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The Championship was shite between 2007-2009 too. (Barring the final day match against Sheffield United in 2008). The Championship is probably shite for Leeds fans too, after losing to us they also lost Gray, Kamara, Summerville and Rutter, replacing them with the likes of Joe Rothwell and Jayden Bogle. Another of the middling Championship clubs are probably looking at next season already too. The parachute clubs coming down once again and then the bankrolled Wrexham and Birmingham going up, most likely.

The Premier League's shite because we've been mismanaged for years now. If we could sort that out, we could be competitive again.

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17 hours ago, SaintNewForest said:

Another reason to dislike the whole PL product ...

 

🚨The PL are set to introduce the following rules next season: 

🎙️ HT interview with player or coach. 

🎙️ Interviews for players who are subbed off. 

🎥 Dressing room broadcasts. 

✅ Clubs have to choose one of the three options listed above, every week. #SaintsFC @SamC_reports

https://x.com/JustSaints_/status/1844787832096805334?t=cl2N-F9m2i94K_Si0etiNg&s=19

 

Christ, that's rubbish. I wouldn't class myself as an old man, but this isn't football anymore. Absolute corporate bollocks.

All this is doing is serving their international audiences where they make their $$$. I hate it, honestly. Even the EFL is going to go a similar way.

This sort of thing just makes me lose interest even more.

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They could mic up the players, combining that with inscreen data updates from their sports bras.

Stephens mic

Now I'm centre half. Now get to left back. Now stand and watch someone stay onside. Now make a rubbish tackle. That's never a red, ref you #!*&

Stephens 1st in covering all positions in a team
Stephens 1st in offensive swear words
Stephens 1st in putting off team mates with dodgy positioning

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On 06/10/2024 at 16:26, washsaint said:

While getting promoted was obviously massive anyone else feel the Premier League is overhyped, dull as dishwater and completely uncompetitive?

Even leaving aside Saints results this season, most games are dull as dishwater.   Villa Utd was awful and most teams outside the top 4 or 5 are set up to simply avoid defeat.  Take Forest against Chelsea today.

The games are not as entertaining as the Championship and the Championship is such a competitive league that games are far more entertaining.

Not going to miss the Premiership at all next season after our inevitable relegation.

 

Completely agree with all of this.

I’ve said the same to so many people now and they retort with “it’s cos Saints are shit”. No it isn’t.

It’s the same narrative every season.

The same top six, the same Man United underperforming (apparently, I’d argue they’re a mid table ability team now, the same Chelsea and Man City overspending, the same Arsenal so near yet so far.

It is unbelievably dull.

I’ve done a complete u-turn on the super league. Let them go, let them have it.

The only problem is the TV money would be redirected to the super league than the Premier League if that were to happen. If TV/Sky etc stuck with the Premier League it would then be viable for every other team in England.

I hate the Premier League now. It’s dull as fuck. Utterly predictable. And as long as FFP benefits the bigger teams is utterly pointless in bothering to try and compete.

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21 hours ago, SaintNewForest said:

Another reason to dislike the whole PL product ...

 

🚨The PL are set to introduce the following rules next season: 

🎙️ HT interview with player or coach. 

🎙️ Interviews for players who are subbed off. 

🎥 Dressing room broadcasts. 

✅ Clubs have to choose one of the three options listed above, every week. #SaintsFC @SamC_reports

https://x.com/JustSaints_/status/1844787832096805334?t=cl2N-F9m2i94K_Si0etiNg&s=19

 

If Jack gets interviewed after being taken off ! Imagine his answer to one of the smaller reporters 'why you asking you little @@@@'

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12 hours ago, HarvSFC said:

The Championship was shite between 2007-2009 too. (Barring the final day match against Sheffield United in 2008). The Championship is probably shite for Leeds fans too, after losing to us they also lost Gray, Kamara, Summerville and Rutter, replacing them with the likes of Joe Rothwell and Jayden Bogle. Another of the middling Championship clubs are probably looking at next season already too. The parachute clubs coming down once again and then the bankrolled Wrexham and Birmingham going up, most likely.

The Premier League's shite because we've been mismanaged for years now. If we could sort that out, we could be competitive again.

