Stick or Twist? (Poll)

[Badger]

2 hours ago, Kermitzasaint said:

Didn't want him. Still don't. Don't like him,, his tactics, his style, his hair, his stupid fitted trousers, his voice and his attitude. I want him sacked immediately and then televise Lucy dumping him. I want him mocked mercilessly as a failure and reminded that his entire ethos was a joke. 

Cunt. 

Wow!

Can’t say I’ve warmed to him during his time here, but your post takes the biscuit!

Strangely, although expecting a struggle this season,I thought he’d make a better go if it early season than he has. Feel sorry for him with strikers at his disposal, but clearly doesn’t make the most of what he has in the squad.

God help us with Rasmus making another selection though. 

[JWade]

Amazed how many people are saying yes. I'm still Martin In, but I would think his position will be untenable if we're still in the same position say in 4/5 games time. 

[Badger]

1 minute ago, JWade said:

Amazed how many people are saying yes. I'm still Martin In, but I would think his position will be untenable if we're still in the same position say in 4/5 games time. 

Hadn’t this been said just about every week since the Forest game, transfer window closing, etc 

Seems to be just putting off the inevitable (or kicking the can down the road to use a modern term)? 

[JWade]

12 minutes ago, Badger said:

Hadn’t this been said just about every week since the Forest game, transfer window closing, etc 

Seems to be just putting off the inevitable (or kicking the can down the road to use a modern term)? 

The second we got promoted at Wembley I was of the opinion we would probably come straight back down. The gap between the Premier League and the Championship is getting bigger every year and realistically, we have one of (if not the) weakest squad in the league, I just don't see a new manager being good enough to turn out fortunes around that much. Besides, who could we realistically get with Premier League experience that could make these players better? Not so sure.

RM has credit in the bank for me, he transformed the culture last season and helped to repair a club and a squad that was rotten to the core. He's brand new to this league as well and I think he deserves more than six games at this level before we pull the plug on him. Maybe he won't learn, if he doesn't then I'm sure he'll be gone soon. But I like to believe that things can get better and at the moment I would personally rather stick to the process than press the panic button. Last time we did that we ended up with Nathan Jones!

I suppose my expectations are lower so I appreciate most will disagree, but I thought the odds would be more likely than not that we may yo-yo between leagues for a few years. Championship is more fun anyway so that wouldn't bother me! 😂

[BARCELONASAINT]

Deluded is the word that springs to mind and i'm not talking about RM I'm talking about most of those asking for his head and calling him vile names, shame on you!

I've supported this team for over 50 years and seen all the highs and lows. Football has changed so much in that 50 years it is almost unrecognisable. The financial chasm between the top sides and the rest is so vast now that you really have to play financial roulette with a clubs future to have any chance of staying up and being competetive now in the Premier league.

Our owners took the approach they would not risk the future of our club by spending ridiculous amounts on transfer fees and wages, which means we basically apart from the odd one or two have a Championship side competing in the Premier league. We will be relegated, i think most of us accepted that before a ball was kicked at the start of the season. Get of RM's back. Rant at the owners if you want, but this is football 2024 whether we like it or not!

[Charlie Wayman]

31 minutes ago, Badger said:

 

God help us with Rasmus making another selection though. 

Don't worry there's a huge pool of talented League 1 managers from which he can choose.

[Farmer Saint]

Voting yes - not because I think he deserves it particularly - we have a good Championship team but nowhere near a PL team - but mainly because it's splitting the fan base and if we need Championship players to be good enough for the Prem we need the fans behind them. 

Who to replace him with though, that's the million dollar question?

[Farmer Saint]

5 hours ago, Kermitzasaint said:

Didn't want him. Still don't. Don't like him,, his tactics, his style, his hair, his stupid fitted trousers, his voice and his attitude. I want him sacked immediately and then televise Lucy dumping him. I want him mocked mercilessly as a failure and reminded that his entire ethos was a joke. 

Cunt. 

Ah, so it was your wife he was caught fingering in the New Forest! 

Edited October 1 by Farmer Saint

[Lee On Solent Saint]

37 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

Deluded is the word that springs to mind and i'm not talking about RM I'm talking about most of those asking for his head and calling him vile names, shame on you!

I've supported this team for over 50 years and seen all the highs and lows. Football has changed so much in that 50 years it is almost unrecognisable. The financial chasm between the top sides and the rest is so vast now that you really have to play financial roulette with a clubs future to have any chance of staying up and being competetive now in the Premier league.

