OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 32 minutes ago, macca155 said: And another thing before I get my coat. Onuachu laid the ball off for Sulemana beautifully. Absolute gift, Sully was yards in front of the defenders, and bearing down on goal. He fluffed it of course, but Armstrong would have buried that chance, carbon copy of Wembley. As would Archer come to that. Fed up with our manager giving players a game. What the game did show is that Tall Paul has something about him. He can hold up the ball and pass, in fact the only thing I haven't seen him do yet is header the thing. Sh*t, if he could jump then he could get on to half our wayward crosses. He also looks fitter and faster than I remember him. TP and Archer up front together? TP laying off to Archer. Maybe something for the Everton game. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 45 minutes ago, macca155 said: And another thing before I get my coat. Onuachu laid the ball off for Sulemana beautifully. Absolute gift, Sully was yards in front of the defenders, and bearing down on goal. He fluffed it of course, but Armstrong would have buried that chance, carbon copy of Wembley. As would Archer come to that. Fed up with our manager giving players a game. I can understand why RM reaches some of his decisions, even as they show up the issues we all see. RM looks at the likes of Will, Fraser and Jack as versatile players he can ask to do any number of things. They are no doubt good behind the scenes and do well for RM in training. There's then a number of in game decisions being made. RM has to replace an injured player, a player who he feels is fading fast (arguable with some managers who make subs at certain times), or wants to shore things up. Winks was beginning to run things yesterday for example so RM was looking to freshen things up by stretching the game with a TP focal and get fresh, focused legs in midfield. Suga had taken a knock and both he and Fernandes were on a booking. He's not been pleased with AA for missing a chance a while back, or Les for a previous performance. He looks to the players he trusts more in Ryan and Will to come on and do a job. Except, that neither are specialists in what they're being asked to do. They are not the talented, versatile players, Barca or Man City have, who RM loves to model his systems on. Combined, he brings on entirely the wrong players for the situation. Looking to link up midfield and attack, while having some control? That's Lallana. Looking to physically shore things up? That's Les, with Aribo helping in blocking out Winks. Stop an attacking team cutting in from wide? Martin was right to double up, but didn't pick the clearly best player to do it, in Taylor. Instead we got a player who isn't remotely a DM and an attacking midfielder who is a wing back, when we're well on top, if not for shoehorning and novelty value. RM has to realise that in such a powerful, physical, pacey league putting make shift players into roles, when they can't do it, is taking a risk that's down to him. TP and Sule were both frozen out. So expecting something to click there is an ask. TP looked huffing very quickly. Sule did what he always did. AA has been pushed down the pecking order, so he's not coming on. We miss that work rate, endeavour and added defensive work. RM brought Sule on for counter attacking pace. But AA offers much more. RM can moan about someone not being on a penalty spot for the winner. But there were plenty of manager led decisions that need to be addressed too. Perhaps having the right players on the park for the job would have stopped that, and the other goals. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 7 hours ago, stknowle said: We need to take this to appeal. Not only were we fucked by corrupt officials I’ve just watched MOTD and they’ve revealed Leicester had a fucking ringer in charge for the day. Namely, Brighton manager Fabian Hurzeler. No mistaking fucking Rylan though unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 I 23 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: I can understand why RM reaches some of his decisions, even as they show up the issues we all see. RM looks at the likes of Will, Fraser and Jack as versatile players he can ask to do any number of things. They are no doubt good behind the scenes and do well for RM in training. There's then a number of in game decisions being made. RM has to replace an injured player, a player who he feels is fading fast (arguable with some managers who make subs at certain times), or wants to shore things up. Winks was beginning to run things yesterday for example so RM was looking to freshen things up by stretching the game with a TP focal and get fresh, focused legs in midfield. Suga had taken a knock and both he and Fernandes were on a booking. He's not been pleased with AA for missing a chance a while back, or Les for a previous performance. He looks to the players he trusts more in Ryan and Will to come on and do a job. Except, that neither are specialists in what they're being asked to do. They are not the talented, versatile players, Barca or Man City have, who RM loves to model his systems on. Combined, he brings on entirely the wrong players for the situation. Looking to link up midfield and attack, while having some control? That's Lallana. Looking to physically shore things up? That's Les, with Aribo helping in blocking out Winks. Stop an attacking team cutting in from wide? Martin was right to double up, but didn't pick the clearly best player to do it, in Taylor. Instead we got a player who isn't remotely a DM and an attacking midfielder who is a wing back, when we're well on top, if not for shoehorning and novelty value. RM has to realise that in such a powerful, physical, pacey league putting make shift players into roles, when they can't do it, is taking a risk that's down to him. TP and Sule were both frozen out. So expecting something to click there is an ask. TP looked huffing very quickly. Sule did what he always did. AA has been pushed down the pecking order, so he's not coming on. We miss that work rate, endeavour and added defensive work. RM brought Sule on for counter attacking pace. But AA offers much more. RM can moan about someone not being on a penalty spot for the winner. But there were plenty of manager led decisions that need to be addressed too. Perhaps having the right players on the park for the job would have stopped that, and the other goals. Absloutely true. I can think of many games that Martin has lost us with his changes. Can’t think of many times he’s won us the game against the odds. He might be a good coach & man manager, but he’s a bad tactician. