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1 hour ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

He really is not as bad as people think. I watched a lot of him at Blackburn and given the right support and played in the right position he could still be an asset for us next season. He is a player who thrives on confidence, apparently and at present because of the way he was treated by Martin he is at a low ebb indeed.

The only type of player who will come to us this January is an older player on his way down looking for a final swansong or, a young player yet to make it in the PL who fancies a crack. Neither fills me with any hope but we are, because of our position, hardly an attractive proposition. We have a Board who have unquestionably presided over two of the worst seasons in our 140 year history and a recent recruitment record that is literally gruesome. We really do need to get back to basics and regroup this summer, but I fear the new manager will be off when the break clause comes up. It's a shame because off the pitch the current owners seem to have a vision but we lack a real football man in amongst the hipsters. 

I agree with Duncan re his comments on BBD.
I have a mate who is a Blackburn Rovers season ticket holder.
Like Duncan, my mate reckons BBD is a confidence player and certainly seems to have spells when he is a regular goal scorer and others when hie is frankly 'crap' as per his outings for Saints so far.
The only glimmer of hope I have seen so far in his career at SMS was a very tidy goal in the game v Lazio pre season when he cut inside a curled a beauty into the net. Apart from that he has done buggar all and doesn't look fit.
I whole heatedly agree with Duncan's opinion on Sports Republic.
Off the field I believe they have done pretty well and credit to them (or the Commercial Dept perhaps?) for that.
Overall though, the purchase of players, apart from one or two exceptions, has been dreadful and whoever is in charge of recruitment should be looking for alternative employment.

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8 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

Overall though, the purchase of players, apart from one or two exceptions, has been dreadful and whoever is in charge of recruitment should be looking for alternative employment.

More than just one or two. They've signed good keepers, defenders and midfielders and largely have got those right in recent windows. 

It is attacking players they have a blindspot for. I think largely because they take the approach of rather than signing one real quality attacker for a big price, they go for two players in a lower ability bracket for a similar combined price. They didn't splash out more on a player who would be a big threat. Instead we've bloated the squad with attacking players who will stand out in the Championship, but aren't good enough to make an impact in the Premier League.

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BBD was quite possibly the worst-suited player to possession football I've ever seen.

He's technically awful but could be useful on the counter under Juric, possibly.

Would be good if we could get him scoring because him, Armstrong and Archer would be some serious firepower in the Championship.

Equally I'm not bothered if he fucks off because he's shown nothing here so far.

Posted
16 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:


I’ve seen better players down at Sunday league. He can’t trap a bag of cement. His touch is about 10 yards ahead of him every time. 
 

He’s slow, always in the wrong position. Just all around shocking player. Not sure why you want to defend such a toilet player but go off, I guess. 
 

Id sell him and Sulemana in a heartbeat personally. If we can’t find better than these donkeys I’d sack the entire recruitment team too. 

Anyone who can score 22 goals in 37 Championship matches (2021-22) cannot be that bad. Are you going on what you have seen this season (in which case I would argue you are not giving him a fair hearing)?

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Ivan Juric in his press conference this afternoon has just talked up Sulemana, Bella-Kotchap and Ugochukwu as players that weren't in favour under Martin who could have an impact for him. So would appear he is keen for all to stay.

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48 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

Unless Villa are in for him I don't see KWP accepting a move to Fulham or Brentford level club.  When he's available on a free he'd likely get more offers with moves to bigger clubs.  Maybe even a CL level team

He only came here in the first place because he was third or fourth choice at Spurs and TBH he’s not that good that he’d go back and hold down a place at a club that size. Someone like West Ham, Fulham or Brentford really is about his level for regular football. I think our perception of quality has been skewed somewhat by how awful we are this season but even the two or three of our best players would only get a game for a midtable side. There’s not one CL quality player in the squad.

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6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

There’s not one CL quality player in the squad.

I think Ramsdale is or is at least pretty close given he recently has done so. Plus Dibling and Fernandes might be in the future.

