Saints 2-3 Leicester - Match Thread

[Football Special]

20 minutes ago, stknowle said:

My main worry is that Derby record and the laughing stock it makes us if we beat it. If we stick with him we’ll beat it. If we don’t we might not. It’s that simple.

Agree, we've got youngsters going to school on a Monday,  hard enough to put up with armchair cunts supporting the Liverpools and Man City's without saints becoming a laughing stock for record points / defeats. We're definitely heading for it. 

[Baird of the land]

11 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

So according to MOTD Taylor said he saw it and chose not to give it because the shirt pull 'didn't have consequence'.

He literally pulled him back for about five seconds, in the penalty area, as he tried to attack a cross that was heading straight for him.

Corrupt. 

I’m curious are the league really trying to sell the message that it is ok to shirt pull like that just as long as you do it so extremely that the player doesn’t get to go for the ball. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

6 minutes ago, stknowle said:

Ditto. And the last time I felt like this was when we got battered by Leicester last season.

I genuinely don’t get wound up by football results. I don’t to some extent care about us losing, it’s semi to be expected.

What I don’t accept is such an appalling bloody job of us pissing it away because of the team/managers actions.

[Kenilworthy]

There was a dreadful challenge just before our first goal that was a clear yellow card. Ok we took it quick and scored but the referee was still able to show a card - had he wanted to. What is the view on Vardy's assault on Saga? In real time I thought it was a red but haven't seen it back, and conveniently it was not shown on MOTD.

[saintant]

2 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

I’m curious are the league really trying to sell the message that it is ok to shirt pull like that just as long as you do it so extremely that the player doesn’t get to go for the ball. 

I'm even more curious that you can give a penalty for a handball without consequence but, according to Taylor, not a very blatant shirt shirt pull. It seems officials are being allowed to make up rules as they go along. Howard Webb needs to look into this and make a statement because it's a ridiculous situation.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

My quandary is this -

while I have lost all confidence in the manager (I never had much in the first place), I have also lost confidence in Sports Republic and its directors and the thought of them choosing another manager fills me with dread. While Dragan Solak has commendably put his hands into his pocket the people he has chosen to run his company have an awful track record since their arrival. Their decision making is poor, their recruitment is poor and their turnover of staff a real concern. So many mistakes were made in the summer - post Wembley  - when we had no DoF in place. Extended contracts were given out unnecessarily (Martin, Armstrong, McCarthy) and players were signed on the back of emotions who were not an improvement or good enough (Fraser, Brereton-Diaz, Cornet, Wood).

Russell Martin chops and changes depending on who is flavour of the fortnight. Why no Sam Amo- Ameyaw recently? Why no Bella-Kotchap either, both shone v Cardiff. Its hokey-cokey management which undermines player and fan confidence which goes on to create a weak and negative mentality. We are in an awful mess and while sacking RM will be a welcome (albeit expensive) development I can't help thinking it won't really address the underlying problems at the heart of our club.

[warsash saint]

2 hours ago, Dangerspoon said:

Controversial comment I know, but I actually thought the ref was alright. Sit in Kingsland centre and our bookings all seemed fair to me, and Taylor tried to let the game flow. I agree the onachou shirt pull was a poor decision (although, there is an argument that onachou should have gone down), but he did let Fraser’s tug back go. VAR had to intervene on latter, and should have the former.

We were beaten by Fatsou (or whoever their right winger was), Saga’s injury and RM. Assuming Saga would have stayed on then KWP would have been ok on Fatsou and wee man would have stayed on the bench. If RM brought Saga off as he was on a yellow then he’s an idiot.

RM moaning that we didn’t pick up the edge of the area is on HIM. Clearly didn’t explain it well enough to the player and didn’t emphasise it enough to Downes (captain) to remind the player.

What utter bollocks!!  Let the game flow  Deary me!  So missing the blatant foul on Dibling at the edge of their box, The Tall Paul pen,  numerous other free kicks that were nailed on. You know when something ain't right when you see the yellow card at half time & not ONE Leicester player!! ( i am not disputing that probably most were deserved though but there were 2 teams out there))

This was one of the corrupt games i have seem .... I don't know what game you were watching fella but it certainly wasn't the Saints one!

