Worst ref performances involving Saints

[Pamplemousse]

From memory, we did get a few decisions our way last season. The Armstrong double-touch penalty against Sunderland, and Plymouth had a goal at SMS wrongly ruled out for offside (and then we went up the other end and scored).

[Andy Hill]

Any game involving the illustrious Mike Dean.  How he got to be a Premiership referee beggars belief.  

[EssEffCee]

Not the worst of the worst but Kevin Friend at home to Spurs in 2017 (I think) is up there.

Probably not as remembered as we still won the game.

[saintwbu]

Peter Walton v Leeds

Kevin Friend v Liverpool

Anthony Taylor v Leicester

 

The hall of shame..

[the colonel]

Well at least the refs have apologised to Russell Martin for the fuck up against Leicester, where we should have had a penalty, which might have made the score 3-1 Saints and 2 minutes later they wouldn't have had their penalty.  

So we are all well happy that an apology makes it all ok!! I think not!

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, the colonel said:

Well at least the refs have apologised to Russell Martin for the fuck up against Leicester, where we should have had a penalty, which might have made the score 3-1 Saints and 2 minutes later they wouldn't have had their penalty.  

So we are all well happy that an apology makes it all ok!! I think not!

That only makes it worse ☹️

[warsash saint]

Not quite up to the previous week's standards, but another god damn awful performance by the ref on Saturday.

I was sat in tier 2 of the away section & could clearly see Downes clearly wins the ball - yet the chump in charge who is only a few feet way, gives City the free kick & even books Downes .. laughable

& dont get me started on the Lallana booking.  Ref was obviously so scared the whole game of annoying the City players, bench, owners (or didn't want to risk his bonus!!!)

Edited October 28 by warsash saint

[Kenilworthy]

9 minutes ago, warsash saint said:

Not quite up to the previous week's standards, but another god damn awful performance by the ref on Saturday.

I was sat in tier 2 of the away section & could clearly see Downes clearly wins the ball - yet the chump in charge who is only a few feet way, gives City the free kick & even books Downes .. laughable

& dont get me started on the Lallana booking.  Ref was obviously so scared the whole game of annoying the City players, bench, owners (or didn't want to risk his bonus!!!)

He also missed Lewis doing Downes on the halfway line. And there was a tussle between Haaland and Bednarek that started with Haaland. But City got the freekick.

[warsash saint]

What makes it worse it that PGMOL obviously saw nothing wrong with Taylor's performance - instead of demoting him to the Championship for weekend, they give him the biggest Premier League game on Sunday 

& there he makes more cocks ups!  Red for VVD, ignores Diaz kicking the ball away, blows up for a nonsense free kick in injury time!

Edited October 28 by warsash saint

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, warsash saint said:

What makes it worse it that PGMOL obviously saw nothing wrong with Taylor's performance - instead of demoting him to the Championship for weekend, they give him the biggest Premier League game on Sunday 

& there he makes more cocks ups!  Red for VVD, ignores Diaz kicking the ball away, blows up for a nonsense free kick in injury time!

Was that the one for handball by an Arsenal player? He jumps for the ball and hits it with his arm. 

[warsash saint]

So that's now 4 games on the trot where the refs have been been just plain shit or just completely corrupt!🤬

Starting to question is it all worth it??!!  Spending hundreds each week when it appears the result is already mapped out!

Edited November 9 by warsash saint

[John Boy Saint]

Just watched on MOTD - jeez todays ref should be having a sleepless night on that shit show of a performance.

[trousers]

1 minute ago, John Boy Saint said:

Just watched on MOTD - jeez todays ref should be having a sleepless night on that shit show of a performance.

Yep, completely changed the course of the game. As I said on the post-match thread, I actually feel a bit sorry for Russ today as we'd have probably come away with something from the game if the referee and VAR hadn't been so inept. (And, no, I'm not excusing another lacklustre performance. Just stating the obvious)

[Saint Pete]

10 minutes ago, John Boy Saint said:

Just watched on MOTD - jeez todays ref should be having a sleepless night on that shit show of a performance.

