Our "Wonderful" NHS

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

"Argue the facts" says a man who has just typed the words "Marxist Junior Doctors"

Absolute fucking moron.

Hilarious that John cites the IEA when their handpicked candidate for PM lasted what 49 days in global infamy and laughter.

And he’s getting so upset by all of the responses correcting all of his old shit 🥹🥲😂

[Gloucester Saint]

Classic GM tactics, get humiliated in one of the obnoxious threads he’s started and cut and paste in another of his threads an article out of context from the Telegraph, this time on the Huw Edwards thread.

The old loony loves the attention.

Edited 20 September, 2024 by Gloucester Saint

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

..........or you'll be quickly put on ignore and you wouldn't like that.

I don't know, I quite enjoy your having me on ignore, you stupid twat.

[Turkish]

People complain it’s under funded yet are paying these sort of salaries for these roles 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[Holmes_and_Watson]

19 minutes ago, Turkish said:

People complain it’s under funded yet are paying these sort of salaries for these roles 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Hurty feelings is healthcare too!

🙂

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

People complain it’s under funded yet are paying these sort of salaries for these roles 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

The NHS employs over one and a half million people, and you think cutting one post would make a difference.

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The NHS employs over one and a half million people, and you think cutting one post would make a difference.

this is just NHS North London, there must be similar roles in every NHS region. 
 

They could get 2.5 nurses for that. What positive impact is this role going to have on patient waiting lists? 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Turkish said:

this is just NHS North London, there must be similar roles in every NHS region. 
 

They could get 2.5 nurses for that. What positive impact is this role going to have on patient waiting lists? 

There are about 800 diversity officer type roles with NHS England, costing around £40m a year.

but yeah, needs more money 

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

There are about 800 diversity officer type roles with NHS England, costing around £40m a year.

but yeah, needs more money 

what do you think, about the cost of 1000 Nurses?

Let’s apply it’s the gravy train to be on

Edited January 11 by Turkish

[S-Clarke]

26 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The NHS employs over one and a half million people, and you think cutting one post would make a difference.

 

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

People complain it’s under funded yet are paying these sort of salaries for these roles 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

These sorts of roles aren't limited to a single NHS Trust either. Every trust is littered with roles like this and in some cases even entire teams dedicated to it.

We have over 300 individual NHS organisations across the country, all employing their own boards of directors and fluffy roles like this. I see it every single day and even though I work in the NHS, I'll never agree that it's underfunded. 

It's financially mismanaged, absolutley, but the money is there - there's just no control to how it's spent. The fear organisations have by not spending all their money, and in turn potentially getting less from the DoH in the next year is fuelling overspending and waste.

Edited January 11 by S-Clarke

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

 

These sorts of roles aren't limited to a single NHS Trust either. Every trust is littered with roles like this and in some cases even entire teams dedicated to it.

We have over 300 individual NHS organisations across the country, all employing their own boards of directors and fluffy roles like this. I see it every single day and even though I work in the NHS, I'll never agree that it's underfunded. 

It's financially mismanaged, absolutley, but the money is there - there's just no control to how it's spent. The fear organisations have by not spending all their money, and in turn potentially getting less from the DoH in the next year is fuelling overspending and waste.

Yep I have a friend who is very high up in a trust and says the same thing, criminal misuse of money with these sort of roles being common place. 
I get the spending as it’s the same with many public sector entities, spend it or lose it and don’t get it again next year. My company has a number of contracts with the NHS and it benefits us however also as a tax payer it’s not good to see when you see th state it’s in and money being wasted every March in a rush to spend it. 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Yep I have a friend who is very high up in a trust and says the same thing,......

Careful, SOGgy seems to be rubbing off on you.

Edited January 11 by badgerx16

[Gloucester Saint]

Having never worked for the NHS I may have this wrong but if you’re needing to have multiple posts at that levels managing whole teams at the scale of the NHS, doesn’t that indicate that the right/best leaders especially for Trusts in the most diverse and deprived areas aren’t being recruited and selected.

Not just the money either, if you’re having to create workarounds some potentially bad leaders to embed ED&I into health prevention and care delivery that must create a fair bit of extra work?

I wouldn’t want to see politicians interfering in appointments, we’ve seen what happens then and it’s a disaster, but what about patient groups and community groups having some say in leadership recruitment?

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

There are about 800 diversity officer type roles with NHS England,

1 in every 1875 posts.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Hey, stick this on ghe MOD thread, instead of posting your daft digs here.

it was not me who kicked off this point, I’m sure your sly digs at them will be on display any moment.

 

Kraken is right though even if don’t agree with the tone of his post, Armed Forces have plenty of ED&I posts which given some of the racist abuse cases they’ve tried to cover up isn’t a surprise. 

[AlexLaw76]

33 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Kraken is right though even if don’t agree with the tone of his post, Armed Forces have plenty of ED&I posts which given some of the racist abuse cases they’ve tried to cover up isn’t a surprise. 

Great

[sadoldgit]

11 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Careful, SOGgy seems to be rubbing off on you.

I certainly wouldn’t consider rubbing myself off on that individual. I have standards you know!

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I certainly wouldn’t consider rubbing myself off on that individual. I have standards you know!

Spoken with the true narcissistic superiority complex that permeates through every fibre of your being 

[Colinjb]

13 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

It's financially mismanaged, absolutley, but the money is there - there's just no control to how it's spent. The fear organisations have by not spending all their money, and in turn potentially getting less from the DoH in the next year is fuelling overspending and waste.

Think i've shared this story before, but i'll share again.

In my previous career I visited an NHS Hospital where they needed ideas to protect batteries from burning out due to wheelchair users incontinence. Their urine would short the terminals.

