Premier League is S***e

[washsaint]

While getting promoted was obviously massive anyone else feel the Premier League is overhyped, dull as dishwater and completely uncompetitive?

Even leaving aside Saints results this season, most games are dull as dishwater.   Villa Utd was awful and most teams outside the top 4 or 5 are set up to simply avoid defeat.  Take Forest against Chelsea today.

The games are not as entertaining as the Championship and the Championship is such a competitive league that games are far more entertaining.

Not going to miss the Premiership at all next season after our inevitable relegation.

 

[Zorba]

I enjoyed Chelsea-Forest. Forest looked competitive and the game could have gone either way.

The prem is only shit if you’re not competitive.. Like us.

[SaintNewForest]

Premier League is awful. It's beyond shite for so many reasons.

Promotion was great, but I had 0 feelings of excitement for this season compared to last season (and next!)

Championship is, for me, the best league in the world. 

[vectraman]

27 minutes ago, washsaint said:

While getting promoted was obviously massive anyone else feel the Premier League is overhyped, dull as dishwater and completely uncompetitive?

Even leaving aside Saints results this season, most games are dull as dishwater.   Villa Utd was awful and most teams outside the top 4 or 5 are set up to simply avoid defeat.  Take Forest against Chelsea today.

The games are not as entertaining as the Championship and the Championship is such a competitive league that games are far more entertaining.

Not going to miss the Premiership at all next season after our inevitable relegation.

 

I think it’s crap if saints are crap, which we are.. I’d defy anybody to call Brentford v Wolves dull as ditchwater, Man City V Fulham also decent ( if Traore could shoot, Fulham could have comfortably won there). Note to Russ Martin - watch how Fulham attack from their own area, quick, players up the pitch, incisive passes created loads v possibly Europe’s best side.  It’s the way forward literally, not crab football.

[Lighthouse]

Nobody was saying it was sh*te from 2012-2016 and I doubt anyone in the top half thinks it’s sh*t today. People think it’s sh*t because we’re sh*t, people thought the Championship was good because we got promoted. We had plenty of moaning last year scoring goals and finishing fourth, imagine what people’s opinion would be after five years of being Stoke or Blackburn.

[die Mannyschaft]

On a football entertainment rating its not good. Hardly anyone shoots from distance, constant free kicks at corners, boring football tactics, VAR stupidity, diving, rolling around, players sitting down in box to stop attack . And vastly over priced. Watched Winchester City v Weymouth and that was proper football.  

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, die Mannyschaft said:

On a football entertainment rating its not good. Hardly anyone shoots from distance, constant free kicks at corners, boring football tactics, VAR stupidity, diving, rolling around, players sitting down in box to stop attack . And vastly over priced. Watched Winchester City v Weymouth and that was proper football.  

Like any industry, football will gravitate towards what works. By definition it's not overpriced because people are willing to pay it and most games tend to sell out.

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

Brighton v Spurs is pretty good...

[Whitey Grandad]

55 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

On a football entertainment rating its not good. Hardly anyone shoots from distance, constant free kicks at corners, boring football tactics, VAR stupidity, diving, rolling around, players sitting down in box to stop attack . And vastly over priced. Watched Winchester City v Weymouth and that was proper football.  

Very little one-touch football. Safety first tactics.

the commentators mentioned a couple of weeks ago that coaches don’t like shooting from distance because the statistics show that you’re less likely to score. Well if you don’t have a shot you’re never going to score. Are you reading this Russell?

[Stud mark of doom]

34 minutes ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

Brighton v Spurs is pretty good...

Haven’t watched many non-saints games in the prem for a while - I even lost the lifelong habit of watching MOTD last season.

i did randomly watch the whole of this and at half time (0-2) I was thinking both teams were light years ahead of us.

Spurs second half performance was reassuring.

Can’t imagine the premier league seems boring for Brighton supporters. 