The truth 👆 

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20 hours ago, HarvSFC said:

The Championship was shite between 2007-2009 too. (Barring the final day match against Sheffield United in 2008). The Championship is probably shite for Leeds fans too, after losing to us they also lost Gray, Kamara, Summerville and Rutter, replacing them with the likes of Joe Rothwell and Jayden Bogle. Another of the middling Championship clubs are probably looking at next season already too. The parachute clubs coming down once again and then the bankrolled Wrexham and Birmingham going up, most likely.

The Premier League's shite because we've been mismanaged for years now. If we could sort that out, we could be competitive again.

There's a difference between the championship being shite in 2007-2009, and the championship being shite for us between 2007-2009.

It's the same as the Premier League; we could do really well and finish 6th again, that would be great for us as a club. But the PL as a brand, and as a product and as a whole would still be shite. 

The 2 things aren't the same, and I still maintain that the championship (and the EFL) is much more entertaining and enjoyable than the PL. Speaking as a football fan, not as a Saints fan.

 

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Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd

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I've said this for years. Unless you're a top 6 team then it's pointless. The other teams are only there to make the numbers up. Occasionally, you'll get a team like Villa or Newcastle have a few good seasons but you're never going to see the likes of Saints, Forest, WHU, etc. regularly finishing in the top 6. 

The Championship has 2 massive problems.

1. If you do well you end up promoted into the Prem.

2. The playoffs - What's the point in promoting a team that finished 4th, 5th or 6th, (clearly well off the pace) into a league above? 

 

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21 hours ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

I've said this for years. Unless you're a top 6 team then it's pointless. The other teams are only there to make the numbers up. Occasionally, you'll get a team like Villa or Newcastle have a few good seasons but you're never going to see the likes of Saints, Forest, WHU, etc. regularly finishing in the top 6. 

The Championship has 2 massive problems.

1. If you do well you end up promoted into the Prem.

2. The playoffs - What's the point in promoting a team that finished 4th, 5th or 6th, (clearly well off the pace) into a league above? 

 

The teams outside of the top 6 are nothing more than fences to be navigated by the top 6 to decide which of the moneybags teams do so the best. Saints are just another fence. Fortunately, we both grew up in what was a hey day of football, where pretty much any team could compete, including Saints. Other provincial teams such as Leicester, Wolves, Stoke, Derby, Coventry, West Brom, Ipswich, Norwich, Forest etc. could all do well and push for Europe. They were truly halcyon days. Obviously Leicester went on to fluke (harsh perhaps) a title recently but generally, we've turned into the Scottish League, that we all used to criticize. 

If the top 6 went their own way, yes it would be part of an elite league with other top teams across Europe but surely, if the product (what remains) is competitive, then TV rights will reflect that and money wouldn't necessarily disappear. Yes, it may be significantly reduced but its relative across all remaining teams. FFP is sh1te now as it prevents challenges to the top 6 because it has come into place whilst there is such a chasm between us and them. It maintains the status quo. FFP would work without the top 6 as all teams would be starting from a similar financial position, and it would prevent rich owners from coming to any team and creating an imbalance that we currently see. 

I really can't see why the Premier League is so marketable, given how imbalanced it currently is. City have won 6 out of the last 7 titles (runners up in the only one they missed out on). In the last 32 years, only Blackburn and Leicester have won it, outside of the top 6. I suppose that whilst the Asian masses are loving it, it will trundle on. Personally, I can't wait until it implodes. Get rid of the top 6, replace them with Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and Hibs, introduce some form of financial controls to keep it competitive and go from there. 

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15 minutes ago, CheshireSaint said:

Get rid of the top 6, replace them with Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and Hibs, introduce some form of financial controls to keep it competitive and go from there. 

I certainly don't want Jocks in the English Leagues, it's bad enough having the Taffs crossing the border to tell us how much they hate us.

Both Rangers and Celtic are massive clubs held back by their league, I'd say they'd soon be right up top with a level playing field and in a weakened PL. Then likely fook off too to that new Global Mega League once the opportunity arrived. They've got massive global support/appeal so ideal for the TV markets.

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On 12/10/2024 at 14:30, FarehamSaintJames said:

Completely agree with all of this.

I’ve said the same to so many people now and they retort with “it’s cos Saints are shit”. No it isn’t.

It’s the same narrative every season.

The same top six, the same Man United underperforming (apparently, I’d argue they’re a mid table ability team now, the same Chelsea and Man City overspending, the same Arsenal so near yet so far.