I recommended a very simple fix, a waterproof aerosol spray that would cost pennies per wheelchair. I projected it would save them at least £12,000 per year. 

They declined the fix, on the basis that they would lose the saved money from their departmental budget for the next year.

Just pathetic. 

Edited January 12 by Colinjb

[badgerx16]

47 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

Think i've shared this story before, but i'll share again.

In my previous career I visited an NHS Hospital where they needed ideas to protect batteries from burning out due to wheelchair users incontinence. Their urine would short the terminals.

I recommended a very simple fix, a waterproof aerosol spray that would cost pennies per wheelchair. I projected it would save them at least £12,000 per year. 

They declined the fix, on the basis that they would lose the saved money from their departmental budget for the next year.

Just pathetic. 

Public sector accounting, unspent money in this year's budget was obviously not needed. Suffered it for decades.

[Lord Duckhunter]

45 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

Think i've shared this story before, but i'll share again.

In my previous career I visited an NHS Hospital where they needed ideas to protect batteries from burning out due to wheelchair users incontinence. Their urine would short the terminals.

I recommended a very simple fix, a waterproof aerosol spray that would cost pennies per wheelchair. I projected it would save them at least £12,000 per year. 

They declined the fix, on the basis that they would lose the saved money from their departmental budget for the next year.

Just pathetic. 

I heard similar from a senior midwife.

After a caesarean birds can only go home after they’ve pissed a certain amount. If they haven’t done so after a few hours they are sent home with a catheter, not great for the bird and also needs taking out the following week. Some of the older midwives said that a remedy was blackcurrant squash which apparently makes you piss. Instead of giving them water to try and make them piss, they started giving them blackcurrant squash. The result was loads more women passed the required amount, and went home without the dreaded catheter. A few quid on blackcurrant squash saved dignity and a lot of dosh. After a few months one of the managers complained about the amount being spent on the squash and asked why so much was being purchased. When the situation was explained their answer was they had to stop buying it, when the midwives said this would ultimately cost the NSH more money, the reply was they didn’t care as that wasn’t one of their controllables and came from a different budget. 

[trousers]

1 hour ago, Colinjb said:

Think i've shared this story before, but i'll share again.

In my previous career I visited an NHS Hospital where they needed ideas to protect batteries from burning out due to wheelchair users incontinence. Their urine would short the terminals.

I recommended a very simple fix, a waterproof aerosol spray that would cost pennies per wheelchair. I projected it would save them at least £12,000 per year. 

They declined the fix, on the basis that they would lose the saved money from their departmental budget for the next year.

Just pathetic. 

 

11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I heard similar from a senior midwife.

After a caesarean birds can only go home after they’ve pissed a certain amount. If they haven’t done so after a few hours they are sent home with a catheter, not great for the bird and also needs taking out the following week. Some of the older midwives said that a remedy was blackcurrant squash which apparently makes you piss. Instead of giving them water to try and make them piss, they started giving them blackcurrant squash. The result was loads more women passed the required amount, and went home without the dreaded catheter. A few quid on blackcurrant squash saved dignity and a lot of dosh. After a few months one of the managers complained about the amount being spent on the squash and asked why so much was being purchased. When the situation was explained their answer was they had to stop buying it, when the midwives said this would ultimately cost the NSH more money, the reply was they didn’t care as that wasn’t one of their controllables and came from a different budget. 

Yep, hear this sort of thing all the time from my relative that works in the NHS. It seems almost all 'middle-managers' have a "play the system" mentality, rather than wanting to do what's best for the patient and/or taxpayer as their primary focus.

And it's never going to change as politicians have a similar level of vested interest, so it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Edited January 12 by trousers

[whelk]

58 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I heard similar from a senior midwife.

After a caesarean birds can only go home after they’ve pissed a certain amount. If they haven’t done so after a few hours they are sent home with a catheter, not great for the bird and also needs taking out the following week. Some of the older midwives said that a remedy was blackcurrant squash which apparently makes you piss. Instead of giving them water to try and make them piss, they started giving them blackcurrant squash. The result was loads more women passed the required amount, and went home without the dreaded catheter. A few quid on blackcurrant squash saved dignity and a lot of dosh. After a few months one of the managers complained about the amount being spent on the squash and asked why so much was being purchased. When the situation was explained their answer was they had to stop buying it, when the midwives said this would ultimately cost the NSH more money, the reply was they didn’t care as that wasn’t one of their controllables and came from a different budget. 

Yeah right SOG, that really happened

[S-Clarke]

2 hours ago, Colinjb said:

Think i've shared this story before, but i'll share again.

In my previous career I visited an NHS Hospital where they needed ideas to protect batteries from burning out due to wheelchair users incontinence. Their urine would short the terminals.

I recommended a very simple fix, a waterproof aerosol spray that would cost pennies per wheelchair. I projected it would save them at least £12,000 per year. 

They declined the fix, on the basis that they would lose the saved money from their departmental budget for the next year.

Just pathetic. 

Yep, I can totally believe that! Like others have said, it's a public sector thing, but I do still believe the management in the NHS play the system to the extreme to try and manipulate things. Although the councils probably do as much as well, but I only really have experience of seeing it in the NHS system.

There are many things I've witnessed in the past re: saving money, like for example a system being improved for free (with may require some overtime) by utilising the inhouse internal knowledge/skills, but that was vetoed and external consultants and companies were brought in for 3 figures to do the same thing - which the internal staff, who'd have done it 'for free', then have to unpick in their own time. None of it makes any sense.

I don't pay much attention to the hospital critical incidents either, this is another game being played by upper management. As soon as they declare a critical incident, NHSE/DOH release extra support and funding. There is an understanding that money is directed from other departments straight into A&E, but this doesn't tell the whole story.

Edited January 12 by S-Clarke