[Miltonaggro]

I've got a feeling that Martin's main plan after promotion was simply to avoid defeats at all costs and snatch the odd point to try to build confidence - his, as much as the team.  Fair enough, it's a learning curve for him and that situation and risk is squarely on the board.  This has, however, made us horrible to watch, and even when we've looked OK for 20 minutes you sense the coming implosion.  So, no wonder Saints fans are not enjoying it at the moment.  At this point, newly promoted, perhaps the best we could have hoped for was to be competitive in every match, we simply have to go for it - get fitter, develop a mean streak, and fight for everything, even if loses possession.  Essentially, the polar opposite of what we are doing currently.  Saints fans love a side that fights, and if this team can find theirs we still have time to turn things around and enjoy our return to this league.  Ball, Hoddle, Strachan, Pochettino and Koeman should provide the model to punch above our current (fly)weight and start pissing off the likes of Arsenal rather than being everyone's favourite upcoming fixture!  I really enjoyed the sojourn in the Championship, but if we are serious about building back up we need to be in the PL and act like we deserve to be.   

[Patrick Bateman]

My son tells me that the Bundesliga is the best league in the world. He's 10 and I think he might be right 😂

[ally_uk]

In all honesty I went off the Premier league a few seasons ago. Money and the big clubs have killed for me it's not the same.  

Biased commentators getting moist, spouting the same bollacks! 

" oh haven't city been so dominant, this season ! " 

Well no shit they have spent about 600 million on talent you dry lunch! Anything less than winning the league would be a massive failure....... compared to the quality of the opposition and budget limitations... 

Why do the likes of Everton get docked points? And the likes of City and Chelsea etc are allowed to flout the rules 

The whole league is a circus 🎪 

 

Edited October 6 by ally_uk

[Galway saint]

I believe we haven’t won a match in the PL now for 20 games or so 

with that record it’s not a surprise it feels a bit depressing at the moment 

[Wade Garrett]

3 hours ago, washsaint said:

While getting promoted was obviously massive anyone else feel the Premier League is overhyped, dull as dishwater and completely uncompetitive?

Even leaving aside Saints results this season, most games are dull as dishwater.   Villa Utd was awful and most teams outside the top 4 or 5 are set up to simply avoid defeat.  Take Forest against Chelsea today.

The games are not as entertaining as the Championship and the Championship is such a competitive league that games are far more entertaining.

Not going to miss the Premiership at all next season after our inevitable relegation.

 

I agree.  MOTD was shite last night.  There was only about 62 goals.

[sandwichsaint]

2010 wants its headline back, was ever thus.

[sfc4prem]

Haven't watched MotD for over 58 games.

[verlaine1979]

2 hours ago, Miltonaggro said:

I've got a feeling that Martin's main plan after promotion was simply to avoid defeats at all costs and snatch the odd point to try to build confidence - 

If his plan was to avoid defeats by keeping the ball as close to our own goal as possible all game, he's a fucking moron.

[Baz Fl]

Not sure I’d dislike the Premier League if maybe I got to watch a few wins but it’s been pretty tough watching defeats and poor performances for what seems an awful long time. We liked the Championship for the opposite reasons 😜

[Whitey Grandad]

6 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

I agree.  MOTD was shite last night.  There was only about 62 goals.

I haven’t watched it but I can only see 24. That’s over 7 games and 630 minutes so one goal every 26 minutes or so. Or maybe you’re counting goal replays in that?

Anyway, there’s more to exciting football than just the odd goal now and again.

[ally_uk]

Haven't watched match of the day for like 3 years got fed up with the biased drivel.... 

Bunch if melts sat in the studio fapping over the big clubs....

[Sarnia Cherie]

13 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Very little one-touch football. Safety first tactics.

the commentators mentioned a couple of weeks ago that coaches don’t like shooting from distance because the statistics show that you’re less likely to score. Well if you don’t have a shot you’re never going to score. Are you reading this Russell?

Jhon Duran won September's goal of the month for a 25 yard screamer. Does it matter if it's a showstopper or a tap in as long as it goes in the sodding net! Does Russell read or does he just gaze at pictures of Pep?

[tdmickey3]

11 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

I agree.  MOTD was shite last night.  There was only about 62 goals.