Edited October 20 by warsash saint

[davefizzy14]

The blatant pull back on Onuachu was a disgrace from bloody Anthony Taylor. A stonewall penalty which wasn't given! Fuming.

[rallyboy]

I know some will disagree but I want to see our players in the referee's face when he fucks up, and I want to see tall Paul going down and highlighting the foul.

If you surround the ref, VAR wakes up and has to intervene - had that been Man United they would have been barging him off to the monitor, and they'd have had a penalty.

 

As for Taylor...I thought he was up there with Kevin Friend versus Liverpool, it's the constant little decisions going against you that really hurt a team, fouls missed, cards given, there was no consistency.

Their guy should have been booked for the sliding challenge prior to our first goal - that would have seen him sent off in the second half - add in the penalty shout and Taylor had a massive influence on the result.

If all our yellow cards were correct, how do we define Vardy's high challenge? It looked far worse than any of the yellows from the other end - anyone see it close up?

And for those who like gambling and numbers - that was certainly an interesting pattern of cards in the first half....

What odds would you get on so many home players being booked in such a short space of time?....Very unusual, not seen since Mike Dean.

 

[Saint Billy]

56 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Batten down the hatches for a pretty chastising winter.

 

Agreed, proven by the fact that when 2-0 up I still had zero confidence that we would win.

This team is fragile in all departments and headed by a manager who is incapable of changing things when something isn't working, alongside an ownership who again made almighty errors in their player purchases with only about three with any sort of quality. It is a complete and utter fucking shambles, so much so that I will not invest much time and effort in watching this shit show until it changes which will probably be when we are back in the championship.

[S-Clarke]

24 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

My quandary is this -

while I have lost all confidence in the manager (I never had much in the first place), I have also lost confidence in Sports Republic and its directors and the thought of them choosing another manager fills me with dread. While Dragan Solak has commendably put his hands into his pocket the people he has chosen to run his company have an awful track record since their arrival. Their decision making is poor, their recruitment is poor and their turnover of staff a real concern. So many mistakes were made in the summer - post Wembley  - when we had no DoF in place. Extended contracts were given out unnecessarily (Martin, Armstrong, McCarthy) and players were signed on the back of emotions who were not an improvement or good enough (Fraser, Brereton-Diaz, Cornet, Wood).

Russell Martin chops and changes depending on who is flavour of the fortnight. Why no Sam Amo- Ameyaw recently? Why no Bella-Kotchap either, both shone v Cardiff. Its hokey-cokey management which undermines player and fan confidence which goes on to create a weak and negative mentality. We are in an awful mess and while sacking RM will be a welcome (albeit expensive) development I can't help thinking it won't really address the underlying problems at the heart of our club.

The lack of footballing know-how at the top worries me too. This is why our choices are consistently so bad and why our retainment is poor.

I don't think they know what to do. On one hand they come in, strip out Matt Crocker and replace him with Shields and Mowbray - clearly at that point feeling they needed a couple of footballing/scouting heads around the place. Shields left after a day. So we went and got another DoF in Wilcox, which again shows that we were pretty wedded in that approach at the top level.

Wilcox then left. But we've now changed tact and have promoted a load of commercial pen pushers into the job of dictating football strategy (Mark Bitcon - more of a performance background in football and rugby, rather than player recruitment and retainment).

SR need to decide what their strategy is and what their plan is with us, I don't think they have a scooby. Last season was a fortunate and unexpected success and what happened last season should not make them any more credible.

[Badger]

10 hours ago, warsash saint said:

Not been that angry at a ref since Gerald Ashby away at Norwich in the 90's!!

To balance things re Gerald Ashby he was also the ref who gave the penalty when Rod Wallace went over in injury time v Newcastle, c1989.

Ruddock scored it. 

[Badger]

12 hours ago, the colonel said:

Sorry if discussed previously: But what was that that flashed up on the big screens about the penalty?

All I saw was the standard referee checking for possible foul (or penalty, can’t recall precise phrase). 
 

After they scored it, the score briefly went back to 0-0 (perhaps a default option), before they updated it to 2-2.

