Stick or Twist? (Poll)

[Disco Stu]

It would be interesting to get a general forum consensus 6 games in.

[Edmonton Saint]

Done with his nonsense.  Thankyou for Wembley, but goodbye Russell.

[Sir Ralph]

Too stubborn

[benali-shorts]

Might as well keep him for arsenal humiliation. And then I'd make BB-D manager. 

[Suhari]

He can't set up a defence, his teams play too slowly and he won't change his 'principles'.

We need a change, unless we're happy to go straight down with a whimper.

[AlexLaw76]

Get rid

[Dusic]

Ive been on the side of giving him more time but the fact he is chopping and changing so much just makes me think he running out of ideas.

Tonight he ripped up the good bits of the Ipswich game - Dibling/Sugawara partnership, midfield 3, Archer threat in behind - and if majorly backfired.

Squad being too big doesn't help him but hard to have much confidence of an improvement and if no action the season will just become pointless.

[BotleySaint]

Suicidal first half formation and team. Experimenting in a game we needed to get at least a point.

Need to get a manager in who can set up a team.

[CSA96]

There's not a manager realistically available and capable of keeping us in the PL, imo - but we have been particularly naive to start the season

Edited 30 September, 2024 by CSA96

[Saint_clark]

I'd love to hear the thoughts behind those who think we should keep him. 

[ally_uk]

He hasn't got a f--king clue! Must win game tonight.... 

What's he do ?

Put majority of our strike force on the bench.....

What a clown 🤡 

 

[saint francis]

Replaced, no question.  Right now, the weakness is the tactics more than the players.  

[SambaMaverick]

Not only are we set up suicidally, we are weak and lazy. No graft in any of the squad. That can only be the manager's fault, there's no question of quality there.

[Nolan]

Russel Martin's play has similarities with our opponents.

Generally they pass towards our goal, and we pass towards our goal.

Time for alternative ideas.

[egg]

4 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

There's not a manager realistically available and capable of keeping us in the PL, imo - but we have been particularly naive to start the season

So we keep him because you can't think of anyone better? That's no reason to keep the bloke. 

[benali-shorts]

He'll never be comfortable compromising his possession-style (which was always going to be suicidal in the PL with our squad) and hasn't any pedigree in making teams tighter. He'll be far too spiky to put up with continued question marks over his job - sadly, he's not what we need at this stag. He's been very let down by being given a squad which is physically and technically inadequate. 

[sambosa75]

No good is going to come with persevering with his style of football.  It’s not all of a sudden going to fall into place and we start winning games.  Not in the PL. He clearly doesn’t know who his best XI is either which is a huge concern.

[SuperSAINT]

Big issue that we gave him so much power this summer with no DoF in place.

[trousers]

As chief forum fence-sitter I'm going to abstain. I've been hopeful that something might click, but it's looking less and less likely as each game passes. I've been minded to give him 10 games to sink or swim. So, what's that, another 4 games? Tick tock...

 

[sambosa75]

6 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

There's not a manager realistically available and capable of keeping us in the PL, imo - but we have been particularly naive to start the season

Well that’s bollocks in my opinion.  Moyes would have us set up to be more difficult to beat.  Potter might fancy a crack too and will feel like he’s got something to prove.

[Harry_SFC]

2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I'd love to hear the thoughts behind those who think we should keep him. 

Sounds to me that the players have given up with Martin.

[Jack]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

As chief forum fence-sitter I'm going to abstain. I've been hopeful that something might click, but it's looking less and less likely as each game passes. I've been minded to give him 10 games to sink or swim. So, what's that, another 4 games? Tick tock...

 

Leicester and Everton are looking like must wins already. Fancy a Russell side to have the nouse for that? 

[stknowle]

It’s a massively tough ask for anyone but quite frankly he’s starting to look really flaky. Twist.

[CSA96]

8 minutes ago, egg said:

So we keep him because you can't think of anyone better? That's no reason to keep the bloke. 

You'll do well to point out where I've said that

[Greedyfly]

11 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

He hasn't got a f--king clue! Must win game tonight.... 

What's he do ?

Put majority of our strike force on the bench.....

What a clown 🤡 

 

It was the entirety of our strike force (if you mean purely "strikers" that is).