It is unbelievably dull.

I’ve done a complete u-turn on the super league. Let them go, let them have it.

The only problem is the TV money would be redirected to the super league than the Premier League if that were to happen. If TV/Sky etc stuck with the Premier League it would then be viable for every other team in England.

I hate the Premier League now. It’s dull as fuck. Utterly predictable. And as long as FFP benefits the bigger teams is utterly pointless in bothering to try and compete.

Completely agree. The real bottom line is that probably 15 or 16 teams are just making up the numbers with absolutely no prospect of winning anything.  Would've loved to see the top 6 knob off to a euro league, it would've leveled the playing field, but essentially the Prem is a very long way from competitive anymore. 

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3 hours ago, CheshireSaint said:

The teams outside of the top 6 are nothing more than fences to be navigated by the top 6 to decide which of the moneybags teams do so the best. Saints are just another fence. Fortunately, we both grew up in what was a hey day of football, where pretty much any team could compete, including Saints. Other provincial teams such as Leicester, Wolves, Stoke, Derby, Coventry, West Brom, Ipswich, Norwich, Forest etc. could all do well and push for Europe. They were truly halcyon days. Obviously Leicester went on to fluke (harsh perhaps) a title recently but generally, we've turned into the Scottish League, that we all used to criticize. 

If the top 6 went their own way, yes it would be part of an elite league with other top teams across Europe but surely, if the product (what remains) is competitive, then TV rights will reflect that and money wouldn't necessarily disappear. Yes, it may be significantly reduced but its relative across all remaining teams. FFP is sh1te now as it prevents challenges to the top 6 because it has come into place whilst there is such a chasm between us and them. It maintains the status quo. FFP would work without the top 6 as all teams would be starting from a similar financial position, and it would prevent rich owners from coming to any team and creating an imbalance that we currently see. 

I really can't see why the Premier League is so marketable, given how imbalanced it currently is. City have won 6 out of the last 7 titles (runners up in the only one they missed out on). In the last 32 years, only Blackburn and Leicester have won it, outside of the top 6. I suppose that whilst the Asian masses are loving it, it will trundle on. Personally, I can't wait until it implodes. Get rid of the top 6, replace them with Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and Hibs, introduce some form of financial controls to keep it competitive and go from there. 

The money doesn’t come from the UK. The Premier League has become what it is because of the fare eastern monies.

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11 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

The money doesn’t come from the UK. The Premier League has become what it is because of the fare eastern monies.

I know. Hence my comment 'I suppose that whilst the Asian masses are loving it, it will trundle on.'

The sooner a Super League happens the better. Yes, it will reduce money significantly, but it would be across the board. That way, money from gate receipts would increase as a percentage overall with the clubs outside of the top 6 being more or less on par in terms of capacity (30 - 40k with the odd exception) and with equal TV coverage of all competing teams, there should be more likelihood of parity across sponsorship deals too.  Imagine a league where all 20 teams could aspire certainly for the top third of the table or maybe even the title. Imagine a league where once left, there was no going back to so if the Super League floundered for whatever reason, tough. You could have all the money in the world but no one to play. Effectively, a massive concert venue. One can dream.

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13 hours ago, Micky said:

Completely agree. The real bottom line is that probably 15 or 16 teams are just making up the numbers with absolutely no prospect of winning anything.  Would've loved to see the top 6 knob off to a euro league, it would've leveled the playing field, but essentially the Prem is a very long way from competitive anymore. 

If you are in the Premier League you do have a small chance of winning the FA Cup or League Cup.  Outside it that chance vanishes - the last team outside the top division to win either was Sheffield Wednesday in 1991. We ourselves have shown that teams outside the top six can reach finals and in recent years we have seen the FA Cup won by Leicester, Wigan and Portsmouth. The League Cup has been won by Swansea, Birmingham, Middlesbrough, Blackburn, Leicester and even Spurs. That small chance of winning a trophy is why I want to cling on to the top division. 

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1 hour ago, Kenilworthy said:

 That small chance of winning a trophy is why I want to cling on to the top division. 

Exactly. Performance in the league is basically unofficial seeding for cup competitions. Forget about winning cups if you're in a lower division or hoping to avoid relegation, but once you break the top 10 and you don't slip up before the quarter finals, then you have a chance of doing something that will be remembered for generations. It's no coincidence that both cup finals in the last 25 years came when we finished in the top 10 and I still think of how big those missed opportunities were when we failed to reach even a semi-final under Pochettino or Koeman. It's been a long time since I felt we could beat anyone on our day.