Our owners took the approach they would not risk the future of our club by spending ridiculous amounts on transfer fees and wages, which means we basically apart from the odd one or two have a Championship side competing in the Premier league. We will be relegated, i think most of us accepted that before a ball was kicked at the start of the season. Get of RM's back. Rant at the owners if you want, but this is football 2024 whether we like it or not!

All this shit about the Championship being fun is a load of bollocks. It's only fun if you are top and winning matches. This squad is likely to be heavily diluted come the start of the season if we do go down. Why are people so confident we are going to go straight back up? There's even chance we are going to end up like Stoke or Bristol City, stuck going nowhere. I don't class myself as deluded just because I want the club to at least go down with a fight and be competitive. 

Edited October 1 by Lee On Solent Saint
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[Mr Nimbus]

I've always liked RM. In my mind he had one target last season and he achieved it. 

My concern has always been just how many goals we concede. From memory I think when I toted it up, no team had ever been promoted conceding the number of goals we did. 

I paused the TV last night after one of the B'mouth goals, cant remember which one, to look at the shape of the back line. It was comical how badly they were positioned. 

I think I said this after the 4 games in a row we lost at the start of the season, he needs to find a way to defend better. Pure and simple. Is that 4 times already this season we've let in 3 goals?

I was hopeful that we had seen the seeds of a plan to being able to compete prior to last night, but that line up and performance were baffling. 

I voted no, but I dont think I could articulate a good argument for keeping him other than he's got credit with me for Wembley. 

 

[Dr Who?]

16 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

I'd love to hear the thoughts behind those who think we should keep him. 

I’ve given mine on other threads. If only it was that simple, but the club have their identity as far as they play, and have brought in players to TRY and play that way. If we change then we do not have the players for up and at them in their faces, we are fancy tippy tappy nice and pleasant on the eye kinda team/club. IF we bring someone in he has to work with what is at his disposal and that is 2/3 premier league standard players, the rest championship. So we wait January and make wholesale changes in personal and go again, but I fear that it will be far to late by then, and going by anything in here we would be looking to sack RM replacement by the end of the year anyways. The likelihood is that we will still go down, but I think this is mainly because we have not bought premier league quality players to replace what we have. Signing players on from on loan last season, does not mean they are good enough for the premier league. We have scrimped and scrapped the barrel and yes spent a fair bit, but not on the right players for the premier league. 

When we do go down, I would prefer to play like we did last season than like a Stoke type team with dwindling crowds. Burnley did the same last season after playing some amazing stuff, and they continue to play that way now back in the championship. 

We twist now and change how we play and we will end up an ordinary run of the mill championship team next season, mark my words. You will see. 

Stick with RM like Burnley did their gaffer, no matter how it goes. 

He needs to play a striker though! Last manager not to play a striker was Branfoot when he played Neil Maddison as some kind of Shearer replacement and looking confused and lost for the whole game. Yes he is learning but that is just daft! 

[Saint_clark]

2 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

I’ve given mine on other threads. If only it was that simple, but the club have their identity as far as they play, and have brought in players to TRY and play that way. If we change then we do not have the players for up and at them in their faces, we are fancy tippy tappy nice and pleasant on the eye kinda team/club. IF we bring someone in he has to work with what is at his disposal and that is 2/3 premier league standard players, the rest championship. So we wait January and make wholesale changes in personal and go again, but I fear that it will be far to late by then, and going by anything in here we would be looking to sack RM replacement by the end of the year anyways. The likelihood is that we will still go down, but I think this is mainly because we have not bought premier league quality players to replace what we have. Signing players on from on loan last season, does not mean they are good enough for the premier league. We have scrimped and scrapped the barrel and yes spent a fair bit, but not on the right players for the premier league. 

When we do go down, I would prefer to play like we did last season than like a Stoke type team with dwindling crowds. Burnley did the same last season after playing some amazing stuff, and they continue to play that way now back in the championship. 

We twist now and change how we play and we will end up an ordinary run of the mill championship team next season, mark my words. You will see. 

Stick with RM like Burnley did their gaffer, no matter how it goes. 

He needs to play a striker though! Last manager not to play a striker was Branfoot when he played Neil Maddison as some kind of Shearer replacement and looking confused and lost for the whole game. Yes he is learning but that is just daft! 

I don't agree that the players we have are suited to this style of play. I think that's a big part of the issue. 