I guess you mean 'in the squad of English clubs playing Champions League', because quite a few of our players would be good enough for at least some of the 36 teams in the league stage. Sturm Graz, Slovan Bratislava, Young Boys etc.

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27 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

He only came here in the first place because he was third or fourth choice at Spurs and TBH he’s not that good that he’d go back and hold down a place at a club that size. Someone like West Ham, Fulham or Brentford really is about his level for regular football. I think our perception of quality has been skewed somewhat by how awful we are this season but even the two or three of our best players would only get a game for a midtable side. There’s not one CL quality player in the squad.

I don't disagree with your analysis, but I'm thinking of his perception of his abilities, which may well be that he's good enough to play regularly for a top 6 team.  Or maybe go abroad where the standards are a little lower.  He certainly would likely get a better financial package on a free, so that may be in his thinking as well

Posted
2 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

He really is not as bad as people think. I watched a lot of him at Blackburn and given the right support and played in the right position he could still be an asset for us next season. He is a player who thrives on confidence, apparently and at present because of the way he was treated by Martin he is at a low ebb indeed.

The only type of player who will come to us this January is an older player on his way down looking for a final swansong or, a young player yet to make it in the PL who fancies a crack. Neither fills me with any hope but we are, because of our position, hardly an attractive proposition. We have a Board who have unquestionably presided over two of the worst seasons in our 140 year history and a recent recruitment record that is literally gruesome. We really do need to get back to basics and regroup this summer, but I fear the new manager will be off when the break clause comes up. It's a shame because off the pitch the current owners seem to have a vision but we lack a real football man in amongst the hipsters. 

I agree with you, I saw a bit of him at forest and Blackburn and always thought he looked a decent player. The fact he did alright at Sheffield United too shows he must have something but he’s been played out of position by the genius then discarded. I think there is a player in there used correctly, something Martin struggled with no I just with him either 

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9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I agree with you, I saw a bit of him at forest and Blackburn and always thought he looked a decent player. The fact he did alright at Sheffield United too shows he must have something but he’s been played out of position by the genius then discarded. I think there is a player in there used correctly, something Martin struggled with no I just with him either 

What position do you think he was in that was out of position for him? Martin largely used him out wide on the left, which is where he was effective for previous clubs.

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Posted
47 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

I think Ramsdale is or is at least pretty close given he recently has done so. Plus Dibling and Fernandes might be in the future.

I guess you mean 'in the squad of English clubs playing Champions League', because quite a few of our players would be good enough for at least some of the 36 teams in the league stage. Sturm Graz, Slovan Bratislava, Young Boys etc.

Great work Mr Logic, you’ve excelled yourself there 😂.

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Posted
1 hour ago, spyinthesky said:

I agree with Duncan re his comments on BBD.
I have a mate who is a Blackburn Rovers season ticket holder.
Like Duncan, my mate reckons BBD is a confidence player and certainly seems to have spells when he is a regular goal scorer and others when hie is frankly 'crap' as per his outings for Saints so far.
The only glimmer of hope I have seen so far in his career at SMS was a very tidy goal in the game v Lazio pre season when he cut inside a curled a beauty into the net. Apart from that he has done buggar all and doesn't look fit.
I whole heatedly agree with Duncan's opinion on Sports Republic.
Off the field I believe they have done pretty well and credit to them (or the Commercial Dept perhaps?) for that.
Overall though, the purchase of players, apart from one or two exceptions, has been dreadful and whoever is in charge of recruitment should be looking for alternative employment.

It's a legacy of RM's pre season training and is affecting the whole squad. I heard Troy Deeney on Talk Sport when they were discussing Man Utd's lack of fitness and he said anytime he missed some pre season training due to injury he always really struggled. We continue to pay the price for incompetence by RM and his coaches.

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I don't see walker peters starting in a top ten team.. squad filler maybe.

