trousers Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Or maybe because it’s literally only Arsenal (and Inter if we’re doing all comps) who’ve gone to the Etihad and done better than us this season. Compared to Ipswich going there and being 3-0 down in 16 minutes, we have actually done alright. None of which takes into account how well Man City played on each occasion. Maybe Man City were playing at the top of their game when they played Ipswich off the park and maybe, just maybe, were not playing to the best of their ability yesterday? How do we know the results would have been the same if the 'good' Man City turned up against us and the 'below par' Man City turned up against Ipswich? Comparing outcomes with no context doesn't tell us anything. Yes, we put in a decent performance yesterday (relative for us) but that has to be considered in the context that Man City were way off their best... Edited October 27 by trousers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 27 minutes ago, warsash saint said: I wonder if the chumps on here want to get some perspective? Scenarios; Saints lose by one goal - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Saints get trashed - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Saints win - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Saints draw - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Conclusion- any result posters on here would have posted the same thing over & over & over & over & over again 💤 Maybe the consistent point of Martin being shit is because he is shit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 26 minutes ago, warsash saint said: I wonder if the chumps on here want to get some perspective? Scenarios; Saints lose by one goal - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Saints get trashed - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Saints win - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Saints draw - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Conclusion- any result posters on here would have posted the same thing over & over & over & over & over again 💤 Are there *any* posters on here that don't post the same thing over and over...? Can't say I've noticed any... (And, yes, I count myself in the repetitive drivel camp too... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 Obviously no one is happy with our season or the way we risk so much _always_ playing out from the back or the strange substitions etc. etc., but my goodness, some of you do love to wallow in misery. I suppose being Saints fans we have to be a little masochistic but some of you are really hard core.. In the end it'll be the Everton game that may really depress us all. In the meantime I found the slightly twitchy nature of City under pressure towards the end of the game quite amusing. They could have got many more, like all the predictions on here, but they didn't and we defended resolutely so why not take a little glimmer of satisfaction from that? Haaland will beast a lot stronger and better CBs than Bednarek. Anyway a wet Tuesday against Stoke next up and at least it's at home.. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanlee Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 The premier league is a great watch if your side is it it and isn't miles below the standard required. But shall carry on with our support of club as we always have. (nowhere near as bad as the Quashie days and we battled through that) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 2 minutes ago, suewhistle said: Obviously no one is happy with our season or the way we risk so much _always_ playing out from the back or the strange substitions etc. etc., but my goodness, some of you do love to wallow in misery. I suppose being Saints fans we have to be a little masochistic but some of you are really hard core.. In the end it'll be the Everton game that may really depress us all. In the meantime I found the slightly twitchy nature of City under pressure towards the end of the game quite amusing. They could have got many more, like all the predictions on here, but they didn't and we defended resolutely so why not take a little glimmer of satisfaction from that? Haaland will beast a lot stronger and better CBs than Bednarek. Anyway a wet Tuesday against Stoke next up and at least it's at home.. 42 minutes ago, warsash saint said: I wonder if the chumps on here want to get some perspective? Scenarios; Saints lose by one goal - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Saints get trashed - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Saints win - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Saints draw - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Conclusion- any result posters on here would have posted the same thing over & over & over & over & over again 💤 I'd think had we got something from the game, nearly everyone would be giving credit where it was due. I was about to make the point Sue raised. The closer to the end it got, there was a little unease creeping in. The crowd, used to being/ thinking they should be further ahead were a little quieter. Pep, more aware of dropping 2 points late on. We didn't offer much for the rest of the game, but City won't be that uneasy against too many, having got a bigger lead against them. Martin will look to that late period as one of the pluses. We conceded early, but the planning helped to keep them out for the rest of the game. Sure, City were ahead, didn't need the second. Had Archer scored, they might have stepped it up. Or maybe we'd have kept them out. But, as we found with Ipswich again, late goals happen. It's frustrating to see us turn up hoping for scraps while we keep a score down. But the team will have positives to take from the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, warsash saint said: I wonder if the chumps on here want to get some perspective? Scenarios; Saints win - Martin is ... The problem is this is not a scenario that has occurred yet in the Premier League. Edited October 27 by adrian lord 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 1 hour ago, warsash saint said: I wonder if the chumps on here want to get some perspective? Scenarios; Saints lose by one goal - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Saints get trashed - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Saints win - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Saints draw - Martin is shit, tactics were shit, line up was shit, City had injuries, could not be arsed Conclusion- any result posters on here would have posted the same thing over & over & over & over & over again 💤 There’s a reason for that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldandtired Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 42 minutes ago, suewhistle said: Anyway a wet Tuesday against Stoke next up and at least it's at home.. Ate you practicing your replies for next season?😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted October 27 Author Share Posted October 27 I'd be more excited about yesterday's performance if I thought it was something we were going to build on rather than a heroic defeat against a top team that we're going to follow with another spineless effort. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint michael Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 You can feel it on this forum that Martin is creating his own scars. He recognised it when he arrived I wonder if he recognises it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 Delap looks on form , excellently taken goal and hit the post with a difficult angle of shot that would have made it 4-4 yesterday .Szmodic's goal was also well taken ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Watson Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 Aside from all the talk about the game,I reiterate mine and other comments,a firing on all cylinders Haaland would have scored 5 yesterday and we would have been hammered 5-0. The rest is all a load of codswallop and as for Guardiola [ the best club manager in the world ] to spout utter garbage is pretty unbelievable, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarberSaint Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 1 hour ago, suewhistle said: Obviously no one is happy with our season or the way we risk so much _always_ playing out from the back or the strange substitions etc. etc., but my goodness, some of you do love to wallow in misery. I suppose being Saints fans we have to be a little masochistic but some of you are really hard core.. In the end it'll be the Everton game that may really depress us all. In the meantime I found the slightly twitchy nature of City under pressure towards the end of the game quite amusing. They could have got many more, like all the predictions on here, but they didn't and we defended resolutely so why not take a little glimmer of satisfaction from that? Haaland will beast a lot stronger and better CBs than Bednarek. Anyway a wet Tuesday against Stoke next up and at least it's at home.. My thought was that had Haaland not scored then Bednarek had clearly fouled him and DGSO they'd have had a penalty and we'd have had another red. Yes ,they kind of coasted; I think after the goal and a while they just switched off a bit. The Man City fans said at times it was like watching them play but with shit players and no intention of attacking which about sums it up. They don't seem to like teams who set up to defend and perhaps snatch a goal, bit like Jose Mourinho's rant against West Ham's "15th century football" or whatever he said. They also said their press was half-arsed and that they were wasteful in front of goal. I don't see the likes of Liverpool being so generous to us as, unlike Manchester City, they have a proper killer instinct; City are a bit lazy in that regard. Also other teams will press harder and better and we can either persist with 5 at the back and look for breakaway goals, which I think are very unlikely to occur frequently, or we can look to attack more and our well-known defensive frailties will open us up and then we'll probably be chasing a game or a win. So we really seem to have a choice of 'more of the same' but allowing for the fact that other teams won't be as generous as MC. Overall, do we look like a decent team that's not quite there, just like under Adkins? i don't think we do but i think we could and could get enough points to stay up. That's probably not in the 10 year plan though. Whatever that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Special Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 7 hours ago, LGTL said: We need 6 points from 6 from the next two games. We’ll be lucky to get 1. Just heard Everton are unbeaten in 5? We're not winning that, draw at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 15 hours ago, warsash saint said: Just got back ... my thoughts. Fans were great today - the numbers & despite not much to cheer, i thought we were in great voice There are most tourists at City now then Utd! Lallana needs to start - even if we get only 60 mins a game from him Much maligned, I though Jack Stephens did not put a foot wrong today - in fact the whole back 5 put in a shift Can't believe how big the whole Etihad complex is .. how anyone can complete with the money they are spunking over the place! The British road network is fucked & not fit for purpose - miles of diversions for roadworks / the diversions full of roadworks🤬 Agree with every word. I also think Russ will still be with us in January, and he should be. And I’m not that arsed if we get relegated again - last season was fun. But hey let’s all soil our pants on the internet. 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 3 hours ago, Oldandtired said: Ate you practicing your replies for next season?😳 Well, I was wondering how Fernandez will cope with a wet mid-week January match at the bet365 [!].. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 My thoughts about yesterday is that City won without breaking a sweat, everything else is irrelevant. We defended well but can't do it when it matters. We kept hold of the ball well but didn't translate it into attacking play. Haaland was shocking, could have had 4 on another day. Fernandes is our best player and should fetch us a tidy profit when we go down. The rest, bar Dibling, won't be in demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 7 hours ago, Pamplemousse said: None of that is true. Pep said afterwards that they had to run a lot more than usual. .and he said that we are one of the best teams in the league.....just another w*nk*r who knows nothing about the game ..eh? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 A few posts mentioned Haaland having an off day. Just reminded me that how little our forwards have to wotk on. He gets more chances, in better positions than we do. We've had AA, Sule and Archer missing excellent opportunities. But we rely on a high conversion rate for the number of excellent chances we create. That's also in a set up where the forwards have to pounce on opportunities, deal with reset defences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 3 hours ago, LaptopSaint said: Agree with every word. I also think Russ will still be with us in January, and he should be. And I’m not that arsed if we get relegated again - last season was fun. But hey let’s all soil our pants on the internet. I’ve paid a lot of money for this season so I’d like the occasional bit of fun please. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 8 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: I’ve paid a lot of money for this season so I’d like the occasional bit of fun please. Yeah me too. We should probably both have left at half time against Leicester and gone home happy. Big day next Saturday, no doubt - and St Marys needs to make a big effort to feel a bit less anxious. Anyone from the club who’s reading btw, enough of the big banner thing covering the whole of the Northam. I’ve paid my money and I’d like to see the team come out onto the pitch - don’t give a feck what the banner looks like on the telly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 A battling performance from us and we defended solidly and a number of goaline clearances and blocks from THB, Stephens and Bednarek. Ramsdale made some great saves. On another day we could have got something from the game as we hit the woodwork through Archer too which was unlucky. The next two weeks are huge, we have to pick up some wins. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Hill Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 In some ways it would be amusing if we ended November still with just one point. A massive wake up call is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 55 minutes ago, Andy Hill said: In some ways it would be amusing if we ended November still with just one point. A massive wake up call is needed. Four short (or long!) years after we were top of the league in November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldandtired Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 (edited) 5 hours ago, david in sweden said: .and he said that we are one of the best teams in the league.....just another w*nk*r who knows nothing about the game ..eh? What the hell does it matter what he or Silva said, we still came away with nothing. I would far rather he thought we were the lousiest, dirtiest,most untalented team in the PL and come away with the points. In case you’ve forgotten, 1 point out of a possible 27, that’s what counts, not people blowing smoke up RM’s posterior. Edited October 27 by Oldandtired 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 10 hours ago, Saint_clark said: Maybe the consistent point of Martin being shit is because he is shit. and why is he still here?.............................and were still to win?.......................... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Saint Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Looks like Jose Mourhino is our next manager! https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/videos/c7v36nd6velo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 I was unable to follow the match - could someone who was there tell me how the last 10 minutes or so went, please? Were we all hands to the pump, forcing City back and making them endure The Alamo as we have to when trying to close out a winning game? Did Ramsdale come up for a last minute corner? - Did we have any last minute corner? - Were we ever close to snatching a point at the death? … And if not, why not? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 7 hours ago, Oldandtired said: What the hell does it matter what he or Silva said, we still came away with nothing. I would far rather he thought we were the lousiest, dirtiest,most untalented team in the PL and come away with the points. In case you’ve forgotten, 1 point out of a possible 27, that’s what counts, not people blowing smoke up RM’s posterior. No I haven't forgotten, nor have I forgotten 1997-98 when we were 20th after 9 games, and still turned everything around. It's a long season and things can happen . If we are still there at Easter (regardless of who is manager) ...then things will look bad. Everyone has a right to comment / criticise, but I am saddened by those " fans" who have forgotten how to support the team in the bad times. Perhaps some of the " younger " types on here don't have the history that some of us have. Maybe they should support a " big team ". I've been a Saints supporter for 66 years, ( I know I'm not the oldest ), but I'm still here and we've known worse times than this. COYR ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 2 hours ago, david in sweden said: No I haven't forgotten, nor have I forgotten 1997-98 when we were 20th after 9 games, and still turned everything around. It's a long season and things can happen . If we are still there at Easter (regardless of who is manager) ...then things will look bad. Everyone has a right to comment / criticise, but I am saddened by those " fans" who have forgotten how to support the team in the bad times. Perhaps some of the " younger " types on here don't have the history that some of us have. Maybe they should support a " big team ". I've been a Saints supporter for 66 years, ( I know I'm not the oldest ), but I'm still here and we've known worse times than this. COYR ! I disagree. I think the reason people are more pissed off now is because we have actually spent enough money that we should be competitive. Back then, we really had no right to stay up. All we had was grit and heart. Instead we have spent it badly. And we have zero grit and heart, just an insane manager playing suicidal football. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 (edited) 9 hours ago, david in sweden said: No I haven't forgotten, nor have I forgotten 1997-98 when we were 20th after 9 games, and still turned everything around. It's a long season and things can happen . If we are still there at Easter (regardless of who is manager) ...then things will look bad. Everyone has a right to comment / criticise, but I am saddened by those " fans" who have forgotten how to support the team in the bad times. Perhaps some of the " younger " types on here don't have the history that some of us have. Maybe they should support a " big team ". I've been a Saints supporter for 66 years, ( I know I'm not the oldest ), but I'm still here and we've known worse times than this. COYR ! Even then we had 4 points. I am surprised by how many people are happy with failing again, and being relegated. For the record I see no point in sacking Martin now, because its too late regardless, but that doesn't mean he's done a good job, in fact he's completely underperformed and as with any walk of life his performance should be up for review and where relevant stripped of his position. Unfortunately, we've dug such a hole now, that it largely doesn't matter who is in charge. Edited October 28 by Greedyfly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 3 hours ago, Greedyfly said: Even then we had 4 points. I am surprised by how many people are happy with failing again, and being relegated. For the record I see no point in sacking Martin now, because its too late regardless, but that doesn't mean he's done a good job, in fact he's completely underperformed and as with any walk of life his performance should be up for review and where relevant stripped of his position. Unfortunately, we've dug such a hole now, that it largely doesn't matter who is in charge. But we need to hit the ground running next season. Not walking around in little triangles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: But we need to hit the ground running next season. Not walking around in little triangles. I don't think he should keep his job, I just don't see the point of him being sacked either. I accept its going to be a boring situation having to watch this drivel for the rest of the season that's all. If he goes now or in the summer it's kind of neither here or there now, we should still have a very good chance of going straight back up regardless. Edited October 28 by Greedyfly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 14 hours ago, david in sweden said: but I am saddened by those " fans" who have forgotten how to support the team in the bad times. With all due respect, the overwhelming majority of criticism is aimed solely at Martin. With a couple of exceptions, there's relatively little criticism of individual players, which isn't that surprising as it's so clearly the system that's to blame. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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