[CSA96]

6 minutes ago, sambosa75 said:

Well that’s bollocks in my opinion.  Moyes would have us set up to be more difficult to beat.  Potter might fancy a crack too and will feel like he’s got something to prove.

You really think that we would be better than three other teams in the league just by changing the manager? They'd have to be one hell of a player-manager to turn us around that dramatically. And you think the bloke whose last gig was taking Chelsea to the UCL quarter finals is going to fancy the job? Even better 

[Hodgey]

9 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I'd love to hear the thoughts behind those who think we should keep him. 

I think we should keep him. I don’t trust our club not to fcuk the appt up further - whoever we get would be subsequently fired so what’s the point - see if we improve as the season goes on to see if he gets another go at the championship. There simply isn’t enough goals in this side to stay up.

That said not impressed today - the line up was clearly ridiculous. Not sure if he was making a point about how bad our strikers are but at least play who you think is the best one.

[benali-shorts]

6 minutes ago, Hodgey said:

I think we should keep him. I don’t trust our club not to fcuk the appt up further - whoever we get would be subsequently fired so what’s the point - see if we improve as the season goes on to see if he gets another go at the championship. There simply isn’t enough goals in this side to stay up.

That said not impressed today - the line up was clearly ridiculous. Not sure if he was making a point about how bad our strikers are but at least play who you think is the best one.

If one thing that is absolutely certain, we will definitely fuck up the replacement, but that might at least take as one step closer to exposing Rasmus as the root of all incompetence. 

[LGTL]

Worse than Nathan Jones which is an incredible achievement. 

[SambaMaverick]

He's proper lost his head with Alfie House this evening as well, his toes are to the fire for sure

[Give it to Ron]

I reluctantly put yes - it’s taken me a while to get over 2 forwards 60 yards apart but tonight 2 wingers with no centre forward and playing best 2 midfielders recently out of position it has to be go.

[aintforever]

I don’t think anyone will keep this shite squad up but it’s worth rolling the dice. As most of us thought, Martin’s style with these players just leaves us horribly exposed, I expect a humping by Arsenal will be the final nail in his coffin.

[stknowle]

10 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

He's proper lost his head with Alfie House this evening as well, his toes are to the fire for sure

What did he say/do to A.H?

[SambaMaverick]

Just now, stknowle said:

What did he say/do to A.H?

Petulant fuck

[Colinjb]

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We need to win a game, we need to score more goals. We haven't scored enough goals. I mean, that was pretty self-explanatory

So, yeah. Putting the strikers on the bench will do it, right Russell?

[redandwhitey]

So, if that is the case why were they on the bench and not on the bloody pitch ???

[franniesTache]

It was obvious before the start of the season he wasn't good enough, we should've sacked him the day after the play off final. Instead we offered him a new contract.

The bloke is so far out of his depth it's a joke, and his style is suicidal.

What we need is a manager with a bit of bollocks and nastiness to him, someone who knows how to shithouse a win and isn't just there to placate a bunch of nerds by winning the stats "battle" or trying to play football like Barcelona when we have the ability of Bromley.

[CanadaSaint]

Good managing is largely down to three things - selection, tactics and man management. His starting line-up tonight was a Frankenstein-esque gong show, his tactics were even exploited in the EFL and everyone bar him knew they'd be suicidal up here, and two PL quality players (KWP and ABK) have been left out in the cold for unknown reasons - probably questioning him. That's 3 fails right there, but he's not done.

He deploys a carthorse as a wide attacker on the left, happily plays most games without a focal point in the box, persists with taking an eternity to get the ball forward, and now sticks it on the shoulders of an 18 year-old to dribble through the opposition as our main form of attack. Meanwhile, Bournemouth stuff us with the very tactics he despises.

If anyone has the temerity to question him when things inevitably go pear-shaped, he throws one of his hyper-sensitive "smartest guy in the room" retorts.

We won't find out how good our squad is until he's nowhere near it. 

[CB Fry]

4 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

So, yeah. Putting the strikers on the bench will do it, right Russell?

Of all the things to be petulant about, saying "we need to score goals so I put my entire strike force on the bench" is not the clever clever slam-dunk response he thinks it is.

[Wiggles31]

3 minutes ago, CanadaSaint said:

Good managing is largely down to three things - selection, tactics and man management. His starting line-up tonight was a Frankenstein-esque gong show, his tactics were even exploited in the EFL and everyone bar him knew they'd be suicidal up here, and two PL quality players (KWP and ABK) have been left out in the cold for unknown reasons - probably questioning him. That's 3 fails right there, but he's not done.