Perhaps someone could look into a way of hacking the system. ‘The refs a bald cunt’ would have been a good summary to display yesterday. 

[Badger]

12 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It’s a shocker, still doesn't excuse Martin being Wessex League tactically, but PGMOL are very dubious.

Wolves and Forest suffered from some very suspect officiating last season. What should have happened is the police and Premier League looking into the financial affairs of all officials concerned and Stockley Park employees to ensure there wasn’t a corruption issue. Italy and Belgium had historic issues with it, we aren’t immune.

Instead, Forest get hit with a record £750k fine for speaking out and the dirt is brushed under the carpet again.

With the amount of money swilling around and portals to gamble on nowadays, it would only hypothetically take a handful of addicted people to cross the line.

On the other hand, the Euros did show our officials to be Europe’s worst so it’s just as likely a competency issue. Every game there was a fucking problem they were involved on pitch or VAR. Other countries can use VAR, ours can’t. Look at last season’s debacle at Bournemouth. What was it, 7 or 8 minute delay for a 45 second decision?

Some interesting points raised there, but so far only Forest and Wolves have raised their heads. Not making too many friends in the process. 

I think a self imposed independent review would at least establish confidence in the system. 

 

[LGTL]

50 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I genuinely don’t get wound up by football results. I don’t to some extent care about us losing, it’s semi to be expected.

What I don’t accept is such an appalling bloody job of us pissing it away because of the team/managers actions.

I’m with you. A group of us still do most games but we never really care if we lose, it’s what Saints do and what we’ve always done and we’ve all got kids now and different priorities. But yesterday hit different because it was so unbelievably avoidable if we had literally any semi-competent guy in charge. 

[Toussaint]

55 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

My quandary is this -

while I have lost all confidence in the manager (I never had much in the first place), I have also lost confidence in Sports Republic and its directors and the thought of them choosing another manager fills me with dread. While Dragan Solak has commendably put his hands into his pocket the people he has chosen to run his company have an awful track record since their arrival. Their decision making is poor, their recruitment is poor and their turnover of staff a real concern. So many mistakes were made in the summer - post Wembley  - when we had no DoF in place. Extended contracts were given out unnecessarily (Martin, Armstrong, McCarthy) and players were signed on the back of emotions who were not an improvement or good enough (Fraser, Brereton-Diaz, Cornet, Wood).

Russell Martin chops and changes depending on who is flavour of the fortnight. Why no Sam Amo- Ameyaw recently? Why no Bella-Kotchap either, both shone v Cardiff. Its hokey-cokey management which undermines player and fan confidence which goes on to create a weak and negative mentality. We are in an awful mess and while sacking RM will be a welcome (albeit expensive) development I can't help thinking it won't really address the underlying problems at the heart of our club.

Has Dragan actually put his hand in his own pocket? 

[saintant]

7 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Has Dragan actually put his hand in his own pocket? 

If not he's a fucking good pick-pocket.

[southamptonfc]

1 hour ago, Kenilworthy said:

There was a dreadful challenge just before our first goal that was a clear yellow card. Ok we took it quick and scored but the referee was still able to show a card - had he wanted to. What is the view on Vardy's assault on Saga? In real time I thought it was a red but haven't seen it back, and conveniently it was not shown on MOTD.

I really want to see that again as well. How high up the leg was the contact?

[Toussaint]

8 minutes ago, saintant said:

If not he's a fucking good pick-pocket.

You know what I meant, has he invested from his own personal wealth? Because that’s what putting your hand in your pocket means, using your own, personal, money. Has he used his own, personal money?

[Kermitzasaint]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

The simple fact upon all of this, no matter what is debated and how often - Russell Martin is incapable of tactically setting up a team to defend. Full stop. This was the same at MK Dons, Swansea and ourselves last season. Too narrow minded on possession football and what to do when on the ball, our off the ball work is as bad as anyone out of the 92. That's all on Martin and his coaches. 60 goals against at MK Dons, 60 at Swansea, 60 odd last season, 2000 this year?

I think we all appreciate that this season is done, dusted and wrapped up. It's going to be a particularly galling experience for us all. The main worry I have around seasons like this is how the players and fans respond to it. This sort of seasons quite often have an enormous hangover the following season as losing just becomes ingrained, that's my main worry at the moment. I don't think we've ever been this bad, certainly comparisons with that Derby team, so it's a new experience for most of us.