[Kermitzasaint]

22 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Ah, so it was your wife he was caught fingerings in the New Forest! 

No. My wife is way hotter than anything he could manage

[Oldandtired]

54 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

Deluded is the word that springs to mind and i'm not talking about RM I'm talking about most of those asking for his head and calling him vile names, shame on you!

I've supported this team for over 50 years and seen all the highs and lows. Football has changed so much in that 50 years it is almost unrecognisable. The financial chasm between the top sides and the rest is so vast now that you really have to play financial roulette with a clubs future to have any chance of staying up and being competetive now in the Premier league.

Our owners took the approach they would not risk the future of our club by spending ridiculous amounts on transfer fees and wages, which means we basically apart from the odd one or two have a Championship side competing in the Premier league. We will be relegated, i think most of us accepted that before a ball was kicked at the start of the season. Get of RM's back. Rant at the owners if you want, but this is football 2024 whether we like it or not!

Then what’s the point of supporting them? As I said elsewhere if there was fight, if there was a manager who could adapt to at least compete then I wouldn’t mind.

To be honest I think you are the deluded one supporting a manager who clearly isn’t up to it.

[Dr Who?]

6 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I don't agree that the players we have are suited to this style of play. I think that's a big part of the issue. 

They are not up to premier league quality to play that way, but capable of playing, and have been brought in to play this system. Hand picked as they are needed to play this way. What I call footballing footballers. Tell them that we need to play in the style of Case, or Hurlock then you will see lost. We are tippy tappy. Defiantly do not have the quality to play this way in the premier league. But saying this watching Spurs try it last season was comical, and they had/have far more quality than we do. 

Edited October 1 by Dr Who?

[Dr Who?]

6 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I don't agree that the players we have are suited to this style of play. I think that's a big part of the issue. 

Also I am all for playing football, but NOT in the final 3rd and maybe just little more direct, but again you need the quality to break defences, see the pass, make the run. Our quality is not premier league and this is the problem. Bring in any manager we are very likely to still drop through the trap door in May. Or even earlier! 

[SaintsBarry74]

Martin has to go. The system just isn't working, and we're quickly becoming a laughing stock, having so much possession yet doing nothing with it (just look at the BBC comments). He neither has the players nor the competence to make it work, and it’s clear he doesn't have an alternative approach.

[SambaMaverick]

33 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

I’ve given mine on other threads. If only it was that simple, but the club have their identity as far as they play, and have brought in players to TRY and play that way. If we change then we do not have the players for up and at them in their faces, we are fancy tippy tappy nice and pleasant on the eye kinda team/club. IF we bring someone in he has to work with what is at his disposal and that is 2/3 premier league standard players, the rest championship. So we wait January and make wholesale changes in personal and go again, but I fear that it will be far to late by then, and going by anything in here we would be looking to sack RM replacement by the end of the year anyways. The likelihood is that we will still go down, but I think this is mainly because we have not bought premier league quality players to replace what we have. Signing players on from on loan last season, does not mean they are good enough for the premier league. We have scrimped and scrapped the barrel and yes spent a fair bit, but not on the right players for the premier league. 

When we do go down, I would prefer to play like we did last season than like a Stoke type team with dwindling crowds. Burnley did the same last season after playing some amazing stuff, and they continue to play that way now back in the championship. 

We twist now and change how we play and we will end up an ordinary run of the mill championship team next season, mark my words. You will see. 

Stick with RM like Burnley did their gaffer, no matter how it goes. 

He needs to play a striker though! Last manager not to play a striker was Branfoot when he played Neil Maddison as some kind of Shearer replacement and looking confused and lost for the whole game. Yes he is learning but that is just daft! 

He will get us less than the PL record for points... it would be a black mark on the club, as if we haven't had enough with the 9-0s.

He looks beaten now, imagine what he'd look like if we get to November without a win? It's possible, playing how we are.

[Saint Fan CaM]

4 hours ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

So we're fucked right?

It would be very easy to categorically state that we’re done for if Russ and his underperforming coaching team are left to continue on the same vein. I’d love to think he could turn it round, but I don’t think he’s capable of… (a) picking a consistent best side, (b) coaching the team to defend effectively, (c) coaching the team to play fast flowing attack minded football, (d) motivating the team to achieve anything other than passing backwards/sideways based possession football.

