]

27 minutes ago, Scummer said:

I wonder what proportion of the people who just want to give up on this season actually go to matches and have season tickets? Yes obviously we are going to be relegated, but I've still got hundreds invested in the remaining matches. I'd like to eke out at least some value from that.

No disrespect, but I'd rather the club didn't throw away millions on signings which won't make a difference to the outcome of this season so that you feel you've got value from your hundreds. 

[Dusic]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7493096.stm

Was this move ever officially confirmed? If he still contracted he could do a job next season.

[Saint Mikey]

2 minutes ago, Dusic said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7493096.stm

Was this move ever officially confirmed? If he still contracted he could do a job next season.

That's a blast from the past. I bumped into him once in a kebab joint in Bedford Place late on a Sat. Nice chap. Probably helped we'd won away that day, but can't remember against who.

[Monk]

5 minutes ago, Dusic said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7493096.stm

Was this move ever officially confirmed? If he still contracted he could do a job next season.

The supporting article throws up some nostalgia names, Mario Licka I loved him and his missus at the time (sadly appears they've split up). 

[Chez]

38 minutes ago, Saint Mikey said:

That's a blast from the past. I bumped into him once in a kebab joint in Bedford Place late on a Sat. Nice chap. Probably helped we'd won away that day, but can't remember against who.

We beat QPR, Sheffield United, Leicester and Burnley away that season.

[Lighthouse]

5 hours ago, Nolan said:

Look at Shea Charles objectively.

Transfermarkt value him at £10million.

It is very difficult for clubs in our position to get signings over the line. 

If we buy another player in his role the squad gets even bigger for September 

If we loan another player in his role it wastes a loan move.

Bringing him back would just cost us part of the loan fee / wages.

I think it would be foolish not to bring him back.

Looking at Charles objectively, he’s a mid table Championship player. If he wasn’t already on our books and we signed him now to help keep us up, people on here would rightly blow a fuse at how pathetically low our recruitment department was aiming.

[Chez]

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/shea-charles-drops-hint-on-sheffield-wednesday-future-in-fan-conversation-4932633

Story in a nutshell:

"Are you happy here?"
"Yes, more than happy here."

[sadoldgit]

10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Looking at Charles objectively, he’s a mid table Championship player. If he wasn’t already on our books and we signed him now to help keep us up, people on here would rightly blow a fuse at how pathetically low our recruitment department was aiming.

If we’re are looking objectively he is also a member of his international team and has the Manchester City pedigree, currently plying his trade in the Championship to get playing time for further development.

[The Realist]

As others have said about Charles, leave him at Sheff. Wed and then have him back in the summer to play for us in the Championship with Danny Rohl as our new manager.

We have made exactly the same mistake as we did last time in the Prem.  We sacked Ralph and plan B was to have Juric but he wasn't available so we got Nathan Jones (cheap version of Juric) - that was a disaster as we all know and then Selles just tried to stay in games but ultimately never looked like winning many.  I think Martin did a fantastic jobof getting that team playing decent football and having a winning mentality - we were a basket case back then and he deserved a lot of credit to improve morale/confidence.  It is a shame he didn't adapt his style as now we have sacked him and brought in Juric, the parallels with sacking Ralph and what followed is shocking.  This is all on SR management.  

So we have to re-boot again, pick up a squad on their knees and the man to do that is Rohl.  So leave Charles where he is.

[Toussaint]

23 minutes ago, Chez said:

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/shea-charles-drops-hint-on-sheffield-wednesday-future-in-fan-conversation-4932633

Story in a nutshell:

"Are you happy here?"
"Yes, more than happy here."

He's is currently laying awake every night dreading the recall.

[Lighthouse]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

If we’re are looking objectively he is also a member of his international team and has the Manchester City pedigree, currently plying his trade in the Championship to get playing time for further development.

That’s not being objective, that’s being deliberately vague to try and make him seem a superficially better player. None of that proves anything; He plays for NI, just like Corry Evans, and came through Man City’s academy, just like Angus Gunn. Would you want to sign either of those two, based on that criteria?

[woodsaint1]

9 hours ago, lambtiss said:

I think Shea has huge potential and would have been a better option in the PL than Ugochukwu as a DM. He started strongly last season but his form declined under RM as he was asked to do things that weren't part of his game at that point in his development (i.e new to senior professional football). 

Said it before on here that hes been excellent for NI under Michael O'Neill, a manager who keeps it simple and asks players to just work hard and do their job

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

That’s not being objective, that’s being deliberately vague to try and make him seem a superficially better player. None of that proves anything; He plays for NI, just like Corry Evans, and came through Man City’s academy, just like Angus Gunn. Would you want to sign either of those two, based on that criteria?

Cole Palmer also came through the Manchester City academy and he hasn’t done too badly has he?

[Lighthouse]

16 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Cole Palmer also came through the Manchester City academy and he hasn’t done too badly has he?

So what? If a statement can be equally applied to Cole Palmer and Angus Gunn, all that proves is that it’s basically meaningless, which is my point. Saying he came through Man City’s academy is a pointless statement, like saying Keith Harris and Eva Perón both like Jaffa Bars.

[ErwinK1961]

47 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Cole Palmer also came through the Manchester City academy and he hasn’t done too badly has he?

Palmers loan deal at Sheffield Wednesday really set up his career tbf.

[Maggie May]

1 hour ago, woodsaint1 said:

Said it before on here that hes been excellent for NI under Michael O'Neill, a manager who keeps it simple and asks players to just work hard and do their job

Michael O’Neill is a lower Championship manager. 

There are some really entertaining takes on here at the moment. Keep them coming.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

14 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Michael O’Neill is a lower Championship manager. 

There are some really entertaining takes on here at the moment. Keep them coming.

So was Russell Martin