Stick or Twist? (Poll)

[Dark Munster]

I voted No. I think he deserves at least until Christmas. Today was disappointing, but there are promising signs, he has great man management skills, and was unlucky to lose against Newcastle, to not beat Ipswich, and I think we'd have got a result against Utd. but for that penalty miss.

I think he can turn it around and we'll be singing a different tune in a month or so.

 

 

 

Just kidding. F*ck off Martin.

[OttawaSaint]

1 hour ago, Dark Munster said:

I voted No. I think he deserves at least until Christmas. Today was disappointing, but there are promising signs, he has great man management skills, and was unlucky to lose against Newcastle, to not beat Ipswich, and I think we'd have got a result against Utd. but for that penalty miss.

I think he can turn it around and we'll be singing a different tune in a month or so.

 

 

 

Just kidding. F*ck off Martin.

Ok phew. You had me in the first part.

[SotonianWill]

Don’t want to overreact… but… anyone who voted no isn’t learning from the last relegation season. We need a good replacement early - last time we waited too long when the options were available and was left with Jones. Moyes is available and he’d be my choice. 

[Football Special]

7 hours ago, CSA96 said:

You really think that we would be better than three other teams in the league just by changing the manager? They'd have to be one hell of a player-manager to turn us around that dramatically. And you think the bloke whose last gig was taking Chelsea to the UCL quarter finals is going to fancy the job? Even better 

It's about as likely as a Ball / Mcmenemy dream team coming back to rescue us. 

[CB Fry]

A replacement needs 30 games now, not 18 games in December.

It's a shame but do it now Saints.

[HKsaint]

This should be a question of when , not if. Sacking him now, we may still have a chance to gain some points in the games against Everton and Wolves, which are six-pointers and must win cases for survival. 

[coalman]

I want to vote No just because I'm sick of the manager merry go round but we're not getting better. He persists with things we know don't work and players we know aren't up to it at this level. The players don't seem to be playing for him. It's hard to see how he turns this around. We got away with his deficiencies last season because we scored lots. This year not do much.

The scary thing is who on earth is Rasmus going to pick next?

Edited October 1 by coalman

[Football Special]

22 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

A replacement needs 30 games now, not 18 games in December.

It's a shame but do it now Saints.

No way he gets sacked before this game. I think they'll give him Leicester home. 

[sambosa75]

8 hours ago, CSA96 said:

You really think that we would be better than three other teams in the league just by changing the manager? They'd have to be one hell of a player-manager to turn us around that dramatically. And you think the bloke whose last gig was taking Chelsea to the UCL quarter finals is going to fancy the job? Even better 

Yes I do.  I’m fairly confident any new manager wouldn’t persevere with the style of play we currently have.  I’m confident they’d be happy to sacrifice a bit of possession to get us further up the field and present more of a goal threat.  There are small changes that could easily be made to the way we play that would make us more difficult to beat but Martin is too stubborn to accept it.

I think you are somewhat overhyping Potter’s achievements at Chelsea.  He was an abject failure there despite their performance in Europe and will need to prove himself somewhere.  I haven’t exactly seen any big clubs desperate to hire him since then, have you?

[chownie20]

I was hopeful we had seen enough that things might click, as he had not really been 2md best except Brentford.

The recruitment has been great I think, except for the striker department. We bought BBD and Archer when we needed a strong physical 9. (Tall Paul or Che style). I believe there is enough quality everywhere else if we get it working.

The first half last night though was the nail in the coffin. Ridiculous experimental team selection. What did Cornet do to deserve a start. Why move Dibling out of his successful position and partnership. It's like he doesn't know what our best team is or trust an 11 to gel. He doesn't know what our best team is.

He is a great man manager and has improved Aribo tonnes for example. But if we are all honest we made hard work of last season with a very strong squad albeit it was a freak year. We could have so easily missed out after having it in our hands eventually at one point.

What worries me though is who we might bring in. We won't do a Hughes style appointment because we try to be clever.

Eustace is a Championship manager, like him, but we need to invest in someone proven. Rohl likewise. Appointments for last year but not now.

Where do other clubs get managers like Iriola, the Brighton guy who come to the prem and hit the ground running? When we try that we get Pellegrino!

I can't stand Moyes but he could be the solid option with prem experience we need to pick up some points. Rob Edwards? Potter might not be out of reach and don't think he'd get the United job. Can't see any proven prem names beyond those three...or Ralph. Edwards was the man Ipswich wanted when mckenna was off to Brighton. 