Onto the game we do have some bright spots in the side. I like Fernandes, always have done, Dibling is nice and direct, Suguwara hasn't put a foot wrong. It's hard to really pin these results on individuals per say, it's a team throw away most weeks. In the first half we were quite sensible with our use of the ball, but as soon as we started fart arsing around with it between the CB's (who were too close to each other) it all went to shit, Leicester got a sniff and that was that.

I sense a lot of panic in the side from guys like Downes, THB, key for us last year but they are all over the show this.

So, here we are - 1 point, 8 games. That 1 point game against Ipswich, and almost a second against Leicester - two of our 'rivals'. The rest of the games we've been involved in have been absolute food and drink for the oppo, not competitive in any of the others. Bodes well for the forthcoming weeks. As fun as that day in May was, I don't think we were ever in a place to get promoted.

Batten down the hatches for a pretty chastising winter.

 

I think we needed to get promoted but we should have dropped Russell as soon as it was confirmed. If an idiot like me could see it wouldn't work then how on earth did Sports Republic think it would? 

[Lord Duckhunter]

One thing I noticed straight away was the reaction to the 2 pulls in the box. 
 

The Vardy one the Leicester players were all round the ref, I said to my mate “somethings gone on”, couldn’t see what, but their body language towards ref implied that. Contrast with Tall Paul one, supporters shouting, but not much from players. 
 

May not have made a difference, but who can honestly say VAR bods wouldn’t have thought like me, “ they’re incensed about something” , and looked a bit harder and closer at video. We’re too fucking soft and polite. 

[Saints4Prem]

I am a bit miffed at the posters defending the ref. Ok he may have made reasonable decisions and booked 4 of our players in the first half however he seemed to miss the 3 or 4 occasions when Leicester players went through ours to get the ball that used to be a foul? Also it was interesting to see Leicester take about 3 minutes over a free kick when they were obviously waiting for the injured player to get back on and they were not rushed or yellow carded (as Sugarwara was). There were other times the trainer/medical staff came on and only 2 minutes extra time. Some may say that at 2 nil up the officials did not want us to get another goal before half time but played at the end until Leicester scored. I have been a season ticket holder (job permitting) for over 60 years and this referee is the worst I have ever seen. Some people may say we whinge because we lost but even at 2 nil up at half time I was sharing his incompetence with my son who totally agreed. I am afraid Martin thought he could succeed at what Kompany failed to do and if we have any chance of staying up we need a new manager with more than one dimension and some idea about substitutions. I did not like the way Lallana left but I think he could have steadied the ship and was bewildered that he stayed on the bench.

Edited October 20 by Saints4Prem

[Dellyears]

24 minutes ago, Kermitzasaint said:

I think we needed to get promoted but we should have dropped Russell as soon as it was confirmed. If an idiot like me could see it wouldn't work then how on earth did Sports Republic think it would? 

Bottom, with one point after 8 games. It's self evident we need a change of direction, and of leadership to make the change. The trouble is, if the manager is sacked--yet again--it reveals the utter incompetence of those whose job it was to make the appointment. When will they chose someone with Premier League know how? Moyes and Potter are free.

[LoyalSaintSO50]

7 minutes ago, Saints4Prem said:

I am a bit miffed at the posters defending the ref. Ok he may have made reasonable decisions and booked 4 of our players in the first half however he seemed to miss the 3 or 4 occasions when Leicester players went through ours to get the ball that used to be a foul? Also it was interesting to see Leicester take about 3 minutes over a free kick when they were obviously waiting for the injured player to get back on and they were not rushed or yellow carded (as Sugarwara was). There were other times the trainer/medical staff came on and only 2 minutes extra time. Some may say that at 2 nil up the officials did not want us to get another goal before half time but played at the end until Leicester scored. I have been a season ticket holder (job permitting) for over 60 years and this referee is the worst I have ever seen. Some people may say we whinge because we lost but even at 2 nil up at half time I was sharing his incompetence with my son who totally agreed. I am afraid Martin thought he could succeed at what Kompany failed to do and if we have any chance of staying up we need a new manager with more than one dimension and some idea about substitutions. I did not like the way Lallana left but I think he could have steadied the ship and was bewildered that he stayed on the bench.