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2 hours ago, Football Special said:

Sunday 7pm kick off at home to Spurs can be added to the list of what makes the Premier league is shite 

Ridiculous.

What justification is there for that time on a Sunday ? Don’t think they’ve ever held a match at that time in a Sunday before 

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Just saw the reference to the Spurs game: bloomin 'eck, it's true!

At least I should be able to make my afternoon game which is actually against a Southampton area team, but that is giving no thought to the fans. I've chatted in the pub to people who go to the games by bus, and they were complaining about Sunday during the day, so at that time they've no chance.

 

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On 14/10/2024 at 16:30, CheshireSaint said:

The teams outside of the top 6 are nothing more than fences to be navigated by the top 6 to decide which of the moneybags teams do so the best. Saints are just another fence. Fortunately, we both grew up in what was a hey day of football, where pretty much any team could compete, including Saints. Other provincial teams such as Leicester, Wolves, Stoke, Derby, Coventry, West Brom, Ipswich, Norwich, Forest etc. could all do well and push for Europe. They were truly halcyon days. Obviously Leicester went on to fluke (harsh perhaps) a title recently but generally, we've turned into the Scottish League, that we all used to criticize. 

If the top 6 went their own way, yes it would be part of an elite league with other top teams across Europe but surely, if the product (what remains) is competitive, then TV rights will reflect that and money wouldn't necessarily disappear. Yes, it may be significantly reduced but its relative across all remaining teams. FFP is sh1te now as it prevents challenges to the top 6 because it has come into place whilst there is such a chasm between us and them. It maintains the status quo. FFP would work without the top 6 as all teams would be starting from a similar financial position, and it would prevent rich owners from coming to any team and creating an imbalance that we currently see. 

I really can't see why the Premier League is so marketable, given how imbalanced it currently is. City have won 6 out of the last 7 titles (runners up in the only one they missed out on). In the last 32 years, only Blackburn and Leicester have won it, outside of the top 6. I suppose that whilst the Asian masses are loving it, it will trundle on. Personally, I can't wait until it implodes. Get rid of the top 6, replace them with Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and Hibs, introduce some form of financial controls to keep it competitive and go from there. 

Although I very much agree that this season has been a pretty miserable affair and there are many things regarding the Premier League that depress the hell out me ...huge gulf in club finances ,  random kick off times , the endless hype and coverage etc...

But let's not forget the so called halcyon days of the late 70s through to the 90s, where games were played in half empty stadiums,  barbed wire fences and teams that often played a rather agricultural style of football if you revisit the games on You Tube. 

Liverpool completely dominated from the mid 70s. 

Champions 75-76, 76-77, 78-79, 79-80, 81-82, 82-83, 83-84 ( We came 2nd ..Average Dell crowd that season was 18,000. Capacity 24,000. £3 Adult ticket. 

85-86, 87-88, 89, 90. ..

 

Then Man Utd's virtual complete dominance of the 90s and early 00s.

We're all moaning because we are crap this season and the club, players and manager have so far proven that they're not upto the task. ..nostalgia then kicks in. 

I'm sure Brentford and Brighton etc aren't moaning.....yet! 

 

 

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On 15/10/2024 at 18:18, Football Special said:

Sunday 7pm kick off at home to Spurs can be added to the list of what makes the Premier league is shite 

Hey this is truly great news! Our home tie v Tottenham Spurs moved to 7pm sunday in the English Soccerball league is a fantastic way to increase our worldwide exposure thus growing our US fanbase. The game will be screened live to the US of A whilst those on the east side will be able drink buds whilst tucking into their 45 oz burger and fries meanwhile on the west coast the Premier league soccerball fans can watch along whilst tucking into their maple syrup pancakes at brunch. They can watch us take on the mighty Spurs and hopefully make it an interesting tie in match week 12! Maybe we can score a goal or two and show the Tottenham spurs we will not just except our defeat lying down!!  Come on the Southampton Saints!!!!

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On 15/10/2024 at 22:27, suewhistle said:

Just saw the reference to the Spurs game: bloomin 'eck, it's true!