[ErwinK1961]

5 minutes ago, sambosa75 said:

Yes I do.  I’m fairly confident any new manager wouldn’t persevere with the style of play we currently have.  I’m confident they’d be happy to sacrifice a bit of possession to get us further up the field and present more of a goal threat.  There are small changes that could easily be made to the way we play that would make us more difficult to beat but Martin is too stubborn to accept it.

I think you are somewhat overhyping Potter’s achievements at Chelsea.  He was an abject failure there despite their performance in Europe and will need to prove himself somewhere.  I haven’t exactly seen any big clubs desperate to hire him since then, have you?

There’s not a chance in hell that Potter comes here. He’ll hang on until a mid table side gets an itchy trigger finger.

I’d go for Moyes, though suspect he wouldn’t fancy it much either.

That’s why we’ll end up with a Eustace or similar.

[BotleySaint]

14 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

That’s why we’ll end up with a Eustace or similar.

SR have a bad record for appointing managers. We'll end up with Bristol City's manager or someone equally left field and be told they are a hidden genius. A week later we'll have another infamous mic'd up training session of them shouting at everyone.

Edited October 1 by BotleySaint

[CB Fry]

22 minutes ago, chownie20 said:

I was hopeful we had seen enough that things might click, as he had not really been 2md best except Brentford.

This line proves the value of "flattering to deceive".

We haven't looked like winning any game except Ipswich. We were dreadful against Forest just pissing about waiting for the inevitable goal from them.

And not in the game for any of the others - 35 minute spells here and there with no end product doesn't get anyone anywhere. Well, it gets us winless and basically bottom.

Edited October 1 by CB Fry

[Chewy]

I’m going with regrettably yes, with the caveat that only if we have a competent replacement lined up. 
Im not against the man or his style, but I just don’t think he’s capable at this level - he seems to mentally wilt under the slightest hint of stress and that’s not helpful in this job where there’s tonnes of it. There was pressure last night and he lost his mind with that selection. 
I don’t see how things improve with him here.
 

He has built a real team ethic which is underestimated by many on here and he’s been let down by the failure (yet again) to buy a striker. Added to which we were always likely to be relegated this season, so that in itself isn’t necessarily a reason to be sacked. 
But if we continue on this form and with these tactics, I fear the team togetherness will disappear and we’ll be left with a quality squad for a championship challenge lacking in confidence and belief, led by a mentality fragile RM and I don’t see the point in going down that very predictable route. 
Added to which the fan-base rightly or wrongly doesn’t seem to like him or his football. It’ll get toxic and even if it’s not fully warranted it’ll be an impossible environment for the players.

Having said all that, I think we only do it as and when we have someone lined up who is worth it long term. I make no bones about being a fan of Potter and if he’s keen I’d go now. We missed out on Howe by dithering years ago, I don’t want to make the same mistake. But if we’re going to sack RM for another random punt or for someone who plays football that requires totally different footballers to the ones we have, I would be much less supportive of pulling the trigger now.

I also think we need a 48 hour breather before deciding. Last night’s first half was as shambolic as I can recall and I suspect we’re all still seething so maybe giving ourselves a day to calm down will help make a more reasonable judgement 

Edited October 1 by Chewy
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[Saint Fan CaM]

I thought waking up this morning I might have softened my views in reflection of last nights debacle. Nope - the first half at least was an utterly dismal affair. But it didn’t need to be - that was inflicted on us (and the team) by Russ and the coaching team. The 2nd half despite getting a goal back was not much better in terms of performance - they still managed to move the ball around sluggishly as if they were drawing the match and yet Bournemouth still looked dangerous wanting a fourth.

I didn’t want Russ to fail and I hate the managerial merry-go-round that Saints seem so good at perpetuating, but the show is over. The experiment has run its course. Whatever the question, Russball is not the answer and we’ll not know how good the squad is until he’s gone. Russ certainly doesn’t know - he just wants to be mates with as many as possible. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Stephens and Manning back in the team soon.

However I don’t think the club will pull the trigger and sack him, such is the ineptitude. I’m thinking they’ll not even do it if we lose to Leicester. They won’t give a monkeys about having the lowest points total in EPL history. They’ll be thinking Russ is the man to re-build the team back in the Championship. Relegation - great way to lose the deadwood and start again. Break it to fix it. 🤪🙄

[Saint Paul C]

Voted Yes, but reluctantly.  