Bbd has been bloody awful.  I still can't believe we signed someone worse than Che Adams.. 

Whilst tall Paul is amusing he has to start scoring now 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Anyone who can score 22 goals in 37 Championship matches (2021-22) cannot be that bad. Are you going on what you have seen this season (in which case I would argue you are not giving him a fair hearing)?


I do not watch Blackburn and don’t intend to. 
 

Based purely off what I’ve seen of him this season, I wouldn’t even put him at league one level. I think he has nothing about him at all. 
 

Even Lee Barnard had a better touch in league one. 

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Posted
7 hours ago, lambtiss said:

It could happen. He should be tempted to return to a club where he had a good scoring record and will get games. At Southampton he is not even getting any gametime. He would also be swapping a club that is getting relegated to a club that may will be promoted into the PL (possibly on the back of his goals). 

I was referring to kwp. I agree a bbd move seems feasible.

Posted
1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

What position do you think he was in that was out of position for him? Martin largely used him out wide on the left, which is where he was effective for previous clubs.

First home game of the season against Forest, BBD was hugging the left touchline and AA hugging the right, very weird tactics IMO.

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Posted
5 hours ago, saintant said:

And he's the same guy who laid the ground for certain relegation.

We were nailed on for relegation at the start of the season. The rate of achieving our fate is what has pissed most off. 

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Posted
5 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

He really is not as bad as people think. I watched a lot of him at Blackburn and given the right support and played in the right position he could still be an asset for us next season. He is a player who thrives on confidence, apparently and at present because of the way he was treated by Martin he is at a low ebb indeed. 

Nah, going to have to disagree with that. If anything, BBD was given too much opportunity to show how poor a signing he has been. 

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7 hours ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

Someone can pick up a real bargain in with KWP, even in January. I can see him ending up somewhere like Palace, Fulham or Brighton, he’s versatile and would be cheap even just as cover.

Kerkes is rumoured to be a target for Liverpool in Jan so, although he’s a left back, KWP could be seen as a cheap option for Bournemouth. 

All those clubs seem a good fit. At Palace, Munez has his limitation and the skate Ward is 35 and out of contract in the summer. At Fulham, Tete is also out of contract in the summer. Brentford fullbacks both have another 18 months on their deals.

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1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

Based purely off what I’ve seen of him this season, I wouldn’t even put him at league one level. I think he has nothing about him at all. 

Totally agree. BBD is the most one-footed player I've seen for a long time (and that includes Che). His touch is poor, he's slow. In fact, can't think he has any redeeming qualities.

Really don't prescribe to this view of "AA and BBD will be good for us next year in the Championship". Because if we get promoted, we're in the same boat again. I'd much rather our scouts went out looking for raw talent in League 1 & 2. Archer will score loads of goals for us in the Championship. 

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37 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

We were nailed on for relegation at the start of the season. The rate of achieving our fate is what has pissed most off. 

The only nails were the ones RM hammered firmly into our coffin with each passing game. We were definitely alive at the start of the season - so it goes way further than being pissed off at the rate of decline. Back on topic - can't see us doing anything other than loans in January. No point throwing good money into this mess.

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22 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Totally agree. BBD is the most one-footed player I've seen for a long time (and that includes Che). His touch is poor, he's slow. In fact, can't think he has any redeeming qualities.

Really don't prescribe to this view of "AA and BBD will be good for us next year in the Championship". Because if we get promoted, we're in the same boat again. I'd much rather our scouts went out looking for raw talent in League 1 & 2. Archer will score loads of goals for us in the Championship. 

If we can reboot with strikers that can not only get us out of the championship but cause problems for Prem defences, that would be amazing. Also, extremely hard to do. Armstrong and Bbd are signed on until 2027. Not sure either will be easy to shift.

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24 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Totally agree. BBD is the most one-footed player I've seen for a long time (and that includes Che). His touch is poor, he's slow. In fact, can't think he has any redeeming qualities.