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 (edited) 5 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: RM can moan about someone not being on a penalty spot for the winner. But there were plenty of manager led decisions that need to be addressed too. Perhaps having the right players on the park for the job would have stopped that, and the other goals. Either they’re not being coached defensively, or they are but they’re not listening. If they won’t listen to him, then another reason to get someone in they respect (as opposed to like) and will listen to. Where I have some sympathy with RM is the lack of leadership on the pitch. Downes does not seem to be an organiser on the pitch that we need despite being yesterday's captain.. To some degree this comes back to piss poor recruitment. (not critiscising the signing of Downes, but some leadership on the pitch is needed also). Edited October 20 by Badger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 9 minutes ago, Badger said: Where I have some sympathy with RM is the lack of leadership on the pitch. Downes does seem to be an organiser on the pitch that we need. To some degree this comes back to piss poor recruitment. Another reason why AL was the better choice than bringing on the invisible Smallbone yesterday. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 Just now, skintsaint said: Another reason why AL was the better choice than bringing on the invisible Smallbone yesterday. Don't disagree with that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said: I Absloutely true. I can think of many games that Martin has lost us with his changes. Can’t think of many times he’s won us the game against the odds. He might be a good coach & man manager, but he’s a bad tactician. Add in the three simultaneous substitute against Ipswich. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 2 hours ago, Badger said: Either they’re not being coached defensively, or they are but they’re not listening. If they won’t listen to him, then another reason to get someone in they respect (as opposed to like) and will listen to. Where I have some sympathy with RM is the lack of leadership on the pitch. Downes does seem to be an organiser on the pitch that we need despite being yesterday's captain.. To some degree this comes back to piss poor recruitment. (not critiscising the signing of Downes, but some leadership on the pitch is needed also). And you just know which 'leader' is going to be back in the fray next Saturday.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64saint Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 So who exactly was RM referring to with his comment....one person had one job to do that would have stopped that goal..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 32 minutes ago, 64saint said: So who exactly was RM referring to with his comment....one person had one job to do that would have stopped that goal..... Smallbone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 57 minutes ago, RedArmy said: Smallbone I was thinking Sulemana personally. More likely to be a smaller forward player to cover the edge of the penalty area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarberSaint Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 1 hour ago, 64saint said: So who exactly was RM referring to with his comment....one person had one job to do that would have stopped that goal..... No one. It was a smokescreen to divert attention away from it having happened before and the loss of a two-nil lead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellyears Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 2 hours ago, 64saint said: So who exactly was RM referring to with his comment....one person had one job to do that would have stopped that goal..... Fraser, who had been sent off --crazy sub anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 2 hours ago, 64saint said: So who exactly was RM referring to with his comment....one person had one job to do that would have stopped that goal..... The defensive coaching staff? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 If a player is put out there, then there's not a decision to be made. Instead, RM's data tells him teams that have a man out there, are more vulnerable in the box. So, they stop putting a man out there. Which encourages teams to take advantage of it, undermining the original data. But hey, just blame a player for having to juggle choices in the last seconds of a game, rather than just stop it at source. Leicester were picking off a few of RM's pet things, such as closing off that central one touch passing to beat the press. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 8 hours ago, Dellyears said: Fraser, who had been sent off --crazy sub anyway .maybe?. .except that even thev ideo replays showed that Fraser made several penetrating runs and crosses into the box, but sadly no-one was there to convert them. The " non-penalty" showed the inconsistencies that referee is well-known for. 5 yellow cards for Saints was disgusting, as Leicester also made some very crude tackles that seemingly went unpunished . Although Fraser may have been " guilty " according to the rules, his attempt to stop Vardy was fairly mild compared to the Onuachu incident and then Fraser's red card " double jeopardy " decision only made it worse for Saints. Onuachu is very big and strong and difficult to hold back, even after 4-5 seconds the defender couldn't hold him back any longer. but if he had gone down from that shirt pulling, we might have won a spot kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 10 hours ago, Dellyears said: Fraser, who had been sent off --crazy sub anyway i suspect