I wanted Martin to succeed, and in some ways he has buy getting us back to the PL at the first time of asking... However, it feels like we have gone into this season unprepared in many ways. Not really knowing who your best 15 are and faffing about with formations on a week to week basis is a clear sign of a manager guessing at the right mix of players. Also, the lack of acknowledgement that the tika-taka style isn't for us and the fact that we clearly need to adopt a more simplistic approach should be a made decision by now.

 We all know that possession for possession's sake is pointless, as our league position clearly demonstrates, but to go into what should be a close game against a team like B'mouth who we should be at least about equal to with no specialist strikers is bonkers.. maybe arrogance has gotten the better of him.

Cheer Russell, it's been a ride but it's time to admit your shortcomings and do the right thing by the club.

 

PS - whoever is our defence coach needs sacking today.

[Pamplemousse]

I was fully on board the Martin train but last night did it for me. It's patently obvious that the tactics need to change, and Martin won't adapt.

Therefore, reluctantly, and with an appreciation that he got us promoted last season, a change is necessary. I'd give him the Arsenal game because it's a free hit but then get someone in ready after the international break.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

24 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I thought waking up this morning I might have softened my views in reflection of last nights debacle. Nope - the first half at least was an utterly dismal affair. But it didn’t need to be - that was inflicted on us (and the team) by Russ and the coaching team. The 2nd half despite getting a goal back was not much better in terms of performance - they still managed to move the ball around sluggishly as if they were drawing the match and yet Bournemouth still looked dangerous wanting a fourth.

I didn’t want Russ to fail and I hate the managerial merry-go-round that Saints seem so good at perpetuating, but the show is over. The experiment has run its course. Whatever the question, Russball is not the answer and we’ll not know how good the squad is until he’s gone. Russ certainly doesn’t know - he just wants to be mates with as many as possible. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Stephens and Manning back in the team soon.

However I don’t think the club will pull the trigger and sack him, such is the ineptitude. I’m thinking they’ll not even do it if we lose to Leicester. They won’t give a monkeys about having the lowest points total in EPL history. They’ll be thinking Russ is the man to re-build the team back in the Championship. Relegation - great way to lose the deadwood and start again. Break it to fix it. 🤪🙄

If they don't sack him, St Mary's will become like the last days of the Jones reign. Toxic with fans booing every decision. He just can't continue. 

[saintoaks]

Wanted (Want) him to succeed playing "his" style of football but look at the difference of the two teams last night and i dont even think they're that good when pressure was applied. For us to play this style of football and win matches on a consistant basis is just not realistic (ratio of chances) but it will be really expensive to get rid of the manager and his coaching staff as they've just signed new contracts.

The board will be pressured into making a massive decision if results keep going this way and they will not want to go down again as that could undo all the hard work that that got us here in the first place.

I very much doubt we'll get anything at Arsenal then that leaves the break where the board may twist, we need someone with premiership experience at our level and think David Moyes would steady the ship and gain the respect of the players immediately (That's if he would come to us)

Interesting times 😃

[badgerx16]

Not to worry, we only have Arsenal and Man City away in our next three matches.

[Convict Colony]

I voeted yes not just on last night but last year it was apparent when teams press us and also squeeze the midfield we couldnt deal with it and gave up easy goals we could just score our way out of it.

Now we still have that same problem on steroids but dont have the forwards to help us score our way out of it.

This season has already see us start with a 3 at the back and when that wasnt working move to 2 at the back and 1 extra in midfield but the formation isnt the problem its the recycling of the ball backwards unecessarily, inviting the press and the inevitable fuck up as our defenders are pressed.

Honestly I dont know the solution myself or who could replace him and improve our results but its not my job too, think Rasmus is on thin ice as this will be his 4th manager he would potential sack/not renew etc, how much longer is it until dragan buys out the other shareholders and takes the bull by the horns.

[LiberalCommunist]

We got lucky last season. I think the championship showed his inadequacies. For the sake of the players we need to build our future around, a change is now required. Three or 4 more defeats and the scar tissue will run too deep. 

[Kenilworthy]

51 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

I was fully on board the Martin train but last night did it for me. It's patently obvious that the tactics need to change, and Martin won't adapt.

Therefore, reluctantly, and with an appreciation that he got us promoted last season, a change is necessary. I'd give him the Arsenal game because it's a free hit but then get someone in ready after the international break.