Conversely there is every likelihood that there is a manager/coach out there with the nouse to repair the shambles we’re seeing unfold.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

57 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

They are not up to premier league quality to play that way, but capable of playing, and have been brought in to play this system. Hand picked as they are needed to play this way. What I call footballing footballers. Tell them that we need to play in the style of Case, or Hurlock then you will see lost. We are tippy tappy. Defiantly do not have the quality to play this way in the premier league. But saying this watching Spurs try it last season was comical, and they had/have far more quality than we do. 

BBD handpicked to play this system? Have you seen him play?

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Kermitzasaint said:

No. My wife is way hotter than anything he could manage

He's with Lucy Pinder. 

[Saint_Jonny]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

He's with Lucy Pinder. 

He must have meant hotter by temperature. Maybe he likes nobbing his kettle or something. 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Dr Who? said:

Also I am all for playing football, but NOT in the final 3rd and maybe just little more direct, but again you need the quality to break defences, see the pass, make the run. Our quality is not premier league and this is the problem. Bring in any manager we are very likely to still drop through the trap door in May. Or even earlier! 

All through any of our games you will see our forwards with their arm raised starting to make a run forward yet they are ignored in favour of a sideways or backwards pass.

[Farmer Saint]

15 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

He must have meant hotter by temperature. Maybe he likes nobbing his kettle or something. 

I'm calling bullshit unless I see a picture...

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Putting players in positions that don't suit them.
Bloated squad
Working through that big squad in short order, hoping something clicks.
Beholden to a system that isn't working / countered by opponents
Contentious system, lacking momentum
Using a system lacking in key players to make it work.
Recruitment programme based on future, unearned, profits.
Vain hope relying on getting far more than you pay for in wages.
Unable to defend set pieces
Giving every opponent at least a 1 goal guarantee.
SR all in with current philosophy. Having lost millions paying off the last philosophies they were all in with, rather than going with what worked.
Chippy in interviews
Interviews not reflecting what everyone else saw
1 point on the board, after a decent sample of games.

Some are SR, a lot are the coaches.

Considering the tenure of managers, it's very rare that a touted project or identity turns out to be anything of the sort.

We can look at individual errors or set pieces. But while the coaching team focuses on eliminating those within their system, we're looking at the system/ coaching that made a lot of them possible.

Brighton used their data analysis to keep going, despite results. Depending on your goal, that's a very small sample size for the guy Brentford could do without to pin too much on.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

24 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

He must have meant hotter by temperature. Maybe he likes nobbing his kettle or something. 

 

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'm calling bullshit unless I see a picture...

[Give it to Ron]

6 hours ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

Deluded is the word that springs to mind and i'm not talking about RM I'm talking about most of those asking for his head and calling him vile names, shame on you!

I've supported this team for over 50 years and seen all the highs and lows. Football has changed so much in that 50 years it is almost unrecognisable. The financial chasm between the top sides and the rest is so vast now that you really have to play financial roulette with a clubs future to have any chance of staying up and being competetive now in the Premier league.

Our owners took the approach they would not risk the future of our club by spending ridiculous amounts on transfer fees and wages, which means we basically apart from the odd one or two have a Championship side competing in the Premier league. We will be relegated, i think most of us accepted that before a ball was kicked at the start of the season. Get of RM's back. Rant at the owners if you want, but this is football 2024 whether we like it or not!

- is it the owners whose tactics have 2 strikers 60 yards apart? 5 strikers on bench and 2 of best midfielders out of position? Insist that our 2 worst players on the ball have the most touches? 

Is it the owners who chop and change the team so much the players can’t build patterns or understanding of each others game? 
Are you saying Russ didn’t have any say in signings do you believe Wood isn’t his? Wages we could have used on a better striker?

So Archer, BBD and Cornet bought in without his approval or his legendary man management to improve them if he did its all the owners fault?

Edited October 1 by Give it to Ron

[imadirtyurchin]

2 hours ago, Dr Who? said:

I’ve given mine on other threads. If only it was that simple, but the club have their identity as far as they play, and have brought in players to TRY and play that way. If we change then we do not have the players for up and at them in their faces, we are fancy tippy tappy nice and pleasant on the eye kinda team/club. IF we bring someone in he has to work with what is at his disposal and that is 2/3 premier league standard players, the rest championship. So we wait January and make wholesale changes in personal and go again, but I fear that it will be far to late by then, and going by anything in here we would be looking to sack RM replacement by the end of the year anyways. The likelihood is that we will still go down, but I think this is mainly because we have not bought premier league quality players to replace what we have. Signing players on from on loan last season, does not mean they are good enough for the premier league.