Spot on. I can’t remember a worse refereeing performance either. Wouldn’t say inept as that implies he’s clueless and this cheating bastard knew exactly what he was doing. Could tell from very early on what outcome he wanted. Needs looking into, corrupt wanker 

[Totton Saint]

Why Was `VAR not used for some of the ref's poor decisions I wonder?

[Bad Wolf]

My gosh, I've finally just watched the winning Leicester goal...Are we STILL saying Ramsdale is the best thing since sliced bread??

[hypochondriac]

Anyone else having a Saints detox? The minute the final whistle went, I turned off the telly and other than posting a couple of things on here I haven't seen or heard anything else. Probably for the best then I can pretend it didn't happen. 

[Gloucester Saint]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Anyone else having a Saints detox? The minute the final whistle went, I turned off the telly and other than posting a couple of things on here I haven't seen or heard anything else. Probably for the best then I can pretend it didn't happen. 

Has been the case for most of this season and more so after the Bournemouth debacle.

[Football Special]

2 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I genuinely don’t get wound up by football results. I don’t to some extent care about us losing, it’s semi to be expected.

What I don’t accept is such an appalling bloody job of us pissing it away because of the team/managers actions.

Do you also not get that excited if we win? Guess it comes down to personality types, I can't just shrug my shoulders and not be bothered after a game like that 

[Kenilworthy]

What hasn't been mentioned, maybe because it was just a small part of the overall cluelessness - what was going on with Ramsdale and goalkicks? He kept going wide right of the penalty area to receive the ball, sometimes coming out of it, leaving the goal completely unguarded should he fail to find a Saints player, which he often did.

[Football Special]

54 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

One thing I noticed straight away was the reaction to the 2 pulls in the box. 
 

The Vardy one the Leicester players were all round the ref, I said to my mate “somethings gone on”, couldn’t see what, but their body language towards ref implied that. Contrast with Tall Paul one, supporters shouting, but not much from players. 
 

May not have made a difference, but who can honestly say VAR bods wouldn’t have thought like me, “ they’re incensed about something” , and looked a bit harder and closer at video. We’re too fucking soft and polite. 

I think that goes for the fans as well as the players, zero intimidation , doesn't give us any home advantage,  but you can see from posts on here several admit to not even be bothered about losing. 

[Toussaint]

31 minutes ago, Kenilworthy said:

What hasn't been mentioned, maybe because it was just a small part of the overall cluelessness - what was going on with Ramsdale and goalkicks? He kept going wide right of the penalty area to receive the ball, sometimes coming out of it, leaving the goal completely unguarded should he fail to find a Saints player, which he often did.

I watched that, I couldn’t work out for the life of me what advantage could be had by having the goalkeeper ahead of the defender at goal kicks. More hipster bollox

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, Saints4Prem said:

I am a bit miffed at the posters defending the ref. Ok he may have made reasonable decisions and booked 4 of our players in the first half however he seemed to miss the 3 or 4 occasions when Leicester players went through ours to get the ball that used to be a foul? Also it was interesting to see Leicester take about 3 minutes over a free kick when they were obviously waiting for the injured player to get back on and they were not rushed or yellow carded (as Sugarwara was). There were other times the trainer/medical staff came on and only 2 minutes extra time. Some may say that at 2 nil up the officials did not want us to get another goal before half time but played at the end until Leicester scored. I have been a season ticket holder (job permitting) for over 60 years and this referee is the worst I have ever seen. Some people may say we whinge because we lost but even at 2 nil up at half time I was sharing his incompetence with my son who totally agreed. I am afraid Martin thought he could succeed at what Kompany failed to do and if we have any chance of staying up we need a new manager with more than one dimension and some idea about substitutions. I did not like the way Lallana left but I think he could have steadied the ship and was bewildered that he stayed on the bench.

Haven't read every page... but i'm yet to see any poster not lambasting the referee, let alone defending him? The TP pen that is right in front of his face is criminal. 