We had tactics last night?

[Greedyfly]

10 hours ago, SambaMaverick said:

Petulant fuck

My favourite bit about the strikers comment is, if we needed to score goals and win games, why the fuck were they on the bench - which presumably was the point of the question in the first place.  The dopey prick.

[danjosaint]

We looked so badly coached and had no composure or belief,  no gameplay absolute fucking shambles and all this bollocks about being good at  man managing , I'm not to sure as they clearly weren't playing for him last night 

[gammon cheeks]

Martin is a average championship manager who got a chance but is so out of his depth at this level it's embarrassing. We need experience at this level and a manager that will play to the strengths of the players we have .  Moyes for me .

[saintant]

9 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Good post, but the part highlighted is golden. If he hadn’t already lost the changing room, he has after tonight’s post-match comments. He’s become his own liability and he has to go before he does any more damage to the squad or himself for that matter.

Agree - I said before that it's easy to have a happy dressing room when things are going well but the acid test comes when the team is under the hammer and losing week after week - that's when the finger pointing and recrimination starts and the once contented dressing room quickly unravels into a toxic mess.

[Turkish]

We are still in the famous 10 game adapting to the premier league phase so with 4 games to go we are one point ahead of schedule. 

[Sunglasses Ron]

11 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

I'd love to hear the thoughts behind those who think we should keep him. 

The only rationale I can offer is:

1.  We've literally just given him a new contract which will (yet again) cost a fortune to pay off.

2. Is it already too late to salvage this season?  We have Arsenal, Manchester City and Liverpool in our next six fixtures (albeit with the trade-off that we also have Leicester, Everton and Wolves in the same period).

[Saint Fan CaM]

18 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We are still in the famous 10 game adapting to the premier league phase so with 4 games to go we are one point ahead of schedule. 

So you voted ‘no’?

(I tried checking but the poll was anonymous unfortunately!)

[Sheaf Saint]

On the Bournemouth build-up thread yesterday, there were one or two posts suggesting that RM should be sacked if we lost the game. At the time, I thought that was premature, and a little too simplistic to hinge his / the club's future on the outcome of a single game.

But...

It's not just the fact that we lost. It's the manner of the defeat for me. If we had played well, been competitive but just unlucky and not come away with anything, I wouldn't be calling for his head. But that's not what happened, is it.

We started the game OK, and created a couple of chances. but as soon as that first goal went in, everything went to utter shit. The players started panicking, and the crazy experimental formation was exposed for the utter folly it was. For about half an hour through to half time, we couldn't even get out of our own half, and Bournemouth were swarming all over us. On the few occasions we did manage to get near their box, we had players over committed which left us badly exposed in midfield and vulnerable to a fast counter attack (see their second goal when Flynn was caught out of position).

And what was Martin doing while all this was going on? Standing in his technical area looking like a broken man, with no ability to see what literally everyone else watching could see - that his bonkers formation was not working at all and we needed to make an immediate tactical change to stop them running rampant and putting the result beyond any doubt before half time. He failed to do that, and the game was already lost when he did finally make the changes at HT.

I like the guy, and I will be eternally grateful for guiding us to win the playoffs last season. But he clearly isn't up to the job here if he can't even see such obvious failings in his own strategy and make the most simple of changes to keep us in a match. And the way he got pissy with Alfie House afterwards, bizarrely defending his decision to put 5 strikers on the bench on the basis that we needed to score goals - seriously WTF!?

So, all in all, he's lost me now and I've reluctantly voted yes. He obviously doesn't have the nous or the desire to adapt in such a way to make this team competitive. I get that there are serious limitations with the squad, but we've got a damn sight more quality than Luton had last year, and even they managed to make themselves difficult to beat at times. The way Russ sets us up and coaches the defence is so poor, it makes us ridiculously easy to play against. It's inexcusable, and I see no sign of that ever changing with him in charge.

We'll probably still go down even with a change of manager. But at least give us a chance of going down fighting, because if we continue like we are then the amount of 'scar tissue' this squad will have to overcome next season will be even worse than it was in 2023.

Edited October 1 by Sheaf Saint

[Kermitzasaint]

Didn't want him. Still don't. Don't like him,, his tactics, his style, his hair, his stupid fitted trousers, his voice and his attitude. I want him sacked immediately and then televise Lucy dumping him. I want him mocked mercilessly as a failure and reminded that his entire ethos was a joke. 