Sully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 21 hours ago, rallyboy said: I know some will disagree but I want to see our players in the referee's face when he fucks up, and I want to see tall Paul going down and highlighting the foul. If you surround the ref, VAR wakes up and has to intervene - had that been Man United they would have been barging him off to the monitor, and they'd have had a penalty. As for Taylor...I thought he was up there with Kevin Friend versus Liverpool, it's the constant little decisions going against you that really hurt a team, fouls missed, cards given, there was no consistency. Their guy should have been booked for the sliding challenge prior to our first goal - that would have seen him sent off in the second half - add in the penalty shout and Taylor had a massive influence on the result. If all our yellow cards were correct, how do we define Vardy's high challenge? It looked far worse than any of the yellows from the other end - anyone see it close up? And for those who like gambling and numbers - that was certainly an interesting pattern of cards in the first half.... What odds would you get on so many home players being booked in such a short space of time?....Very unusual, not seen since Mike Dean. The Leicester players were in the refs face for their pen. We wander back as good little boys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Special Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 On a brighter note this came up as a memory from 8 years ago, nice to reminisce 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 17 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: Oh dear. That was as blatant a dive as you will ever see. Dibling needs to cut out the petulance from his game. His second booking for shirt pulling in successive home games gifts the opposition an opportunity to put the ball into our penalty area. And yes, if he’s going to give a yellow card for that then he needs to give a penalty for the pull on Onuachu. I suggest you look at the replay fella!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 On 19/10/2024 at 17:35, GDog07 said: Sack the social media team anaw. The dummies guide to turn your team into a laughing stock. What does that mean Us rn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireSaint Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 On 19/10/2024 at 15:54, Midfield_General said: He's been one of our best players in the first half He constantly loses the ball. His situational awareness is nil. The amount of times he receives the ball and then turns directly into an opposition player on his shoulder, is unbelievable. He should be constantly looking around and assessing what to do if the ball comes to him. He looks so unnatural also. He has to take a split second to get his feet sorted before playing the ball. Some rate him on here clearly, but I think he is a terrible player and cannot keep hold of a ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 (edited) 7 minutes ago, CheshireSaint said: He constantly loses the ball. His situational awareness is nil. The amount of times he receives the ball and then turns directly into an opposition player on his shoulder, is unbelievable. He should be constantly looking around and assessing what to do if the ball comes to him. He looks so unnatural also. He has to take a split second to get his feet sorted before playing the ball. Some rate him on here clearly, but I think he is a terrible player and cannot keep hold of a ball. Can’t be arsed n/t Edited October 21 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 (edited) The substitutions that our "coach" made were so utterly stupid and pointless, it was like as Sunday league manager giving game time to some just because they paid their subs. And he still here, fucking ridiculous As a side issue, why was Vardy`s assault on Suga only a yellow and not worthy of a red? not shown on tv pundit reviews either, can you imagine the uproar if it had been on a Liverpool/Arsenal/City/Spurs/Man Utd player it would have been analysed 20 times Edited October 21 by tdmickey3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 On 20/10/2024 at 13:45, rallyboy said: I know some will disagree but I want to see our players in the referee's face when he fucks up, and I want to see tall Paul going down and highlighting the foul. If you surround the ref, VAR wakes up and has to intervene - had that been Man United they would have been barging him off to the monitor, and they'd have had a penalty. As for Taylor...I thought he was up there with Kevin Friend versus Liverpool, it's the constant little decisions going against you that really hurt a team, fouls missed, cards given, there was no consistency. Their guy should have been booked for the sliding challenge prior to our first goal - that would have seen him sent off in the second half - add in the penalty shout and Taylor had a massive influence on the result. If all our yellow cards were correct, how do we define Vardy's high challenge? It looked far worse than any of the yellows from the other end - anyone see it close up? And for those who like gambling and numbers - that was certainly an interesting pattern of cards in the first half.... What odds would you get on so many home players being booked in such a short space of time?....Very unusual, not seen since Mike Dean. Agree completely. We could have got Vardy booked for barrelling into Ramsdale late, if Rambo had rolled around a bit and we'd made a fuss. Then he would have definitely gone for the foul on Suga, which may well have been a red on its own, from the angle i saw. We would have actually won then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 (edited) On 20/10/2024 at 13:45, rallyboy said: I know some will disagree but I want to see our players in the referee's face when he fucks up, and I want to see tall Paul going down and highlighting the foul. If you surround the ref, VAR wakes up and has to intervene - had that been Man United they would have been barging him off to the monitor, and they'd have had a penalty. This, 100%. I had high hopes that BBD's shit-housery at Newcastle was a sign that we'd finally woken up to how to 'play the game' in this league. But, alas, it would appear we've reverted to type. For far too long we've been 'too nice' by not contesting decisions or not trying to influence the referee... Yes, of course, we'd all like to see the conning and play-acting eradicated from the game, but it's never going to happen and we need to adopt a more ruthless "if you can't beat them, join them" approach to in-game management or else we give the opponents an advantage... Edited October 21 by trousers 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 3 hours ago, warsash saint said: I suggest you look at the replay fella!! I’ve seen it. It was a blatant dive. I’m surprised it fooled you. Fella! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said: The substitutions that our "coach" made were so utterly stupid and pointless, it was like as Sunday league manager giving game time to some just because they paid their subs. And he still here, fucking ridiculous As a side issue, why was Vardy`s assault on Suga only a yellow and not worthy of a red? not shown on tv pundit reviews either, can you imagine the uproar if it had been on a Liverpool/Arsenal/City/Spurs/Man Utd player it would have been analysed 20 times Havent seen it on a tv replay, anywhere wean see it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Nimbus Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 (edited) Glad to see it mentioned previously, but that Sulemana chance was huge. To end up making a non decision was utterly infuriating. He could cut back inside or shoot earlier. I was so angry😆 Overall, awful collapse that was quite avoidable. Will get lost in the fallout but what a player Fernandes is. Edited October 21 by Mr Nimbus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 16 hours ago, BarberSaint said: No one. It was a smokescreen to divert attention away from it having happened before and the loss of a two-nil lead. Exactly this. Had somebody been detailed to stand there, all the players would have known. Firstly, someone would have screamed for him to get into place, and secondly they’d have been an almighty bollocking dished out afterwards. Lego head is covering his fucking arse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 Just forced myself to watch the extended highlights back after not wanting to think about the game since leaving the stadium at the full time whistle on Saturday. The referee is clearly a cunt, as is the VAR official. The inconsistency there is absolutely galling (for the shirt pulls on Vardy / Tall Paul). Fuck off. Walking away from the ground I felt that Leicester edged it overall and a win was fair enough - I was wrong. We bossed it for the first hour and could have scored a couple more. First goal goes against us and we wilt. Mentally weak. I don't wish ill on many people but if Vardy is caught in a car crash next week or falls off a balcony, I'll be opening the champagne. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 7 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said: I don't wish ill on many people but if Vardy is caught in a car crash next week or falls off a balcony, I'll be opening the champagne. I’ve had similar thoughts about Vardy ever since the VVD incident. But then think, isn’t being married to Rebekah Vardy punishment enough ? 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 This was the first time this season that I thought we looked decent, but when it went against us we just completely collapsed. I am at this point expecting relegation. There is no way they turn this around. Trying to be Man City on Saints money is the height of stupidity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 1 hour ago, Mystic Force said: This was the first time this season that I thought we looked decent, but when it went against us we just completely collapsed. I am at this point expecting relegation. There is no way they turn this around. Trying to be Man City on Saints money is the height of stupidity. Just imagine how things might have turned out for us, had Dragan said it was the height of stupidity to Rasmus. We would have ended up with a different owner, but it wouldn't have been SR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 3 hours ago, Mr Nimbus said: Glad to see it mentioned previously, but that Sulemana chance was huge. To end up making a non decision was utterly infuriating. He could cut back inside or shoot earlier. I was so angry😆 Overall, awful collapse that was quite avoidable. Will get lost in the fallout but what a player Fernandes is. Sulemana's chance was huge but you can't be angry about the result. He's useless and it would have been a total surprise if he had scored. Someone should sit him down, order him to take his head out of his arse and watch the video of Fatawa playing against us over and over again. And yes, Fernandes is shaping up to be a top player 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 On 20/10/2024 at 19:27, 64saint said: So who exactly was RM referring to with his comment....one person had one job to do that would have stopped that goal..... He needs to stop moaning about that one goal. We needed, and should have had, all three points. Even just getting one point was sickening. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 17 hours ago, Badger said: I’ve had similar thoughts about Vardy ever since the VVD incident. But then think, isn’t being married to Rebekah Vardy punishment enough ? I'm pretty sure Vardy can't retire until he's paid off his missus legal bills 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 18 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: I’ve seen it. It was a blatant dive. I’m surprised it fooled you. Fella! Well that's bizarre, because I watched the replay and the defender clearly and obviously left his foot in to trip Dibling. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 3 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said: Well that's bizarre, because I watched the replay and the defender clearly and obviously left his foot in to trip Dibling. Link? was he tripped or did he pretend to trip? Blatant effort to con. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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