With the legal shenanigans going on re financial affairs, its about time things like this get legally challenged. A ref and VAR ref making this kind of mistake can only be Corruption or Bias. No one is that inept. Needs investigating - its almost certainly a key decision in our season - cost us in a 6pointer relegation scrap.

[saintant]

1 minute ago, Saint86 said:

Haven't read every page... but i'm yet to see any poster not lambasting the referee, let alone defending him? The TP pen that is right in front of his face is criminal. 

With the legal shenanigans going on re financial affairs, its about time things like this get legally challenged. A ref and VAR ref making this kind of mistake can only be Corruption or Bias. No one is that inept. Needs investigating - its almost certainly a key decision in our season - cost us in a 6pointer relegation scrap.

Either shirt tugging is a penalty or it isn't. Taylor talking about consequences is bullshit because nobody knows what the consequences would have been without the shirt pull - maybe Vardy would have missed and Tall Paul would have scored, maybe vice versa, maybe they both score or both miss - in other words nobody knows so it's irrelevant.

[FarehamSaintJames]

1 hour ago, Football Special said:

Do you also not get that excited if we win? Guess it comes down to personality types, I can't just shrug my shoulders and not be bothered after a game like that 

No, just there’s more to life. It’s not the be all and end all in my life.

Some of my fondest memories with my Dad, my brother, friends have been at Saints over the years. But equally I’m not expecting us to win a title.

If we lose it generally annoys me for a short period like half an hour, there’s always next week, that kind of thing.

If we win, amazing, great. Good weekend all round.

What I can't take is us losing in the fashion in which we did yesterday, bottle jobs, incorrect subs, poor tactics and weak mentality. That is infuriating. And I’m smart enough to know I can’t affect it, but it angers me when so many of us fans can see the issues, yet the people involved cannot.

[eurosaint]

3 hours ago, Kenilworthy said:

There was a dreadful challenge just before our first goal that was a clear yellow card. Ok we took it quick and scored but the referee was still able to show a card - had he wanted to. What is the view on Vardy's assault on Saga? In real time I thought it was a red but haven't seen it back, and conveniently it was not shown on MOTD.

Vardy also barged Ramsdale when he was making a clearance which was a clear yellow card not given. Ayew stamped on Bednarek and pulled Tall Paul’s shirt so two yellows there…

Every which way, the officials screwed us over and BBC did not show it ! I accept that highlights can’t cover everything but those of us who watched the whole game live know that we wos robbed 😾

 

[Mr X]

I think Martin has to go before the man city game... Which could be double figures if they click and our floodgates open.. things could turn nasty then.... Surely SR and dragan know this?.... They have to pull the trigger surely or are they trying to convince us that one point in 24 is acceptable 

[BranfootsLoveChild]

So we lost. Before this game I said if we lose , Martin has to go. And some agreed, yet quite a few on here said we are only so many games into the season, give him a chance etc. Are those feelings the same now? Or do SR need to get rid?

[Harry_SFC]

20 minutes ago, BranfootsLoveChild said:

So we lost. Before this game I said if we lose , Martin has to go. And some agreed, yet quite a few on here said we are only so many games into the season, give him a chance etc. Are those feelings the same now? Or do SR need to get rid?

How many more games do we waste on this guy? The season is almost over for us, game by game we are slipping further away but I see people saying "give him a few more games". It'll get to April and people will still be saying the same bullshit. 

[egg]

2 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

How many more games do we waste on this guy? The season is almost over for us, game by game we are slipping further away but I see people saying "give him a few more games". It'll get to April and people will still be saying the same bullshit. 

His time is up for me. He wont, and I don't think can, change things. His game management is shocking, and yesterday in particular. Fraser should never have been lumbered with the role he was given. Anyone with any sense would have brought Taylor on rather than Fraser. Negligent management. 

[OttawaSaint]

Wolves/City. Kovacic just fouled in exactly same way as dibling on edge of box. Ref, no hesitation, free kick. 

Why can't we have nice things?