Cunt. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

19 minutes ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

The only rationale I can offer is:

1.  We've literally just given him a new contract which will (yet again) cost a fortune to pay off.

2. Is it already too late to salvage this season?  We have Arsenal, Manchester City and Liverpool in our next six fixtures (albeit with the trade-off that we also have Leicester, Everton and Wolves in the same period).

That’s like watching your most prized horse run off over yonder hill, after your most trusted stable girl has left the stable door open. You know it’s pointless putting up a chase and for a minute all you can do is gasp at the ineptitude of the stable girl who is sobbing, not knowing whether to have a rant or call the authorities first. Whatever, you know for certain things will never be the same.

[Sunglasses Ron]

6 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

That’s like watching your most prized horse run off over yonder hill, after your most trusted stable girl has left the stable door open. You know it’s pointless putting up a chase and for a minute all you can do is gasp at the ineptitude of the stable girl who is sobbing, not knowing whether to have a rant or call the authorities first. Whatever, you know for certain things will never be the same.

So we're fucked right?

[Ex Lion Tamer]

The passing game is good for teams with more ability to get the results they deserve. It worked when we were a better team in the Championship but won't work now we're weak in the Premier League.

It's always worth trying a new manager to see if they can turn results around. Martin isn't so valuable that it's worth sticking with him for next season

[franniesTache]

Can anyone explain why so many people say they like Martin?

Seriously all i see is people saying "i like Martin but..." followed by a list of his failings.

The bloke struggled to get us promoted, and arguably only did so because he changed his style of play which was the thing that held us back. He has then started the season with a nigh on suicidal system that has seen us ship goals and create nothing, then blamed the players/himself and ignored what needs to be fixed (which is obvious to everyone). He's also shown complete arrogance in refusing to adapt, and changes his team every week so there's no consistency.

So what the hell is it people like? Because at this point in time i'm starting to thing the only thing it can be is "the idea of his football", as there's pretty much nothing else there to enjoy than some conceptual philosophy.

Edited October 1 by franniesTache

[sydney_saint]

I voted time to leave. I actually like Martin as a person. But I have never warmed to this style of football. For over a decade we played a real high octane football with a clear identity. Adkins, Poch, Ralph, and to a lessor extent Koeman, really got in the faces of the opposition. Sure it didn't always work, there were some thrashings along the way, and sometimes we looked clueless and dismal. But any Saints team is gonna get walloped now and again in the prem.

I don't care if we go down, I didn't last time either. Someone has to. I did care about the lack of fight though. 

I don't want us to be Man City -lite. I switch off often when they are playing, and they are the best if the world at that style of football. If we are gonna copy some of the bigger clubs, I would much prefer copying Liverpool, Spurs, Leverkusen, Atalanta from a few years ago. Something that is more exciting than this. Watching Bournemouth, I feel a bit jealous of the way they play

Edited October 1 by sydney_saint

[sydney_saint]

14 minutes ago, franniesTache said:

Can anyone explain why so many people say they like Martin?

Seriously all i see is people saying "i like Martin but..." followed by a list of his failings.

The bloke struggled to get us promoted, and arguably only did so because he changed his style of play which was the thing that held us back. He has then started the season with a nigh on suicidal system that has seen us ship goals and create nothing, then blamed the players/himself and ignored what needs to be fixed (which is obvious to everyone). He's also shown complete arrogance in refusing to adapt, and changes his team every week so there's no consistency.

So what the hell is it people like? Because at this point in time i'm starting to thing the only thing it can be is "the idea of his football", as there's pretty much nothing else there to enjoy than some conceptual philosophy.

I said I like him, but for purely non football reasons. As a person his values align similarly to mine. I think he is a decent human being. But in football terms I agree with everything you said. I didn't want him cos he hadn't achieved anything as a manager yet and was getting parachuted into one of the best well resourced team in the Championship ever. He then managed to come 4th in what should have been a 3 horse race. Hit style of football bores me, and is not as original as he thinks.

[Pamplemousse]

Maybe we are waiting for Man Utd to sack Ten Hag and hope Jason Wilcox comes calling to take him off our hands

[Saint_Jonny]

I only voted keep him as I can't see past the quality of our squad as not being good enough regardless of who we get in. I have always seen this season as a stepping stone to where we will be in a couple of seasons time; relegated this season, build back stronger next season and have a proper crack at the Premier League then after Martin has had a few more seasons under his belt to learn some humility and flexibility. Sacking him now gets us what? A complete change of style with a group of players not suited to that either. At least if we stick this out we'll be ready to go again in the Championship with a style that has (mostly) worked for us before in that league. 