Wow, did they show last seasons Russell Martins defensive masterclass or was it a look into the future for this seasons goals against tally, they could have waited to show them all 

[Sarnia Cherie]

13 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Haven't watched match of the day for like 3 years got fed up with the biased drivel.... 

Bunch if melts sat in the studio fapping over the big clubs....

I can't abide Jamie Carragher, so one-sided where Liverpool are concerned. Phil Jones was on last week. He has all the charisma of a cold rice pudding. The best pundit for me is Danny Murphy. Unbiased and really knows his football. 

[Cabrone]

The championship is a much better league because it is competitive. You can get to the last game of the season with half the league still having to play for something.

The prem is the opposite, the top is permanently sealed up by the big boys and even relegation is becoming more predictable with promoted clubs starting at such a disadvantage. It's moribund as well as being commercialised to death.

If the top 6 formed a European league the prem would become a lot more interesting for fans, not just the likes of us but the big boys too - they'd have genuine competition week in week out. As long as the domestic leagues had access to this league I think it would be good all round.

[Wade Garrett]

57 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Wow, did they show last seasons Russell Martins defensive masterclass or was it a look into the future for this seasons goals against tally, they could have waited to show them all 

Touché Mickey 😂

[Miltonaggro]

11 hours ago, verlaine1979 said:

If his plan was to avoid defeats by keeping the ball as close to our own goal as possible all game, he's a fucking moron.

Well there you go. Timid was never going to cut it. 

[BARCELONASAINT]

It is easy to fall out of love with football when your team is in the Premier League. We don't have the money to compete with most clubs, our owners quite rightly are not prepared to gamble the clubs future by spending horrendous fees and wages and our reliance on uncovering gems has failed in the most. (I will accept we have had the odd one or two) 

I was speaking to a good friend at the weekend who is a Leeds supporter and although he admits losing to us a Wembley hurt, he and most Leeds supporters he knows are relieved they did not go up. He loves the Championship and i have to admit it I miss it as well. The last couple of weeks I have barely watched a Premier League game and have focused on watching La Liga and the MLS (Inter Miami). It's been far more enjoyable than watching my team get spanked week in week out!

[Kenilworthy]

1 hour ago, Cabrone said:

The championship is a much better league because it is competitive. You can get to the last game of the season with half the league still having to play for something.

The prem is the opposite, the top is permanently sealed up by the big boys and even relegation is becoming more predictable with promoted clubs starting at such a disadvantage. It's moribund as well as being commercialised to death.

If the top 6 formed a European league the prem would become a lot more interesting for fans, not just the likes of us but the big boys too - they'd have genuine competition week in week out. As long as the domestic leagues had access to this league I think it would be good all round.

My main issue with the Championship is that there are far too many games. When you go home and away it really is a demanding weekend/midweek/weekend schedule that is unrelenting. With 20 teams it would be so much better

[Turkish]

You're all wrong the self titled greatest league in the world is the a glorious celebration of everything that is wonderful about soccerball.

We have the chance to see some of the worlds greatest soccerballists playing at our little club whilst at the same time have access to 24 hour 7 days a week information at our finger tips,  regular "breaking news" about what Pep is saying, what Ten Haag thought of sundays enthralling nil all tie along with fascinating tactical and statistical analysis of every game, every player ever move before we even mention the excitement VAR has added to the game as we nervously wait for 5 minutes to see if a player is 2mm offside and the goal will stand or not.  Together with the the endless opportunities to virtue signal and constantly improving selection of foodstuffs in the concourses i would say there has never been a better time to be part of the English Premier Soccerball league. 

Edited October 7 by Turkish

[east-stand-nic]

Let's be honest here. If we had an owner like Brighton do and one who supported us and cared and had money and the right team to compete at the right end of the table, we would all love that part. But for me, I hate the PL for so many other reasons. The clear bias. The commentary bias. The refereeing. The rules.

[wild-saint]

14 hours ago, sfc4prem said:

Haven't watched MotD for over 58 games.

I only watch MOTD when saints win. So its a fucking age since i last tuned in

[wild-saint]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Let's be honest here. If we had an owner like Brighton do and one who supported us and cared and had money and the right team to compete at the right end of the table, we would all love that part. But for me, I hate the PL for so many other reasons. The clear bias. The commentary bias. The refereeing. The rules.