Really don't prescribe to this view of "AA and BBD will be good for us next year in the Championship". Because if we get promoted, we're in the same boat again. I'd much rather our scouts went out looking for raw talent in League 1 & 2. Archer will score loads of goals for us in the Championship. 

I can’t see any reason to think there’re any players in L1 which will get us promoted next season and do a decent job keeping us up the year after. Players like Lambert who can make that leap in a short space of time any very rare. Archer, AA and BBD is a pretty good Championship strike force, we need to keep it and spend elsewhere. IF we get promoted in 18 months time, then will be the time to recruit some better strikers.

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17 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I can’t see any reason to think there’re any players in L1 which will get us promoted next season and do a decent job keeping us up the year after. Players like Lambert who can make that leap in a short space of time any very rare. Archer, AA and BBD is a pretty good Championship strike force, we need to keep it and spend elsewhere. IF we get promoted in 18 months time, then will be the time to recruit some better strikers.

I agree, they can score goals in the championship, but who is going to provide and set them up?

It's very easy to focus on our crap, misfiring strike-force (because they are), but we are also lacking in the creative department.

Last season we had Stuart Armstrong and KWP as the to main players who could transistion us out of ball retention, and into attacking play. Next season we need new players like them, as the two most likely answers, Dibling and KWP, won't be here.

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27 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I can’t see any reason to think there’re any players in L1 which will get us promoted next season and do a decent job keeping us up the year after. Players like Lambert who can make that leap in a short space of time any very rare. Archer, AA and BBD is a pretty good Championship strike force, we need to keep it and spend elsewhere. IF we get promoted in 18 months time, then will be the time to recruit some better strikers.

Lambert, Vardy, Ollie Watkins...they're out there. Half of the problem is clubs in the premier league can't afford to gamble of lower league players. Being one of the richer clubs in the Championship, we can. They're not going to cost a fortune.

Midfield could be a problem. Can see Suga staying. He can cross a ball. Shea Charles will be back.

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1 hour ago, notnowcato said:

We were nailed on for relegation at the start of the season. The rate of achieving our fate is what has pissed most off. 

You are probably right but we'd have expected much better and at least to have been still in with a slim hope at this stage of the season. By being so enthralled with his own vanity project he turned this season into a car crash and an embarrassment very early on. It didn't have to be this way if not for RM's foolishness.

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Posted
21 minutes ago, saintant said:

You are probably right but we'd have expected much better and at least to have been still in with a slim hope at this stage of the season. By being so enthralled with his own vanity project he turned this season into a car crash and an embarrassment very early on. It didn't have to be this way if not for RM's foolishness.

Maybe. We’re a long way short of the quality needed both on and off the pitch to have a stood a decent chance of avoiding relegation. 

Posted (edited)
On 01/01/2025 at 11:03, Lighthouse said:

TBH I wouldn't really want that either. It sounds like Shea is developing well at a level and club which suits him. I don't think it'd really benefit either him or us, coming back here into this farce of a team.

I’d be tempted to bring him back .. we are super light on defensive midfielders. Makes more sense to recall him then buy one  Aribo doesn’t look like he works in a 2 man midfield .. it’s possible Charles could be better then both downes  and Lesley.

the biggest plus of leaving him there is it might be easier to keep him next season as if we blood him in the prem and he does well he will have more suitors 

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Posted (edited)
46 minutes ago, bugenhagen said:

I agree, they can score goals in the championship, but who is going to provide and set them up?

It's very easy to focus on our crap, misfiring strike-force (because they are), but we are also lacking in the creative department.

Last season we had Stuart Armstrong and KWP as the to main players who could transistion us out of ball retention, and into attacking play. Next season we need new players like them, as the two most likely answers, Dibling and KWP, won't be here.

