saintant Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Just now, pimpin4rizeal said: Is it just me ? But onuachu looks exactly what we have been missing? Ball kinda sticks with him .. and shown a nice few touches .. makes you wonder why he’s been out of the picture so much Doesn't fit in with the way Russ is reinventing football. He won't start the next game. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Tall Paul has been great in this brief cameo. I mean, nothing to lose etc, but still, goes soem way to showing how much better any team can look with an actual centre forward on the pitch. (((ah. bums))) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 minute ago, Killers Knee said: Sugawara was naive there, gifted Saka the ball Saints player gives ball away to an opposition player in dangerous position - standard situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 minute ago, Mr X said: No way will it be that, they will see many positives! Yep - as I said at the start - anything better than 3-1 and he’s done great. But…9 minutes of extra time??!?!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Clearly, we shouldn't judge Martin purely on the merits of an away game at what is probably the best club side in England at the moment. But despite some positives I have seen nothing today that tells me Martin should keep his job. Same weaknesses undermining anything good we try. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Just now, Colinjb said: Clearly, we shouldn't judge Martin purely on the merits of an away game at what is probably the best club side in England at the moment. But despite some positives I have seen nothing today that tells me Martin should keep his job. Same weaknesses undermining anything good we try. This 100% there's no way they are sacking him though 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Colinjb said: Clearly, we shouldn't judge Martin purely on the merits of an away game at what is probably the best club side in England at the moment. But despite some positives I have seen nothing today that tells me Martin should keep his job. Same weaknesses undermining anything good we try. No but we can judge him on his shit philosophy and tactics and inability to coach a defence which keep getting us in trouble. He won’t change and neither will our results Edited October 5 by Jack 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Just now, Colinjb said: Clearly, we shouldn't judge Martin purely on the merits of an away game at what is probably the best club side in England at the moment. But despite some positives I have seen nothing today that tells me Martin should keep his job. Same weaknesses undermining anything good we try. If today proves anything it's that he should be doing better with this set of players - I'm convinced another manager would have us winning games. 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 minute ago, Jack said: No but we can judge him on his shit philosophy and tactics and inability to coach a defence which keep getting us in trouble Absolutely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Just now, saintant said: If today proves anything it's that he should be doing better with this set of players - I'm convinced another manager would have us winning games. Yeah, the squad isn’t quite THIS bad. But Martin is just about as far out of his depth as he could be, and so this is the result. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingworkstheoracle Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Not one aerial cross put in to Paul 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 minute ago, saintant said: If today proves anything it's that he should be doing better with this set of players - I'm convinced another manager would have us winning games. Agree 100% another manager would know our strongest team and implement a more attacking positive style when in possession.... Yes we've been a bit better today with a proper striker but it's papering over the cracks of Martin's style 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Battling performance but ultimately defensively poor again. No doubt follow this up with a home loss next time out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 The club need to not be fooled by today and have the strength to do what's needed 🙏 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint francis Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 You'd have thought we'd be good at playing it out from the back by now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingworkstheoracle Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 We have been passing it around like we are 3-1 up 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 2 minutes ago, swingworkstheoracle said: Not one aerial cross put in to Paul There was one just now - in the 97th minute. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Still tippy-tappying around the final third when TP is on. Fuck. Sling it in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Could have been a lot worse. Their 2nd was offside, Merino was clearly interfering with play. We had chances to equalise and then gave the ball away like a bunch of mongs for their third. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 2 minutes ago, swingworkstheoracle said: Not one aerial cross put in to Paul Standard Russell Martin not playing to our strengths. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Beats a humping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Why not take a lesson from Arsenal and bloody well cross the ball into the box when you get a chance instead of passing backwards? So frustrating to watch. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Actually seems positive that we only lost 3-1. That’s how shit it’s been this season. Hopefully, the board will be ‘brave’ this weekend and sack Martin. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Sack him now. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Just now, Mr X said: The club need to not be fooled by today and have the strength to do what's needed 🙏 Unfortunately RM will come out with the usual platitudes after this game - the thing the owners should be drawing from it is that we are nowhere near as bad as RM's coaching and tactics make us look. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 minute ago, Mr X said: The club need to not be fooled by today and have the strength to do what's needed 🙏 This. Our squad is better than we're showing. That's on RM. Get him gone. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkSaint Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Well... at least we had three minutes of total bliss. AND I think we discovered that tall Paul is an essential part of our future. I love watching him. With him, Fernandes, Dibling, Ramsay... I don't think we'll be relegated. I think we'll figure this out. Next month will be epic. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Still very much hate how we play, even if it was slightly better than Monday. Still very much Martin out 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 minute ago, RedArmy said: Could have been a lot worse. Their 2nd was offside, Merino was clearly interfering with play. We had chances to equalise and then gave the ball away like a bunch of mongs for their third. And Downes too casual for their first. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Just now, NewYorkSaint said: Well... at least we had three minutes of total bliss. AND I think we discovered that tall Paul is an essential part of our future. I love watching him. With him, Fernandes, Dibling, Ramsay... I don't think we'll be relegated. I think we'll figure this out. Next month will be epic. Doubt we'll see much more of Tall Paul with Russell picking the team. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 minute ago, NewYorkSaint said: Well... at least we had three minutes of total bliss. AND I think we discovered that tall Paul is an essential part of our future. I love watching him. With him, Fernandes, Dibling, Ramsay... I don't think we'll be relegated. I think we'll figure this out. Next month will be epic. It's all I've ever needed. And my wife. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 6 minutes ago, Colinjb said: Clearly, we shouldn't judge Martin purely on the merits of an away game at what is probably the best club side in England at the moment. Roy Keane always says don’t judge players against the top top clubs, as they always put it in during those games, knowing a humiliating defeat will happen if they don’t. Judge them when they’re facing games then can pick up points in. With us, it’s Brentford, Ipswich, Forest, & Boscombe. Playing well against arsenal or city mean fuck all if we draw 0-0 or lose to Leicester. We made Bournemouth look world beaters first half Monday, the same Bournemouth who gave Leicester their first win today. Today changes nothing, Lego head needs to fuck off to give us any chance of staying up. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 3-1 becoming our go to score this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMrsWallace Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 9 minutes ago, Colinjb said: Clearly, we shouldn't judge Martin purely on the merits of an away game at what is probably the best club side in England at the moment. I'm gonna guess that's exactly what RM will say in his post match interview. I'd like to think we're already in discussions with potential managers but I doubt SR have thought that far ahead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 At least we didn't get dicked and we learned that Ryan Manning isn't our saviour after all. So still a complete waste of everyone's time. We're not going to win if we give the ball away in stupid positions so we're not going to win playing Russball which in the PL relies on us having players who are good enough not to make mistakes against the very best players. I just don't get why we continue to do the same things over and over again without learning that it doesnt work... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Just now, saintant said: 3-1 becoming our go to score this season. As it used to be...... just the other way, sadly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 minute ago, saintant said: 3-1 becoming our go to score this season. Vastly preferred this when Nigel Adkins was in charge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripey McStripe Shirt Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 minute ago, Suhari said: It's all I've ever needed. And my wife. Exactly. Gives her enough time to make a cuppa afterwards too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Just now, StrangelyBrown said: At least we didn't get dicked and we learned that Ryan Manning isn't our saviour after all. So still a complete waste of everyone's time. We're not going to win if we give the ball away in stupid positions so we're not going to win playing Russball which in the PL relies on us having players who are good enough not to make mistakes against the very best players. I just don't get why we continue to do the same things over and over again without learning that it doesnt work... It's the RM way and he'll never change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 point from 7 games. Heading towards 15 or so if we’re lucky 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Whatever the verdict we lost three goals which our possession obsession contributed to. As Martin wants to play this Kamikaze passing at the back and midfield let him do it somewhere else. The players should be drilled so that the first reaction in our last third is tackle hard and put a boot through the ball and leave some players up top to fight for it. Our short passing for passing sake at the back is our biggest weakness as it is inhibiting the players. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 (edited) Well it wasn't the dry humping we all expected. And there were some positives I guess. But there were so many shortcomings as well, most of which can be attributed directly to poor management. Despite the small glimmers of hope, I saw nothing today to suggest that RM really has any idea how to get us winning games in this league. Edited October 5 by Sheaf Saint 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 2 minutes ago, LGTL said: 1 point from 7 games. Heading towards 15 or so if we’re lucky 😂 Possession though. Possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Difficult to judge away against this current Arsenal side. But nothing's really changed other than perhaps emphasise that the squad is being mis-managed. I can't see the owners sacking him before next Sunday's 'critical' game - but If Martin loses that one then he'll have to go. 🤪 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 (edited) Practice crossing for 2 weeks and start tall Paul. It's our only hope. Edited October 5 by jamesfp1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Well they tried but I'm feeling that this group of players could do a lot better. Onauchu looked fit, solid, motivated and certainly not out of his depth. He needs to start against Leicester. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButtikonSaint Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Better than Monday, sadly still not good enough... I liked the KWP / Manning double act on Saka, was needed. Felt the team was better balanced, subs did ok and Archer's goal was a little cracker. 2 goals from weak and unnecessary turnovers (and so many hospital passes)... that's the killer. This season back was always going to be so tough...They have to keep working hard.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 3 minutes ago, derry said: Whatever the verdict we lost three goals which our possession obsession contributed to. As Martin wants to play this Kamikaze passing at the back and midfield let him do it somewhere else. The players should be drilled so that the first reaction in our last third is tackle hard and put a boot through the ball and leave some players up top to fight for it. Our short passing for passing sake at the back is our biggest weakness as it is inhibiting the players. Spot on - Martin makes us easy to play and score against. He just doesn't learn and never will. Get rid. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Decent at times today away to a quality side. It's a fucking shame our total before this was a grand old 1 point. If we had more of a buffer this sort of expected scoreline wouldn't be as irritating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 2 minutes ago, saintant said: Spot on - Martin makes us easy to play and score against. He just doesn't learn and never will. Get rid. We could be so much better with a different football philosophy and an attacking mindset, I believe we just about have enough quality to scrape staying up under the right manager..... I fear we won't have enough games left when the club finally realises that though! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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