Easy on the eye?? 🤢 if thousands of backwards and sideways passes and not threatening their goal and then conceding possession and conceding a chance or a goal is your idea of a good time?! 😂

 

I get the philosophy. But it’s just not working and he’s lost. But yeah, we’ve bought championship quality - and that doesn’t help.

but its just so boring atm. 

[franniesTache]

24 minutes ago, imadirtyurchin said:

Easy on the eye?? 🤢 if thousands of backwards and sideways passes and not threatening their goal and then conceding possession and conceding a chance or a goal is your idea of a good time?! 😂

I've started calling it JFK football.

Back, and to the left.

[Dr Who?]

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

All through any of our games you will see our forwards with their arm raised starting to make a run forward yet they are ignored in favour of a sideways or backwards pass.

This was the same for Che and his lack of service, the work rate and the constant running the line Che did was amazing. 

[Dr Who?]

4 hours ago, SambaMaverick said:

He will get us less than the PL record for points... it would be a black mark on the club, as if we haven't had enough with the 9-0s.

He looks beaten now, imagine what he'd look like if we get to November without a win? It's possible, playing how we are.

I have known us go into the 10th game of the season on 2 point, having got the 2nd point in the game before, in the 90’s and stay up. We did only lose twice in the last 9 games though! 😮 

[Kermitzasaint]

6 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

He's with Lucy Pinder. 

I'm aware of this. This may be a shock to you but there are hotter women than Lucy Pinder

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Kermitzasaint said:

I'm aware of this. This may be a shock to you but there are hotter women than Lucy Pinder

Not with people with your personality. 

Edited October 1 by Farmer Saint

[Raging Bull]

It appears that there are 47 people (so far) that have voted and need a slap. 

Edited October 1 by Raging Bull

[Kermitzasaint]

20 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'm calling bullshit unless I see a picture...

I'm not sending you a picture of me nobbing any type of kitchen appliance I'm afraid. 

Also, you don't know anything about me. You are not nearly smart enough to build an entire personality profile based off a few posts on a forum. My wife is in fact more attractive than Pinder and doesn't need to take her clothes off to make money. She is also younger than her and 11 years younger than me. She is successful and her family owns a major Newspaper.

I'm sorry this bothers you, can only assume your wife is somewhat disappointing. But besides your bitterness, this is a forum about football. I don't understand your need to get personal. Discussing Saints is why we are here. 

Edited October 2 by Kermitzasaint

[VectisSaint]

Seems pointless sacking him, we don't have players to keep us up anyway. At least we know he can be competitive in the Champ next season. Can't see anyone else could turn this bunch around, specifically recruited for RM's style of play. 

[Sheaf Saint]

3 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

Seems pointless sacking him, we don't have players to keep us up anyway. At least we know he can be competitive in the Champ next season. Can't see anyone else could turn this bunch around, specifically recruited for RM's style of play. 

But what would be the point in keeping him just to get us promoted again, if we're just going to end up back in the same place two years from now: a newly promoted team, patched together on a limited budget, led by a man who doesn't have what it takes to manage at PL level?

That's complete madness.

[Farmer Saint]

35 minutes ago, Kermitzasaint said:

I'm not sending you a picture of me nobbing any type of kitchen appliance I'm afraid. 

Also, you don't know anything about me. You are not nearly smart enough to build an entire personality profile based off a few posts on a forum. My wife is in fact more attractive than Pinder and doesn't need to take her clothes off to make money. She is also younger than her and 11 years younger than me. She is successful and her family owns a major Newspaper.

I'm sorry this bothers you, can only assume your wife is somewhat disappointing. But besides your bitterness, this is a forum about football. I don't understand your need to get personal. Discussing Saints is why we are here. 

🤣🤣🤣

I'm sure your ultra-successful, younger, drop-dead gorgeous wife really loves your lack of sense of humour. 

Edited October 2 by Farmer Saint

[saintant]

On 01/10/2024 at 08:02, Saint Fan CaM said:

I thought waking up this morning I might have softened my views in reflection of last nights debacle. Nope - the first half at least was an utterly dismal affair. But it didn’t need to be - that was inflicted on us (and the team) by Russ and the coaching team. The 2nd half despite getting a goal back was not much better in terms of performance - they still managed to move the ball around sluggishly as if they were drawing the match and yet Bournemouth still looked dangerous wanting a fourth.