And the other midfielder who was breaking the lines, Alcaraz, got sold because he wasn’t suited to Martin’s atrocious football. Yet was a rare bright spot under Selles. Without the boring austerity of Martinball, we should be able to find a couple of AMCs and wingers with pace.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

I can’t see any reason to think there’re any players in L1 which will get us promoted next season and do a decent job keeping us up the year after. Players like Lambert who can make that leap in a short space of time any very rare. Archer, AA and BBD is a pretty good Championship strike force, we need to keep it and spend elsewhere. IF we get promoted in 18 months time, then will be the time to recruit some better strikers.

Quite like Stansfield at Birmingham.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

I can’t see any reason to think there’re any players in L1 which will get us promoted next season and do a decent job keeping us up the year after. Players like Lambert who can make that leap in a short space of time any very rare. Archer, AA and BBD is a pretty good Championship strike force, we need to keep it and spend elsewhere. IF we get promoted in 18 months time, then will be the time to recruit some better strikers.

All true except this is Saints we're talking about. Recruiting a striker has been a perennial issue. And with our current owners we're more likely to reward the three of them with bumper contracts if we get promoted back up.

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20 minutes ago, coalman said:

All true except this is Saints we're talking about. Recruiting a striker has been a perennial issue. And with our current owners we're more likely to reward the three of them with bumper contracts if we get promoted back up.

Now THAT I believe!

Posted
2 hours ago, bugenhagen said:

I agree, they can score goals in the championship, but who is going to provide and set them up?

It's very easy to focus on our crap, misfiring strike-force (because they are), but we are also lacking in the creative department.

Last season we had Stuart Armstrong and KWP as the to main players who could transistion us out of ball retention, and into attacking play. Next season we need new players like them, as the two most likely answers, Dibling and KWP, won't be here.

IF we could somehow hold on to Fernandes he could be a very handy Stu Armstrong replacement in the Championship, and more than likely cut it in the PL the following year. 

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13 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I’d be tempted to bring him back .. we are super light on defensive midfielders. Makes more sense to recall him then buy one  Aribo doesn’t look like he works in a 2 man midfield .. it’s possible Charles could be better then both downes  and Lesley.

the biggest plus of leaving him there is it might be easier to keep him next season as if we blood him in the prem and he does well he will have more suitors 

I'd bring him back and buy a defensive midfielder as well to give us more cover and to strengthen the side.

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Ok so I thought I would try and guess a striker option we could look at in Jan, will keep digging but this was a first possible one.

For our striker I am working on the premise Juric wants a striker he knows, can already play the system and has scored goals for him who is not the current starting striker for his team. 

I also like the idea of italian based strikers who face defensive minded, tactical football every week coming up agains the chaos theory of the premier league, I think they score more goals here for sure.

Antonio Sanabria - Torino so Che can hopefully give him a debrief

315 matches - 82 goals and 15 assists

Seems to be 2nd striking option there currently 

Scouting Report:

Position: His natural position is as a central striker, where he operates best leading the line. 

Playing Style:

  • Goal Scorer: Sanabria has a knack for finding the back of the net, showing good positioning inside the box and a decent finishing ability. His goal-scoring record, while not prolific, indicates he can be a threat in front of goal.
  • Versatility: He can also play as a second striker or in a more withdrawn role, adapting to systems that require him to drop deeper to link play or exploit spaces.
  • Technical Ability: Sanabria possesses good technical skills, which include dribbling, ball control, and passing. He's capable of holding up play and bringing teammates into the game, though this isn't his primary role.
  • Physicality: He has average speed but compensates with decent strength for his size, allowing him to shield the ball and compete in aerial duels.
  • Work Rate: He's known for his work ethic, often pressing defenders and contributing defensively when out of possession.

Strengths:

  • Finishing: Particularly effective with his weaker left foot, which adds unpredictability.
  • Movement: Good off-the-ball movement to find space.
  • Penalty Taking: He has taken on the responsibility of penalty kicks for his team, showing confidence and skill in that aspect.

Tactical Role: Under coaches like Ivan Jurić, who demand high pressing and tactical versatility, Sanabria has been used both as a lone striker in a counter-attack setup and in more fluid attacking systems where he can interchange positions with other forwards.