He deploys a carthorse as a wide attacker on the left, happily plays most games without a focal point in the box, persists with taking an eternity to get the ball forward, and now sticks it on the shoulders of an 18 year-old to dribble through the opposition as our main form of attack. Meanwhile, Bournemouth stuff us with the very tactics he despises.

If anyone has the temerity to question him when things inevitably go pear-shaped, he throws one of his hyper-sensitive "smartest guy in the room" retorts.

We won't find out how good our squad is until he's nowhere near it. 

Could’t agree more. 

[stknowle]

14 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

Petulant fuck

Cheers. Yeah he’s losing it. 

[Galway saint]

I wouldn’t get rid. I’d bring in an experienced coach to work alongside him and who has avoided the drop in the past. Thinking of Dave Basset, Jim Smith someone like that from the 90’s who can shout a lot 

[saint michael]

I think staying up was always going to be a long shot but for goodness sake organise the team, coach them to help them and put out a consistent group that stands a chance. At least give it a go and stop this stupid experiment when clearly not working or showing any signs of working or improvement. If you can’t do this go somewhere else mate and try it there. I’m sick of sitting through this complete shit show

[benali-shorts]

And also, we're going to lose most weeks, don't be a knob to the local Press when they try and do their job and ask you questions. 

[Edmonton Saint]

So far this season In 6 games and 2 carabao cup games we’ve used 32 different players, think he’s pulling names out of a a hat and hoping for miracles instead of trying to coach any type of cohesive unit right now.

[OttawaSaint]

Fire him into the sun!

[Midfield_General]

56 minutes ago, Galway saint said:

I wouldn’t get rid. I’d bring in an experienced coach to work alongside him and who has avoided the drop in the past. Thinking of Dave Basset, Jim Smith someone like that from the 90’s who can shout a lot 

I think Jim Smith is unlikely 

[bugenhagen]

17 minutes ago, Edmonton Saint said:

So far this season In 6 games and 2 carabao cup games we’ve used 32 different players, think he’s pulling names out of a a hat and hoping for miracles instead of trying to coach any type of cohesive unit right now.

This: Recepie for disaster!

[OttawaSaint]

1 hour ago, CanadaSaint said:

Good managing is largely down to three things - selection, tactics and man management. His starting line-up tonight was a Frankenstein-esque gong show, his tactics were even exploited in the EFL and everyone bar him knew they'd be suicidal up here, and two PL quality players (KWP and ABK) have been left out in the cold for unknown reasons - probably questioning him. That's 3 fails right there, but he's not done.

He deploys a carthorse as a wide attacker on the left, happily plays most games without a focal point in the box, persists with taking an eternity to get the ball forward, and now sticks it on the shoulders of an 18 year-old to dribble through the opposition as our main form of attack. Meanwhile, Bournemouth stuff us with the very tactics he despises.

If anyone has the temerity to question him when things inevitably go pear-shaped, he throws one of his hyper-sensitive "smartest guy in the room" retorts.

We won't find out how good our squad is until he's nowhere near it. 

Brilliant post! 👏 

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, CanadaSaint said:

Good managing is largely down to three things - selection, tactics and man management. His starting line-up tonight was a Frankenstein-esque gong show, his tactics were even exploited in the EFL and everyone bar him knew they'd be suicidal up here, and two PL quality players (KWP and ABK) have been left out in the cold for unknown reasons - probably questioning him. That's 3 fails right there, but he's not done.

He deploys a carthorse as a wide attacker on the left, happily plays most games without a focal point in the box, persists with taking an eternity to get the ball forward, and now sticks it on the shoulders of an 18 year-old to dribble through the opposition as our main form of attack. Meanwhile, Bournemouth stuff us with the very tactics he despises.

If anyone has the temerity to question him when things inevitably go pear-shaped, he throws one of his hyper-sensitive "smartest guy in the room" retorts.

We won't find out how good our squad is until he's nowhere near it. 

Good post, but the part highlighted is golden. If he hadn’t already lost the changing room, he has after tonight’s post-match comments. He’s become his own liability and he has to go before he does any more damage to the squad or himself for that matter.