I didn’t want Russ to fail and I hate the managerial merry-go-round that Saints seem so good at perpetuating, but the show is over. The experiment has run its course. Whatever the question, Russball is not the answer and we’ll not know how good the squad is until he’s gone. Russ certainly doesn’t know - he just wants to be mates with as many as possible. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Stephens and Manning back in the team soon.

However I don’t think the club will pull the trigger and sack him, such is the ineptitude. I’m thinking they’ll not even do it if we lose to Leicester. They won’t give a monkeys about having the lowest points total in EPL history. They’ll be thinking Russ is the man to re-build the team back in the Championship. Relegation - great way to lose the deadwood and start again. Break it to fix it. 🤪🙄

If they stick with RM and he takes us down with a record even worse than Derby there is no way on earth the fans/season ticket holders will accept him continuing next season.

[Whitey Grandad]

50 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

Seems pointless sacking him, we don't have players to keep us up anyway. At least we know he can be competitive in the Champ next season. Can't see anyone else could turn this bunch around, specifically recruited for RM's style of play. 

 

43 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

But what would be the point in keeping him just to get us promoted again, if we're just going to end up back in the same place two years from now: a newly promoted team, patched together on a limited budget, led by a man who doesn't have what it takes to manage at PL level?

That's complete madness.

Horses for courses.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Kermitzasaint said:

I'm not sending you a picture of me nobbing any type of kitchen appliance I'm afraid. 

Also, you don't know anything about me. You are not nearly smart enough to build an entire personality profile based off a few posts on a forum. My wife is in fact more attractive than Pinder and doesn't need to take her clothes off to make money. She is also younger than her and 11 years younger than me. She is successful and her family owns a major Newspaper.

I'm sorry this bothers you, can only assume your wife is somewhat disappointing. But besides your bitterness, this is a forum about football. I don't understand your need to get personal. Discussing Saints is why we are here. 

Remember what Arsène Wenger said,

“Everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home”

[saintant]

23 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Don't worry there's a huge pool of talented League 1 managers from which he can choose.

Having written books such as A Winner's DNE, The Gold Mine effect and Education of a Winner you would think Rasmus would be using his brilliance to make our team of losers into winners. Or maybe he just writes bullshit and some mugs are daft enough to buy his books.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, VectisSaint said:

Seems pointless sacking him, we don't have players to keep us up anyway. At least we know he can be competitive in the Champ next season. Can't see anyone else could turn this bunch around, specifically recruited for RM's style of play. 

If anyone thinks we will continue with RM on the current trajectory and then allow him to try to get us promoted next season they are living in cloud cuckoo land. The fans will be up in arms and season ticket sales will plummet. 

[BarberSaint]

I don't understand these arguments:

"He got us up> he deserves a chance> he's crap> he'll bring us back up> he'll be brilliant (next time) because he'll 'learn'. There's no evidence for that.

He's not  good enough so we'll stick with him (because that's then guaranteed failure, whereas the unknown is then a greater chance of another result albeit slim)

"He's not Nathan Jones."  Yup.

We know he's not good enough so the only reason to keep him is financial. Ankersen's loaded so he can pay him and his team off and acknowledge it's all part of his master plan. Then make the money back on his next book before his next TED talk: "The Goldmine effect two: how to get stupid people to buy into stupid ideas, which is why you're all here listening to me".

 

 

[Kermitzasaint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

🤣🤣🤣

I'm sure your ultra-successful, younger, drop-dead gorgeous wife really loves your lack of sense of humour. 

Well I think it's clear to many on here that your attempts at humour are on par with Martins coaching ability. 

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

🤣🤣🤣

 

Edited October 2 by Kermitzasaint

[Kermitzasaint]

44 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Remember what Arsène Wenger said,

“Everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home”

He obviously never met my ex wife then. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

SR's goal is to maximise profits, from a strong financial based, byselling on talent. Talent on a low an individual wages as possible, using their recruitment analysis to still bring in PL quality. Talent that might have some flaws, but works within a system.

To help, they look to have coaching systems that also maximise that recruitment, may also have flaws, but looks to get the most from small margins.

Their ideal world is a talented side on Championship+ base wages, slowly departing, for Lavia money, in successive windows and being replaced by equal skill levels.

I mention this, because that's the twist option we've seen so far. Whatever that system is, and we've had a few, works to that end.