Obligatory youtube

 

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2 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Ok so I thought I would try and guess a striker option we could look at in Jan, will keep digging but this was a first possible one.

For our striker I am working on the premise Juric wants a striker he knows, can already play the system and has scored goals for him who is not the current starting striker for his team. 

I also like the idea of italian based strikers who face defensive minded, tactical football every week coming up agains the chaos theory of the premier league, I think they score more goals here for sure.

Antonio Sanabria - Torino so Che can hopefully give him a debrief

315 matches - 82 goals and 15 assists

Seems to be 2nd striking option there currently 

Scouting Report:

Position: His natural position is as a central striker, where he operates best leading the line. 

Playing Style:

  • Goal Scorer: Sanabria has a knack for finding the back of the net, showing good positioning inside the box and a decent finishing ability. His goal-scoring record, while not prolific, indicates he can be a threat in front of goal.
  • Versatility: He can also play as a second striker or in a more withdrawn role, adapting to systems that require him to drop deeper to link play or exploit spaces.
  • Technical Ability: Sanabria possesses good technical skills, which include dribbling, ball control, and passing. He's capable of holding up play and bringing teammates into the game, though this isn't his primary role.
  • Physicality: He has average speed but compensates with decent strength for his size, allowing him to shield the ball and compete in aerial duels.
  • Work Rate: He's known for his work ethic, often pressing defenders and contributing defensively when out of possession.

Strengths:

  • Finishing: Particularly effective with his weaker left foot, which adds unpredictability.
  • Movement: Good off-the-ball movement to find space.
  • Penalty Taking: He has taken on the responsibility of penalty kicks for his team, showing confidence and skill in that aspect.

Tactical Role: Under coaches like Ivan Jurić, who demand high pressing and tactical versatility, Sanabria has been used both as a lone striker in a counter-attack setup and in more fluid attacking systems where he can interchange positions with other forwards.

Obligatory youtube

 

Can I be the first to say...... He's backup to Che? How shit must he be!

 

😀

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The irony is that if we could sign che I reckon most of us would take him.

But honestly I'm interested in people's suggestions cos otherwise we just get the no he's shit from people and no counter ideas.

What strikers does the forum think we could get who can hit the ground running ? 

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37 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

The irony is that if we could sign che I reckon most of us would take him.

But honestly I'm interested in people's suggestions cos otherwise we just get the no he's shit from people and no counter ideas.

What strikers does the forum think we could get who can hit the ground running ? 

Even if only for 6 months, to give him regular, guaranteed minutes, I’d get Evan Ferguson in. Win-win for both clubs and the player. 

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48 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

The irony is that if we could sign che I reckon most of us would take him.

But honestly I'm interested in people's suggestions cos otherwise we just get the no he's shit from people and no counter ideas.

What strikers does the forum think we could get who can hit the ground running ? 

I wouldn't, whilst he might be a slight improvement on our current, dreadful striking options (he's probably on par with Archer as the best one IMO) he's still a long way short of what I'd want from a PL striker. Our squad is absolutely jammed with players who I'd flatter by calling mediocre, we don't need another.

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We're signing France U19 captain and CB Joachim Kayi Sanda from Valenciennes. Fee is €5m and medical is arranged

 

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3 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

We're signing France U19 captain and CB Joachim Kayi Sanda from Valenciennes. Fee is €5m and medical is arranged

 

I fucking hate this multi-club shite.

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4 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

We're signing France U19 captain and CB Joachim Kayi Sanda from Valenciennes. Fee is €5m and medical is arranged

 

He’ll be off to our sister club I guess given his age?

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1 hour ago, Suhari said:

Can I be the first to say...... He's backup to Che? How shit must he be!

 

😀

There were quite a few on here that wanted us to sign BBD......although they are quiet now, so I am not sure that most fans opinions really count for that much.....

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