Edited October 20 by OttawaSaint

[macca155]

1 hour ago, eurosaint said:

Vardy also barged Ramsdale when he was making a clearance which was a clear yellow card not given. Ayew stamped on Bednarek and pulled Tall Paul’s shirt so two yellows there…

Every which way, the officials screwed us over and BBC did not show it ! I accept that highlights can’t cover everything but those of us who watched the whole game live know that we wos robbed 😾

 

We weren't robbed, they comfortably beat us. It may have been a late show but Leicester had 18 shots and were all over Saints. They were bound to score a third.

Tactically Cooper was better than Martin. Our players seemed to run into fitness issues on 60 minutes, and with the exception of Onuachu, the subs weakened the side.

They took their chances and we stupidly allowed them to play the way they wanted to. Fatawu has been a right nuisance for us in recent games. Winks was given the freedom of the park to continually pass to him. Smallbone should have been detailed to stop that.

It was a clear Pen for Leicester. Taylor should have seen it and not left it to VAR.

He played a good advantage for our second goal, and Fernandes could have been sent off for that petulant challenge. He made mistakes that's true but the manager and players were responsible for losing that game. No good looking for excuses.

[macca155]

And another thing before I get my coat.

Onuachu laid the ball off for Sulemana beautifully. Absolute gift, Sully was yards in front of the defenders, and bearing down on goal. He fluffed it of course, but Armstrong would have buried that chance, carbon copy of Wembley.

As would Archer come to that.

Fed up with our manager giving players a game.

[Whitey Grandad]

5 hours ago, warsash saint said:

What utter bollocks!!  Let the game flow  Deary me!  So missing the blatant foul on Dibling at the edge of their box, The Tall Paul pen,  numerous other free kicks that were nailed on. You know when something ain't right when you see the yellow card at half time & not ONE Leicester player!! ( i am not disputing that probably most were deserved though but there were 2 teams out there))

This was one of the corrupt games i have seem .... I don't know what game you were watching fella but it certainly wasn't the Saints one!

Oh dear. That was as blatant a dive as you will ever see.

Dibling needs to cut out the petulance from his game. His second booking for shirt pulling in successive home games gifts the opposition an opportunity to put the ball into our penalty area.

And yes, if he’s going to give a yellow card for that then he needs to give a penalty for the pull on Onuachu.

[Whitey Grandad]

5 hours ago, davefizzy14 said:

The blatant pull back on Onuachu was a disgrace from bloody Anthony Taylor. A stonewall penalty which wasn't given! Fuming.

In my long experience stonewall penalties are never given.

[Mr X]

1 hour ago, BranfootsLoveChild said:

So we lost. Before this game I said if we lose , Martin has to go. And some agreed, yet quite a few on here said we are only so many games into the season, give him a chance etc. Are those feelings the same now? Or do SR need to get rid?

In an ideal world if Martin was prepared to to take criticism on the chin and accept that he needs to change tactics and adapt his whole possession philosophy then maybe yes a bit more time but he has publicly now stated on more than one occasion that hes going to stick to his guns and continue down the same path for better or worse! 

And no other club accept Southampton would accept 1 point in 24 as an acceptable return! 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, Totton Saint said:

Why Was `VAR not used for some of the ref's poor decisions I wonder?

Not in its remit.

[Whitey Grandad]

7 minutes ago, macca155 said:

And another thing before I get my coat.

Onuachu laid the ball off for Sulemana beautifully. Absolute gift, Sully was yards in front of the defenders, and bearing down on goal. He fluffed it of course, but Armstrong would have buried that chance, carbon copy of Wembley.

As would Archer come to that.

Fed up with our manager giving players a game.

It’s what Sulemana does. The whole ground and my dead mother could see the defender coming across to cu out his obvious inevitable shot.why do we keep giving this amateur another chance?

[obelisk]

18 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

It’s what Sulemana does. The whole ground and my dead mother could see the defender coming across to cu out his obvious inevitable shot.why do we keep giving this amateur another chance?

Time to dummy with right foot and shift onto the left, watch the defender sit on his arse and then pass it into the net. If he has the ability. That's what Russel means by "moments" I guess.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, obelisk said:

Time to dummy with right foot and shift onto the left, watch the defender sit on his arse and then pass it into the net. If he has the ability. That's what Russel means by "moments" I guess.

Many a moment makes a muck up.