That's why we have a pile of players (costing more than fewer players on higher wages) who aren't starting.

It's why I've had some sympathy with all our managers.

SR have to have a look at what they want. Because their plan has some issues beyond a spreadsheet.

We could do a Norwich under Farke. Come up with a working system, get thumped and go down, repeat, get found out and sink a bit.

We could do that with a Martin side, and work to a better outcome. But, like Farke at the time, there's nothing to show it would be any better second time round, should we get back up.

Short of a record low points haul, perhaps SR are prepared to accept this, somehow convincing Dragan of longer returns over short, massive financial hits.

I do think that our squad are contained by the system. That's partly that recruitment again, as well as the coaching.

There's no guarantee that someone coming in will keep us up. But it would help if SR jettison some of their Rasmus thinking. That's why we're seeing the echoes of life under Ralph, Nate and Ruben. Any new manager should be selected on different criteria.

Should someone new keep us up, they'll have to make further changes to keep us up.

[Toussaint]

56 minutes ago, saintant said:

Having written books such as A Winner's DNE, The Gold Mine effect and Education of a Winner you would think Rasmus would be using his brilliance to make our team of losers into winners. Or maybe he just writes bullshit and some mugs are daft enough to buy his books.

He must be still in the "breaking it" phase, its the only possible explanation. 

[lambtiss]

2 hours ago, Kermitzasaint said:

I'm not sending you a picture of me nobbing any type of kitchen appliance I'm afraid. 

Also, you don't know anything about me. You are not nearly smart enough to build an entire personality profile based off a few posts on a forum. My wife is in fact more attractive than Pinder and doesn't need to take her clothes off to make money. She is also younger than her and 11 years younger than me. She is successful and her family owns a major Newspaper.

I'm sorry this bothers you, can only assume your wife is somewhat disappointing. But besides your bitterness, this is a forum about football. I don't understand your need to get personal. Discussing Saints is why we are here. 

So, why have you written a whole post on your family trivia which is of interest to nobody. 

[Chewy]

44 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

SR's goal is to maximise profits, from a strong financial based, byselling on talent. Talent on a low an individual wages as possible, using their recruitment analysis to still bring in PL quality. Talent that might have some flaws, but works within a system.

To help, they look to have coaching systems that also maximise that recruitment, may also have flaws, but looks to get the most from small margins.

Their ideal world is a talented side on Championship+ base wages, slowly departing, for Lavia money, in successive windows and being replaced by equal skill levels.

I mention this, because that's the twist option we've seen so far. Whatever that system is, and we've had a few, works to that end.

That's why we have a pile of players (costing more than fewer players on higher wages) who aren't starting.

It's why I've had some sympathy with all our managers.

SR have to have a look at what they want. Because their plan has some issues beyond a spreadsheet.

We could do a Norwich under Farke. Come up with a working system, get thumped and go down, repeat, get found out and sink a bit.

We could do that with a Martin side, and work to a better outcome. But, like Farke at the time, there's nothing to show it would be any better second time round, should we get back up.

Short of a record low points haul, perhaps SR are prepared to accept this, somehow convincing Dragan of longer returns over short, massive financial hits.

I do think that our squad are contained by the system. That's partly that recruitment again, as well as the coaching.

There's no guarantee that someone coming in will keep us up. But it would help if SR jettison some of their Rasmus thinking. That's why we're seeing the echoes of life under Ralph, Nate and Ruben. Any new manager should be selected on different criteria.

Should someone new keep us up, they'll have to make further changes to keep us up.

Some interesting points, and want to pick up on one of them which is the coaching piece. 
Of course you can only coach what the recruitment team provide, but I’m struggling to think of players, particularly the young assets SR want to monitise, that RM have improved. 
It depends on your parameters but arguably you can put Bazunu, Larios, ABK, THB, Edward’s, Wood, Downes, Charles, Smallbone, Edozie, Sulemana, Meghoma and SAA in the not improved column. 
Downes and THB have done well at times, but I’d argue haven’t moved up a level.

His commitment to a team ethic has helped some, notably ArmA and Stephen’s last season. But in terms of coaching to technically improve people? No.

And if our model is to buy cheap potential, develop and then cash-in, seeing a load of talented kids stagnating is as likely to cause an itch on the trigger finger than some poor results.

I guess the point is that RM isn’t getting results or hitting the brief of developing kids for cash. It’s not looking great for him

Edited October 2 by Chewy
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