At least I should be able to make my afternoon game which is actually against a Southampton area team, but that is giving no thought to the fans. I've chatted in the pub to people who go to the games by bus, and they were complaining about Sunday during the day, so at that time they've no chance.

 

No thought to the fans? There are millions of TV fans round the world  who are going to love a 7pm Sunday. Stop thinking of yourself Suzy. 

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3 hours ago, Turkish said:

No thought to the fans? There are millions of TV fans round the world  who are going to love a 7pm Sunday. Stop thinking of yourself Suzy. 

They are not there to watch us. In this league we are Christians who are only there to feed the lions.

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6 hours ago, Turkish said:

Hey this is truly great news! Our home tie v Tottenham Spurs moved to 7pm sunday in the English Soccerball league is a fantastic way to increase our worldwide exposure thus growing our US fanbase. The game will be screened live to the US of A whilst those on the east side will be able drink buds whilst tucking into their 45 oz burger and fries meanwhile on the west coast the Premier league soccerball fans can watch along whilst tucking into their maple syrup pancakes at brunch. They can watch us take on the mighty Spurs and hopefully make it an interesting tie in match week 12! Maybe we can score a goal or two and show the Tottenham spurs we will not just except our defeat lying down!!  Come on the Southampton Saints!!!!

For that reason would probably have been better moved to Miami as well. 
 

I don't know what the buses are like from Hedge End to Miami but I think I might have to get up quite early to catch one.

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3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

They are not there to watch us. In this league we are Christians who are only there to feed the lions.

Hopefully they get a goal decision delayed by VAR to increase the tension!!

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3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

They are not there to watch us. In this league we are Christians who are only there to feed the lions.

A very apt analogy whitey as the great Ralph Kruger said we are a club built on faith from the beginning! 
 

im sure as a religious country there will be quite a few Bible Belt fans who resonate with us particularly as the Saints, it’s not just a name It’s who we are! 
 

let’s try with all our might to stay on the wonderful English premier soccerball league 

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On 15/10/2024 at 18:18, Football Special said:

Sunday 7pm kick off at home to Spurs can be added to the list of what makes the Premier league is shite 

7pm sunday? That's a joke right?? 

 

Edit: No, I now realise it's not. All those fans on rail replacement buses or the 1 train per hour going through Portsmouth and Guildford to Waterloo ... fk sake. 

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2 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

7pm sunday? That's a joke right?? 

 

Edit: No, I now realise it's not. All those fans on rail replacement buses or the 1 train per hour going through Portsmouth and Guildford to Waterloo ... fk sake. 

That’s okay though bro as millions of people will be sitting in their arm chairs enjoying the soccerball match on their TVs. Only idiots go Games these days 

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11 minutes ago, Football Special said:

I guarantee the Premier League will be watching this closely keen to get in on the plan, hopefully FIFA don't allow it , AMF 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c98y89dwrxro

“The Premier League has previously said it has no plans to play games overseas“

…until Man City, United, Liverpool and Chelsea say otherwise…

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On 22/10/2024 at 09:26, Football Special said:

I guarantee the Premier League will be watching this closely keen to get in on the plan, hopefully FIFA don't allow it , AMF 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c98y89dwrxro

Let them do it, and football will eat itself, allowing the status quo to get back to something sensible. Once the @big 4-6' get the super league we could get a semblance of a level playing fied

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The Prem table 4 years ago this week..

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We’ve gone from Stop the Count..

..to Stop the Cünt.

Four years on we're now supposed to believe that 20th place, with one point and six goals from nine games is the work of a visionary revolutionising football to an extent that mere mortals like the rest of us could never understand.

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Four years on we're now supposed to believe that 20th place, with one point and six goals from nine games is the work of a visionary revolutionising football to an extent that mere mortals like the rest of us could never understand.

They’re right. I don’t understand it.

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4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I’m glad they don’t consider it

I was actually being sarcastic because I know they really don't give a shit about it. Proven many times by the sheer number of far flung friendlies they all attend every year. Unnecessary air travel? Yeah who cares when money is involved right?

 
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10 minutes ago, SaintStinger said:

I was actually being sarcastic because I know they really don't give a shit about it. Proven many times by the sheer number of far flung friendlies they all attend every year. Unnecessary air travel? Yeah who cares when money is involved right?

 

Basically, yeah.

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