Totally agree, however you know its only a matter of time before the better players are picked off and the recruitment to replace fails. It happened to us it will undoubtedly happen to Brighton but long may it continue for them.

[InvictaSaint]

 

[hypochondriac]

19 hours ago, Zorba said:

I enjoyed Chelsea-Forest. Forest looked competitive and the game could have gone either way.

The prem is only shit if you’re not competitive.. Like us.

Agree with this. If we were villa or Brighton we'd be loving it. 

[Gloucester Saint]

20 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Nobody was saying it was sh*te from 2012-2016 and I doubt anyone in the top half thinks it’s sh*t today. People think it’s sh*t because we’re sh*t, people thought the Championship was good because we got promoted. We had plenty of moaning last year scoring goals and finishing fourth, imagine what people’s opinion would be after five years of being Stoke or Blackburn.

Quite, wasn’t seeing this on SWF and I suspect on SM for people who spend time there 2012-17 (incorporating the EFL Final and Europa League even if the football was very drab at times). Or indeed at times under Ralph when the investment level was zero but we still competed most of the time.

Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton, to use three examples, are enjoying themselves a lot more because they are better owned, run and focused clubs whose playing style reflects their transfer budget and have an adaptive transfer approach recognising when needed quality over three players for each single position because a spreadsheet ratio so where says one of them might turn a profit. We needed a couple of outfield Ramsdales sprinkled in instead of a half-a-dozen players this summer where one or two better were needed and the wastage of previous summers that we are hardly using.

That’s not the league’s fault. SR needs to accept that they need EPL experience and track-record to get it right for next time.

Edited October 7 by Gloucester Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Let's be honest here. If we had an owner like Brighton do and one who supported us and cared and had money and the right team to compete at the right end of the table, we would all love that part. But for me, I hate the PL for so many other reasons. The clear bias. The commentary bias. The refereeing. The rules.

I see what you’re saying but SR are investing. It’s not dry like it was under Gao.

But how they’re spending it is the issue - it seems to be about lots of player purchases who individually they see as making profit but not enough consideration of the squad balance and certainly not the methods the manager is determined to use. BBD would be a prime example, and Archer needs quicker balls in, look at Saturday’s goal. BBD is better than we’re seeing but you need a focal point with him, and rotation option with Archer. But you probably don’t need AA as well but someone with a bit more craft/express pace. Maybe that’s meant to be Cornet but he’s a last shoulder of the defender forward as well.

Edited October 7 by Gloucester Saint

[Jack]

21 hours ago, SaintNewForest said:

Premier League is awful. It's beyond shite for so many reasons.

Promotion was great, but I had 0 feelings of excitement for this season compared to last season (and next!)

Championship is, for me, the best league in the world. 

Very subjective IMO. Championship is great when you’re winning most weeks and having a go at getting promoted. But if you fail then before long you’re rotting in mid table with no real chance of going up or down. 
 

The Prem only seems overly shit at the moment because the muppet in charge is trying to play like prime Barcelona (and failing miserably) and we’re getting dicked every week. 

[Whitey Grandad]

7 hours ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

Jhon Duran won September's goal of the month for a 25 yard screamer. Does it matter if it's a showstopper or a tap in as long as it goes in the sodding net! Does Russell read or does he just gaze at pictures of Pep?

He’s too busy staring at himself in the mirror.

[Whitey Grandad]

44 minutes ago, Jack said:

The Prem only seems overly shit at the moment because the muppet in charge is trying to play like prime Barcelona (and failing miserably) and we’re getting dicked every week. 

Leaving Saints to one side, I find most of the Premier League games to be dull and stupefying. Man City may be winning everything but by God they are a struggle to watch. 

[gurru991]

21 hours ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

Brighton v Spurs is pretty good...

That was definitely the most entertaining Premier league game of the weekend !!

[OldNick]

Being in the PL for most clubs fans is vanity only. The BBC podcasts only talk about 3 or 4 teams and then sometimes add Villa and Spurs. 