What concerns the most is how on earth can VAR conclude that they should reverse the ref decision and give a foul their way for that? It's either corrupt or completely incompetent. The biggest problem with VAR is they seem determined to find a reason to disallow goals. I wish the refs had the balls to tell them to fuck off when asked to go to the monitor and review!

[sledger]

var is meant to help these clueless refs trouble is its the same clueless refs doing it

[Whitey Grandad]

10 hours ago, sledger said:

var is meant to help these clueless refs trouble is its the same clueless refs doing it

The trouble with VAR referees is that their ego won’t let them take a back seat. They have to get involved.

[East Kent Saint]

I feel yesterday with 3 duff decisions involving actual goals was the worst for a while 

[bugenhagen]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

The trouble with VAR referees is that their ego won’t let them take a back seat. They have to get involved.

Yeah, they can’t help themselves. When the ref has to walk off and take another look, VAR is used wrong in my opinion.
It’s like “ooh, we’ve found something here”

If it is a clear mistake, just overturn it. If you’re not sure, let it be. 

[trousers]

Anyone know if PGMOL are obliged to release the audio recording of a VAR decision / non-decision if requested by a given club? Saints should be demanding a copy of the audio and publishing it far and wide. Or do PGMOL have the right to refuse access, assuming they've got something to hide...?

I know they've released audio recordings of some decisions previously, but just wondering if that was upon demand or off their own backs?

You can't imagine the likes of Nan City or Liverpool shrugging shoulders and letting this lie, whereas little ol' meek Southampton FC probably will...

Edited November 10 by trousers

[Roo1976]

12 hours ago, sledger said:

var is meant to help these clueless refs trouble is its the same clueless refs doing it

there lies the biggest issue,refs refereeing refs, "weeks in a row we've had some astonishingly bad calls against.I think the build up to their 2nd there were 2 fouls that could have been called,but no VAR intervention.But for our 1st there was, maddening to say the very least. Were certainly being affected by poor officials ,and it has to be said ,by our own manager,who keeps insisting in the inept backwards and sideways passing, and we back ourselves into tighter and tighter positions th        at we inevitably fuck up and shoot ourselves in the foot.  IS HE STILL HERE BTW?...............

[sledger]

2 hours ago, Roo1976 said:

there lies the biggest issue,refs refereeing refs, "weeks in a row we've had some astonishingly bad calls against.I think the build up to their 2nd there were 2 fouls that could have been called,but no VAR intervention.But for our 1st there was, maddening to say the very least. Were certainly being affected by poor officials ,and it has to be said ,by our own manager,who keeps insisting in the inept backwards and sideways passing, and we back ourselves into tighter and tighter positions th        at we inevitably fuck up and shoot ourselves in the foot.  IS HE STILL HERE BTW?...............

ive banged on about refs refereeing refs since var started,personalities come in to it whose experienced and whose inexperienced.

[Wiggles31]

I could VAR multiple games at once after 10 Stella’s and I’d not make a mistake. Idiot proof system ran by clowns. 

[warsash saint]

https://x.com/Josh97LFC/status/1855968991119872392

Jesus wept!!

[Disco Stu]

I could very well believe Jurgon Klopp is arrogant and, all in all, a very unpleasant person so I don't see the problem with that comment. The comment about Liverpool being shit is concerning though as they obviously aren't. It suggests a bias although likely influenced by previous abuse recieved from their staff.

The biggest problem I see is that Coote needs to consider who his true friends are presuming this was never intended to do the rounds on social media. Particularly his 'friend' putting the words "we hate scousers" in his mouth.

[Ted Bates Statue]

I have heard similar being said about us. Utter storm in a teacup.

If anything, shows Liverpool get away with awful behaviour that is left totally unpunished.

[Whitey Grandad]

52 minutes ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

I have heard similar being said about us. Utter storm in a teacup.

If anything, shows Liverpool get away with awful behaviour that is left totally unpunished.

"Don't bite the hand that feeds you"

[John Boy Saint]

Has Webby made his apology phone call to us yet? 
 

That said he must be tearing his hair out this week.

[Daft Kerplunk]

What this shows is that refs have biases and will be affected by media coverage, especially if the Sky-favoured teams. They are only human, but there are mistakes that just don’t make sense, and with VAR too like against Wolves.