I don't see any of this happening of course, ultimately managers don't survive losing every week and we will end up with another manager and our impatient fanbase will just jump on the next poor soul who dares to take up the challenge as soon as lose a couple of games with the exact same squad Martin had to use. I can't believe this is the cylce people want to see repeating itself. 

[skintsaint]

When things aren't going right you set your team/tactics up to do the basics right, but last night he came up with that formation/team shows to me he is running out of ideas. 

[Kenilworthy]

Since Martin achieved what he was asked to do last season I believed he had earned the right to have a chance in the Premier League. I hoped there would be signs of him learning. But there are none, he is patently not up to the job. I can see the argument that we stick with him and then he brings us back up again next season. But what will that actually achieve? We would come up with a team adapted to the possession game that we can get to work in the Championship. But it is not a style that a team like Saints can make work at this level because we are not able to afford the world-class players you need. While we do know that you can achieve survival with lesser players well-managed in a pressing style. What we need now is both a change of manager and a change of style.

[tisspahars]

I have changed position quite quickly in thinking he needs to go - not just quite how bad last night but the fact I really don't think he knows which way to jump now. He said Joe Aribo did well and showed fight (both true imo) and that this would be what the team selection was about now. All well and good except Joe was clearly among the group he said he had stuck with too long out of loyalty and we needed to introduce our PL quality buys. I don't, sadly, see things turning round under RM so the obvious move is to give him the free hit at Arsenal and then move on over the international break.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

30 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

I only voted keep him as I can't see past the quality of our squad as not being good enough regardless of who we get in. I have always seen this season as a stepping stone to where we will be in a couple of seasons time; relegated this season, build back stronger next season and have a proper crack at the Premier League then after Martin has had a few more seasons under his belt to learn some humility and flexibility. Sacking him now gets us what? A complete change of style with a group of players not suited to that either. At least if we stick this out we'll be ready to go again in the Championship with a style that has (mostly) worked for us before in that league. 

I don't see any of this happening of course, ultimately managers don't survive losing every week and we will end up with another manager and our impatient fanbase will just jump on the next poor soul who dares to take up the challenge as soon as lose a couple of games with the exact same squad Martin had to use. I can't believe this is the cylce people want to see repeating itself. 

What makes you think we will come straight back up? We only just managed to scrape it last season.

[obelisk]

1 hour ago, Saint_Jonny said:

relegated this season, build back stronger next season

That's akin to a religious faith. There's no evidence that would even happen.

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Not to worry, we only have Arsenal and Man City away in our next three matches.

All the more reason to get someone in now and let him work on the basics.

[Kenilworthy]

1 hour ago, tisspahars said:

I have changed position quite quickly in thinking he needs to go - not just quite how bad last night but the fact I really don't think he knows which way to jump now. He said Joe Aribo did well and showed fight (both true imo) and that this would be what the team selection was about now. All well and good except Joe was clearly among the group he said he had stuck with too long out of loyalty and we needed to introduce our PL quality buys. I don't, sadly, see things turning round under RM so the obvious move is to give him the free hit at Arsenal and then move on over the international break.

But suppose he gets lucky with a point at Arsenal? That could put the sacking off by a month

[Colinjb]

2 hours ago, Kermitzasaint said:

Didn't want him. Still don't. Don't like him,, his tactics, his style, his hair, his stupid fitted trousers, his voice and his attitude. I want him sacked immediately and then televise Lucy dumping him. I want him mocked mercilessly as a failure and reminded that his entire ethos was a joke. 

Cunt. 

Harsh but fair.

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

So you voted ‘no’?

(I tried checking but the poll was anonymous unfortunately!)

i havent voted yet, nor made up my mind

In his favour he has good hair and beard, he dresses well he the most handsome manager we've had since Poch

Going against him are results, style of play, performance of the team and the inevitability of relegation if he stays

[Greedyfly]

18 minutes ago, Turkish said:

i havent voted yet, nor made up my mind

In his favour he has good hair and beard, he dresses well he the most handsome manager we've had since Poch

Going against him are results, style of play, performance of the team and the inevitability of relegation if he stays

Quite the dilemma that!