Sky only feature us if we are one of the live games, but even then we are just the mug being putting into the ring to fight the world champion.

As for MoTD we usually are last and we get little talk, but the bias from all the pundits if we happen to win is always the other team played badly.

Playing in the Championship as long as you have a decent team (we all know that would only last a few years) is far more enjoyable, no var as well

[East Kent Saint]

Any ideas if Man City have escaped punishment or is it still to be decided  ???

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, East Kent Saint said:

Any ideas if Man City have escaped punishment or is it still to be decided  ???

Still to be decided

[SaintNewForest]

5 hours ago, Jack said:

Very subjective IMO. Championship is great when you’re winning most weeks and having a go at getting promoted. But if you fail then before long you’re rotting in mid table with no real chance of going up or down. 
 

The Prem only seems overly shit at the moment because the muppet in charge is trying to play like prime Barcelona (and failing miserably) and we’re getting dicked every week. 

It's not just Saints though. It's the whole PL "product" and culture I find so dull and uninspiring.

Honestly, I follow what's going on in the football league more than I do the PL. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said:

It's not just Saints though. It's the whole PL "product" and culture I find so dull and uninspiring.

Honestly, I follow what's going on in the football league more than I do the PL. 

My second team is Torquay Utd and I also watch Cheltenham Town matches when I can. I enjoy the more competitive nature of the leagues and matches but bear in mind how dominant Leics, Saints and Leeds were in the Champ last season, Ipswich did remarkably well last season but they have bigger financial backing than most realise. It’s easy to enjoy it when we have a sizeable financial advantage as we did last season and 2009-12. If Saints were better run and managed we’d be more competitive and enjoying it more. In the 90s the Dell was the smallest top flight venue as we struggled to find somewhere to build a new stadium but the club cut it’s cloth post-Branfoot and found a way to get results when needed without purist football and were hard to beat at home. Plus we had an icon in MLT.

Cricket is my favourite sport but that’s had to recover from Aus/Eng/India hogging most of the revenues. Love international rugby but domestically it’s been a mess with top outfits like Worcester Warriors going pop and Wasps moving between London/Wycombe/Coventry and seemingly now Kent. 

[OttawaSaint]

On 06/10/2024 at 16:01, sfc4prem said:

Haven't watched MotD for over 58 games.

I don't think there's much interest in the over 58s league...

[OttawaSaint]

3 hours ago, East Kent Saint said:

Any ideas if Man City have escaped punishment or is it still to be decided  ???

They'll wait to see what 18th place has for points at the end of the season and then take those points -1 from City's points total amd then claim there's no coincidence. 

Honestly we decided on a 59 point penalty, nothing to do with them now finishing 17th...

[SaintNewForest]

Another reason to dislike the whole PL product ...

 

🚨The PL are set to introduce the following rules next season: 

🎙️ HT interview with player or coach. 

🎙️ Interviews for players who are subbed off. 

🎥 Dressing room broadcasts. 

✅ Clubs have to choose one of the three options listed above, every week. #SaintsFC @SamC_reports

https://x.com/JustSaints_/status/1844787832096805334?t=cl2N-F9m2i94K_Si0etiNg&s=19

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

8 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said:

Another reason to dislike the whole PL product ...

 

🚨The PL are set to introduce the following rules next season: 

🎙️ HT interview with player or coach. 

🎙️ Interviews for players who are subbed off. 

🎥 Dressing room broadcasts. 

✅ Clubs have to choose one of the three options listed above, every week. #SaintsFC @SamC_reports

https://x.com/JustSaints_/status/1844787832096805334?t=cl2N-F9m2i94K_Si0etiNg&s=19

 

Interviewer: Can you tell us why you were subbed?

Saints Player: Aaaaaarrrrgh!

Interviewer: Do you think you think you could have played on with your leg at that angle?

Saints Player: Aaaaaarrrrgh!

Interviewer: Do you mind that interview gets in the way of your treatment?

Saints Player: Aaaaaarrrrgh!

Interviewer: So, when will you be back?

Saints Player: Two weeks.